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DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:15 pm

I hope this hasn't been posted so far,otherwise I will asked for it to be deleted.

I was browsing through the system and noticed that some 767 routes are changed to 757 for the coming
summer schedule. I wonder if DL will change more 767 routes to 757 ie NYC-BRU/AMS/BCN/PAR etc
or are they using the remaining transatlantic 757 for new routes?

This is what I found so far:

DL 102 D JFK 3 SNN 1950 0735+1 0 29MAY08 --- 757 6:45
DL 123 D SNN JFK 3 0905 1110 0 30MAY08 --- 757 7:05

DL 096 D JFK 3 EDI 2005 0810+1 0 01MAY08 --- 752 7:05
DL 097 D EDI JFK 3 0940 1215 0 02MAY08 --- 752 7:35

DL 154 D JFK 3 MAN 2 2040 0855+1 0 01MAY08 --- 752 7:15
DL 155 D MAN 2 JFK 3 1100 1345 0 01MAY08 --- 752 7:45

DL 106 D JFK 3 FRA 2 1905 0935+1 0 29MAR08 --- 752 8:30
DL 107 D FRA 2 JFK 3 1205 1450 0 30MAR08 --- 752 8:45


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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:38 pm

You'll definitely see some new stations, and they may tinker with 767 replacement as well... such that those ships can then be deployed to routings where their capacity/range is a necessity at minimum.
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:25 pm

I would definitely expect AMS and BRU from JFK to become 757s as well, which would leave 4 757s for new routes, which IMHO will include LYS, LIS, ARN and CMN. Btw, what will the planes be doing at JFK? Downtimes between 6 and 9 hours should allow for a few short domestic hops, right (JFK-CVG,/ATL)?
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:36 pm

Quoting N383PA (Thread starter):
This is what I found so far:

DL 102 D JFK 3 SNN 1950 0735 1 0 29MAY08 --- 757 6:45
DL 123 D SNN JFK 3 0905 1110 0 30MAY08 --- 757 7:05

DL 096 D JFK 3 EDI 2005 0810 1 0 01MAY08 --- 752 7:05
DL 097 D EDI JFK 3 0940 1215 0 02MAY08 --- 752 7:35

DL 154 D JFK 3 MAN 2 2040 0855 1 0 01MAY08 --- 752 7:15
DL 155 D MAN 2 JFK 3 1100 1345 0 01MAY08 --- 752 7:45

DL 106 D JFK 3 FRA 2 1905 0935 1 0 29MAR08 --- 752 8:30
DL 107 D FRA 2 JFK 3 1205 1450 0 30MAR08 --- 752 8:45

JFK-SNN is already being operated by the 752.
JFK-MAN starts Jan 7, 2008
JFK-FRA starts March 1, 2008
JFK-EDI starts May 1, 2008

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
which would leave 4 757s for new routes,

There are supposedly more than 10 752s coming.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Tue Sep 18, 2007 8:40 pm

Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
which would leave 4 757s for new routes,

There are supposedly more than 10 752s coming.

The 3 Pegasus jets, right? But as long as they are not confirmed, I'll go with quantity I know about  Wink (and hope for the addition of HAM to DL's network by using one of the freed-up 763s from JFK for a new ATL route  Silly ).
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:11 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
Downtimes between 6 and 9 hours should allow for a few short domestic hops, right (JFK-CVG,/ATL)?

CVG only if they can remove about 150 seats, thin the fuselage down, move the engines to the tail and turn the tail into a T-tail (aka...RJ). Addtional 757s or anything larger than an RJ to CVG are forbidden! I bet they run them to Florida and back (JAX, MCO, TPA, PBI or FLL).
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
which IMHO will include LYS, LIS, ARN and CMN.

...buzz from the bees is that HEL is making some advances at DL to return, as well.
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Tue Sep 18, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
which IMHO will include LYS, LIS, ARN and CMN.

Sounds plausible, tho not all...?
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:09 pm

When is Delta going to announce the 2008 summer Europe/Africa new flights?
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:28 pm

does this mean that i won't be seeing N702TW in LAS anymore?
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:38 pm

Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 5):
CVG only if they can remove about 150 seats, thin the fuselage down, move the engines to the tail and turn the tail into a T-tail (aka...RJ). Addtional 757s or anything larger than an RJ to CVG are forbidden! I bet they run them to Florida and back (JAX, MCO, TPA, PBI or FLL).

 laughing  You had me laughing loudly over that one. Nice! As some people have already mentioned, JFK-BRU will quite likely go to 757's, maybe JFK-AMS. I'm surprised about JFK-FRA, given that this route connects two major finance centers. Of course, DL does have a lot of (superior) competition NYC-FRA from the likes of LH, SQ, and CO.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:16 am

Are the new tatl 757's going to be based only out of JFK? I'd love to see some more routes to Europe out of CVG!!
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting N383PA (Thread starter):
DL 106 D JFK 3 FRA 2 1905 0935+1 0 29MAR08 --- 752 8:30
DL 107 D FRA 2 JFK 3 1205 1450 0 30MAR08 --- 752 8:45

Is this an additonal service, or are they really pulling the 763 from this route?

As for the "what will the planes do all day?" bit - I think they will be doing what CO's 752's do - making runs to Florida, which is about the right length of time.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
JFK-SNN is already being operated by the 752.
JFK-MAN starts Jan 7, 2008
JFK-FRA starts March 1, 2008
JFK-EDI starts May 1, 2008

With DL sending 757s from JFK-MAN, what about the ATL-MAN route? Is that likely to remain a 764 service or will it also be downguaged (to a 763)?
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting TwoLz2Rn (Reply 11):
Are the new tatl 757's going to be based only out of JFK?

For now, yes.

Quoting TwoLz2Rn (Reply 11):
I'd love to see some more routes to Europe out of CVG!!

Not gonna happen, expansion to Europe will occur from ATL and JFK, plus the single SLC-CDG flight, plus possibly other US-CDG routes, one which CVG already has.

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 12):
Is this an additonal service, or are they really pulling the 763 from this route?

It is indeed replacing the 763.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 13):
With DL sending 757s from JFK-MAN, what about the ATL-MAN route? Is that likely to remain a 764 service or will it also be downguaged (to a 763)?

It is still scheduled as a 764. Things can already change, but if the flight indeed remains a 764 through the winter season, it should definitely remain a 764 during summer as well.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 10):
You had me laughing loudly over that one. Nice! As some people have already mentioned, JFK-BRU will quite likely go to 757's, maybe JFK-AMS. I'm surprised about JFK-FRA, given that this route connects two major finance centers. Of course, DL does have a lot of (superior) competition NYC-FRA from the likes of LH, SQ, and CO.

There is a persistent myth that airlines schedule aircraft types to certain markets based on "prestige". Nothing could be further from the truth.

Airlines look at market demand, then size the appropriate aircraft based on performance. DL has done their homework, and believe that the 757 will be appropriate to what they want to achieve here.

As to the "superior" service idea, superior should also mean having a nonstop available instead of a detour through yet another hub.
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:26 am

wh

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 14):
Not gonna happen, expansion to Europe will occur from ATL and JFK, plus the single SLC-CDG flight, plus possibly other US-CDG routes, one which CVG already has.

What about making some of the seasonal routes (like AMS) year round, but not necessarily daily...what about additional frequencies? Since AF doesn't fly to CVG any more could DL fill both a 763 and 757 from CVG-CDG in the summer?
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting Papatango (Reply 8):
When is Delta going to announce the 2008 summer Europe/Africa new flights?

Witihn the next few weeks. Last year's announcement about OTP, PSA, ICN, DXB was made in early October.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 13):
With DL sending 757s from JFK-MAN, what about the ATL-MAN route?

ATL-MAN for next summer so far looks like it will remain as a 764ER (with BusinessElite)

Quoting 747fan (Reply 10):
Of course, DL does have a lot of (superior) competition NYC-FRA from the likes of LH, SQ, and CO.

Superior (or perceived superior) service does not necessarily mean that carrier will win in that market...even SQ (which clearly is superior to LH service-wise) struggles against LH in the FRA-JFK market. And there is certainly an argument to be made as to whether LH Y is superior to DL Y across the pond (excepting the unlimited free alcohol aspect of course).
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:53 am

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 2):
I would definitely expect AMS and BRU from JFK to become 757s as well, which would leave 4 757s for new routes, which IMHO will include LYS, LIS, ARN and CMN. Btw, what will the planes be doing at JFK? Downtimes between 6 and 9 hours should allow for a few short domestic hops, right (JFK-CVG,/ATL)?

I'm certain that many of these routes as they evolve will involve a JFK-ATL leg to further enhance the feed. I would say it all depends on how much feed from ATL, DL feels is needed for these flights to succeed, along with what their available load of seats on that pair currently are.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 14):
plus the single SLC-CDG flight, plus possibly other US-CDG routes, one which CVG already has.

I understand PIT is still offering $$$ for a Europe flight as HP+US continues to contemplate further reductions there.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
There are supposedly more than 10 752s coming.

I've heard 13 in all + possibly 3 more. Question is, will we see 2-3 of these on SLC/LAX-Hawaii (outer islands) service in the not to distant future when ETOPs-180 certification can be achieved? As I recall, Gerry Grinstein pointed out that some could very well be used for this as well as JFK-Europe last year when they announced the acquisition deal.
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 4:59 am

So some rumors we have for new routes are:
CMN
LIS
LYS
ARN
HEL
ZAG
LED
WAW
NBO
CAI
CPT? is this one a rumor?
AMM

Which can we expect to see and which can we expect not to see? Am I missing any? Any particular destinations in South America I am missing? MVD?

My wishlist:
BEY
SOF
HKG
But the likelihood of any of these being announced in the next month?  thumbsdown 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:29 am

When was AMM mentioned? That's the only new one to that list of cities that Ive not heard rumors about.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:29 am

I am a little surprised that there is so little traffic between ATL and JFK. The last I saw, there are only 2 main line flights and one or two RJ's. I assume that the repositioning of aircraft is not as necessary anymore (besides the one 777).
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting TwoLz2Rn (Reply 16):
Since AF doesn't fly to CVG any more could DL fill both a 763 and 757 from CVG-CDG in the summer?

Despite the reduction of the AF flight into CVG and the reduction of DL capacity as a result of downgrading from a 777 to a B763, I doubt that a 757 from CVG to CDG is in the cards. First, the stage length will be seriously testing the legs of the 757. And second, since the wrong sizing of the CVG hub, most connecting traffic could easily be routed to either ATL or JFK. The O&D out of CVG would not warrant another flight.
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:35 am

DL really needs to gain greater frequency on their LGW-JFK service in order to gain the big corporate customers on such a route...

If they could not justify 3x 767-300's flying the route, how about a few 752's to increase the frequency while keepiing the capacity the same...

Also what kind of facilities will be on the 757's flying the route?
Will they have PTV's or facilities like the ex-Song Aircraft?
Will there also be Business class or will they all Economy?
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:42 am

Don't forget that SLC is also to be a base for these aircraft to relaunch services to Hawaii. It is rumored that after OGG returns as a 763, it will be eventually downgraded to a 752W, there is also rumor of SLC-KOA returning under the 752W and possible to services to Kauai and Hilo. All of which, if timed right, can be done with 2 aircraft. I don't expect to see JFK-BRU/AMS downgrade to a 752 (although JFK-FRA surprised me). In the computers, the new 757s run from ships 6801 to 6815, so supposedly, there are going to be 15 new 757s. The rest of which I can see:

JFK-HEL
JFK-ARN
JFK-KEF
JFK-HAM
JFK-BMH
JFK-Belfast
JFK-Bristol
JFK-CMN
JFK-WAW
JFK-LYS
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting Delta7004 (Reply 24):
The rest of which I can see:

JFK-KEF



I don't know about this one... Seems kind of like wishful thinking to me. There's not much of a market from the U.S. to Iceland, and Icelandair has that pretty well covered.. There's only 300,000 something people in the whole country of Iceland, and a large percentage of visitors to Iceland are in transit between North American and Europe, where they stop over in Iceland with Icelandair. Aside from the summer months, I imagine O&D traffic to KEF is relatively low.

[Edited 2007-09-18 23:45:07]

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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:06 am

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 25):


I don't know about this one... Seems kind of like wishful thinking to me. There's not much of a market from the U.S. to Iceland, and Icelandair has that pretty well covered.. There's only 300,000 something people in the whole country of Iceland, and a large percentage of visitors to Iceland are in transit between North American and Europe, where they stop over in Iceland with Icelandair. Aside from the summer months, I imagine O&D traffic to KEF is relatively low.

73G maybe.
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:22 am

JFK -AMS & JFK- BRU will be 757's next summer.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:50 am

Quoting PWM2TXLHopper (Reply 25):

I don't know about this one... Seems kind of like wishful thinking to me. There's not much of a market from the U.S. to Iceland, and Icelandair has that pretty well covered.. There's only 300,000 something people in the whole country of Iceland, and a large percentage of visitors to Iceland are in transit between North American and Europe, where they stop over in Iceland with Icelandair. Aside from the summer months, I imagine O&D traffic to KEF is relatively low.

Point taken, like Evan767 says, maybe, possibly with the 737-700s when they arrive (though, I heard they are to be mainly deployed to the Caribbean).

Quoting Papatango (Reply 27):
JFK -AMS & JFK- BRU will be 757's next summer.

If that will be the case, I can see the displaced 767s being used for JFK-NBO and JFK-LED.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:51 am

Its a shame NCL wont see one of these 757's to JFK....suppose the argument (wrongly) being that there's little premium traffic. Or perhaps this eats in to fellow SkyTeam members KLM and AF's feed into AMS and CDG respectively?

How are the 757's configured?
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:19 am

Quoting Delta7004 (Reply 28):
If that will be the case, I can see the displaced 767s being used for JFK-NBO and JFK-LED.

Could a 763 make it all the way from JFK-NBO?
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:06 am

Quoting Jimbo27L (Reply 29):
Its a shame NCL wont see one of these 757's to JFK....suppose the argument (wrongly) being that there's little premium traffic. Or perhaps this eats in to fellow SkyTeam members KLM and AF's feed into AMS and CDG respectively?

How are the 757's configured?

NCL, GLA, and ABZ are also possibilities in my opinion. Right now the 757s are configured with 22 First Class and close to 160 coach, beginning the winter, they will be refitted with 16 BusinessElite seats and near 160 slimline coach seats.

Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 30):
Could a 763 make it all the way from JFK-NBO?

They are going to fly them from JFK-TLV, I'd imagine it's not that far of a stretch.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:34 am

Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 30):

No it is almost 1700 miles further to NBO than TLV from JFK, would have to be a one stop flight.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:40 am

Quoting Delta7004 (Reply 24):
Don't forget that SLC is also to be a base for these aircraft to relaunch services to Hawaii. It is rumored that after OGG returns as a 763, it will be eventually downgraded to a 752W, there is also rumor of SLC-KOA returning under the 752W and possible to services to Kauai and Hilo.

I think you'll see SLC-OGG go to a daily 752, but I think when KOA comes back it will at the very least initially involve an SLC-LAX-KOA routing. But these aircraft must be put on JFK-Europe routes first to re-acheive their original ETOPs-180 certification they had under TWA. But you're correct that some will to SLC/LAX to Hawaii and not every one JFK to Europe as some like to think.
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:47 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 3):
There are supposedly more than 10 752s coming.

Your'e right - so far (unless there is another unannounced acquisition) there are 15 aircraft coming.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:26 am

Delta is currently (as stated above) sending 757-200s to SNN. N702TW and N703TW are the two ships currently operating the route until further airframes come online. While one ship does a SNN segment, the other does a few domestic legs and then vice versa. These flights are being operated with the ex-TWA 757s Delta acquired from AA (refered to as "ER" models within the airline and as "75A" in equipment scheduling). Frequencies - as well as destinations - will increase as these birds get brought up to DL standards and fitted with winglets. Another bird arrived in ATL within the last week.

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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 10:40 am

Quoting Papatango (Reply 32):
No it is almost 1700 miles further to NBO than TLV from JFK, would have to be a one stop flight.

OK, then possibly JFK-Cairo.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 33):
I think you'll see SLC-OGG go to a daily 752, but I think when KOA comes back it will at the very least initially involve an SLC-LAX-KOA routing. But these aircraft must be put on JFK-Europe routes first to re-acheive their original ETOPs-180 certification they had under TWA. But you're correct that some will to SLC/LAX to Hawaii and not every one JFK to Europe as some like to think.

I'd like to know how many ships they are going to dedicate to the west, because I could even see a few more ambitious runs to South America through SLC or LAX (along with Hawaii) if they dedicate enough aircraft to it. I've also heard rumors of the possibility of 767s beginning services from SLC to Samoa/Tonga (as the greater Salt Lake area has a large population of both nationalities), has anyone else heard these rumors?
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:26 am

There are NO current plans to send 757's to Hawaii. These aircraft are all going to be configured for international and will be flown in such markets. Only JFK is in the plans so far. Given the the stage lengths from other hubs, don't expect much flying from anywhere else.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:26 am

NBO would be one-stop.
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:44 am

Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 30):

Could a 763 make it all the way from JFK-NBO?

NBO is at 5000 feet of elevation, higher than JNB. Even if a plane could make it nonstop based on range, it couldn't come back on the same route without restrictions.

There are now 15 757s coming to DL.

DL will announce more new routes over the next few weeks than some airlines have for their entire international route systems, and far more than just about any other US carrier has ever announced for expansion in one year. Fasten your seatbelts.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:36 pm

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 37):
There are NO current plans to send 757's to Hawaii. These aircraft are all going to be configured for international and will be flown in such markets. Only JFK is in the plans so far. Given the the stage lengths from other hubs, don't expect much flying from anywhere else.

What is your source? Because mine is what Delta management sends down the pipe to the employees. I've heard constantly that Delta has decided the 6 hour flight to OGG is fit to merit a BusinessElite seat with a domestic service setting. SLC-OGG/Hawaii is just as long as JFK-Europe. 757s WILL be sent to Hawaii, it's just a matter of when.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 1:06 pm

I would think DL might use these 757s to either increase frequency or introduce new routes or even both. Also what about the building up of the LAX hub? There was all that talk about them maybe using 767s across the Pacific to open new routes or reopen old routes. (They have unused rights to Japan.)
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 2:12 pm

Quoting Delta7004 (Reply 40):

What is your source? Because mine is what Delta management sends down the pipe to the employees.

I said the there are no "current" plans. Rumors were floating around for a while regarding Hawaii, but no determination on final routes had been made at that time. My understanding is that as of now, there are no plans to use these aircraft for anything other than JFK international and some domestic flow routings.

Really, the international configuration of the aircraft is less than ideal for Hawaii flying. There just aren't that many seats and there is really no market to sell BusinessElite seats as such. The economics just aren't great...which is why you don't see a lot of internationally configured aircraft flying mainland-Hawaii routes. Stage length is irrelevant. People won't PAY $3K-$6K to fly to Hawaii like they will to Europe.

By the way, I'm not going to tell you my source, but you are welcome to search my past posts and make your own determination.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:37 pm

Quoting Jkj777 (Reply 21):
I am a little surprised that there is so little traffic between ATL and JFK. The last I saw, there are only 2 main line flights and one or two RJ's. I assume that the repositioning of aircraft is not as necessary anymore (besides the one 777).

Currently, there are 3 mainline JFK-ATL (1 777, 1 763ER, 1 738) and a few RJs (including a Shuttle America E170). Some of the 'repositioning' takes place at overseas stations which have multiple daily flights, e.g., FCO, CDG, LGW, and FRA.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 23):
Also what kind of facilities will be on the 757's flying the route?
Will they have PTV's or facilities like the ex-Song Aircraft?
Will there also be Business class or will they all Economy?

These 752s will have nose-to-tail AVOD PTVs, new slimline Economy seats, new Recaro lazy-boy-type Business seats. Configuration will be 16 Business and 158 Economy seats. On flights with crew rest, the number of seats for sale will likely be 15 Business and 155 Economy.
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:45 pm

JFK-FRA with a 757; just horrible!!!
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:24 pm

Quoting Nickofatlanta (Reply 30):
Could a 763 make it all the way from JFK-NBO?

No chance, though it is quite realistic that an NBO flight could be routed via DKR once ATL-JNB goes nonstop.

Quoting LY777 (Reply 44):
JFK-FRA with a 757; just horrible!!!



Quoting Panamair (Reply 43):
These 752s will have nose-to-tail AVOD PTVs, new slimline Economy seats, new Recaro lazy-boy-type Business seats. Configuration will be 16 Business and 158 Economy seats. On flights with crew rest, the number of seats for sale will likely be 15 Business and 155 Economy.

Yeah, a 757with full IFE and new seats instead of the IFE-less standard seats on a 763, the horror!
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Wed Sep 19, 2007 11:38 pm

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 39):

10 757 from IFLC 3 757 from Pegasus where are the other 2 757 coming from?
 
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Thu Sep 20, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting Delta7004 (Reply 36):
I'd like to know how many ships they are going to dedicate to the west, because I could even see a few more ambitious runs to South America through SLC or LAX (along with Hawaii) if they dedicate enough aircraft to it. I've also heard rumors of the possibility of 767s beginning services from SLC to Samoa/Tonga (as the greater Salt Lake area has a large population of both nationalities),

They would have to use a 763ER to do such a fantasy route from SLC-Samoa/Tonga, and I highly doubt you would see DL or any other carrier put such an aircraft on such a route, when there is much more money to be made on routes elsewhere, too numerous to mention. While SLC and the Wasatch Front has a very large native Pacific Island population, these people aren't the type who will be holding lots of $$$ for trips home to the mother-island. Pretty much any traffic there is going to be via HNL. Even LAX to this region is cost prohibitive despite even larger populations of island indigenous people in that greater area, even amongst those of the Latter-Day Saint faith which make up substantial parts of these populations won't have such a bearing on such a market (there are just as many if not more LDS Samoans/Tongans in greater L.A. as there are along the Wasatch Front!). As for South America, I could see eventually some possible LAX routes (LIM, SCL come to mind), but ATL is logistically a much better catch for such flights since they can draw from both NYC and L.A. markets to be sent directly south. Keep in mind that SCL is in the Atlantic Time Zone, a +5 from LAX.

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 37):
There are NO current plans to send 757's to Hawaii. These aircraft are all going to be configured for international and will be flown in such markets. Only JFK is in the plans so far. Given the the stage lengths from other hubs, don't expect much flying from anywhere else.

No current plans are concrete to do such is all I've heard, but the possibilities are being discussed at high levels in the longer term. Keep in mind that not even the best laid international plans work out, and one of the reasons DL jumped at getting these 752s aside from the bargain price was the SLC/LAX-Hawaii possibilities as well. The big issue with 752 west coast (SLC/LAX) service to Hawaii is getting these aircraft up to an ETOPs-180 certification which is a requirement to go to Hawaii for any twin-engine equipemnt. Doing JFK-Europe flights is the most practical way for them to acheive this technical requirement. Hence the reason JFK-Europe is being seen most immediately on the radar scope for the 15 ex-AA/TWA 752s.
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:37 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 17):
struggles against LH in the FRA-JFK market.

And you base this on what exactly? Its historically one of their strongest performing routes.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 18):
I understand PIT is still offering $$$ for a Europe flight as HP+US continues to contemplate further reductions there.

Indeed, I'm rather surprised no one's taken PIT-FRA, or that it was dropped in the first place.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 18):
the not to distant future when ETOPs-180 certification can be achieved?

Might not have to wait, as Boeing's come up with some rather crackerjack methods to get around the "traditional" wait time. As DL's one of the most experienced ETOPS operators in the world however, not sure they'd take the option.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 19):
My wishlist:
BEY

Not without a change in governmental policy

Quoting Delta7004 (Reply 24):
JFK-BMH

Pretty sure you mean BHX  Wink

Quoting Delta7004 (Reply 36):
I've also heard rumors of the possibility of 767s beginning services from SLC to Samoa/Tonga

Hold your breath until that one happens.

Quoting LY777 (Reply 44):
JFK-FRA with a 757; just horrible!!!

...exactly what is "just horrible" about it. Detailed outline please.

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 47):
ETOPs-180 certification which is a requirement to go to Hawaii for any twin-engine equipemnt.

*buzz* WRONG!
(PS, you can use the GCM to attempt contradicting that if you'd like, but be forewarned in that it'll be a waste of your time  Wink)
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RE: DL 757 Transatlantic 2008

Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 39):
DL will announce more new routes over the next few weeks than some airlines have for their entire international route systems, and far more than just about any other US carrier has ever announced for expansion in one year. Fasten your seatbelts.

Any chance any of those routes might be from LAX? I'm through JFK regularly and that place is a sponge that just can't hold anymore water.

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