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TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:13 am
by nomadic
Does anyone recal (or have photos) of TWA 747s operating out of Denver Stapleton Airport in the early 1970's

If I am correct, the 747 was used on a DEN/JFK/CDG/FCO routing. I was attending college at the University of Colorado at the time and I seem to remember ads in the Denver Post promoting the service "Only On TWA...same-plane 747 service to Europe!")

I also believe that the 747s did not stay on the route too long. There were problems taking off with a full load en route to New York on a hot summer day (read- mile-high field level and a runway not quite long enough )

If there are any of you that can cooborate any of this, I would love to hear from you.

:?)

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:02 am
by nomadic
As a follow up...anyone remember when TWA 'originated' ther round the world flights in Denver? It was during this same period. It was a 'through' flight number but with a change of equipment in New York.

:?)

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:20 pm
by quickmover
I remember seeing L1011s and 767s at DIA in the mid 90s during ski season. 747s were never scheduled into DIA (not sure about Stapleton), but I do remember a 747 substitution into DIA once.

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:24 pm
by WesternA318
I remember TWA routing 767's AND L-1011's from SLC to DEN

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:19 pm
by N905TW
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 3):
I remember TWA routing 767's AND L-1011's from SLC to DEN

You have a great memory..... That was flight 743.... JFK-DEN-SLC. A late evening arrival, which turned the next morning back the same way it arrived... Flight 742, SLC-DEN-JFK to connect to the European bank.....

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:34 pm
by DIA
**I remember sitting in the 94th Aero Squadron restaurant one evening...I saw two L1011s land within 20 minutes of each other on the east-wests.

**I know TWA had the 707 to JFK in the 1970s and maybe even 81-82.

**Pan Am did have a 747 on the DEN-JFK run in the early 1990s (Was this what you were thinking of?)

***PeoplExpress also had a 747 on the DEN-EWR run, before People was taken over...

***The only TWA 747 I've seen at Stapleton was the one that took the Broncos to England to play a football game (before the real season started) This was in the late 1980s when they lost three superbowls...  Sad

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:36 pm
by DIA
** To add one more...Continental (for a time) had a 747 on the DEN-EWR as well. the a/c was in full golden tail colors.

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:45 pm
by falstaff
Quoting Quickmover (Reply 2):
I remember seeing L1011s and 767s at DIA in the mid 90s during ski season

I remember flying to and from DEN on TWA L1011s in the 1980s. I was young. My parents and I flew a lot to PIT from DEN then and many times it was on an L1011. I remember the flights were continuing to Europe. I forget where. I think CDG or LHR.

Quoting DIA (Reply 5):
I remember sitting in the 94th Aero Squadron restaurant

That was a cool place. I remember going there with my dad.

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:55 pm
by DIA
Quoting Falstaff (Reply 7):
That was a cool place. I remember going there with my dad.

I am always quick amazed (and pleased) to see just how many of us remember that restaurant...it certainly built a lot of memories over the years.

P.S. - I like how you listed flying NWA DC-9s under your hobbies section in your profile. I completely understand.  Smile

Cheers

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:17 am
by dia77
Quoting DIA (Reply 5):
Pan Am did have a 747 on the DEN-JFK run in the early 1990s (Was this what you were thinking of?)

DIA are you sure about this? I could have sworn the flight was always a 727. I might be mistaken though...

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 12:33 am
by DIA
Quoting DIA77 (Reply 9):
DIA are you sure about this? I could have sworn the flight was always a 727. I might be mistaken though...

I am positive. I saw these PA 747s day after day...and wondered why they had this jumbo on the route myself.

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:46 am
by nomadic
Quoting DIA (Reply 5):
**I know TWA had the 707 to JFK in the 1970s and maybe even 81-82.

I flew frequently between Denver & New York on TWA from 1970 through the mid 1980's and every flight was a 707. Some of them featured TWAs wonderful Ambassador service (with the 707 'Coach Lounge'.) At the other end of the scale, some of the Boeings were configured as all-economy 'Super Coach' flights.

The 747 service I mentioned at the top had to have been quite short-lived as I never had a chance to take advantage of the bigger plane.

:?)

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:03 am
by timz
The 8/73 OAG shows a TW 747 DEN-JFK and back.

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:15 am
by FlyPIJets
I have a few TW timetables from '75 and '76 - TW 810 was routed Denver --> Boston --> Paris --> Rome --> Athens --> Tel Aviv. It was not a widebody (747 or L1011) so I guess it was a 707. I'm betting the routing stayed the same during the regulated era, could be they used a 747 early on.

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:26 am
by RyDawg82
Heyas,
Went thru Steve Gustafson's amazing Stapleton site and found these photos of TWA at Stapleton. Couldn't find any L-1011's or 747s; however, its fun to look back at these anyways -- Ryan

http://www.aviationphotographs.net/StapletonAirport/FrankDuarte1/duarte-080.jpg
http://www.aviationphotographs.net/StapletonAirport/ChristopherSmay/christopher-007.jpg
http://www.aviationphotographs.net/StapletonAirport/FrancoisStock/francois-002.jpg
http://www.aviationphotographs.net/StapletonAirport/JohnPStewart/johnp-001.jpg
http://www.aviationphotographs.net/StapletonAirport/JohnPStewart/johnp-012.jpg

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:30 am
by WesternA318
God that Convair 880 looks fantastic!

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 10:29 pm
by Cross757
Quoting DIA (Reply 8):
I am always quick amazed (and pleased) to see just how many of us remember that restaurant...it certainly built a lot of memories over the years.

They served the best French Onion soup in town...and remember sitting at a table by the windows and getting to put on the headphones and listen to the tower controllers?

I was still somewhat young at the time, but we once took my grandmother to Stapleton in 1979/1980 for her flight back to BOI, and my Dad saw a 747 parked at one of the gates and took a picture through the glass of it. I can't remember what concourse/airline it was (could have been "B", therefore it would have been UA), but I'll dig around and see if I can find the photo again.

However on one of our many Saturday spotting trips to Stapleton with my Dad (remember the observation room between, if I remember correctly, between Concourse B and C?) I distinctly remember seeing a TWA 707 and a CO 707 as well. I miss those days...

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:42 am
by timz
Quoting DIA (Reply 5):
Pan Am did have a 747 on the DEN-JFK run in the early 1990s

Looks like PA started DEN in May 1989 and dropped it between July and October of 1991. Anybody find a timetable/OAG showing a 747 on that run?

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:58 am
by DIA
Quoting Timz (Reply 17):
Looks like PA started DEN in May 1989 and dropped it between July and October of 1991. Anybody find a timetable/OAG showing a 747 on that run?

I've got photographic proof in my basement...with dates on the prints!  Smile Man I wish there were more spotters back then...

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:53 am
by nomadic
Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 15):
God that Convair 880 looks fantastic!

In addition to all of my flights from DEN to the East Coast, I flew quite a bit DEN-SFO and these flights were almost always on a Convair. It is still one of my favorite aircraft.

Thanks for the photos!

P.S. Despite my interest in TWA, my only 747 flight out of Denver was with Continental - DEN-LAX in 1972.

:?)

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:08 am
by timz
Quoting DIA (Reply 5):
Pan Am did have a 747 on the DEN-JFK run in the early 1990s

Airport Activity Stats shows a total of four PA 747 departures from DEN during the three years 1989-1991-- also one A310-300 and one A300. Substitutions or diversions? (Except two of the 747 departures were unscheduled flights, so presumably charters out of DEN.)

I checked maybe ten OAG/timetables-- all show 727s out of DEN.

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:22 am
by WesternA318
The only flights I ever took out of Stapleton were on TWA L-1011's 767's and MD-80's to JFK from SLC...

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:31 am
by AirCop
Quoting Nomadic (Reply 1):
anyone remember when TWA 'originated' ther round the world flights in Denver?

Did TWA have a around the world flight? Did they have any Asia service? I thought only Pan Am and for a short time United.

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:52 pm
by WA707atMSP
Quoting AirCop (Reply 22):
Did TWA have a around the world flight? Did they have any Asia service? I thought only Pan Am and for a short time United.

TWA's Europe routes extended as far as India and Bangkok in the 1950s and 1960s. In India, TWA was allowed to serve Mumbai, and Pan Am was allowed to serve Delhi.

In 1966, TWA was allowed to extend their European routes further east, to Hong Kong.

In 1969, TWA was allowed to fly around the world, routing Hong Kong-Taiwan-Okinawa-Guam-Honolulu-Los Angeles / San Francisco. However, TWA was not allowed to stop at Tokyo; the US government originally planned to give TWA Los Angeles / San Francisco - Tokyo authority, in competition with Pan Am, but the Japanese government would not allow another US airline into Tokyo, so the California - Tokyo authority went to Northwest Orient. The lack of Tokyo authority turned what might have been a profitable route for TWA into a highly unprofitable route.

TWA suspended their round the world flights in the mid 1970s, and gave their Asian route authority to Pan Am as part of a complicated route swap between TWA and Pan Am that also saw Pan Am dropping flights from Chicago, Boston, and Philadelphia to London, TWA pulling out of Frankfurt, Pan Am pulling out of Paris, TWA dropping Detroit - Europe flights, and Pan Am dropping New York - Lisbon-Barcelona. A separate swap between Pan Am and American saw AA suspending flights to Hawaii, Fiji, American Samoa, Australia, and New Zealand, in exchange for Pan Am giving AA their authority to serve Bermuda, the Dominican Republic, and Barbados.

RE: TWA 747s At Denver Stapleton

Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:00 pm
by MSYtristar
PA ran JFK-DEN-SLC with 72S aircraft. 747's were likely equip. subs or charters.