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N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:33 am

According to several mexican newspapers, G-II reg. N987SA went down this morning in Yucatan, Mexico, about 20 nm from MID.

It has been reported the plane was carrying 3.2 tons of cocaine. Mexican Air Force EMB-145MP detected the G-II coming from the south (reportedly from Colombia).

Press report in http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/450941.html (sorry, in spanish only)





Usually drug dealers re-mark their own a/c, but this time the pictures are consistent with the N987SA listed in a.net db


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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:37 am

My espanol is a little rusty. Was it shot down or did it go down on its own?
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:42 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
Was it shot down or did it go down on its own?

It was forced down.
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:43 am

That looks like a lot of bags to cram onto that plane!!

How on Earth did customs/airport officials not notice anything!? Either that or some kind of blind eye was turned...
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:51 am

Shows registered to a company in Fort Lauderdale... interesting.
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:53 am

With the right amount of cold hard cash money, you can pretty much accomplish anything. Now getting away with it is another story.
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 5:57 am

Quoting Xtoler (Reply 5):
With the right amount of cold hard cash money, you can pretty much accomplish anything. Now getting away with it is another story.

I often wonder why these people don't take the first $200 million and just retire, like everyone else.
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:10 am

Quoting Khobar (Reply 6):

Normal, rational people would do that, but it's all about the greed. Plus, I'm thinking it's hard to get out of that business, unless you went into hiding somewhere in the south Pacific. Do you remember that big American drug smuggler back in the late '70s, early '80s? His last name was Jung. He tried to get out too, but wound up doing it again anyway, and if he's not dead yet, I'm pretty sure he's still in jail.

I think I'll keep on earning my living the old fashioned way and keep on with my job and hope to score big on the Powerball.  Wink
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:40 am

Quoting RicciPettit (Reply 3):
How on Earth did customs/airport officials not notice anything!? Either that or some kind of blind eye was turned.

Many drug transporting planes leave from clandestine runways in the jungle (mostly in guerrilla controlled areas). No need for customs. All drugdealers need is information on when and where will air patrol a/c will be (either near Colombia or Mexico).

A few weeks ago, a BAC-1-11 landed in CUN due to an "emergency" (flightplan was from somewhere in Venezuela to MID). At the far end of the rwy, the airplane shut down their lights, opened the door and dumped some cargo. Somebody noticed it and the police went to the end of the rwy. At the time, some pick up trucks had already left the airport's perimeter with the cargo. Pilots were arrested and the a/c secured. Traces of drugs were found on board.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
Was it shot down or did it go down on its own?

No information on that. Authorities are quite tight lipped at the moment (according to the news). Some people heard in their scanners in MID something about the incident (http://www.fsmex.com/foros/viewtopic.php?t=21274&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 in spanish only!)

In summary, an EMB145MP returned to MID. The ATC requested information and pilot in the EMB said:

- The G-II was coming from Colombia to Cancun.
- It was intercepted by the Mexican Air Force near Cancun (no information reg. the intercepting aircraft, probably a PC-7)
- The plane tried to land in the jungle (possible a clandestine runway) but had to make a go around.
- On a second attempt the plane went down. Possibly it ran out of fuel because there was no fire (pictures confirm this).
- At the time of this communication the Mexican Army and Air Force had not found the crash site.
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:40 am

Quoting Xtoler (Reply 7):
Do you remember that big American drug smuggler back in the late '70s, early '80s? His last name was Jung. He tried to get out too, but wound up doing it again anyway, and if he's not dead yet, I'm pretty sure he's still in jail.

There is a movie called Blow that is about him, he's played by Johnny Depp and Penelope Cruz is in it also. Good movie. They stole a Cessna in the movie, landing was great, as in bouncing....He is in jail till 2014 I believe.
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:46 am

6400 POUNDS? That's a lot of weight for a GII, isn't it (like 32 passengers)? That's also gotta be hundreds of millions of dollars of cocaine. Unreal.
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting D328 (Reply 9):

There is a movie called Blow that is about him, he's played by Johnny Depp and Penelope Cruz is in it also. Good movie. They stole a Cessna in the movie, landing was great, as in bouncing....He is in jail till 2014 I believe.

i thought he died in jail? or was it that his daughter never came to visit him..?
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:23 am

Wolflair

Do you have any id on the BAC 111.

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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:41 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 11):
i thought he died in jail? or was it that his daughter never came to visit him..?

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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:14 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 12):
Do you have any id on the BAC 111.

According to several press reports it was XB-KCE.

Again, sorry the link is spanish...
http://www.noticaribe.com.mx/cancun/...custodian_sospechosa_aeronave.html

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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:35 am

I'm glad the Mexican Air Force finally has the technology to detect this. They need a few more of those Embraer-recon airplanes to cover the whole area.
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:31 am

Quoting Juventus (Reply 15):
I'm glad the Mexican Air Force finally has the technology to detect this. They need a few more of those Embraer-recon airplanes to cover the whole area.

which brings another question to my mind, how do they detect something like this where they know they have drugs on the plane?
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:42 am

Quoting Wolflair (Reply 8):
Pilots were arrested and the a/c secured

Hope that doesnt mean the end of the aircraft - airworthy 111's are a rarity now and I know a lot of these aircraft just get broken up, I remember that happened to at least 2 Caravelle's when there were only about 10 or less still flying.

Quoting Wolflair (Reply 8):
The plane tried to land in the jungle (possible a clandestine runway)

I cant imagine the GII or 111 being ideal aircraft for such operations - in this case getting into the airstrip was obviously hard (he didnt make it) but id imagine getting out would be even harder, certainly when they are overloaded like this GII was.
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 16):
which brings another question to my mind, how do they detect something like this where they know they have drugs on the plane?

Good Question! What if it is a regular flight that was forced down?



BTW.... 200 million dollars (probably street value though) with one flight, I wonder what the pilots are getting paid.

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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:16 am

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 18):
BTW.... 200 million dollars (probably street value though) with one flight, I wonder what the pilots are getting paid.

i used to work with a guy that got busted for trying to smuggle drugs out of ecuador in a briefcase. Not a pilot, but i dont think he would do it, or anything like it, again for any amount of money. The stuff he went through in the prison down there in ecuador is some crazy stuff.
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:51 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 11):
i thought he died in jail? or was it that his daughter never came to visit him..?

According to Wikipedia (which can of course be inaccurate), he is still alive, and she did visit him a year after the film came out.
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 12:00 pm

exactly how was it forced down???
was the EMB-145 armed ???
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 1:06 pm

Quoting Juventus (Reply 15):
I'm glad the Mexican Air Force finally has the technology to detect this. They need a few more of those Embraer-recon airplanes to cover the whole area.

You'd think maybe the US of A could throw a few bucks that way instead of paying for drones to seek out a shadowy villian of 9/11 or a 12-foot fence along the border. If we worked with Mexico the same way we'd worked with Canada on the DEW line, we might have managed to keep the drug trade at a minimum in the 1980s.
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 3:34 pm

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 21):
exactly how was it forced down???
was the EMB-145 armed ???

Maybe like this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUrZbOzWhhk

I think it's a twin Cessna or something over Columbia and he's running for the border. He only has a few miles to go but he gets lit up by a Tucano. Chilling stuff.
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:32 pm

The aircraft is registered to:

Donna Blue Aircraft Inc.
Coconut Creek, FL

And since 1980 the plane was operated by Owens Illinois then sold to AGI Holiding Corp and then sold to S/A Holdings LLC and finally sold to Donna Blue Aircraft Inc.

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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:00 pm

Quoting Khobar (Reply 6):
I often wonder why these people don't take the first $200 million and just retire, like everyone else.

There is a GREAT movie called "The Layer Cake." It depicts a high-end London based cocaine dealer who plans on a nice cushy retirement. The "Boss" tells him, "You know why you cant retire? Because you make too much money... for people like me..." I was chilled when I heard that; because it makes such perfect sense.

Quoting Wolflair (Reply 8):
It was intercepted by the Mexican Air Force near Cancun (no information reg. the intercepting aircraft, probably a PC-7

I am glad to see the Mexican authorities taking more action against drug runners.

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 16):
which brings another question to my mind, how do they detect something like this where they know they have drugs on the plane?

GOOD intelligence I bet. Man, how scary would that be? A mole in a Colombian cartel... *Shudder.*
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 7:14 pm

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N987SA/history

Last (recorded) flight to Cancun on 18th Sept.

Odd that in its flight history it's listed as a G2 or GLF2 apart from the last flight where it's a G159 (Grumman Academe twin turboprop). Don't know how flightaware works, but it seems odd that the type can be changed like this....
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:01 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 2):
It was forced down.

Oh. Gee. That's. Just. Too. Bad.

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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:06 pm

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 16):
which brings another question to my mind, how do they detect something like this where they know they have drugs on the plane?

Usually these aircraft are flying without transponders, they may be flying at 1,000 ft or lower across the ocean to make them harder to spot on radar. That's why the airborne surveillance platforms are so useful.

There are two basic smuggling methods by aircraft.

The first is to fly a filed flight plan and carry only a small amount and try to get past inspections at the arrival airport. Sometimes they try to dump the cargo, either from the air at low altitude on final or on a remote part of the airport.

The second is to fly without a FP and transponder and try not to be detected. These aircraft usually will give a fake reg # if located. The reg # on the plane may even be blocked out. Another key tip off is if the flight crew refuses communication, or refuses to land at a nearby airport.

A legitimate flight will land and complain, threaten to sue, etc. A drug runner will try to evade.

Since penetrating the US has become harder, these folks are putting the planes into Mexico.

Once the authorities know what to look for - the planes are very easily identified - the hard part is locating them.
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:06 pm

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 27):
Odd that in its flight history it's listed as a G2 or GLF2 apart from the last flight where it's a G159 (Grumman Academe twin turboprop). Don't know how flightaware works, but it seems odd that the type can be changed like this....

Nothing out of the ordinary. It lists whatever aircraft type was punched into the flight plan. Sometimes hapless briefers make mistakes (G2 instead of GLF2). If it's a big deal, ATC will ask for clarification.
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 10:55 pm

I didn't think G2's had winglets??? Modification?
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Tue Sep 25, 2007 11:41 pm

I know the plane crashed, but I have to say "excellent work" to the authorities for this one.

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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 12:07 am

Quoting Warowl40 (Reply 32):
I didn't think G2's had winglets??? Modification?

The G II with winglets is probably a G IIB. IIRC, it's an aftermarket mod the came into existence after the G III was put into production. Also, IIRC, the G IIB had the G III's wing, so it's more than just a simple winglet addition.

Here's a listing of one for sale:

http://www.atlantajet.com/Aircraft/Gulfstream_GIIB_SN_004.htm
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:03 am

Quoting T prop (Reply 23):
Maybe like this guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUrZbOzWhhk

I think it's a twin Cessna or something over Columbia and he's running for the border. He only has a few miles to go but he gets lit up by a Tucano. Chilling stuff.

How are we allowed to "Shoot to Kill" ??? there is no conviction yet the pilot receives a death sentence? What if he was carrying some refugees, did they deserve to die?

This would never be allowed to happen over American soil, yet the DEA fully participates in this. This "WAR ON DRUGS" is bullsh!t and is just a waste of peoples hard earned tax dollars that accomplishes nothing at all! For every one plane caught or shot down there is another 50 that get through. Advantage = Drug lords. Not to mention corrupt US & Other officials that make fortunes out of ensuring this stuff gets through.

I have a simple plan, instead of wasting all this money "fighting drugs" put half of it to build an economy in Columbia. What will that accomplish? Foreign investment with plenty of potential, and the cocaine farmers will be able to make more money doing legit work!

That means a very quick end to the Cocaine industry, no farmers = no Coke! Simple. Instead of dumping millions into fighting drugs, which is next to useless, we have a peaceful solution that will benefit everyone.

But what am i hoping for? All diplomacy in North America seems to be gone! sad....
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:42 am

Hi Guys, according to the photo on the main post, and the N987SA, the colors used match both the crashed plane and the A.net dB picture. I am not sure it is XB-KBE. And besides, the N987SA has winglets and XB-KBE does not.

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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting Citation750x (Reply 36):
Hi Guys, according to the photo on the main post, and the N987SA, the colors used match both the crashed plane and the A.net dB picture. I am not sure it is XB-KBE. And besides, the N987SA has winglets and XB-KBE does not.

Huh? What has XB-KBE got to do with N987SA, the plane that crashed?

XB-KBE was brought into the conversation by some random, for no apparent reason other than for fun seemingly. XB-KBE has no relevance to this topic whatsoever and the post should be removed to avoid confusion imo.

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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting Citation750x (Reply 36):
Hi Guys, according to the photo on the main post, and the N987SA, the colors used match both the crashed plane and the A.net dB picture. I am not sure it is XB-KBE. And besides, the N987SA has winglets and XB-KBE does not.

XB-KCE is a BAC 111. The poster was referring to a different story that had to do with a separate drug bust with the BAC 111
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting RobK (Reply 37):
post should be removed to avoid confusion

You are right, it had nothing to do with the crashed drug run. It is confusing sometimes when people talk about an aircraft that has nothing to do with the topic.

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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting Oly720man (Reply 27):
Odd that in its flight history it's listed as a G2 or GLF2 apart from the last flight where it's a G159

The designation for the GII is a G1159, so I guess he left one "1" off there.

Quoting Warowl40 (Reply 32):
I didn't think G2's had winglets??? Modification?

Some came from the factory with wing tip fuel tanks, like an old Lear. The winglets came later down the road, as the GIII had them standard.

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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:22 am

Perhaps I have blurred things.

The BAC 111 (XB-KCE) is a separate but related issue arising from reply 8.

Please can you remove reply 24.
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 35):
How are we allowed to "Shoot to Kill" ??? there is no conviction yet the pilot receives a death sentence? What if he was carrying some refugees, did they deserve to die?

If you evade a plane that is intercepting you, then you run the risk of getting shot down or forced down. I think it is fair and reasonable. It's not like the pilot would have accidentally been shot down. He would have been evading a plane that was tracking him and trying methods to communicate. He's breaking the law and very well knows the possible consequences. In the video shown, the plane is obviously doing evasive maneuvers.

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 35):
This would never be allowed to happen over American soil, yet the DEA fully participates in this. This "WAR ON DRUGS" is bullsh!t and is just a waste of peoples hard earned tax dollars that accomplishes nothing at all! For every one plane caught or shot down there is another 50 that get through. Advantage = Drug lords. Not to mention corrupt US & Other officials that make fortunes out of ensuring this stuff gets through.

I guarantee that if a plane flies without a flight plan in a suspicious manner in the United States, it can get shot down. Try flying anywhere near the Washington DC no fly zone or one of the other areas in the country with no fly zones (most nuclear bases). You'll have a pair of F-16s on your ass very quickly and will get shot down if you don't respond to them. Now that would be more of a case of the War on Terrorism, but still I wouldn't be surprised if the US would shoot down a drug runner if they are being too suspicious and trying to evade authorities. There's no plane that drug runners have nowadays that will beat the National Guard. That's the point of the National Guard. The F-16 is designed to be able to fly at Mach 1.2 at an altitude of 200ft and climb to 50,000ft in less than a minute. Fortunately the drug runners don't have the resources to be buying military equipment on the black market.
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 2:54 am

Just making things clear:

- This post refers to N987SA crashing near MID as part of a drugs bust.
- Reportedly there were 4 souls on board. 2 were arrested. The pilot and a female companion fled the scene.
- As part of the discussion I mentioned that a few weeks ago a BAC 1-11, reg. XB-KCE was part of another bust in CUN.

This topic is all about the N987SA crash.
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:57 am

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 35):
How are we allowed to "Shoot to Kill" ??? there is no conviction yet the pilot receives a death sentence? What if he was carrying some refugees, did they deserve to die?

All the pilot has to do is land the plane as requested.

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 35):
This would never be allowed to happen over American soil

It has happened in the past many times over the US and will happen again in the future. Understand the plane was NOT shot down. They evaded authorities - the same as some kid on the freeway trying to escape from the police.

The US government forces many aircraft to land each year when they enter the US under suspicious circumstances or try to avoid customs airports. Some of those crash trying to make landings on unimproved fields or escape the tracking aircraft.

The crew in this case CHOSE to make a landing attempt in an open area without a hard surface runway and the plane broke apart. According to the story everyone onboard survived. But the crew are the ones who placed their lives in danger, not the authorities.
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:17 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 16):
which brings another question to my mind, how do they detect something like this where they know they have drugs on the plane?

Maybe because the suspect aircraft refuses to ID and there is no flight plan registered.
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:31 am

Quoting D328 (Reply 9):
There is a movie called Blow that is about him, he's played by Johnny Depp and Penelope Cruz is in it also. Good movie. They stole a Cessna in the movie, landing was great, as in bouncing....He is in jail till 2014 I believe.

Interestingly something only airplane geeks would notice but during a scene supposedly while in Central America (sometime in the 70s or 80s) there's what seems like a NW A320 in the background...

Quoting Wolflair (Reply 14):
According to several press reports it was XB-KCE.

No pics of that plane, I've seen a private Mexican -111 before that was stored at SFB recently. How many -111s still operating in Mexico?
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 4:57 am

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This is the BAC 111 at Orlando.

However this is not part of the main topic.
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:12 am

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 45):
This is the BAC 111 at Orlando..

yes that's the BAC, I actually have shots of it

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 45):
However this is not part of the main topic.

lol.. so what?
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:23 am

I just got my hand smacked by the moderators for straying off topic.
 
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:39 am

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 33):

I can only half agree with you on that. I do think the war on drugs is pretty much a waste of time and resources. Unfortunately trying to improve one's economy has been tried. Unfortunately, it just doesn't pay to be legitimate. Look at Afganistan for example. Their poppy production is doing quite well, despite efforts to try and eradicate it. We give aid and money to these impoverished countries but it all winds up in the wrong hands. Sort of like our tax money isn't going to where it's supposed to go. I digress, I don't want to be political, sorry about that.

Quoting Miamix707 (Reply 44):
Interestingly something only airplane geeks would notice but during a scene supposedly while in Central America (sometime in the 70s or 80s) there's what seems like a NW A320 in the background...

I just saw that movie last week, that's how I remembered that guy and reading all about it him in the papers back in high school. I thought I was seeing things, but I thought I saw something not quite right. Then again I was playing on this here computer at the time so I was only half paying attention. Good call.
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RE: N987SA Crashed Near MID

Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:13 am

Quoting Warowl40 (Reply 30):
I didn't think G2's had winglets??? Modification?



Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 32):
The G II with winglets is probably a G IIB.

Small addition to add regarding N987SA. This had the -SP conversion instead of the -B modification. The main visual difference with the two is that the -SP is a blended winglet whereas the -B is more of the Gulf 3 wingtip mod.


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The other, less common Gulfstream II model is the -TT, which as explained above, has the wingtip tanks like an older Lear Jet model. Phil Mickelson, the PGA Tour golfer, has one:


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