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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Tue Sep 25, 2007 4:42 am

Quoting LH506 (Reply 46):
Which *A carries fly currently to these destinations?

South African to WDH and LAD, TAP only to LAD

Quoting Adicool (Reply 45):
I think either LH or more likely LX should think about expanding their network in Africa.

they already serve a lot of destinations:

CAI, TIP, ALG, TUN, CMN, HBE, JNB, CPT, ACC, LOS, KRT, ADD, ABV, ASM

sure there are few other lucrative destinations such as LAD, but those are very restricted so not easy to get into that market.

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 49):
The middle east could be quite luctative for the BBJ's I gues?

afaik ZRH-RUH was operated by PTI on Saturdays or s.th. like that
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:33 am

Quoting LXA340 (Reply 32):
One new route for the 2008 summer schedule will be flights from MUC to TLV, mostlikely operated on A32S don't know if those flighs will be operated daily at the begining.

The Jerusalem Post reported yesterday that LH is scouring its fleet for aircraft to resume this route in the summer of 2008. However, LH still needs formal government approval to fly between MUC and TLV. The article in the Jerusalem Post states that LH is expected to file its request soon.
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
just yesterday they announced the new cargo joint venture with DHL, starting up at Leipzig Airport with 11 leased B777-200LRF

Nobody has picked up on this yet. First aircraft to be delivered Feb 2009 and routes subject to traffic rights. Ex Leipzig to SIN, BKK, DXB, BOM, Shanghai (assume PVG), HKG, ICN, NGO, Almaty, EMA & Milan (presume MXP). On weekends, flights will operate to Shanghai, Astana, SIN, BKK, SHJ, HKG, ORD & NY (presume JFK).

50/50 joint venture between LH Cargo and DHL Express, the name and branding of the venture is yet to be decided.

http://www.lufthansa-cargo.com/CA/co...sp?path=0,19050,38656,38657,88304#

So any ideas which lessor they will be coming from & which engines?? I assume the order has already been placed with Boeing by the lessor.
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:59 am

Wonder if they would launch any long haul service from LHR? With all of this open skies stuff!! Would be an interesting little diversion !
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:50 am

Quoting Basrabob (Reply 53):
Wonder if they would launch any long haul service from LHR? With all of this open skies stuff!! Would be an interesting little diversion !

they rather buy BD and by that gain more control over the slots. LH and their support is what BD need in order to hold up to BA in transatlantic service.
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:39 am

Hi,

will there be regularly operating non-stop LH DUS-CPT and HAM-GIG services around in December 2007? I´ve read about trip offers from DUS to CPT and HAM to GIG (DERtour, published on the LH web site, see http://www.lh-silvesterspecials.de/pdf/Reiseverlauf_Kap.pdf (in German only) for CPT and http://www.lh-silvesterspecials.de/pdf/Reiseverlauf_Rio.pdf (in German only) for GIG) between December 27 (departing from DUS/HAM) and January 2 (arriving back in DUS/HAM). Both flights are announced to operate non-stop (flight numbers LH578/579 DUS-CPT-DUS, LH 500/501 HAM-GIG-HAM). I´m puzzled because as far as I know there are no such flight numbers in the system but even when searching for flights from DUS to CPT for the end of 2007 they don´t pop up. Are they not loaded yet?

If I had to answer my own question I´d say a definite "I guess not" but on the other hand if these flights were not to be operated on a regular basis shouldn't there be a LH 8xxx number?


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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 50):
afaik ZRH-RUH was operated by PTI on Saturdays or s.th. like that

It was only operated every 2nd saturday during the summer. I gues it was successfull and I wouldn't be suprised that LH will over flights with BBJ to destinations in Middle East from FRA to destinations like RUH, JED or DXB.
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:12 am

I noticed today that LH will fly in the summer 08 some odd flights. Guess to utilise there metal better.
From the end of march they will fly 2x TXL-DUB with CR7 and TXL-MOW with 735. The TXL-MOW is already
operating but it is strange that these flights are only on Tuesdays and Saturdays.Very odd  Confused

The TXL-DUB service is on Saturday and Sunday only. I think we will see a lot more of these leisure flights by LH.

I will check a few more tomorrow, see what I can find....  Smile
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:45 pm

Rumours have also been floating around that LH will come back to Australia with its own metal by around 2009...
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 58):
Rumours have also been floating around that LH will come back to Australia with its own metal by around 2009...

No way! Too expensive to operate!
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:15 am

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 58):
Rumours havernalsornbeenrnfloatingrnaround that LH will come back to Australiarnwith itsrnownrnmetal by aroundrn2009...

I dont think so either. LH has Australia and New Zealand pretty well covered with their codeshare agreements with SQ and NZ.
Irnhate to ask this again and again, but the rumored LH service to BOG andrnLIM wont happen this autumn, right? I just wish they would focus morernon the Latin American market, that's all...
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:27 am

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 58):
LH will come back to Australia with its own metal by around 2009...

I doubt that LH will return to SYD or MEL anytime soon. However, I wish that LH would serve all six inhabited continents again. Are any of the new aircraft that LH is buying capable of flying FRA-SYD nonstop? If yes, is this route likely to be profitable?

Quoting Adicool (Reply 60):
LH service to BOG andrnLIM wont happen this autumn, right?

No announcement that LH is returning to BOG and LIM this autumn. Since it is almost October, it probably won't happen this year. Maybe, LH will start flights to BOG and LIM sometime next year. When LH returns to BOG and LIM, I wonder if each city will get dedicated nonstop service. I would not be surprised if LH resumed flights to GIG first. LH should consider daily FRA-GIG-SCL flights.
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:57 am

Well as I stated yesterday here are a few more kind of odd flights LH will operate in the coming summer schedule:

LH4512 7 TXL PMI 0835 1130 0 30MAR08 19OCT08 735 2:55

LH4512 6 TXL PMI 1420 1715 0 05APR08 25OCT08 733 2:55

LH4510 2467 HAM 2 PMI 1105 1345 0 30MAR08 17JUL08 735 2:40

LH4406 D DUS PMI 1035 1255 0 26JUN08 10AUG08 733 2:20

LH4514 67 FRA 1 PMI 1535 1735 0 30MAR08 28MAR09 319 2:00

LH4446 67 STR 1 PMI 1125 1325 0 30MAR08 20JUL08 735 2:00

LH4408 7 MUC 2 PMI 0915 1135 0 30MAR08 19OCT08 735 2:20

LH4988 36 STR 1 DUB 1145 1255 0 26APR08 04OCT08 735 2:10

EW*LH 066 47 DUS HDF 1240 1400 0 26JUN08 10AUG08 CR2 1:20

CL*LH4560 6 HAM 2 IBZ 1435 1735 0 05APR08 12JUL08 CR7 3:00

LH4560 3 HAM 2 IBZ 1125 1415 0 23JUL08 27AUG08 735 2:50

LH4560 6 HAM 2 IBZ 1445 1735 0 19JUL08 30AUG08 735 2:50

LH4404 6 TXL IBZ 1550 1850 0 05APR08 04OCT08 735 3:00

LH4558 3 DUS IBZ 1105 1340 0 02JUL08 06AUG08 733 2:35

LH4558 6 DUS IBZ 1405 1640 0 05APR08 04OCT08 733 2:35

LH3348 67 TXL IST I 0700 1100 0 30MAR08 25OCT08 733 3:00

LH3346 7 CGN 1 IST I 1045 1450 0 30MAR08 19OCT08 733 3:05

LH3346 6 CGN 1 IST I 1425 1830 0 05APR08 25OCT08 733 3:05

LH4528 247 DUS AGP 2 1030 1335 0 30MAR08 23OCT08 733 3:05

LH4528 6 DUS AGP 2 1135 1440 0 05APR08 25OCT08 733 3:05

LH4526 7 MUC 2 AGP 2 1035 1335 0 30MAR08 19OCT08 320 3:00

LH4526 6 MUC 2 AGP 2 1100 1400 0 05APR08 25OCT08 320 3:00

CL*LH2644 6 DUS OLB 1325 1530 0 26APR08 04OCT08 CR2 2:05

CL*LH2642 6 STR 1 OLB 1325 1505 0 26APR08 04OCT08 CR2 1:40

C3*LH4166 6 STR 1 NCE 1 0700 0910 0 05APR08 25OCT08 AT5 2:10

C3*LH4166 7 STR 1 NCE 1 1255 1505 0 01JUN08 20JUL08 AT5 2:10

CL*LH3242 6 TXL TLL 0810 1105 0 26APR08 04OCT08 CR7 1:55

CL*LH4986 7 TXL DUB 1015 1135 0 25MAY08 13JUL08 CR7 2:20

CL*LH4986 6 TXL DUB 1125 1245 0 26APR08 04OCT08 CR7 2:20

LH3202 6 TXL SVO 2 0900 1330 0 05APR08 25OCT08 735 2:30

LH3202 2 TXL SVO 2 1005 1435 0 01APR08 21OCT08 735 2:30

I have got the feeling that LH is trying to give AB a harder time as they start to fly more often to Spanish leisure destinations than before.

As a lot of these rotations look incomplete, I wonder if LH is expanding more within Europe this year in order to defend there turf?





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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:11 am

I just recently read on the German airliner.de-site to my surprise that LH will provide once weekly HAM-KEF service during summer 2008. I was really surprised by those announcements. I wonder if they will codeshare with FI on this flight then as I don't think they could other full up those flights (don't know the ac type tough).
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting JoCGN (Reply 55):
will there be regularly operating non-stop LH DUS-CPT and HAM-gig services around in December 2007? I´ve read about trip offers from DUS to CPT and HAM to gig

The HAM-GIG / GIG-HAM is a kind of charter that will run for it's 3rd consecutive year. A 744 is wasted during 4 days at GIG while pax enjoy the end of year in Rio de Janeiro. Always fully !

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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:37 pm

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 61):
Are any of the new aircraft that LH is buying capable of flying FRA-SYD nonstop?

Doubtful, unless LH buys superlight 77Ls or a hypothetical 787-9ER. A 77L could do FRA-SYD nonstop, but the problem would be SYD-FRA, which may not be possible to do nonstop year round due to distance and headwinds.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 64):
The HAM-GIG / GIG-HAM is a kind of charter that will run for it's 3rd consecutive year.

Interesting. This gives me already dreams of LH starting at least scheduled seasonal service between HAM and GIG, and on a 747. Big grin

I still wish LH would try to give IB some more competition on routes to Central America. A thrice weekly FRA-GUA-SJO-FRA or FRA-SJO-PTY-FRA on an A343, wouldn't be that bad, plus Costa Rica has a sizeable German community, some of them with business ties, which can be catered to. But I guess if a route to Central America (especially to SJO) does happen, it will probably only happen once they sell their remaining stake in DE, which already serves SJO through SDQ.
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:04 pm

some new destinations from DUS:


LH/CL 4394 DUS 11:20 BIA 13:15 CR2 0 -----6-
LH/EW 66 DUS 12:40 HDF 14:00 CR2 0 ------7
LH 4558 DUS 14:05 IBZ 16:40 733 0 -----6-
LH/CL 2644 DUS 13:25 OLB 15:30 CR2 0 -----6-
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:06 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 65):
Quoting IAD380 (Reply 61):
Are any of the new aircraft that LH is buying capable of flying FRA-SYD nonstop?

Doubtful, unless LH buys superlight 77Ls or a hypothetical 787-9ER. A 77L could do FRA-SYD nonstop, but the problem would be SYD-FRA, which may not be possible to do nonstop year round due to distance and headwinds.

Current schedules with SIA landings are late evening departures , and early morning arrivals. Later departures are not possible, since there are no later feeding flights, and FRA closes. Earlier arrivals aren't possible, since SYD is closed over night.

So the only possible no stop schedules are morning departures with evening arrivals in SYD - both not attractive.
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:39 pm

Quoting MilesDependent (Reply 58):
Rumours have also been floating around that LH will come back to Australia with its own metal by around 2009...

I heard that, too even that they would send an A380 on that route but I don�t believe that.

Quoting N383PA (Reply 62):
I have got the feeling that LH is trying to give AB a harder time as they start to fly more often to Spanish leisure destinations than before

I believe that, too. They offer now a flight from Berlin-Tegel to Palma which is one of the most important AB routes.
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:50 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 65):
Interesting. This gives me already dreams of LH starting at least scheduled seasonal service between HAM and GIG, and on a 747.

Dreams on both of us as i use to visit Hamburg once a year and i have some parents that every year goes to Rio for vacation.

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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:38 pm

More LH news:

According to Norwegian media, LH will increase MUC-OSL from 3 to 4 daily flights and HAM-OSL from 2 to 3
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:53 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 70):
According to Norwegian media, LH will increase MUC-OSL from 3 to 4 daily flights and HAM-OSL from 2 to 3

What equipment? 733? A320?
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 70):
According to Norwegian media, LH will increase MUC-OSL from 3 to 4 daily flights and HAM-OSL from 2 to 3

We will also serve Bergen with the beginning of the winter schedule.....  thumbsup 
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:03 pm

Quoting CptRegionalJet (Reply 72):
We will also serve Bergen with the beginning of the winter schedule.....

I think there had been a service HAM-Bergen already???
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:26 pm

Is HAM becoming the "hub of the North" (like it was intented years ago...)?
Apperently there will be regular services from HAM with LH to OSL, BGO, KEF, CPH, GOT, ARN and RNN (I know, they are not all daily!) only major Nordic airport missing is HEL...wonder why.
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:36 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 71):
Quoting Someone83 (Reply 70):
According to Norwegian media, LH will increase MUC-OSL from 3 to 4 daily flights and HAM-OSL from 2 to 3

What equipment? 733? A320?

HAM will probably be CRJ of some kind. Not sure about MUC, although I would guess on 737 although both CRJ and 320 are possible

Quoting CptRegionalJet (Reply 72):
We will also serve Bergen with the beginning of the winter schedule.....



Any link to sources?

Only found links in Norwegian for the HAM-OSL and MUC-OSL so therefore I didn't post it
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:39 pm

Quoting Adicool (Reply 74):
Is HAM becoming the "hub of the North" (like it was intented years ago...)?
Apperently there will be regular services from HAM with LH to OSL, BGO, KEF, CPH, GOT, ARN and RNN (I know, they are not all daily!) only major Nordic airport missing is HEL...wonder why.

Maybe not hub, but it's certainly becoming a major focus city for O&D flights (and yet it's DUS that's getting scheduled LH longhaul service soon, not HAM!  Angry ).

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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:47 pm

Quoting Adicool (Reply 54):
they rather buy BD and by that gain more control over the slots. LH and their support is what BD need in order to hold up to BA in transatlantic service.

I really hope this comes to fruitition and LH buys SAS stake and really turns the heat up on BA and helps BD expand and flourish, particularly at LHR.
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:53 pm

Quoting Adicool (Reply 74):
Is HAM becoming the "hub of the North" (like it was intented years ago...)?

That was over 30 years ago, when Kaltenkirchen was still on the map. (Das Drehkreuz des Nordens) I must amdit, I did not remotely believe the growth rates which became reality, Looking back, Kaltenkirchen should have been realised by the mid 80s.
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:56 pm

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 78):
That was over 30 years ago, when Kaltenkirchen was still on the map. (Das Drehkreuz des Nordens) I must amdit, I did not remotely believe the growth rates which became reality, Looking back, Kaltenkirchen should have been realised by the mid 80s.

Speaking of which, what happened with those plans regarding an airport in Kaltenkirchen anyway?
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 8:57 pm

they increased the MCT (Minimum Connection Time) from 45min. to 60min. either cont. and intercont. at FRA
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 9:03 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 80):
they increased the MCT (Minimum Connection Time) from 45min. to 60min. either cont. and intercont. at FRA

Good.....as less than 60min usually is unsuccessful at FRA. (Been there, done that....got a free night at an airport hotel)
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:09 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 81):
Good.....as less than 60min usually is unsuccessful at FRA. (Been there, done that....got a free night at an airport hotel)

yes and this is not only you! last night almost 80-90 other "lucky" people had the chance to stay a night in Frankfurt.
we mentioned that problem many times before, but never get a response. after they saw that it is not possible to arrive at gate A42 to connect from a cont. to intercont. flight to B47 due to all securities and restrictions and construction works, they increased this number to 1hrs which is very good for FRA.
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Oct 11, 2007 8:33 am

Is MCT at DUS still 30min?

btw, that doesn't work either  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Oct 11, 2007 9:43 am

Quoting Adicool (Reply 45):
I think either LH or more likely LX should think about expanding their network in Africa. Compared to AF and SN they only serve few destinations (i know, those carriers have a special interested in Africa due to colonial ties).

LX doesn't even operate most africa routes on daily basis so far so they need to consider incase demand is there to increase those flights to daily and then intorduce 1 -2 new destinations in africa that LH doesn't provide and pax can be feeded nicely from LX and LH to fill flights.
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Oct 11, 2007 12:07 pm

Quoting EarlyNFF (Reply 73):
I think there had been a service HAM-Bergen already???

Of course,I forgot about this one.The one I was thinking about will be FRA-BGO
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:17 pm

Quoting Adicool (Reply 74):
only major Nordic airport missing is HEL...wonder why.

Their Star partner Blue1 operate the route, perhaps thats one reason, and AY rather busy there, with 1-3 times daily.
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:23 pm

Quoting CptRegionalJet (Reply 85):
The one I was thinking about will be FRA-BGO

Any chance we'll see them at TRD or TRF?
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Thu Oct 11, 2007 7:10 pm

Quoting CptRegionalJet (Reply 72):
We will also serve Bergen with the beginning of the winter schedule.....



Quoting CptRegionalJet (Reply 85):
Of course,I forgot about this one.The one I was thinking about will be FRA-BGO

not gonna happen anymore, although it was intended to be served.
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:37 am

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 88):
not gonna happen anymore, although it was intended to be served.

 Wow! Interesting, my duty schedule says so.I'm supposed to dead head to Bergen on the 28th and fly LH3129 on duty on the 29th.I haven't recieved any schedule changes so far....
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Sat Oct 13, 2007 11:39 am

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 88):
not gonna happen anymore, although it was intended to be served.

 Wow! Interesting, my duty schedule says so.I'm supposed to dead head to Bergen on the 28th and fly LH3129 on duty on the 29th.I haven't recieved any schedule changes so far....
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Sat Oct 13, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting CptRegionalJet (Reply 90):
Interesting, my duty schedule says so.I'm supposed to dead head to Bergen on the 28th and fly LH3129 on duty on the 29th.I haven't recieved any schedule changes so far....

it is not unusual that new destinations are taken out again on short notice and in this case, the change took place not too long ago. perhaps it still takes some time to readjust the crew rosters, but I am 100% certain you won't be going to BGO, assuming your schedule shows BGO-FRA on the next day (not talking 'bout HAM service).
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Sat Oct 13, 2007 6:28 pm

LHUSA,
Rumors I've heard are that LH is coming to SEA...any chance that those rumors are closer to reality (without giving anything away of course  Wink

thanks
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Sat Oct 13, 2007 8:41 pm

Quoting BAW716 (Reply 92):
LHUSA,
Rumors I've heard are that LH is coming to SEA...any chance that those rumors are closer to reality (without giving anything away of course  

thanks
baw716

oh boy, here we go again...this whole LH and SEA thing is getting boring...
I don't think LH will come to SEA in the next year...they already serve Portland and Vancouver, both citites rather close to SEA...I guess LH will try to expand more in the Mid-West (Minneapolis maybe?). Maybe LH could introduce a direct service FRA/MUC - LAS...I wonder why there are only so few transatlantic flights to LAS...
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:18 am

Quoting Adicool (Reply 93):
oh boy, here we go again...this whole LH and SEA thing is getting boring...
I don't think LH will come to SEA in the next year...they already serve Portland and Vancouver, both citites rather close to SEA...I guess LH will try to expand more in the Mid-West (Minneapolis maybe?). Maybe LH could introduce a direct service FRA/MUC - LAS...I wonder why there are only so few transatlantic flights to LAS...

Fair enough, but KL/NW will be serving all YVR/SEA/PDX - AMS by next summer. So I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect a SEA-FRA flight. Star Alliance SEA-Europe is pretty weak with the daily CPH flight. FRA would give so many more connection options.

I agree that LAS is a huge untapped market to Europe.

[Edited 2007-10-13 17:21:08]

[Edited 2007-10-13 17:21:34]
 
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Sun Oct 14, 2007 2:48 am

Quoting Adicool (Reply 93):
oh boy, here we go again...this whole LH and SEA thing is getting boring...
I don't think LH will come to SEA in the next year...they already serve Portland and Vancouver,



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 94):
Fair enough, but KL/NW will be serving all YVR/SEA/PDX - AMS by next summer. So I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect a SEA-FRA flight. Star Alliance SEA-Europe is pretty weak with the daily CPH flight. FRA would give so many more connection options.

YVR1968 is totally correct. If we examine the competitive situation in Seattle, there is additional room for LH to enter, especially if NW/KL operates all three to AMS (which they will starting April next year, I believe). My point in asking is that Star Alliance is in a VERY weak position in Seattle and absent one of the players coming into the market, SkyTeam will own 80% of the international nonstop traffic ex Seattle. This is not necessarily a good thing for the consumer in the long term (even though I am a very strong SkyTeam supporter). SAS is the only carrier flying to Europe for Star Alliance from Seattle and if the only other Star service is the UA flight to Tokyo (which rumors also suggest will be downgraded to a 767 once the reconfiguration has been completed on these aircraft)...this market is growing and if SAS is the only carrier flying the Star banner from this market to Europe, then there are some people at Star Alliance who are very much asleep at the wheel. Again, all the better for SkyTeam.

Adicool...I don't think this discussion is boring. If you know for certain that LH will not fly here, then by all means please tell us. There are strong competitive reasons for another Star Alliance carrier entering this market and if not LH, then who? If LH believes that a Seattle flight will weaken its position, then I'd be curious to hear their rationale. This was the thrust of my question more than anything else.

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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Sun Oct 14, 2007 1:53 pm

i think chances are very high that LH will start service to SEA in the not too distant future. considering the sheer amount of rumors (there's always a ring of truth to it) especially in recent time and what people can hear through the grapevine, i think it is actively being considered.

i am very confident that there are major business opportunities despite existing service to YVR and PDX and by SK and skyteam. if my knowledge serves me right, SEA should be the one top metro area still unserved by LH in the US.
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RE: Lufthansa In Full Expansion Mode

Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:21 pm

Wow...With all these RUMORS about LH flights to Seattle being generated on airliners. net and discussed almost weekly now, I'm sure an announcement is right on the horizon...

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