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British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:29 am

I was just reading this about BA launching 757 service from continental Europe to the US once Open Skies starts. In the article it mentions the newly refurbished 757s. Anyone read anything else about the 757 service?

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=10315
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:35 am

Should be two of their existing ETOPS 757's. Will operate initially from JFK. Im sure Paris has been excluded for now and is likely to be destinations in Germany ie FRA. It will NOT be an all business class service ala EOS.
 
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:39 am

Topic has been well covered in other threads; BA To Offer All Business/First Class Flights To US (by Gilesdavies May 20 2007 in Civil Aviation) New 757 Long Haul Routes For BA (by MasseyBrown Aug 16 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:07 am

Does anybody have a link to the DOT approval for those routes from JFK on BA?

According to one of those posts, DOT already approved it, but I can't find it in their website.
 
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:29 am

The two Hubs in Europe will be LBG and BRU im told...
 
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 7:31 am

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 3):
Does anybody have a link to the DOT approval for those routes from JFK on BA?
According to one of those posts, DOT already approved it, but I can't find it in their website.

Flights are allowed under the EU openskies agreement.
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 8:03 am

My apologizes for the duplicate thread, when searching I saw only when they started, which was years ago.

Anyway... Walsh states that they are in search of Americans for these new routes, using their leverage of a strong brand in the U.S. If this turn out not to be an all premium product, then it seems as though DL would have the most to lose in this with BA's JFK expansion. American will be able to get feed and potentially carry passengers on one part of the roundtrip. Delta will have to contend with added pricing competition and depending on your opinions, also competing with an inferior product (depending on what head-to-head aircraft and IFE to be installed on BA).
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:09 am

I have read on internal BA chat forums that the first likely routes are ORY-JFK and BRU-JFK  Wink
 
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:19 am

BA was running 757s across the Atlantic in 1988.
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:27 am

1998? wow thats very cool and apparently "trend" setting  Smile

what routes? how were they received?

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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 11:40 am

Quoting Hmmmm... (Reply 8):
BA was running 757s across the Atlantic in 1988.



Quoting Nycbjr (Reply 9):
1998? wow thats very cool and apparently "trend" setting Smile

what routes? how were they received?

1988

I believe these were from regional UK destinations, like BHX, MAN or GLA/EDI to JFK and the like. Before they shrank back to be London Airways.


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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 3:25 pm

Quoting Xkorpyoh (Reply 3):
Does anybody have a link to the DOT approval for those routes from JFK on BA?

See http://dmses.dot.gov/docimages/pdf101/474727_web.pdf

or search for the entire docket (28149) here: http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchFormSimple.cfm
 
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:04 pm

They had lots of problems with the crews operating the 757's transatlantically back in the old days which didnt help the success of the programme. The crews felt the conditions and rest facilities provided on board were less than they found acceptable. Maybe crewing these new flights from US crews may overcome this problem.

It has now been confirmed however that this will not be an all premium product. Quotes from Directors saying such have appeared here over the last few weeks.
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:19 pm

As far as I know it is still under debate with the team setting it up how the airline will take shape.

[Edited 2007-09-26 10:22:05]
 
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:28 pm

Quoting APYu (Reply 12):
It has now been confirmed however that this will not be an all premium product. Quotes from Directors saying such have appeared here over the last few weeks.

Will they offer World Traveller cabin? I thought the least they offered was WTP... did they change their minds?
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 5:36 pm

Quoting BY738 (Reply 1):
Im sure Paris has been excluded for now

Why has Paris been excluded for now?
 
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 6:13 pm

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 10):
I believe these were from regional UK destinations, like BHX, MAN or GLA/EDI to JFK and the like.

They were from BHX and GLA to JFK and YYZ. No flights from EDI and MAN has for the main part been a 763 to JFK. I can't remember now whether BA 757s also served BOS from GLA.
 
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:17 pm

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 16):
I can't remember now whether BA 757s also served BOS from GLA.

I believe the GLA to JFK flight carried on to BOS.

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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:34 pm

Quoting Panamair (Reply 15):
Quoting APYu (Reply 12):
It has now been confirmed however that this will not be an all premium product. Quotes from Directors saying such have appeared here over the last few weeks.

Will they offer World Traveller cabin? I thought the least they offered was WTP... did they change their minds?

I'm not sure what non premium cabins are being considered to fill up the rest. Could the following config work?

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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting SNATH (Reply 17):
I believe the GLA to JFK flight carried on to BOS.

Yes, BA served JFK and BOS from GLA 5 times weekly using one 757. From BHX, BA served JFK and YYZ gain using 757. MAN has never seen a transatlantic 757. JFK, EWR and LAX were operated by L10s or 767s...

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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:38 pm

Quoting MainMAN (Reply 16):
They were from BHX and GLA to JFK and YYZ. No flights from EDI and MAN has for the main part been a 763 to JFK. I can't remember now whether BA 757s also served BOS from GLA.

Thanks for that, as I said I wasn't sure, so it's nice to be corrected  Smile
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 19):
MAN has never seen a transatlantic 757. JFK, EWR and LAX were operated by L10s or 767s...

Actually, MAN did get the 757 for certain periods. I used to work on them. G-BPEC and G-BPEE. The three 767s that used to be 'based' at MAN when the LAX route operated where G-BNWN, G-BNWO and G-BNWU. G-BNWU remained at MAN after the other two left, then G-BNWH was used for a long period, and now it gets rotated through LHR as required for maintenance, therefore more of the ETOPS 767 fleet visits. G-BNWH was also used by the Queen on quite a few Royal trips before the 777s started to be used.
 
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:11 am

Quoting APYu (Reply 18):
42Y

I can't see there being a Y cabin on these flights, it strikes me there will probably be WT+ and a Club World Variation. I think BA are looking to appeal to the business passengers and the like.

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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Thu Sep 27, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting APYu (Reply 12):
It has now been confirmed however that this will not be an all premium product. Quotes from Directors saying such have appeared here over the last few weeks.

Yes I agree, I have seen that it will have three classes, Club World WT+ and WT. Also two BA B757 will be fitted with Winglets and service will start 14 May JFK to BRU AMS and ORY.
The two aircraft nominated are PEJ and PEK.
BA is seeking B757 to replace these two for European routes.
Fleet will increase to 6 aircraft on these three routes.
Maintenance may be at SN Technics at BRU.

Sorry no quote available, just heard around work, but seems very positive.
 
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Thu Sep 27, 2007 2:15 am

I remember Ba running a 757 service from Birmingham to Newark in the late '90's as well, we used to takeoff just before them.
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:08 am

Quoting BA787 (Reply 22):
I can't see there being a Y cabin on these flights, it strikes me there will probably be WT+ and a Club World Variation. I think BA are looking to appeal to the business passengers and the like

While being aimed primarily at the business market, to make such routes viable, I imagine chucking in a few cheap seats helps to increase awareness of the BA brand on these new routes and in markets where BA would not have been previously a player
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting Max Q (Reply 24):
Ba running a 757 service from Birmingham to Newark

Wasnt it always JFK ?
 
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RE: British Airways 757 Transatlantic

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting BY738 (Reply 26):
Quoting Max Q (Reply 24):
Ba running a 757 service from Birmingham to Newark

Wasnt it always JFK ?

It was JFK which was an intermediate stop BHX-JFK-YYZ.

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