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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:56 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 26):
Well, nice orders for both Airbus and Boeing. More A380s and options (who said nobody takes Airbus options?) than many predicted.

And far far less the others did. As Forbes pointed out above, this should have been a crown jewel moment, but loosing the 767 replacement market to the 787 and not committing to replace all of their 744s makes this a positive moment for a program that otherwise is in trouble.


Way to go Airbus... Now just get the 300 remaining orders you need to break even.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 159):
Where will they use these A380s? HKG? SYD? SIN? DXB? PVG?

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...aul-routes-and-delivery-dates.html

Although the spokeswoman says that the configuration and network for the A380s and 787s is yet to be detailed, she lists Los Angeles, San Francisco, Singapore, Hong Kong, Johannesburg and BA’s Indian destinations as likely A380 routes. But she stresses that these are “not set in stone”.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:58 am

What a great choice of aircrafts!!!!

The 787 and the 380 to replace the old fleet of Boeing 767's and first Boeing 747-400's.

I don't know if British Airways, due to the introduction of new aircrafts, will change its livery. Would be interesting. Here I post a fake photo of what will be the A380 in BA colours...

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:04 am

Although the present orders do not include the 747-8, I would certainly not rule it out for BA anytime soon. For some of their routes, the 787 would be too small (despite increased frequency if decided by the airline), also, I think the A380's would be too large and lose out on economics to the 747-8 on some routes.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 198):
Interesting article (in Forbes) titled "British Airways Can't Save Airbus".

But then, a 12 frame 747-8I order couldn't save Boeing, either, so it's a wash.

BA will buy more 787s (especially if chosen as their eventual 777 replacement) then they will buy A380s or 747-8Is, so the VLA order, while nothing to dismiss out of hand for both actual value and perceived "prestige", won't be as important in the long run for Boeing or Airbus as the non-VLA order will be.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting RIX (Reply 194):

- to elaborate that in couple of decades 350 (or 787) will not be a suitable fleet renewal option? No, don't care

Oh, your previous statement suggested otherwise. Make up you rmind.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:16 am

Some still do not get it.
Give it up, in a poorly titled thread recently, I listed every BA order for 30 years, enough to demolish this whole political crap.
A thread based on a speculative report in a paper that last year, made serious and wrong safety allegations against BA, who once had a reporter 'see' a bit fall off a Concorde, (but it was a 757!)

Let's be clear, 747-8 is out, only one large 4 engine type was ever going to be ordered.
The 4 remaining 777 options, have been converted to 787 places.

Routes planned as being potential for A380 include LAX, SIN, Jo'Berg, SFO, HKG and Indian routes.

Still, some of you keep telling yourselves this was political....that would explain the A350 order today then.

And yes, Walsh has a sense of humour, he's been playing with the press on this a bit recently!
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:20 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 180):
a vote of no confidence in the I Wanna Be Like MikeLiner.

I assume you mean the 747-8i by that?  Wink

If you are referring to the A350, how is this a 'vote of no confidence' for the A350? Even in its press release, BA clearly leaves the door WIDE open for an A350 order to replace the rest of the 744 and possibly the 777. This was only 'part one' of their replacement process. In fact, with the 747-8 apparently ruled out, I'd say there a very good chance for the next phase to feature a substantial order for A350s...
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 118):
I told you weeks ago this would an order for Airbus. If you recall, the government was putting substantial pressure on BA to order Airbus to preserve european/Brittish jobs.

And where's the piece of evidence that BA indeed acted as (allegedly) ordered? After years I'm still waiting for anyone to prove that LH's orders are politically motivated, as so often claimed...maybe we finally get to see facts in BA's case?

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 118):
I am quite frankly surprised (but pleased) Boeing got any orders at all.

So you really expected BA to order a large type such as the A350 to replace the B767?

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 198):
Interesting article:
http://www.forbes.com/markets/2007/0...ts-equity-cx_ll_0927markets08.html

What's the big deal with that article?

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 201):
Way to go Airbus... Now just get the 300 remaining orders you need to break even.

Which is well-known to everyone who follows aviation news. It has been clear all the time that a BA order wouldn't turn the program around. So what?


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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:26 am

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 208):
In fact, with the 747-8 apparently ruled out, I'd say there a very good chance for the next phase to feature a substantial order for A350s...

On the flip side, with the 787-8 and 787-9 already "in the door" and with BA joining the 787-10 "build it and we will buy" club, I'd say there is also a very good chance that the 787 will become BA's two-engine widebody family.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:32 am

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 209):
And where's the piece of evidence that BA indeed acted as (allegedly) ordered? After years I'm still waiting for anyone to prove that LH's orders are politically motivated, as so often claimed...maybe we finally get to see facts in BA's case?

As a follow up to PH's comments, I'm convinced that BA simply got the best deal. Here's a link to an article noting the great discount they got from Airbus. Nothing "black and white", like a number, but it's a safe bet they didn't pay list for either aircraft!

http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/09/27/business/ba.php

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Analysts said BA had probably received significant discounts as Boeing and Airbus battled for the high-profile orders.
"With the A380 likely to have been heavily discounted," said the analyst Andrew Fitchie at Collins Stewart, "and a reasonable discount on 24 787s also applied, we'd estimate the real value of the order at around £3 billion," or $6 billion.
Walsh declined to discuss discounts, common in the industry, but said, "I'm very pleased with the way Boeing and Airbus approached this."
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:35 am

Unless the governments accused of this are underwriting the direct operating costs of the fleet purchases, this whole "politics" thing is a red herring and, in my eyes, little more then spin to try and justify why an EU airline bought Airbus or a US/Japanese airline bought Boeing.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:36 am

Well I'll join a few people and admit that I was wrong about the A380 - I thought maybe an order later but not now. 787 no surprise tho', right size and right plane for the 767 replacement and to balance the size growth of the A380 a little. BA are going to have quite a flexible long-haul fleet with the ability to move capacity quite a bit depending on demand/seasons, etc.

So, is the 748i dead for BA? I suspect so.... If for no other reason that it is not quoted on the list for the next round of replacements - the first time it has been excluded. As for 787-10/A350/773 - who knows but BA have given time for both Airbus and Boeing to firm up plans for the stretch versions of both a/c.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:38 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 211):
but it's a safe bet they didn't pay list for either aircraft!

That's an old hat, nobody does these days. I'm sure Airbus and Boeing still got a satisfactory deal.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:40 am

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 37):
Japanese are still silent, there Cathay and KLM and we'll see about BA, too

Well i dont see any JAL or ANA ordering as they look like they are moving towards 2 engine aircraft as Japan airports look more in the way of 2 engines only aircraft.


This seems to be a very small number for BA i think and i would of expected more of an order from BA for the replacement of their long haul fleet.
Those 744s are not that old but by the time they get around to ordering replacements they will have to maybe wait a while....
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 210):
On the flip side, with the 787-8 and 787-9 already "in the door" and with BA joining the 787-10 "build it and we will buy" club, I'd say there is also a very good chance that the 787 will become BA's two-engine widebody family.

Yes, on the other hand, until today most people thought that the 747-8i was BA's "build it and we'll buy it" plane. As for the 787-10, it has a very good shot, it would make an ideal 772 replacement, but it is still not big enough to be a 744 replacement.

At least BA made sure that even after this long awaited order, there will be even more to talk about, for us A.netters.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 210):
I'd say there is also a very good chance that the 787 will become BA's two-engine widebody family.

Sure, but I don't see them replacing the 744s with 787-10s. They'll need something between the 787 and the A380. With the 747-8 apparently ruled out, that leaves the 773ER and the A350. With the 773ER being GE-powered, the A350 being promised to outperform the 773ER by quite a margin, and BA not being in a hurry to get the replacements, I'd say the odds look pretty good for the A350.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:58 am

Quoting Bringiton (Reply 9):
Sad to see the 748 loose out



Quoting Bringiton (Reply 9):
The 748 will have to find other customers



Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 33):
Does it mean they are not considering 748?



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 86):
Very, very dissapointed that BA has decided not to order any 748's



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but the benefit of the 748 at BA may not be there

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting Vega (Reply 3):
Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways has today placed an order for 12 Airbus A380 and 24 Boeing 787
aircraft with options for a further seven Airbus A380s and18 Boeing 787s.

I think that after the above announcement, the answer to the following is obviously the 350. If for no other reason than to maintain EURO political relationships.

Sorry if this has been said somewhere in the previous 200+ posts.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:01 am

Brilliant news, and another incentive to try and work for them!

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting Dougloid (Reply 180):
One for saving a program from the crapper for a while and the other a vindication of what we already knew and a vote of no confidence in the I Wanna Be Like MikeLiner.

But they didn't order the B747-8i so it hasn't been saved from the crapper although I suppose the lack of a B748i order could be construed as a vote of no confidence by BA, so you're correct on one count!!!  Wink
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 216):
Yes, on the other hand, until today most people thought that the 747-8i was BA's "build it and we'll buy it" plane. As for the 787-10, it has a very good shot, it would make an ideal 772 replacement, but it is still not big enough to be a 744 replacement.



Quoting Scorpio (Reply 217):
Sure, but I don't see them replacing the 744s with 787-10s. They'll need something between the 787 and the A380. With the 747-8 apparently ruled out, that leaves the 773ER and the A350. With the 773ER being GE-powered, the A350 being promised to outperform the 773ER by quite a margin, and BA not being in a hurry to get the replacements, I'd say the odds look pretty good for the A350.

Do not forget the 787-11, which is not a "stretch" (excuse the pun) for the 787 airframe and would be as good a fit as the 777-300ER and A350-1000 in bridging the "capacity gap" between the 787-10/A350-900 and A380-800.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:15 am

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 206):
to elaborate that in couple of decades 350 (or 787) will not be a suitable fleet renewal option? No, don't care

Oh, your previous statement suggested otherwise. Make up you rmind.

- none of my statements suggested either of 787 or 350 will be a good option for fleet renewal in 2 decades from now. "Don't care to elaborate" means, nothing to explain here as it's as clear as it can be.

Quoting Scorpio (Reply 217):
I don't see them replacing the 744s with 787-10s. They'll need something between the 787 and the A380. With the 747-8 apparently ruled out, that leaves the 773ER and the A350.

- 787 has same growth potential as 350. IMO, Boeing should do it aggressively, making new wing for 78A/B, to make it true one-to-one 350 competitor. Then, Airbus should work on "light" 350, not to miss entirely huge market of coming 767 replacements. The point is, 788/9 hit the market at absolutely right time, with Airbus nothing to offer. While when 350 is ready to shine, Boeing must have their version of larger twin, so present "350 is bigger than 787" is in past. And they have plenty of time for it. [Edit:] Funny, but 78A/B may be available before 35A, even more advanced than it is now, based already on experience of years of basic models operation.

[Edited 2007-09-27 20:19:32]
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:21 am

Fantastic news for Airbus and Boeing.

Its also good to know that the B787 can be used on both short and long haul routes,so my guess that the second announced aircraft order due could be more B787s plus the Boeing 777-300s?,i could be wrong here but you never know,so i'l stick to that and find out when the next long haul order is announced in 2008.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:38 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 210):
Nothing "black and white", like a number, but it's a safe bet they didn't pay list for either aircraft!

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 199):
This must be a bit of a blow to the 747-8 program. Does not even look like BA is considering the 747-8 as a 744 replacement. Hopefully when the U.S. 747 operators start renewing their fleets, they will consider the 747-8.

But isn't this the whole reason Boeing chose not to go with a VLA? Boeing noticed that most operators were replacing their 747's with 777's?
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:46 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 221):
Do not forget the 787-11, which is not a "stretch" (excuse the pun) for the 787 airframe and would be as good a fit as the 777-300ER and A350-1000 in bridging the "capacity gap" between the 787-10/A350-900 and A380-800.

Has this been officially announced? To me if it isnt a stretch (ie they change the cross section) isn't it a new type of aircraft? Is this the same as Y3?
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:46 am

Quoting PM (Reply 84):

Meanwhile, another 100 Trents for RR. Ho hum. Another day, another order for 100 big fans...

This is a huge deal for RR!  Smile Congrats to them.  bigthumbsup 

Quoting PM (Reply 79):
But 8 out of 14 airline customers have now chosen RR against just 3 for the GE/PW EA alternative.

Sigh... you had to rub it in.  Sad Seriously, on the A380, RR has sold enough to break even on the Trent 900 and even make a little profit.

The GP7200, mostly thanks to the huge EK orders, is doing ok, but shouldn't quite yet be in the black. If they hadn't lost the Fedex and UPS orders (due to delays), this would be a true 'horse race' (105 to 102 airframes with each engine). Alas, its now 105 to 82, in favor of RR.  Sad EK, with its 55 orders, dominates the GP7200 order book.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Airbus_A380_orders
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting Kaneporta1 (Reply 215):
until today most people thought that the 747-8i was BA's "build it and we'll buy it" plane

That's a misconception. If, then the 747-8I is LH's "build it and we'll buy it" plane.  Wink

Anyway, sad to hear that the 747-8I did not make the cut at BA, but nevertheless, congrats to BA, Boeing and Airbus for the 787 and A380 order. This is probably a bigger win for Airbus than it is for Boeing, as this puts Airbus finally in play for future widebody orders from BA.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:54 am

WOW!! Beautiful,this makes my day!  Smile This was a important order for Airbus to win. Congratulations to BA,Airbus and Boeing.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:59 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 222):
Do not forget the 787-11, which is not a "stretch" (excuse the pun) for the 787 airframe and would be as good a fit as the 777-300ER and A350-1000 in bridging the "capacity gap" between the 787-10/A350-900 and A380-800.

How can you forget something that doesn't exist?

Many here have speculated that it is a possible development, or even a likely development, but we can barely get Boeing to tell us what the 787-10 is.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:59 am

Great win for everyone!

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:01 am

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 228):
Anyway, sad to hear that the 747-8I did not make the cut at BA, but nevertheless, congrats to BA, Boeing and Airbus for the 787 and A380 order. This is probably a bigger win for Airbus than it is for Boeing, as this puts Airbus finally in play for future widebody orders from BA.

and also suggests boeing is in the running for future widebody orders too...
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:09 am

Congratulations to both A & B. Both A380 and B787 will serve BA well.

This is only the start of BA's long haul fleet replacement. I would expect they have plotted out their plan to replace all their current Long Haul fleet and will have plans for future orders already. They will however put decision gates into their long term plans that will be influenced by manufacturer unit costs and field performance of in service aircraft.

My expectation for BA future fleet remains the same. I don't expect BA to order any more B747-8 or B777. They are now moving their fleet onto the next generation of long haul aircraft.
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BA fleet 2010
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BA fleet 2025
30 B787-800
30 B787-900
30 A350-900/R
30 A350-1000
30 A380-800
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:15 am

Btw, there seems to be some suprise at the relatively smaler size of the A380 order.

Don't forget, BA operates in the real world, there's no rich government or oil money to write it's cheques...especially it's anti competition fines! BA's original 744 order was for only 16 firm frames I recall, and there's nothing to stop BA topping up it's order, as it's done with both the 744 and 772 fleets.

As for WW saying "British is Best", that's obviously a throwaway line to get a good headline in the UK press. As a proud Irishman, I'm sure he's not suggesting that Dublin becomes subservient to London again  Wink
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:21 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 234):
Btw, there seems to be some suprise at the relatively smaler size of the A380 order.

I'm not supprised. They have to find the funding which will impact EBIT and share/stock value for years to come. I would expect it will take them 15 years to replace their long haul fleet.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:22 am

Quoting FlyABR (Reply 232):
and also suggests boeing is in the running for future widebody orders too...

But more importantly, it's Airbus's breakthrough into the longhaul game at BA. Remember: until now, BA has not operated a single Airbus widebody, having operated only Boeing, Douglas and Lockheed widebodies in the past. That will change by the time the first A380 is delivered.  Wink
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:24 am

I KNEW IT!!!! THE 748I is DEAD... People just would not accept the fact that the 748I does not allow BA to grow. I love the 748, but facts are facts, BA went 380, CX will go 380, as will all other 744 operators (or 777/330). I hope people stop trying to be foolishly optimistic about the 748I program. IT IS DEAD. Anyways good for airbus, not the prettiest plane, but it serve a purpose.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:25 am

This order comes as no surprise but its great news all round for both aircraft manufacturers and for Rolls Royce.
There was a write up in Aircraft Illustrated some months ago about the choice that BA would likely opt for and they were spot on.
Latest news is that the engine orders for RR are worth £2.4 billion pounds. A great day for the East Midlands Area and for the employees of RR. Should keep 'em in work for years to come  biggrin  .

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:45 am

Still looking forward to an answer by our dear lkramerica, it'll make for some good fun!
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:52 am

What I think is most telling is the 2:1 ratio of smaller-than-747 replacement.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:55 am

Quoting N1786b (Reply 40):
Now what does this order say about the A350? This is more that just a simple setback for the A350. You'd think that AB was trying to flip BA like they did SAA a while back. You know, a package deal - Along with the A380s, a bunch of A350s to replace the 767s and the 777s.... Willie did it when he was at Aer Lingus but it didn't work this time.

Nice spin, but last time I checked, the A350 was still in the race to replace the remainder of the 744.
Oh, but yeah, Airbus can't sell planes unless they do "2 for the price of 1" deals or something of the like, no?.  Yeah sure

Congrats to Airbus and Boeing, by the way. A win-win deal indeed.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:10 am

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 217):
Quoting Col (Reply 152):
but the benefit of the 748 at BA may not be there


I was refering to the 748 Quad, not twin. Classic anyway, love those budgies. My one claim to fame is being invited to the 748 replacement (ATP) first flight back in August 86!


Following this order, what is going to happen with all those RR 763ER's coming out of service???? RAF are going 330TT, so nothing going on there.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:14 am

787 seemed a given.

Did not figure the A380 order. So congrats to Airbus and fans. I really figured BA would go with the other dinosaur.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:17 am

Quoting Insiderinfo (Reply 191):
we haven't seen the last of this first order yet.....

its just to get things rolling for now..keep all the rumours at bay..

Of course we have seen the last of this 1st order. Its quite clear in terms of firm orders and options, taking BA through the next few years. BA will then negotiate with both suppliers before placing any future orders. They will of course take into consideration the aircraft ordered today, which would likely influence the decision if they need more planes in their particular size category; but i'm sure it won't be allowed to overly influence the decision, as A or B could take advantage of such a policy, and keep their prices up.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 209):
and with BA joining the 787-10 "build it and we will buy" club,



How exactly do you justify this statement ?
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:41 am

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 237):
I KNEW IT!!!! THE 748I is DEAD.

Careful. The fat lady has not sang. In fact she isn't even warming up.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:44 am

Hi folks, I´ve been not on the site today. Discussing it for 6 years & when the deal finally happens I´m off.. Good news. I guess I and many others reached the conclusion it would be A380 and 787. Also the shortlisted tapes seem rational & expected.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:51 am

Is there any reason to believe that BA is not being coy? As in, trying to get
Boeing to offer a lower price on the 748i? Because so many good arguments
were made for the 748i in BA's fleet that Boeing may have not offered deep
cuts because they believed they had a good case. The second reason for
this viewpoint is that if BA decides later for the 748i, there isn't a huge backlog
to wait for the planes -- at least not right now. If LH starts flying them and posting
real performance data, things *could* change very fast.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting an mesage seen on pprune and attributed to Willie Walsh, on an internal mail to all BA employees.

FROM: Willie Walsh, Chief Executive

TO: All mail users


We have today placed an order for 12 Airbus A380 aircraft and 24 Boeing 787 aircraft with options for a further seven Airbus A380s and 18 Boeing 787s.

Environmental factors were a key consideration in our order, the largest since 1998. The aircraft we have selected are greener and quieter, with both the A380 and B787 rated as producing a quarter of the noise level of the B747-400.

They are also more fuel efficient with significantly lower carbon dioxide emissions and reduced impact on local air quality. They will contribute significantly to our target of improving fuel efficiency by 25 per cent between 2005 and 2025.

In terms of CO2 emissions per seat, the A380’s performance will be 17 per cent cleaner than the Boeing 747-400’s, and the B787’s performance 30 per cent cleaner than the B767’s. In terms of NOx emissions, an A380 produces 10 per cent less than a B747-400, and a B787 produces 46 per cent less than a B767.

At the same time we have announced that Rolls-Royce engines will power both aircraft types. The A380s will be powered by Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engines and the B787s will be powered by Rolls-Royce Trent 1000 engines. The engine order includes a lifetime maintenance contract.

The aircraft we have ordered will replace 34 of our longhaul fleet - 20 B747-400s and 14 longhaul B767s - and will be delivered between 2010 and 2014.

Today’s announcement reflects the considerable work we have undertaken in recent years to strengthen our cost base, resolving the NAPS pension deficit, reducing debt, returning to an investment grade credit rating and making significant progress towards our goal of a 10 per cent operating margin.

Modernising our fleet also demonstrates our on-going commitment to providing the best travel experience possible. We have renewed our award-winning Club World cabin, introduced a new inflight entertainment system and continue to make improvements to ba.com. Next year we will have the best airport experience in the world with the opening of Terminal 5 and within a few years we will boast one of the youngest aircraft fleets in the sky.

Today’s order, including options, also gives us the ability to grow capacity by up to four per cent per year and the flexibility to tailor future capacity growth in line with market conditions.

The A380 will be used to provide more capacity for the airline’s key high-density markets and maximise use of scarce Heathrow slots. The B787 will be used to start new routes and increase frequencies in existing markets.

Following today’s order we are continuing to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace our remaining B747-400 aircraft and are examining the B787-10, B777-300 ER and A350XWB.


If indeed from Willie, the last paragraph is very clear about the B747-8i role (or lack off, actually) in BA future plans

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:58 am

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 4):
Does that imply that the 748i is no longer on the radar for BA?

I think Boeing dashed all hopes of a BA 748 order the second they decided to give GE the exclusive powerplant on the bird...  Sad
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