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JetJock22
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Ground Stop Question

Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:35 am

Hey guys, I am sitting here at work checking out the ATCSCC OIS and PHL is currently ground stopped due to a ship in the harbor. Below is the ATCSCC advisory message:

CTL ELEMENT: PHL
ELEMENT TYPE: APT
ADL TIME: 2216Z
GROUND STOP PERIOD: 09/2220Z - 09/2320Z
DEP FACILITIES INCLUDED: (MANUAL) ZOB ZBW ZNY ZDC CYHZ CYOW CYUL
CYYZ
PREVIOUS TOTAL, MAXIMUM, AVERAGE DELAYS: 0/0/0.0
NEW TOTAL, MAXIMUM, AVERAGE DELAYS: 786/61/35.7
PROBABILITY OF EXTENSION: MEDIUM
IMPACTING CONDITION: OTHER / OTHER
COMMENTS: SHIP IN HARBOR

Anyone have any idea what thats about? Is it a VIP or something?
 
OPNLguy
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RE: Ground Stop Question

Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:40 am

PHL is adjacent to the Delaware River, and when ships pass by, they become an obstacle to flights landing on runway 35, or departing on 17. The runway is unusable until the ship is out of the way, and that loss of runway usage cause traffic to back-up, so they issue a groundtop if a ship happens by during a high-traffic period at the airport.

Normal AAR is 50+, and loss of 17/35 drops them to 36..

http://www.fly.faa.gov/Information/east/zny/phl/phl_aar.htm

[Edited 2007-09-10 00:43:40]
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DeltaAVL
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RE: Ground Stop Question

Mon Sep 10, 2007 7:55 am

If that's the case, wouldn't it be smart to route ships another way?
 
EMBQA
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RE: Ground Stop Question

Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:04 am

Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 2):
If that's the case, wouldn't it be smart to route ships another way?

What other way........??? There is no other way........It's a river...!!

[Edited 2007-09-10 01:06:40]
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DeltaAVL
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RE: Ground Stop Question

Mon Sep 10, 2007 8:56 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 3):
What other way........??? There is no other way........It's a river...!!

Okay. Didn't know the bit about the river.

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