JetBlue Color Change?

JetJock22 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:15 am

I was thinking and was wondering what you think JetBlue planes would look like in bare metal with some different shades of blue? It'd be a toss back to old Eastern colors but with the tail designs I think it would liven it up a bit. Anyone else agree?

B6JFKH81 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:19 am

Considering that we are sending our older a/c through the paint line soon...I don't think you are going to see this happen.

Our planes would kind of look like the last AeroMexico c/s which I liked. But I think that it just wouldn't look good mixed with our various tails (which there won't be any new designs of either unless it is something special like Blue 100).

4everRC · Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:24 am

Nice idea, except for one thing...

You cannot have a bare metal scheme on an Airbus. Big grin

sammyk · Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:25 am

I thought Airbus doesn't do bare metal?

mnik101 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:30 am

Quoting 4everRC (Reply 2):
You cannot have a bare metal scheme on an Airbus.

Than explain the Eastern and AA A300s that were bare metal?

B6JFKH81 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting 4everRC (Reply 2):
You cannot have a bare metal scheme on an Airbus.

Really?

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You are correct though, there is something about the way that the metal is prepped in Europe that differs from America that doesn't allow for bare metal c/s's.

OceansWorld · Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:31 am

Quoting JetJock22 (Thread starter):
JetBlue Color Change?

No need of change for me. jetBlue color scheme is fine.

Quoting 4everRC (Reply 2):
You cannot have a bare metal scheme on an Airbus.

Quoting Sammyk (Reply 3):
I thought Airbus doesn't do bare metal?

Well, some of AA A300B4-605R have been delivered with a bare metal fuselage, but I can't say how many. And to date, i believe they are the only Airbuses having a bare metal skin.

Quoting Mnik101 (Reply 4):
Than explain the Eastern and AA A300s that were bare metal?

All of EA A300s were painted light grey.

[Edited 2007-09-18 23:33:15]

JetJock22 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 1):
Considering that we are sending our older a/c through the paint line soon...I don't think you are going to see this happen.

I was unaware. Are we gonna see the harlequin design on the 190 anytime soon? I get tired of seeing the stripes and windowpane and bubbles here in CMH all the time. I know it's not practical for B6 to do it, I just think it'd look cool and tip the hat to a great old airline.

JBo · Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:34 am

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 6):

Well, some of AA A300B4-605R have been delivered with a bare metal fuselage, but I can't say how many. And to date, i believe they are the only Airbuses having a bare metal skin.

AA's A300 were originally delivered with a grey-painted fuselage because of Airbus' usage of bonded primer. AA didn't like the look, so they essentially had to special-order the A300s with a special skin that could be left bare.

B6JFKH81 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:48 am

Quoting JetJock22 (Reply 7):
Are we gonna see the harlequin design on the 190 anytime soon?

This is the harlequin design from what I remember...and if it was that was the first design to be delivered on the E190:

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The other one was tartan (I think that's how you spell it), and that will not be re-created:

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memphis · Wed Sep 19, 2007 6:53 am

personally, i like the way jetBlue looks . . .

JetJock22 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:03 am

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 9):
The other one was tartan

Thats the one I was talkin about. That is by far my favorite tail design.

B6JFKH81 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:14 am

Quoting JetJock22 (Reply 11):
Thats the one I was talkin about. That is by far my favorite tail design.

I like that one too (my favorite is still the traditional stripe, followed by the mossaic...this one comes in third). It is a shame that that is the one that DIDN'T make the final cut of recycled tails coming from the factory. I would have much rather seen them drop the little squares or the window pane one instead.

LTU932 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:26 am

Quoting JBo (Reply 8):
AA's A300 were originally delivered with a grey-painted fuselage because of Airbus' usage of bonded primer. AA didn't like the look, so they essentially had to special-order the A300s with a special skin that could be left bare.

And those aircraft that were already delivered were reskinned to match the AB6s that were already delivered with the polished metal skin, though if compared with other aircraft, the A300s in AA's fleet still have more "patches" than other aircraft mainly because there were other, yet small, areas (not just e.g. the wingbox, the tailplane (except on older Boeing and Douglas aircraft), and the radome that didn't have any metal like on most aircraft today) that couldn't be reskinned because of use of non-metal material. Though I presume that "AA didn't like the look" was probably an understatement, as many people said that AA was pissed off at Airbus about it.

EA CO AS · Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:30 am

Quoting Mnik101 (Reply 4):
Than explain the Eastern and AA A300s that were bare metal?

EA's were painted gray, they were never bare metal.

AA's were also painted gray until Airbus found a way to allow the polished aluminum look.

EMBQA · Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:58 am

Quoting Mnik101 (Reply 4):
Than explain the Eastern and AA A300s that were bare metal?

Eastern were never polished... they were white or grey.....

American only went polished a few years ago. Before that they were grey. As said, Airbus can not be polished due to the use of bonded primers. American issued an in house EO to allow the skin to be polished

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Pboud0 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:00 pm

Lets paint them green.... sorry I had to

LASoctoberB6 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:27 pm

i would like it if B6 went something like Braniff......

[Edited 2007-09-19 05:28:20]

JETnyc · Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:38 pm

Bare metal aircraft burns less fuel, paint equals weight...

asuflyer05 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 3:49 pm

Quoting Pboud0 (Reply 16):
Lets paint them green.... sorry I had to

Yup, Green with animals. Might just be easier to paint a red widget on the back and slap a Delta decal over the jetBlue logo.

gregarious119 · Wed Sep 19, 2007 9:19 pm

What if they painted the fuselage in the lighter blue compliment color, then left the tails mostly the same?

bkircher · Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:36 am

The only thing that I can see Jeblue doing is revising their font and size on the planes. What good would Jetblue be if they changed their colors to red or something.

SEPilot · Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:49 am

Quoting Pboud0 (Reply 16):
Lets paint them green.... sorry I had to

Well, then they'd have to change their name to JetGreen. Al Gore would like that.

StarCityFlyr · Thu Sep 20, 2007 1:58 am

A bit off topic, but does anyone know what became of the JetBlue ship that landed in California with the front landing gear locked sideways? Made for some great news footage on TV but never heard what the problem was or whether the aircraft had been returned to service.

Anyone have any info?

Thanks!!!! scratchchin

crogalski · Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting StarCityFlyr (Reply 23):
A bit off topic, but does anyone know what became of the JetBlue ship that landed in California with the front landing gear locked sideways? Made for some great news footage on TV but never heard what the problem was or whether the aircraft had been returned to service.

They replaced everything and it still flies. It flew into TPA last week.

StarCityFlyr · Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:06 am

Thanks Crogalski!

Any word on what caused the gear to lock out of alignment? IIRC, I thought I had read that there have been several incidents reported concerning similar gear locks.

Thanks again!

September11 · Thu Sep 20, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 15):
Eastern were never polished... they were white or grey.....

Exactly

Grey livery

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White livery

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maybe jetBlue got their livery design from Eastern white A-300s... wink

[Edited 2007-09-19 19:33:05]

D L X · Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting JETnyc (Reply 18):
Bare metal aircraft burns less fuel, paint equals weight...

But paint can also reduce drag, reducing fuel burn. Get your ying with your yang.

BTW, is jetBlue simplifying its fleet design? I like how each jet was individualized.

GeorgeJetson · Thu Sep 20, 2007 3:36 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 17):
i would like it if B6 went something like Braniff......

I would really like that, too, as I was a big Braniff fan back in the old days. I saw the Calder DC-8-62 (N1805) the very first time it ever came to Miami (on November 2, 1973) in its new wild and colorful livery. I also took quite a few pictures of it that day.

However, jetBlue painted in any other color other than blue would simply not make much sense (although Virgin Blue seems to get away with aircraft that are mostly red). They would probably have to rename the airline before they changed the colors. Or as an alternative, maybe they could put a different name on each plane depending on the color (i.e. jetRed, jetYellow, jetOrange, jetGreen, jetPurple, jetPink, etc.). This would certainly make it very interesting!

JetJock22 · Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:05 am

Quoting D L X (Reply 27):
BTW, is jetBlue simplifying its fleet design?

Nope. We are still doing the tail designs and naming our a/c, I was just wondering what everyone would think if they ever did decide to make a change. No changes are happening at this point.

rampkontroler · Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:07 am

I went through a bunch of pages here at A.net to find an AA one in the grey scheme, but I don't have the time for 65 pages worth, so here's an old scanned pic of an American A300 in the grey scheme on another site:

http://www.opshots.net/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-2969

Found one!

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smokeyrosco · Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting GeorgeJetson (Reply 28):
jetGreen,

There was already a JetGreen, didn't last long though.

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sammyk · Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:15 am

Quoting Rampkontroler (Reply 30):
I went through a bunch of pages here at A.net to find an AA one in the grey scheme, but I don't have the time for 65 pages worth, so here's an old scanned pic of an American A300 in the grey scheme on another site:

Seriously? It took me maybe 10 seconds, if that. Just go to the photo search, put in AA, A300 and Oldest First and there you have them in all their gray glory.

rampkontroler · Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting Sammyk (Reply 32):
Seriously? It took me maybe 10 seconds, if that. Just go to the photo search, put in AA, A300 and Oldest First and there you have them in all their gray glory.

Well, it took me longer than 10 secs., but I'm at work and didn't have a ton of time then. As you can see, I DID find one rather quickly, and posted it here.

wingletsman · Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:00 am

ITS BACK IN SERVICE!! YEAH!!
:D

Observer · Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:13 am

Spirit Airlines has bare metal A320s

0newair0 · Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:26 am

Quoting Observer (Reply 35):
Spirit Airlines has bare metal A320s

I'm pretty sure they are painted silver...

GeorgeJetson · Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting Observer (Reply 35):
Spirit Airlines has bare metal A320s

First of all, Spirit has A319s and A321s (not A320s). Secondly, none of them are bare metal. They are actually painted with different shades of gray and black. Most of the fuselage looks like silver [paint] (probably some kind of metallic paint à la NWA or Aeroflot). Although it may look like bare metal, it's definitely not. Some of the older aircraft were painted with different shades of blue with a mostly white fuselage. The newer and more contemporary gray/black/silver (with a touch of red) livery certainly looks a lot more “space age” and fits well into the 21st century.

GeorgeJetson · Thu Sep 20, 2007 6:47 am

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 31):
There was already a JetGreen, didn't last long though.

That's really too bad because the world really needs more “green” Silly

aircraft in order to protect the environment! rotfl

Maybe Sir Richard Branson will come up with some. Will he call it Virgin Green? Silly

LASoctoberB6 · Thu Sep 20, 2007 8:41 am

Quoting GeorgeJetson (Reply 38):

That's really too bad because the world really needs more “green” Silly aircraft in order to protect the environment!

good gravy, that was corny..

Quoting GeorgeJetson (Reply 38):

Maybe Sir Richard Branson will come up with some. Will he call it Virgin Green? Silly

possibly..
..boy, someone has really had their fill of corn today.. Wink

NASBWI · Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:25 pm

Quoting StarCityFlyr (Reply 23):
A bit off topic, but does anyone know what became of the JetBlue ship that landed in California with the front landing gear locked sideways?

As Crogalski noted, it was repaired and returned to service. It may also be interesting to note that N536JB was not the first (but actually the second) aircraft in B6's fleet to suffer this problem, with the same result (thankfully). The first incident occured on a routing BUF-JFK and wasn't covered by the media. In both cases, it was only the nose gear that needed special attention; definitely not write-off material.

As a rather random side-note, we have re-introduced "window-pane". I was non-reving on a flt from TPA-JFK the other day, and saw a brand-new A320 parked near the new terminal in the window-pane (i.e. - Canyon Blue) scheme, sans satellite dome. I did not get a picture, but it was very shiny and the registration is N661JB. I'm looking forward to seeing her ply the crowded skies! Cheers,

richierich · Thu Sep 20, 2007 11:50 pm

Quoting NASBWI (Reply 40):
As Crogalski noted, it was repaired and returned to service. It may also be interesting to note that N536JB was not the first (but actually the second) aircraft in B6's fleet to suffer this problem, with the same result (thankfully). The first incident occured on a routing BUF-JFK and wasn't covered by the media. In both cases, it was only the nose gear that needed special attention; definitely not write-off material.

As I recall, N536JB was back in-service within 6 weeks of the LAX incident. All aircraft damage was centered on the nose gear, as NASBWI said.

There was a much more serious incident involving a JetBlue aircraft that almost resulted in the plane being written off. A couple of years ago - I forget exactly when and with which aircraft (I want to say N524JB)- there was an A320 engine fire at the gate at JFK. I believe it was during refueling but somehow the wing caught fire. Fortunately the aircraft was empty (it was very late and not much activity in nearby gates) but the plane was very nearly destroyed. Kudos to the PANYNJ fire dept. for a quick response. It took several months for the plane to be fixed but I believe she is currently still flying!

Back to topic - new JetBlue colors? Besides a new tail design, I'd be surprised if there were any new colors in the foreseeable future. Maybe a sharpening of the current colors and logo font, etc. but that would be about it.

aajfksjubklyn · Fri Sep 21, 2007 1:28 am

Why would they change color..their name is Jet Blue? Or are they getting the blues (down and out) from too much Blue?

GeorgeJetson · Fri Sep 21, 2007 4:10 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 39):
Quoting GeorgeJetson (Reply 38):

That's really too bad because the world really needs more “green” Silly aircraft in order to protect the environment!

good gravy, that was corny..

Quoting GeorgeJetson (Reply 38):

Maybe Sir Richard Branson will come up with some. Will he call it Virgin Green? Silly

possibly..
..boy, someone has really had their fill of corn today..

It's really too bad you don't have a sense of humor!!! Wink

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