kaitak744
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19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:04 am

So far, Singapore Airlines is the only airline to have 19" wide economy class seats, and it is only on the 777-300ER (and most probably the A380). With these wider seats, are the aisles uncomfortably narrower? Also, is the added width noticeable? I have never flown on SQ's 777-300ER, so I wouldn't know.

Also, which aircraft can take 19" wide economy seats in standard layout without having narrow aisles? I am surprised that other airlines have not done this on the 777.
 
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:31 am

On a 777, you can have 19" seats if you have 17" aisles. This is 9 abreast.

That aisle width is identical to the aisles on a 10 abreast 777 like EK.
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:43 am

Hey...the E170 runs a 18.25 at UA and US....not bad
 
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:01 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Also, which aircraft can take 19" wide economy seats in standard layout without having narrow aisles? I am surprised that other airlines have not done this on the 777.

The 787 can do it. 2-4-2 19.5" aisles.
 
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:17 am

Americans love wider seats. Its a great selling point and some American airline should go 19 inch in economy and advertise towards oversize passengers. If they offered all you can eat candy bars and Doritos they'd double their revenues.

Is their much of a weight penalty for wider seats? Only the flight attendants would mind narrower aisles, everyone else would gladly trade aisle space for hip space.
 
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:52 am

As long as you can cart a regular roller carry-on. With 10-abreast 777s, this becomes (in my experience on OS) mission impossible.

But I agree - I prefer more seat width than a wider aisle.

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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:21 am

wow I didnt know that SQ seats in B773ER is wider than other SQ aircrafts. I thought that they all look the same as B744's seats. Yeah, it's tricky about wide seat vs pitch...
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:44 am

Quoting NG1Fan (Reply 5):
As long as you can cart a regular roller carry-on.

Nobody should be rolling their carry on down the aisles. Carry them from the door. if you can't carry it from the door you shouldn't be carrying it on.
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:53 am

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 3):
The 787 can do it. 2-4-2 19.5" aisles

Yeah so can the A350, and with an even wider aisle....
The 777 could do a super doper spacious 2-4-2 with like 25" aisles.... I think it's called premium economy.
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:00 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Nobody should be rolling their carry on down the aisles. Carry them from the door. if you can't carry it from the door you shouldn't be carrying it on.

Why? There's a reason they're called 'roll-a-boards', cos you, y'know, roll them aboard! What's the problem with rolling it down the aisle to your seat?
 
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:06 pm

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 3):
The 787 can do it. 2-4-2 19.5" aisles.

Unless I'm on a ULH flight, I'd rather have the 9Y 17.2" airplane and the cheaper tickets it allows. If I want to splurge for luxury I'll buy a J ticket.

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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:24 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Nobody should be rolling their carry on down the aisles. Carry them from the door. if you can't carry it from the door you shouldn't be carrying it on.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I had started to believe I was the only person who was getting seriously annoyed by people who roll their carry ons down the aisles, hitting people's legs, getting them stuck, and delaying the whole boarding process...

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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:51 pm

Air Canada's website - under Fleet information - it states that the seat width on their 777 is 18.5 inches "armrest to armrest". I guess there are different ways to measure seat width, I'm not sure how Singapore Airlines measure theirs. I have read a number of trip reports about the AC 777, but the topic of seat width was never mentioned. I know that this is a full 1 inch wider than the 767, so it must make some difference in comfort. Sounds almost like the seat on Singapore Airlines, same configuration 3-3-3.
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:16 pm

SQ 777, 9 abreast economy is the best I've ever been on...by a long shot. It is a significantly more comfortable arrangement than EK's 10 abreast. SQ is comfortable enough that I never felt the pressing need to upgrade.
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:24 pm

Quoting AY104 (Reply 12):
Air Canada's website - under Fleet information - it states that the seat width on their 777 is 18.5 inches "armrest to armrest". I guess there are different ways to measure seat width

That's advertising for you. The width that really matters is seat cushion width - in other words, where the cheeks hits the seats. As in any industry, airlines will spin their ads to make themselves look like the best.
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:43 pm

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 9):
Why? There's a reason they're called 'roll-a-boards', cos you, y'know, roll them aboard! What's the problem with rolling it down the aisle to your seat?

And when they get to their seat they can't hardly lift them up to the overhead bin - and need of cause to place them over the head of someone else...


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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:10 am

Seatguru.com shows UA's 777 seats at 18.0 but it also shows the 767 seats at 18.0: They are wrong on one of these because when the 777 was launched by UA they hyped the fact that it had wider econ seats with the center seat even a bit wider than the others. Somebody get a tape measure and report back!

P.S. Seatguru only shows 1 of the 5 Singapore 777 configurations with 19 inch seats.
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:20 am

Surely wider aisles are safer during an evacuation. Presumably the evacuation trials are done with the minimum sized aisle?
 
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:50 am

Quoting FlyLKU (Reply 16):
They are wrong on one of these because when the 777 was launched by UA they hyped the fact that it had wider econ seats with the center seat even a bit wider than the others.

It doesn't... their econ seats are all the same on the 767 and 777, and they don't vary depending on where they are in the aircraft.

Stocking a slew of different sized seats makes no sense.

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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:19 am

You've been talking about Economy seat size, but if a BA Crew member can check to confirm or otherwise, I once measured the seat cushion of the existing BA Business (Club) Class 777 seat, and it was just 19½ inches.
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 3:55 am

Quoting Carduelis (Reply 19):
You've been talking about Economy seat size, but if a BA Crew member can check to confirm or otherwise, I once measured the seat cushion of the existing BA Business (Club) Class 777 seat, and it was just 19½ inches.

Not to mention Delta 763ER Business Elite 18.5" wide seats.

Personaly though I prefer leg room to width.
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:20 am

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 4):
Americans love wider seats. Its a great selling point and some American airline should go 19 inch in economy

Our bigger seats require bigger seats.

Quoting DLPhoenix (Reply 20):
Personaly though I prefer leg room

Ok, so the ideal airline is 19" seats and 36" pitch.
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:30 am

Quoting Abba (Reply 15):
And when they get to their seat they can't hardly lift them up to the overhead bin - and need of cause to place them over the head of someone else...

That was my point. If you can't carry it, you can't lift it. Thus it isn't "carry on" or "hand luggage" anymore, and should be checked.

My experience with those sized bags is they go down the aisle and slam into people's feet and chairs. It's annoying. I always carry mine until I reach the exit door or if there is no space or time to extend the handle, I pull aside on the jetway and do it, making sure to let people get around me.

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 9):
Why? There's a reason they're called 'roll-a-boards', cos you, y'know, roll them aboard! What's the problem with rolling it down the aisle to your seat?

Because they tend to injure people, take up more space in the queue, etc.

And they are called rollerboards, not "roll-a-board" cases, and the name doesn't mean "to roll the bag aboard an aircraft." They are called "rollerboard carry-on bags." So, do you just ignore the words "carry on" because you like the word roller?  Wink

"Rollaboard" is a TRADEMARK of TravelPro, a "cute" name that was a bastardization of the term. So we are now supposed to allow people to run over our feet because some company decided to trademark a made up word?
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 4):
Is their much of a weight penalty for wider seats? Only the flight attendants would mind narrower aisles, everyone else would gladly trade aisle space for hip space.

Also, now that the aisles are narrower, do they have to use new narrower beverage carts as well? Everytime I've been on an airplane, the beverage carts seem to be JUST the right size to fit down the aisle...
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:05 am

All commercial jets that are FAA approved must have aisles that are a minimum of 15 inches wide below 25 inches above the floor and 20 inches wide above 25 inches above the floor.

http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text...ode=14:1.0.1.3.11.4.178.64&idno=14


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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
And they are called rollerboards, not "roll-a-board" cases, and the name doesn't mean "to roll the bag aboard an aircraft." They are called "rollerboard carry-on bags." So, do you just ignore the words "carry on" because you like the word roller?  

"Rollaboard" is a TRADEMARK of TravelPro, a "cute" name that was a bastardization of the term. So we are now supposed to allow people to run over our feet because some company decided to trademark a made up word?

Thanks for the lesson.....  Yeah sure
 
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:29 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Also, which aircraft can take 19" wide economy seats in standard layout without having narrow aisles?

They're 21-inches wide on Midwest Airlines B717s
 
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting Tod (Reply 24):
All commercial jets that are FAA approved must have aisles that are a minimum of 15 inches wide below 25 inches above the floor and 20 inches wide above 25 inches above the floor.

I see. What is the minimum width clearance needed for the galley carts?

Also, what would be aisle width of the 747 with 18.5 inch seats? I think the widest on the 747 is Air France, with 18.0 inches.
 
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:48 am

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Singapore Airlines is the only airline to have 19" wide economy class seats, and it is only on the 777-300ER (and most probably the A380). With these wider seats, are the aisles uncomfortably narrower? Also, is the added width noticeable?

It's me again...i forgot to tell you about my experience on SQ77W. I flew on it from FRA to SIN. Yes, SQ economy class seats are 19" but the aisle doesn't look narrow...It is wide enough for the pax to walk pass the galley carts...so that the cabin crews didn't have to worry about looking for a space for the pax to go to the toilets or back to the seats. I'm totally sure the aisle is WIDE. Wide enough for the two people to pass each other without giving them a space. Like i said B77W is the most comfortable aircraft i've ever had and i was able to sleep peacefully.
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:42 am

i have never flown EK, so i dont know how it feels to sit in a 16 - 17' seat, but I think I would like to see airlines have 10 abreast in 777 but add more legroom.
The added seats should allow the airline to add about 3' per row in pitch.

So 16' wide seats but with 36' - 37' pitch.
 
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 29):
i have never flown EK, so i dont know how it feels to sit in a 16 - 17' seat, but I think I would like to see airlines have 10 abreast in 777 but add more legroom.
The added seats should allow the airline to add about 3' per row in pitch.

So 16' wide seats but with 36' - 37' pitch.

I disagree. With obesity becoming a serious problem in many countries, especially the USA and a few other countries, the average passenger today is significantly wider than they were 20 or 30 years ago, but not much taller.
 
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 30):
I disagree. With obesity becoming a serious problem in many countries, especially the USA and a few other countries, the average passenger today is significantly wider than they were 20 or 30 years ago, but not much taller.

why does the majority of us need to suffer because a few people could not shut their mouths?!?!?!

I think the bigger problem is that airlines will have problems keeping the pitch consistent throughout the other fleets. Since they cannot add another seat in the 767 (no way to have 8 seats across) they would loose alot of seats if they had 36/37 pitch in 767.
 
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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:50 am

Quoting Amirs (Reply 31):
Since they cannot add another seat in the 767 (no way to have 8 seats across)

Yes there is. A few charter carriers have operated 767s with 8-across (2-4-2) seating which is very tight. Not sure if any carriers currently use this configuration.

Here are two 8-across Britannia Airways 763s (one leased to Corsair at the time):


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RE: 19" Wide Seats In Economy

Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:07 pm

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 32):
Here are two 8-across Britannia Airways 763s (one leased to Corsair at the time):

Ughh - I was on a Thomson Fly 763 in the summer. They advertise a 33" pitch, "better than BA and VS" they boast.

It was one of the most uncomfortable flights Ive ever been on - anyone with wider than average shoulders is in for a world of trouble....not to mention the incredibly hard leather seat. And I only did 5 hrs!!

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