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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:10 pm

Read in the New York John Fitzgerald Kennedy Wikipedia web site that Air Algerie is scheduled to start operations from ALG to JFK in December 2007.

Unable to find the timetable.

Has anyone heard something?

Regards,

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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:34 pm

Quoting Jambo (Reply 6):
They recently announced on the papers vacancies for 10 captains and 10 F/O for Dash 8 Q-300 and Q-400.

Plus the rumored A320's they are planning to lease soon, possible delivery 2008.

http://bp3.blogger.com/_Souln7A6cDQ/RwDnLMIx4uI/AAAAAAAAB5Y/DYa2AQ3nQ6I/s1600/Air%2BTanzania.jpg

and the Giraffe is back !!!!!!!!

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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Sat Oct 06, 2007 12:31 pm

Another new carrier for Cameroon: http://www.elysianairlines.com

Elysian Airlines is a Douala based national airline operating passenger services initially within Cameroon to the following destinations: Yaounde, Garoua and Ngaoundere.

For the domestic routes, operations will be started with an Embraer 120 RT, 30seater aircraft acquired from South Africa. Additional aircraft have already been identified and will be added as the operations grows.

 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:03 pm

I got a question about aviation in Southern Africa.
Does South Africa have bilaterals with its "neighbouring" countries (Nambia, Botswana, Moçambique, Zimbabwe even Madagascar, Mauritius and Angola) or it's open skies with them?
I see LCC players now in South Africa like Mango and Kulula, but notice that other than Kulula flying JNB-MRU, none of them have ventured into WDH, MPM, HRE, LAD...
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 09, 2007 1:50 pm

Hi 2travel2know- the KULULA flight is actually the BA COMAIR JNB MRU scheduled flight
No lowcost from South Africa fly scheduled out of South Africa

Cheers!
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:30 pm

Quoting Lxlgu (Reply 54):
No lowcost from South Africa fly scheduled out of South Africa

I noticed the same thing. Is there any reason for that? You can fly on all inner South African routes for a seriously "lekker" fare, but even Joburg - Windhoek in expensive as hell. Do 1time / Kulula / Mango have a reason for not flying to, let's say, Gaborone, Maputo, Beira or Windhoek?

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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:03 pm

I'm sure if they could they would, but probably the airlines in Namibia, Botswana, etc. are terrified of being over-run by LCCs and hence limit capacity.
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:20 pm

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 38):
Heard that all flights of Bravo Air Congo are banned in Europe. This airline has McDonnell Douglas DC-9 aircrafts and a Boeing 767-200 that, I think, is actually flying from PAR to FIH (if I'm not wrong)

Does not matter, Bravo Congo still has no approval for FIH-Europe. The 767 never flew to or from FIH.
By the way, only one of their DC-9-34s was still operative (that's 4 weeks ago)
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting AF022 (Reply 56):
I'm sure if they could they would, but probably the airlines in Namibia, Botswana, etc. are terrified of being over-run by LCCs and hence limit capacity.

I wouldn't make that assumption when it comes to these routes: JNB/DUR-MRU and JNB-RUN (if there was any demand for this one).
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:39 am

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 53):
I got a question about aviation in Southern Africa.
Does South Africa have bilaterals with its "neighbouring" countries (Nambia, Botswana, Moçambique, Zimbabwe even Madagascar, Mauritius and Angola) or it's open skies with them?
I see LCC players now in South Africa like Mango and Kulula, but notice that other than Kulula flying JNB-MRU, none of them have ventured into WDH, MPM, HRE, LAD...

On theory all countries in Africa have agreed to implement a continent-wide open skies agreement back in 1998 (?) called the Yamoussoukro agreement. Unfortunately only a few countries actually ratified the agreement and even then many countries didn't bother to adhere to the agreement (Nigeria comes to mind, who are notoriously difficult not only to European carriers but as well to fellow African airlines).

The reasons are mentioned above, many countries need to make strategic choices between lowering transport costs and protecting their own infant airline industries. From an economic perspective very little is known on the exact economic benefits of either one of the strategies in the African context.
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:26 pm

- Air Malawi is sold to Comair (SA)
- Air Botswana is not being sold to South African Airlink
- New airline to be established in Angola, called Fly540 Angola

Source: http://www.african-aviation.com/
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:32 pm

The other Congo (Brazzaville) has prohibited passenger flights by Antonov aircraft starting October 9:

http://www.jeuneafrique.com/jeune_af...e.asp?art_cle=AFP90457leconsregas0
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:37 pm

Has anyone heard something about a Somalian airline called Jubba Airways?

Far as I know, operates Yakovlev Yak-42 from Hargheisa and Mogadishu to Dubai.

Any notice about them will be appreciated.

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Gerard
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Thu Oct 11, 2007 1:49 pm

Great news guys!

TAAG to Beijing and back to the EU with it's own metal!

China route
Back to EU
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:06 am


  • TAAG to ADD

    Quote:
    DT560 LAD - ADD: 1330 - 2000
    DT561 ADD - LAD: 1000 - 1230

  • Air Mauritanie has ceased to exist after it couldn't pay $2.7mil to the ILFC, A new airline, called Mauritanie Airways has been formed and will commence flights Nov.8; it will be 10% state-owned, the rest owned by TunisAir and a private entity.
  • Air Zim has boosted LGW to 5x weekly.
  • Air Namibia has dropped x1 weekly frequency on the WDH-LGW route, so now it's 2x weekly.
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 16, 2007 12:43 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 64):
Air Namibia has dropped x1 weekly frequency on the WDH-LGW route, so now it's 2x weekly.

Yeah this will go into effect January 18. Flights will now leave WDH Tuesdays and Thursday, and return Wednesdays and Fridays. They will use this extra availability of their MD11 to boost WDH-FRA to 5x weekly.
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 64):
TAAG to ADD

Why on earth are they doing this? If they don't codeshare with ET this route will fail. What is behind it all?
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:09 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 66):
Why on earth are they doing this? If they don't codeshare with ET this route will fail. What is behind it all?

While I agree a codeshare with ET would be beneficial, I don't necesarilly think they will absolutely fail, as you seem to know in advance somehow.
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting AF022 (Reply 66):
Why on earth are they doing this? If they don't codeshare with ET this route will fail. What is behind it all?

Look here...

TAAG is using ADD as a stop on it's new PEK route and will offer connectivity to passengers via ET.

Also, ET is increasing ADD-LAD to 4x weekly this month. Weird? Yes  Smile
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:18 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 61):

Does Congo (Brazzaville) even have a national carrier?


Whats up with Interair (SA) ?
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:42 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 67):
While I agree a codeshare with ET would be beneficial, I don't necesarilly think they will absolutely fail, as you seem to know in advance somehow.

The ADD market is not very big, but ET does well because of connecting traffic. ET probably packs their planes with LAD traffic going to Asia and maybe even Europe. But DT cannot tap into that traffic without a codeshare, so all that is left is local traffic. The only thing I know in advance is that there is not enough local traffic between Ethiopia and Angola to support such a flight without connections. Bien sur, that hasn't stopped other airlines from starting flights. I'm thinking of UM's HRE-PEK flight. I'm sure the legroom is great.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 68):
TAAG is using ADD as a stop on it's new PEK route and will offer connectivity to passengers via ET.

Also, ET is increasing ADD-LAD to 4x weekly this month. Weird? Yes

TAAG is using ADD as its intermediate point to PEK? Why? ADD has absurdly high altitude and another stop would probably have to be scheduled between ADD and PEK. DT would be far better off with DXB or something, no?
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:20 pm

what is happening with the renovation of Nairobi JKIA? The terminal irs an utter disaster, and can't possibly sustain KQ's growth
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Tue Oct 16, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting EKfan (Reply 71):
what is happening with the renovation of Nairobi JKIA? The terminal irs an utter disaster, and can't possibly sustain KQ's growth

Don't know if the actual renovation started yet (it's been some years since I was in NBO) but the drawings look great:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=302266
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:46 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 68):
TAAG is using ADD as a stop on it's new PEK route and will offer connectivity to passengers via ET.

Africanflyer.com states that it will be a 73G operating to ADD and back. Not continuing to PEK. One of the articles listed aboce also mentions some kind of a deal with ET so DT can feed passengers to ET to asia and the middle east. If you look at the schedule it
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:17 am

** Bravo Air Congo is history now ** :

Bravo's 762 is operating for Gabon Airlines on the LBV-CDG-LBV run.

Bravo Air Congo is burning its cash rapidly. It won't survive long.


** CargoB the new cargo Belgian company ** :

CargoB has begun opeartions. Their first 742 Cargo (ex-AF) is flying from BRU to LBV, JNB, NBO and TIP.



Cheers,

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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting Dkny (Reply 73):
Africanflyer.com states that it will be a 73G operating to ADD and back. Not continuing to PEK. One of the articles listed aboce also mentions some kind of a deal with ET so DT can feed passengers to ET to asia and the middle east. If you look at the schedule it

Yeah, but look here:
Taag To Start PEK OCT2307 (?) (by MD90fan Oct 10 2007 in Civil Aviation)

It says TAAG will use ADD also as a stop for it's new long haul service to Beijing.
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:15 pm

Quoting KL577 (Reply 72):
Quoting EKfan (Reply 71):
what is happening with the renovation of Nairobi JKIA? The terminal irs an utter disaster, and can't possibly sustain KQ's growth

Don't know if the actual renovation started yet (it's been some years since I was in NBO) but the drawings look great:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...02266

It definitely hasn't started as I fly in and out almost every month and the whole airport is just awful. The business class lounge is decent but TINY and always packed. I hope the project hasn't faltered...
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:57 pm

Quoting AlexEU (Reply 69):
Does Congo (Brazzaville) even have a national carrier?

I guess Trans Air Congo is still around. They even have a website:

http://www.transaircongo.org/
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:41 pm

Hi,

Any news on Royal Air Maroc or Air Algerie joining an alliance ?


Is a CMN-JNB or CMN-LOS route Feasable ?


Also when RAM recieves it new 787's will the 763's be returned to lessors or will the 787's be deployed to north america and the 763's on new long haul routes ?


Thanks.
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:59 pm

Hi,

Quoting RoyalAirMaroc (Reply 78):
Any news on Royal Air Maroc or Air Algerie joining an alliance ?

There have been some serious rumours of AH joining SkyTeam. As of now they're just rumours and we'll have to wait and see.

In other news, AH are seriously looking at starting services to PEK and JFK.

Cheers,
Imad
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:17 pm

Quoting AH332 (Reply 79):
There have been some serious rumours of AH joining SkyTeam. As of now they're just rumours and we'll have to wait and see.

But if the rumor does prove to be true will they join as Skyteam or Skyteam "associates" like Kenya Airways (KQ)?

Thanks
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:01 am

Hi,

Quoting RoyalAirMaroc (Reply 80):
But if the rumor does prove to be true will they join as Skyteam or Skyteam "associates" like Kenya Airways (KQ)?

I don't really know. I was always under the impression that they'd be entered as associate members under the sponsorship of Air France. Unless AH does some serious improvement, I doubt they fit the bill of a full member of SkyTeam.

BTW: How are RAM's African routes doing?

Cheers,
Imad
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:19 pm

Quoting AH332 (Reply 81):
BTW: How are RAM's African routes doing?

It seems most of the routes have managed to be profitable, especially the CMN-ACC route. This route has been at around 80-90% capacity all summer. This is due to the flights leaving CMN within reasonable time of the LHR-CMN, AMS-CMN, ORY-CMN and CDG-CMN flights. The prices for these flights are reasonably cheaper than the direct KL, BA and AF alternatives.

Most flights arriving from Europe have a reasonable amount of time to allow for a connection to most west/cental African routes.

[Edited 2007-10-18 05:24:10]
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:47 pm

According to an italian aviation forum Eritrean Airlines (B8) will discontinue its route Asmara-Milan eff. 30 Oct.
B8 will keep flying to Frankfurt and Rome only in Europe.
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:53 pm

Afriqiyah Airways has added Dakar.

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 83):
According to an italian aviation forum Eritrean Airlines (B8) will discontinue its route Asmara-Milan eff. 30 Oct.
B8 will keep flying to Frankfurt and Rome only in Europe.

I wonder if it has anything to do with them replacing their leased 757 with an MD-80?

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/photos/01tc-akn.jpg
http://www.devanwells.blogspot.com/
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 84):
I wonder if it has anything to do with them replacing their leased 757 with an MD-80

Does Eritrean still have the 762 if they do where does it fly?
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:22 am

Hi!

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 38):
Heard that all flights of Bravo Air Congo are banned in Europe. This airline has McDonnell Douglas DC-9 aircrafts and a Boeing 767-200 that, I think, is actually flying from PAR to FIH (if I'm not wrong)...

Bravo Air Congo have a good number of DC-9-30's flying out of FIH, I noticed maybe half a dozen of them. The interesting fact is that I meet one Bravo Air Congo pilot flying from CDG to FIH with AF, it was a spanish nice fellow that was an Air Europa pilot...that makes me think that Air Europa have a certain type of protocol ( or even a part...) with the RDC airline. When I returned from FIH 1 week latter he was there again....1 week flying the skies of Congo and then return to the motherland!!!
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:04 pm

Quoting Dkny (Reply 85):
Does Eritrean still have the 762 if they do where does it fly?

Yes, they have 1x ex. QF 762 (E3-AAQ), it flies to many of the destinations in it's network.

BTW, seeing your Ethiopian, this may be of interest Big grin


  • RAM is increasing CMN-YUL from 4x to 6x weekly for the winter

    Quote:
    AT206 CMN1450 - 1745YUL x3 763
    AT207 YUL1915 - 0705+1CMN x3 763

  • Air Malta will resume it's weekly service to Cairo from 30NOV07.

    Quote:
    KM1969 MLA0100 - 0300CAI 733 5
http://www.devanwells.blogspot.com/
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:44 pm

It was interesting indeed. thanks
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:02 pm

Brazilian BRA is to operate a weekly REC-DKR flight aiming to increase frequency to twice weekly.
There is a potential market between Western Africa and North East Brazil.
So far only TACV and soon BRA are taking advantage of it.
Wonder why G3 doesn't try SID/RAI, BJL, DKR or OXB from either REC or FOR.
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:19 pm

Quoting RoyalAirMaroc (Reply 82):
Quoting AH332 (Reply 81):
BTW: How are RAM's African routes doing?


Daily CMN-BKO is around 85%. Seems they are doing pretty well.
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:38 pm

Quoting 787KQ (Reply 36):
Quoting AF022 (Reply 33):
KQ's advantage is that they serve a lot of underserved African markets. Although its hub wouldn't work for its West African destinations, it would work well for East and Southern African destinations. KQ's has had a desire to serve the US given its market both as noted above, and the Kenyan market, which is larger than most imagine. Not having a nonstop just means that most find alternatives, such as South African through Johannesburg or the European airlines through their hubs. KQ benefits little, especially since there would be little connecting traffic wanting to go two-stops to get to the US.

The chance for a route is somewhat diminished with Delta on the route, but still good. The economy is strong, the business capital of the region, it has and has the largest amount of students from any African country in the US (including Nigeria and South Africa), it has a large tourism sector, and, if it has a good route, has great connections to the rest of East and Southern Africa.

Under SkyTeam I think KQ will try to streamline with DL rather than compete on the new NBO-JFK route. In West Africa they already downgraded DKR-BKO-NBO to a 3-weekly (from 4). They often ran into payload issues when that sector was flown on 738s (737-700 were better adapted range-wise, but also had their payload issues). KQ has a great potential to leverage DL's new flights with regional feeder networks. I'd be interested to see them develop a small hub in West Africa for that purpose. DKR, although not central in the region, could be a candidate. ACC, somehow better positioned, another one. I always thought both KQ and ET should try and position themselves faster in West Africa to capture more potential growth there, especially KQ since they are already well integrated inside a global alliance. ET had some plans for a mini-hub in Lome, Togo (a weird choice IMHO)... what happened to these? Also, I always wondered about the likelihood of ET joining a global alliance. Anything cooking? If not, why?
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:02 pm

What is going on at HRE? I have heard that ET suspended operations there, but

Quoting Negekono (Reply 91):
Also, I always wondered about the likelihood of ET joining a global alliance. Anything cooking? If not, why?

I am baffled, honestly, that ET isn't joining Star before MS. ET has such an expansive network in Africa, and there are already strong links with Germany (both LH and ET service FRA-ADD, and LH has no other options in East Africa). Why isn't ET being pursued by Star?
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:30 pm

Quoting Negekono (Reply 91):
I'd be interested to see them develop a small hub in West Africa for that purpose. DKR, although not central in the region, could be a candidate. ACC, somehow better positioned, another one. I always thought both KQ and ET should try and position themselves faster in West Africa to capture more potential growth there, especially KQ since they are already well integrated inside a global alliance

They basically already have a small hub in ACC with 7x NBO, 4x ROB and 3x FNA. Rather disappointingly the ROB and FNA flights very poorly connect to longhaul flights from other skyteam partners (KL, AZ and DL). I noticed this last week when I was booking a flight for my father from AMS to FNA. In the end we booked a flight for him on Brussels Airlines to FNA direct, since a KL-KQ combi would mean spending the night in ACC twice.

Quoting Negekono (Reply 91):
ET had some plans for a mini-hub in Lome, Togo (a weird choice IMHO)... what happened to these?

I believe they announced the plans of operating two or three aircraft from this hub in the near future. I suspect there are some financial incentives from the Togolese government for this operation, in addition to quite a modern airport.
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:32 pm

Quoting Jambo (Reply 6):
Air Tanzania seems to be getting Dash 8 Aircrafts for their routes..
They recently announced on the papers vacancies for 10 captains and 10 F/O for Dash 8 Q-300 and Q-400.

What is going on with Air Tanzania? Are they looking for new investors? There has got to be some untapped potential, no? What is their current fleet? Do they have 737s still? And what happens to these pilots if ATC becomes a Q300/Q400 operator only?
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:16 pm

Quoting AF022 (Reply 92):
I am baffled, honestly, that ET isn't joining Star before MS. ET has such an expansive network in Africa, and there are already strong links with Germany (both LH and ET service FRA-ADD, and LH has no other options in East Africa). Why isn't ET being pursued by Star?

You bet. I've always had exactly the same feeling. Like, that ET has long been missing an opportunity to capture larger markets. They have a reliable service overall, with in my opinion slightly better onboard service compared to KQ, but lose me as a potential customer more often now that I can accrue SkyTeam miles on KQ (which I have done systematically since 2004). I am probably not the profile of their typical customer, but nevertheless... KQ is attracting quite a load of foreign tourists and business people on their flights. Maybe Dkny can enlighten us.

On a sidenote, AF022, your earlier predictions for SA's intended JNB-BKO were right. It never materialized. And a question: does TunisAir, who is backing the new Mauritanie Airways, have the capacity to flourish it into a competitor against Air Senegal Intl. (owned by RAM)? North Africans are decidedly keen on occupying the West African airspace, when appropriate through subsidiary 'national carriers' (Air Gabon Intl., etc...). RAM is yet another example of succesful African airline not integrated in a global alliance. Rumors were floating that they could join SkyTeam... Seems to make some sense...
 
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:17 am

Quoting Negekono (Reply 95):
RAM is yet another example of succesful African airline not integrated in a global alliance. Rumors were floating that they could join SkyTeam... Seems to make some sense...

At present there are no hopefull rumours as to AT joining an alliance...i think you are mistaken for AH, there have been many rumours about them joining Skyteam (Sponsored by AF)
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:05 am

Hi,

Just wondering.....why is AH leaving the AACO (Arab Air Carriers Organization) in December ? Could this be a sign of them Joining Skyteam?

[Edited 2007-10-20 04:10:53]

[Edited 2007-10-20 04:11:40]
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:36 pm

Hi,

Quoting RoyalAirMaroc (Reply 97):
Just wondering.....why is AH leaving the AACO (Arab Air Carriers Organization) in December ? Could this be a sign of them Joining Skyteam?

That's interesting! I had no idea they were leaving AACO. maybe this whole SkyTeam thing will pan out.

Also, interesting to point out that AH recently started a frequent flyer program called, Air Algerie Plus. Also, they started credit card payment on their website. I think these are steps taken to get integrated with SkyTeam.

Cheers,
Imad
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RE: African Aviation Thread Part 3

Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:56 pm

Quoting AH332 (Reply 98):
I had no idea they were leaving AACO

Here's the info..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Air_Carriers_Organization



Just wondering.....Imagine AT,AH & TU all code shared together, that would create a great network with AT serving N.America & Africa, AH serving Asia & Europe , TU serving Europe & Mediterranean. They should create an alliance.... NAAA (North African Airline Alliance)  Big grin


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But then again im just pondering...
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