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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:03 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 49):
And that's flying over ELP and SAN to remain in USA airspace and avoid paying Mexico overflight.

Which, BTW, is how they route CO01, in case anyone wondered. It flies toward ELP, then toward SAN, then seems to jog up a tad and jump in line on the "airway" with the LA Basin flights to the islands.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:40 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 50):

so, when i took 73/72 last week and we flew over the Baja Peninsula, that was just a mistake or a 1 time deal??
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:59 pm

I've seen the IAH-HNL flights go over Mexico on Flight Aware. I'd imagine its an economic decision to pay the overflight tax to save time and more money on fuel vs. the tax.
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:38 pm

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 52):
I'd imagine its an economic decision to pay the overflight tax to save time and more money on fuel vs. the tax.

I'm no expert, but I understand the overflight cost is not cheep, so when given a viable alternative, airlines avoid Mexican airspace. Now, things like weather and winds can make it unavoidable, which explains...

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 51):
so, when i took 73/72 last week and we flew over the Baja Peninsula, that was just a mistake or a 1 time deal??

Last week there was a strong storm over the LA Basin, with rain and everything. And mudslides (trapped people in the Warner Bros Studios Employee parking garage). In September!! With lightning!!! (we never get lightning here, so it was a big deal).

It began forming a bit further north earlier in the wek, but had a lot of convection, and the system lasted for a week, and it's likely CO chose to pay the overflight rights and go around it rather than through it.

If you go to flight aware, you'll see that CO73 flew over Mexico on the 23rd, but switched back to the USairspace route on the 24th, 25th, 26th. Same for CO1.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:49 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 50):
Which, BTW, is how they route CO01, in case anyone wondered. It flies toward ELP, then toward SAN, then seems to jog up a tad and jump in line on the "airway" with the LA Basin flights to the islands.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 53):
I'm no expert, but I understand the overflight cost is not cheep, so when given a viable alternative, airlines avoid Mexican airspace. Now, things like weather and winds can make it unavoidable, which explains...

I was aboard CO1 IAH-HNL on 9/12, we routed IAH-JCT-MTY and then random-route from MTY-HNL, not on one of the published routes from the left coast to HNL. I was checking to see if we were going out via INK or FST when the FO said it was going to be something different this trip. As you noted about the storms, this would be why we went that path. Actually got us into HNL a little early.... same plane then continued on as HNL-GUM.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:19 pm

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 41):
The other day out of 15 Bizfirst pax on the second flight, 12 of them were travelling on the most expensive J fare class, the first flight was full as usual. Make no mistake, with regard to passenger revenue, EDI is higher yielding than MAN.

It may well be on CO, but EDI doesn't have BA 763s and DL 763s and/or 757s vying for passengers. Yet.
 
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Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:35 am

Quoting SpdBrdConcorde (Reply 31):
I am hoping that CO would get some more widebodies like 762s or 2 more 772s and start SYD or MEL from IAH (via HNL)..

People still keep suggesting U.S. airlines start new routes to Australia via HNL. I think it'll happen when hell freezes over.

Absolutely no airline wants to fly from the USA mainland to Australia via HNL. It's not that it's out of the way. It's just that almost no one wants to connect or stop in HNL to get to Aussie. The fares would be very low yield. CO did this for years and it was a disaster. Dumping that whole route set up to Australia and New Zealand and dumping CO Lite were some major route changes that led CO to prosperity. CO could not compete with Qantas and UA with the nonstops. PERIOD. At one time I think AA did this routing, and it didn't work for them either.
 
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Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:15 am

Quoting Teme82 (Reply 18):
don't recall the correct numbers but I think it's around 60% to 75% and it's seasoal. More passangers in the summer time.

If the loads is 60-75% I dont think 2airlines would survive this route.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:23 am

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 37):
EDI is higher yielding than MAN, J demand is greater from EDI and the need for a B767 is greater in that regard.

You really do speak some old tosh sometimes  Wink
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 58):
You really do speak some old tosh sometimes Wink

So do you, but atleast what I say is based on factual information.  Wink
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:29 am

Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 56):
CO could not compete with Qantas and UA with the nonstops.

One stop to New York is one stop to new york, wether it is in LAX or HNL. The problem is trying to do it with the same sized aircraft, or a large aircraft.

It's possible one could use a 788 on the SYD-HNL route, and a 777 on the HNL to east coast route. One can also connect to the IAH route, and a possible VS London flight. With three planes feeding the run from non-west coast cities, it's doable. The right planes had not been available in the past. And EWR-HNL-SYD is 75nm longer than EWR-LAX-HNL, and can be done with 764ER/762ER/772ER or 788/9, just to be clear...

Which is not to say that it will happen. But a 2 class carrier has a much better chance than a three class. And one that can feed the route from 3 distant locations rather than just replicate the LAX-SYD route with a stop in the middle.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:31 am

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 41):
Obviously it's not possible to get stats on airline's specific yields on each flight publically

Which is why im rather surprised at your original post.

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 55):
EDI doesn't have BA 763s and DL 763s and/or 757s vying for passengers

Yes that particular point appears to have been forgotton. The overall NYC profits from MAN must kick EDIs ass.
Still cant see CO massively increasing their EDI ops to suggested 764's and 767/757s etc when DL will be right on their doorsteps and will o doubt be heavily discounting and marketing to grab market share and to attract some business. Lets hope it doesnt go the same way as NCL-JFK with AA.
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 61):

Which is why im rather surprised at your original post.

It helps when you're involved directly with the airline everyday at work...

Quoting BY738 (Reply 61):
Still cant see CO massively increasing their EDI ops to suggested 764's and 767/757s etc when DL will be right on their doorsteps and will o doubt be heavily discounting and marketing to grab market share and to attract some business. Lets hope it doesnt go the same way as NCL-JFK with AA.

I don't know where you're getting an overall increase in capacity. A single B764 would be a big drop, a B762 and B752 would also represent a small drop in capacity on 2 B752s. I've never said the route needs more overall capacity, it needs more Bizfirst capacity which is what a single B764 or B762 and B752 would bring.
Can't comment on DL, all I can say is that CO aren't expecting DL to effect them massively, especially the premium traffic. It will be low yield leisure pax with no particular alliance to CO that they might lose to DL depending on how aggressive DL are with their pricing. However, they haven't started marketing the flight yet and none of the passengers flying on CO just now seem to know about the route's existance yet, Brits or Americans.

Quoting BY738 (Reply 61):
Yes that particular point appears to have been forgotton. The overall NYC profits from MAN must kick EDIs ass.

I thought we were talking about CO here? That's stating the obvious really and can't really be compared, MAN is a much bigger market overall.
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:44 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 61):
Yes that particular point appears to have been forgotton. The overall NYC profits from MAN must kick EDIs ass.

Yes, but that isn't what Scottish Laddie is saying. He's talking CO. And you can rest assured that CO will only be focused on its own profits. You appear to be going off on a tangent bringing other carriers into this.

Quoting BY738 (Reply 61):
Still cant see CO massively increasing their EDI ops to suggested 764's and 767/757s etc when DL will be right on their doorsteps and will o doubt be heavily discounting and marketing to grab market share and to attract some business. Lets hope it doesnt go the same way as NCL-JFK with AA.

As Scottish Laddie pointed out, a 762 wouldn't really represent an overall pax increase for EDI-EWR at all, but it would offer greater business class availability, which is an important consideration for the route. Personally, I'd prefer it if they kept it 2 x daily 757, as it offers greater connecting opportunities at EWR.

As for DL, there should be plenty of room for both. The EDI-USA market is still comparatively underserved.
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 59):
So do you, but atleast what I say is based on factual information. Wink

Proof!  Wink
No doubt EDI is a high yield destination normally (ATL being an exception), but to say it's higher yielding than MAN, well, I'd be surprised if that was true.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:06 am

What about NCL? I bet CO could support a daily flight there on a B757?
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:08 am

I had a crazy thought. I noticed how DL is using DKR as a connector to the rest of Africa. What if CO did the same with LOS? Maybe routings like: IAH/EWR-LOS-JNB/CPT. I believe there is suffecient demand from IAH and EWR to both LOS and South Africa. I know there is lots of premium traffic from IAH-LOS. Im not sure, maybe im dreaming, but it seems like a good idea.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:10 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 64):
No doubt EDI is a high yield destination normally (ATL being an exception), but to say it's higher yielding than MAN, well, I'd be surprised if that was true.

It's true. Say you fancied a few days in NY this weekend. It would cost you $675 in Y from EDI, $6798 in J. From MAN for the same flights it would be $574 in Y, $6135 in J. I know one example doesn't represent the full picture, but this is the general pattern and is why EDI is higher yielding. Less compeition from EDI no doubt helps.
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:24 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 60):
EWR-HNL-SYD is 75nm longer than EWR-LAX-HNL,

I must be missing something here  scratchchin   confused 

EWR-HNL is 4962 m
HNL-SYD is 5066 m

Total of 10028 m

EWR-LAX is 2454 m
LAX-HNL is 2556 m

Total of 5010 m
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:55 am

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 62):
It helps when you're involved directly with the airline everyday at work...

Id be surprised if your customer service role allowed access to anything other than load factors and would be unlikely to offer anything other than speculation when comparing yields and profits with MAN. I remain unconvinced that EDI provides more yield than MAN.
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting Damian (Reply 63):
The EDI-USA market is still comparatively underserved

Whats that based on? Given that none of the flights from EDI are routinely running anywhere near 100% loads, I suspect the demand is adequately served. In terms of choice of destination, the loss of ATL will not help that particular cause.
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:17 am

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 68):

I am fairly certain he meant to compare EWR-HNL-SYD with EWR-LAX-SYD.
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 3:29 pm

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 68):
I must be missing something here

It's called a typo. I think you know what I meant, and if you did the math, you'd see it's 75nm longer.

Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 71):
I am fairly certain he meant to compare EWR-HNL-SYD with EWR-LAX-SYD.

It was obvious to you and you're new here! I find it hard to believe he was really confused...  Wink
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:13 pm

Scottishladdie, you are at school.

I think that says enough.

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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:15 pm

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 73):
Scottishladdie, you are at school.

I think that says enough.

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He actually works at Edinburgh Airport*. But nice try  Wink

















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Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:03 pm

Cut me some slack, I had a long day here. Jeesh. Big grin
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:42 pm

Quoting IAHcsr (Reply 34):
There are 33 new 738/9 for '08. 10-15 735 exit. 41 total 752s, 25-27 daily TAtl. departures.
787 delivery schedule '09-13 is 3/5/6/6/5 with 35 options.

Back to the topic, from IAHcsr, CO has 33 new 738/9 aircraft coming into the fleet in 2008. With 10 (or 15) 735 leaving in the same time frame, that allows 18 aircraft for expansion. Of course, the delivery schedule will not allow for 18 expansion aircraft in Summer 2008.

My guess would be that almost all the approximately 10 752s flying domestic could all be moved to international service by Summer 2008. That gives CO 10 tatl roundtrips, with CLE-CDG already in that group and EWR-BOM needs two aircraft for service this Fall by substitution/downgrades. The question is how many new routes they will all be under EWR-TXL range, how many will be added frequencies and how many will be used to replace 764 or 772s on a two for one basis to allow longer haul routes.
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting HUYfan (Reply 73):
Scottishladdie, you are at school.

I think that says enough.

Regards

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Haha err no, if you got that from my profile it's because I've not been updated it in almost 4 years from when I first joined, a lot has changed since then. If you want to play at that game, you're cc for Astreus, I think that says enough about your knowledge of CO's daily ops.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 74):
*He's a trolly dolly though duck

I ain't no trolly dolly kirk!  Wink
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:08 am

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 77):
I ain't no trolly dolly kirk! Wink

Proof please!
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:12 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 76):
The question is how many new routes they will all be under EWR-TXL range, how many will be added frequencies and how many will be used to replace 764 or 772s on a two for one basis to allow longer haul routes.

Should be pretty interesting to see the direction CO chooses. The issue with the 752 is that at some point (very soon), you hit the point of diminishing returns as there are only so many cities within the 752 range that warrant nonstop service to the U.S. CO has already covered quite a few of them and many of the remaining ones may be very thin, or even too thin even for the 752. I don't think there are more than 3 or at most 4 new (for CO) Western European destinations within the 752's range that can justify nonstop service to the U.S...My bet is that the majority of the available 752s will be used to double up on existing 767 routes, thus freeing up the latter for longer routes....
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:03 am

I for one dont understand why CO wont add another route to Europe from IAH. MAD or FRA would work very well.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:24 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 80):
MAD or FRA would work very well.

I just don't see MAD from IAH and FRA would be almost out of the question coz it is an STAR fortress...I think EWR has Europe covered good enough for now ...VIE would be great nevertheless
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:42 pm

Hehe good call!

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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:22 pm

Quoting SpdBrdConcorde (Reply 81):
I just don't see MAD from IAH and FRA would be almost out of the question coz it is an STAR fortress...I think EWR has Europe covered good enough for now ...VIE would be great nevertheless

Well there is definately a need for more IAH-FRA capacity. The route is going to a 744 this summer LH. Sometimes I wonder if CO is just letting the foreign carriers take over the flying to Europe from IAH. KE will soon come to IAH and take a chunk of the Asia traffic. I would love to see CO do more to Europe and Asia from IAH.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 83):
The route is going to a 744 this summer LH.Sometimes I wonder if CO is just letting the foreign carriers take over the flying to Europe from IAH.

You mean Summer 08?I think that CO is really not worried with the European sectors right now with DEL doing well out EWR and BOM coming online next week..it is kind of an edge over the european carriers because of the nonstop. I rather endure 13+ hrs and be done with it than fly 6hrs ..land takeoff for another 8 hrs.And the europeans fly into almost every hub city not just IAH only (excluding CLT).

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 83):
I would love to see CO do more to Europe and Asia from IAH.

Me too ..IAH to Asia (other than NRT) would be cool..like ICN or KIX
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Sat Sep 29, 2007 11:39 am

yeah, as soon as we can pull in some 787's, then we can start seeing more Asian expansion not just from EWR, but IAH as well!!
 
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Sun Sep 30, 2007 4:10 am

I always wonder if the 773ER would work for CO,,,by using those on the EU and Japan routes and free up the 772s to expand a little more out of IAH to asia
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Sun Sep 30, 2007 5:45 am

Quoting SpdBrdConcorde (Reply 81):
I just don't see MAD from IAH

The thinking here is that since IAH serves so many destinations in the Spanish-speaking western hemisphere, particularly in Mexico, it could easily fill a daily flight to Madrid, given the cultural and (I presume) business links involved.

I've also heard it said that part of the reason CO doesn't fly IAH-MAD is the lack of sterile transit in the US - arriving passengers from other countries must clear US C&I even if they get on another plane and fly right out. It's partly a function of U.S. regulations, and, in the case of most airports, the way they're configured - i.e. why build to allow for sterile transit if it can't be used? However, I've heard that IAH is, in fact, designed to allow sterile transit if the regulations should ever change.
 
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Sun Sep 30, 2007 6:07 am

the clearing customs has nothing to do why we are not flying IAH-MAD. Simply put, we dont have the a/c to fly such a route. Hands down.
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Sun Sep 30, 2007 7:00 am

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 87):
I've also heard it said that part of the reason CO doesn't fly IAH-MAD is the lack of sterile transit in the US - arriving passengers from other countries must clear US C&I even if they get on another plane and fly right out. It's partly a function of U.S. regulations,

A lot of US airports are this way. It is not just IAH, nor is it a reason we don't fly IAH-MAD (or any other city for that matter).

Regardless of citizenship and destination all customers much clear US Customs and Immigration formalities.

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 88):
Simply put, we dont have the a/c to fly such a route. Hands down.

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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:36 am

Quoting SpdBrdConcorde (Reply 86):
I always wonder if the 773ER would work for CO

777-300ERs would work for well for CO on such routes as;

EWR-
Tel Aviv, Delhi, Mumbai, London (Heathrow),

IAH-
London (Heathrow)
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Sun Sep 30, 2007 9:38 am

Quoting SpdBrdConcorde (Reply 84):
IAH to Asia (other than NRT) would be cool..like ICN or KIX

CO stated their intent to launch IAH-PEK and IAH-PVG with the new China route authorities that will be available in 2010, perfect routes for CO's 787s.

Question, can the 787-9 operate IAH-DEL and IAH-BOM nonstop without severe passenger/cargo penalties.

[Edited 2007-09-30 02:39:50]
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Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:01 am

IAH-DEL/BOM would be restricted. Due to being polar, it wouldn't have a lot of negative winds, but at 7200nm, the 787-9 is restricted. IIRC, the MZFW range of the 787-9 is no better than the 772ER. It's just the slope of the tradeoff curve (cargo for range/fuel) is shallower on the 787 than on the 777.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:19 am

Some information from Larry and Jeff regarding the 787, International growth etc as per the Flyertalk folks who had a get together with CO in Houston this weekend.

787s

Seating will be 3-3-3 in Y.
5 787s will be delivered between 2009 and 2010
20 787s will be delivered between 2010 and 2013
Lots of options, which will be disclosed/converted in the near future.
New J product, that "We" will love
"The 787s will be used first in areas like middle-east, Africa and S. Pac",
Central Europe 2013

Growth;

In short, mostly focus on CLE, add Shanghai and some narrow-body to Latin America, and then big growth after 2009. CLE is not a reliever for EWR, CLE will draw their own new routes.
Major construction over the next 10 years at EWR, increasing passengers numbers at EWR without adding many more flights by replacing RJs with mainline aircraft. New 737-900s will concentrate on Trans-Cons, again hinted at new product offerings with the new 737-900ERs. Increasing First Class seating on the Mid-Cabin lav 737-800s, right now they are adding two additional F/C seats for a total of 20 (future 24 FC Seats?). Also hinted at new product offering for all mainline, announcement soon.

Channel 9, maybe.

Net gain 15 new 737s for delivery in 2008.

No mergers, although CO sometimes does lose corporate contracts because their network isn't as fully developed as others. CO would love to grow it, not through merger though. Merger would hurt hard won employee and customer respect.

West Coast operation:
Would love to expand on the West Coast but it cannot be accomplished incrementally nor inexpensively, has to be an all in scenario. If enough gates were to become available at the right airport, maybe. Right now other priorities.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:39 am

If CO would add Channel 9...I would never fly anyone else - lol.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:49 am

CO should really consider adding IAH-SCL. CO's Latin American system is very profitable, I think that would be the logical next step. I know I harp on this like an old nag, but I WISH that CO would add more flights to IAH.

The thing that is nice about CO is that they dont try to be everything to everyone. The know that their hubs are good and profitable and they dont try to go crazy expanding in areas outside their hubs. DL on the other hand does try to be everything to everyone and I believe that mindset will one day bite them in the ass.

Quoting STT757 (Reply 91):
CO stated their intent to launch IAH-PEK and IAH-PVG with the new China route authorities that will be available in 2010, perfect routes for CO's 787s.

This is my first hearing of this. Good news indeed!!!  Smile

Unrelated any news on KE at IAH?
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Mon Oct 01, 2007 3:57 am

I can actually imagine EDI generating some good BusinesFirst traffic for CO given the banking and other financial interests based in Edinburgh. I don't know if anybody can confirm but does Royal Bank of Scotland use those flights given they have a number of US interests? Got to be better for them if going to New York to fly direct from EDI rather than via LHR/LGW.

With CO and DL both serving the EDI-NYC market I wonder if AA may be tempted to try JFK-EDI too (codeshare with BA) or at least ORD-EDI? Hell, if BA introduces 757s on the North Atlantic again due to Open Skies I wonder of they'd be tempted to do it themselves?
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:13 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 93):
"The 787s will be used first in areas like middle-east, Africa and S. Pac",
Central Europe 2013

I had assumed that CO would be using their first 787’s for India, China, ICN and Japan expansion. I am really surprised to hear that they will be used first to the Middle East, Africa, South Pacific and then Central Europe in 2013. Does this mean that India, ICN and Japan will get no new flights until after 2013? I suppose they could replace TLV service with 787’s and have a couple of 777’s for the promised IAH to PEK and PVG service.

If the 787’s are limited to the Middle East, Africa and the South Pacific until 2012; after CO serves South Africa and NBO non-stop, IAH to Australia & New Zealand and replaces the 777’s to TLV, it looks like they will have to take on DL directly to use the rest of those 20 or so planes. Wouldn’t it be more profitable to serve more cities in India and Japan, ICN, SCL with some of those 787’s?
 
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:24 am

Quoting Justapassenger (Reply 97):
Wouldn’t it be more profitable to serve more cities in India and Japan, ICN, SCL with some of those 787’s?

Who said they would not, all they said were the first batch of 5 787-8s which are being delievered between 2009 and 2010 will be used for Middle East, Africa and South Pacific. As for Middle East and Africa it's not hard to figure out where they want to fly there, their intentions being a Houston based carrier are well documented. It makes perfect sense that those would be their first routes with their 787s considering the demand for those routes from Houston.

The 787-9s will concentrate on opening up new Asian routes, mostly from EWR but some IAH flights as well.
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RE: CO's Int'l Expansion Plans 2008

Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:27 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 95):
CO should really consider adding IAH-SCL. CO's Latin American system is very profitable,

It is profitable because they avoid marginal routes like Santiago.
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