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WINGS
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:17 pm

Congratulations to both Airbus and Boeing on this long awaited order.

From what I can conclude it seems that Airbus has managed to come out on top of this situation despite the A350XWB not have been chosen, even though the A350-800 is not a really good 767 replacement. While it seems that the 748i has been ruled out for future acquisition, it seems that the door is still wide open for the A350XWB to replace both the BA's 777 fleet and remaining 744 fleet.

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00006356.jpg

AIRBUS A380 CUSTOMERS:

Air France x 12
British Airways x 12
China Southern x 5
Emirates x 55
Etihad x 4
ILFC x 10
Kingfisher x 5
Korean Air x 5
Lufthansa x 15
Malaysian Airlines x 6
Private Customer x 1 (Flying Palace)
Qantas x 20
Qatar x 5
Singapore Airlines x 19
Thai International x 6
Virgin Atlantic x 6

Total: 186 frames


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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:18 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 47):
HKG: 1 x A380

They currently have 3x 744. That would be a huge downgrade.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 47):
LAX: 1 x A380 + 1 x B777

No. LAX is too busy for that. They have 2 flights in the winter, and 3 in the summer. I expect that to stay.

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 47):
JFK: 1 x A380 + 5/6 B777/B787 daily

No point in flying just 1 A380. You might as well make it all 777/787.


Also, no point in going from 2x 744 to 1x A380 and 1x 777. That defeats the purpose of the A380.
How about:

LAX: 2x A380
SIN/SYD: 2x A380
JNB: 1x A380 + 1x B744
HKG: 2x A380 + 1x B744
NRT: 1 x A380 + 1 B744
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:18 pm

Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 48):
I think its more than that. They are considering the 77W with GE engines.

Not seriously imo as they previously ruled it out. Why would you order 773 with GE if XWB-1000 with RR is there?
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:20 pm

Airbus is saying nothing about the BA A380 order. Not yet, unlike Boeing.com

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 47):
Fantastic

At least, fortunately this time was like a joke, no seriously.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:21 pm

Quoting Vega (Reply 3):
I think that after the above announcement, the answer to the following is obviously the 350. If for no other reason than to maintain EURO political relationships.



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
And despite what some claim, the pressure politically to order the RR powered A380 with
British wings was also a factor.

Some people still don't quite grasp that BA placed their orders based on the original stated requirements (replacement of longhaul 767's and early 744's) and made a purely economic decision in both categories. If the decision had been political as claimed it would have been A330's or A350's insted of the 787.

Quoting Swallow (Reply 25):
The RFP was to replace 14 767, so 24 787 is quite an increase in capacity. Does any one know the split between the 788 and the 789?

I can't comment regarding the split, but assume that the increase from 14 to 24 is connected with the proposed launch of services to the USA from major European cities.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:22 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 53):

Those titles look just too big IMO  Yeah sure

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 54):
Also, no point in going from 2x 744 to 1x A380 and 1x 777. That defeats the purpose of the A380.

Even Given how BA configure their 744s with as little as 290 odd seats?
Could BA be the first A380 operator to have less than 400 seats in it?

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 54):

LAX: 2x A380
SIN/SYD: 2x A380
JNB: 1x A380 + 1x B744
HKG: 2x A380 + 1x B744
NRT: 1 x A380 + 1 B744

2 x Daily SIN/SYD takes up 6 A380s alone LAX would be another 3/4. HKG the same.
You would need to be using the options to sustain that sort of level.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:25 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
BTW - the statement about noise is absolute bull. The A380 does not produce 1/4 the noise of a 744, nor does the 787. I was right under an A380 when it landed at LAX, right after a UA 744, and I could not tell the difference in noise level. They just had a different sound. On takeoff I am sure they are quieter than the 744, but 1/4 is nonsense. The A380 is not 20dB quieter.

Ikramerica, back to school - see this illustration, and you know why


The Decibel scale is logarithmic. More about the Decibels here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:28 pm

Quoting N1786b (Reply 43):
Because Willie Walsh believes "British is best," the unavailability of RR engines on the 748i had to hurt. OTOH, "Vindicating its product strategy" is very pompous indeed considering they ordered the 787 instead of the A350. Now what does this order say about the A350?

Nothing in particular

Quoting WINGS (Reply 53):
While it seems that the 748i has been ruled out for future acquisition, it seems that the door is still wide open for the A350XWB to replace both the BA's 777 fleet and remaining 744 fleet.

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BA always said that this round of orders was to replace SOME 747's and the 767's.
The aircraft ordered seem to reflect this.
The A350XWB's chance will come (although BA already operating the 787 has to give that plane the edge, IMO)
Sad to see that WW ordered the A380 because "British is Best"  Yeah sure
But VERY inevitable........  yes 

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:31 pm

How about this:

747-400: QC2 upon landing
A380-800: QC0.5 upon landing.

Not really 1/4 of the noise, but 1/4 of the QC.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:31 pm

Quoting N1786b (Reply 43):
Because Willie Walsh believes "British is best," the unavailability of RR engines on the 748i had to hurt.

Why would an Irishman with a reputation as a fairly ruthless businessman pusue a "British is best" policy ?
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:32 pm

Quoting TimRees (Reply 23):
Does Terminal 5 have airbridges for the A380?

Yes, it does have some (5?) dual airbridges IIRC
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:33 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 58):
2 x Daily SIN/SYD takes up 6 A380s alone LAX would be another 3/4. HKG the same.
You would need to be using the options to sustain that sort of level.

Yes, they will need to firm the options.

LAX: 2x A380 --==-- 4 planes
SIN/SYD: 2x A380 --==-- 6 planes
JNB: 1x A380 + 1x B744 --==-- 2 planes (A380s)
HKG: 2x A380 + 1x B744 --==-- 4 planes (A380s)
NRT: 1 x A380 + 1 B744 --==-- 2 planes (A380s)
+1 spare.

19 A380s total.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:35 pm

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 56):
Airbus is saying nothing about the BA A380 order

see reply 29
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:37 pm

Just a thought

I can't recall any of the so called insiders, who have made statements on the BA order in the past month or so mentioning 12 A380's & 24 787's
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:38 pm

Great news, for Airbus and Boeing. At least some very good news for Airbus. They needed this order. Now it will be interesting to see who will win the second round. The A350 could replace the 777 pretty well with much better efficiency but introducing a new type.
However if the 781 will be launched soon, it would make more sense to get some of them for commonality.

Altough the 747 is a fantastic plane which i admire for several reasons, but its time to move on after 30 years.

Can't wait to see the 787 and A380 in BA colours.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:38 pm

Awesome news for British Airways. And, yes, the 2010 deliveries of the first 787s show that Boeing isn't going to make long loyal customers wait for "Dreamliners", and I'm sure they'll be helping out others get 787s faster in the future.

I can definitely see the A380s going to Cape Town, Hong Kong, Johannesburg, Los Angeles, Miami, Singapore, Sydney, and Tokyo.
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:44 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 62):
Why would an Irishman with a reputation as a fairly ruthless businessman pusue a "British is best" policy ?

Dunno - ought to ask him....It is a quote.


He denied the company had experienced political pressure to buy the superjumbo, the wings and engines of which will be built in Britain.

"There was absolutely none," he told reporters. "There was no contact, be it formal or informal. The decision was made in the best interest of British Airways. In the engines, the choice of Rolls-Royce was because British is best."

http://biz.yahoo.com/rb/070927/britishairways.html?.v=5

-n1786b
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:47 pm

Im finding it odd there is no news on the Airbus website about the order, I can see the press release posted in reply 29, just not on there site???

Quote:

Boeing Statement on British Airways Fleet Selection

SEATTLE, Sept. 27, 2007 -- The Boeing Company [NYSE: BA] is honored that British Airways has selected the 787 Dreamliner as a key element of its long-haul fleet renewal.

The superior efficiency and economics of the 787 will directly contribute to British Airways' financial objectives. The advanced engines and cutting-edge design will significantly reduce CO2 emissions by 20 percent as well as significantly reduce community noise. The noise footprint of the 787 is more than 60 percent smaller than those of today's similarly sized airplanes. The unprecedented cabin environment of the Dreamliner will enable British Airways to offer breakthrough travel experiences for its passengers.

"Boeing has been a supplier and partner to British Airways for more than 50 years. We are honored that British Airways has chosen to join the 787 family of operators," said Marlin Dailey, vice president of Sales for Europe, Russia and Central Asia, Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

Boeing looks forward to finalizing the contractual details of British Airways' selection.

http://boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q3/070927b_nr.html
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:47 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 20):
But the fact that 748i is not available with RR engines puts two strikes against it: no engines built in England, no major structures built in the EU.

Interesting quote from Walsh on that subject:

Quote:

Mr Walsh said that his company came under no political pressure to choose either Airbus or UK firm Rolls Royce for the orders.

"There was no contact [from politicians], be it formal or informal," Mr Walsh told reporters.

"The decision was made in the best interest of British Airways. In the engines, the choice of Rolls Royce was because British is best."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7015621.stm
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:47 pm

They can still order the B 747-8 to replace their remaining B 747-8s. Who knows?
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:48 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 66):
I can't recall any of the so called insiders, who have made statements on the BA order in the past month or so mentioning 12 A380's & 24 787's

.. apart from the carl fellow mentioned in reply 46.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:49 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 72):
They can still order the B 747-8 to replace their remaining B 747-8s

Guess you meant "to replace their remaining 744's ?"
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:52 pm

Hi


As i see it the 748i has been ruled out for future:

BA says it will “continue to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace its remaining [Boeing] 747-400 aircraft and is examining the 787-10, 777-300ER and A350XWB”.


748i is even not mentioned...

The 787 is a good and expected win - 748i is a major blow, as I see it


Source: http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-airbus-a380s-and-boeing-787s.html


Regards

Steen


edit: typo

[Edited 2007-09-27 11:06:45]
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 5:55 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 68):
Awesome news for British Airways. And, yes, the 2010 deliveries of the first 787s show that Boeing isn't going to make long loyal customers wait for "Dreamliners", and I'm sure they'll be helping out others get 787s faster in the future.

The press release does not indicate which aircraft will be delivered in 2010. It just says that delivery will take place between 2010-2014.


I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that BA will most likely be the first British airline to operate the A380. Will be interesting to see how Sir Richard Branson reacts, and if Virgins A380 order remains in doubt, and if they are willing to loose out on a once in a life time PR opportunity.





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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:00 pm

Sorry I mean their remaining B 747-400s.

Quoting 797charter (Reply 75):
748i is even not montioned...

LH didn't mention the B 747-8 either but they ordered it at the end. Hope they will order some.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:14 pm

So how many British 787 operators now?
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Could Thomas Cook be next?
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:16 pm

Quoting N1786b (Reply 69):
"There was absolutely none," he told reporters. "There was no contact, be it formal or informal. The decision was made in the best interest of British Airways. In the engines, the choice of Rolls-Royce was because British is best."

This is where the difference in the use of English shows up. Wilie Walsh stated that BA chose Rolls Royce because in this instance their engine offer was superior thus British is Best

Here in the UK "British Is Best" is usually taken to be a jingoistic statement which reflects badly on centuries of colonial rule, and/or is a declaration that Uk mamnufacturers should be chosen before foreign ones, even if the foreign supplier has a better product.

Quoting DavidT (Reply 73):
Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 66):
I can't recall any of the so called insiders, who have made statements on the BA order in the past month or so mentioning 12 A380's & 24 787's

.. apart from the carl fellow mentioned in reply 46.



Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 46):
Quote:
A friend of mine who work internally in BA told me that they already made a decision, and according to him BA will go with
15 A380
26 787-800
30 A350-1000
15 A350-900

This prediction was probably just a pure guess involving nearly every potential choice, totalling 86 planes, as opposed to the 36 actually ordered, it was totally incorrect regarding the A350's, and incorrect in the quantity for the other two.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:18 pm

Well turns out like many predicted it will be a mixed order. I always thought BA were going to buy the A380, i believe it wil suit them very well, so will the 787.  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:24 pm

787 will start being delivered in 2010, the A380 will come in from 2012. A380 likely to do Indian routes as well. Frequency for JFK is most important to BA so I can't see the A380's operating there, at least not initially.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:28 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
And despite what some claim, the pressure politically to order the RR powered A380 with British wings was also a factor.

Here you go again and, as always, without a shred of evidence. Do you think if you repeat it often enough it'll become true?

Quoting N1786b (Reply 43):
This is more that just a simple setback for the A350.

It is no setback at all. There isn't an A350 that is a suitable replacement for the 767-300ER.

Quoting Skyhigh (Reply 52):
Are the RR engines the best fit for the A380 or is this a political move?

The accusation that it was political might stick if BA were going against the market. But 8 out of 14 airline customers have now chosen RR against just 3 for the GE/PW EA alternative. True, both UPS and FedEx also chose the EA but both have now cancelled.

Anyway, they were no doubt just bowing to political pressure - eh, Ikramerica?  Wink
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:33 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 79):
... it was totally incorrect regarding the A350's ...

Did you read the statement of BA?:

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways will continue to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace
its remaining B747-400 aircraft and is examining the B787-10, B777-300 ER and
A350XWB.



Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 79):
... and incorrect in the quantity for the other two. ...

So I wrote: "nearly"

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:37 pm

Quoting WINGS (Reply 76):
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned that BA will most likely be the first British airline to operate the A380. Will be interesting to see how Sir Richard Branson reacts, and if Virgins A380 order remains in doubt, and if they are willing to loose out on a once in a life time PR opportunity.

I wonder is VS will now decide that they're definitely having the A388 and maybe take a couple of the ILFC ones on lease to be sure that they beat BA to being first operator of the A380 in the UK?
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:43 pm

Hate to say it, but I called it right down the line - even down to the numbers.

Congrats BA and A/B!! Big grin
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:47 pm

Read in the seattle rimes article, this bit really cracks me up.

"But Boeing found 787 delivery positions for the airline starting in 2010, said a person with knowledge of the matter."

who is said person and i wonder if they frequent A.net.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:50 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
And despite what some claim, the pressure politically to order the RR powered A380 with British wings was also a factor.

Mr Walsh said that his company came under no political pressure to choose either Airbus or UK firm Rolls Royce for the orders.

"There was no contact [from politicians], be it formal or informal," Mr Walsh told reporters.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7015621.stm
Has this quote been trotted out yet?

So, either Irkamerica is wrong or WW is lying. You decide.  Wink

Meanwhile, another 100 Trents for RR. Ho hum. Another day, another order for 100 big fans...  Big grin
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 6:56 pm

A brilliant day for BA and the A380 program. I have always wanted BA to get the A380 and now my dream has come true !!!

The A380 will look great in BA livery and the I cant wait to see the innovations that they have in store inside!!!

A great day indeed  bigthumbsup   present 
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:04 pm

Very, very dissapointed that BA has decided not to order any 748's. I'm glad they made their final decision to end the speculation. I guess now i'll have to stick to LH when going over to Europe, as they seem like the only carrier, at least in the near term, that'll fly the one and only Super Jumbo in my book: 747-8 Intercontinental. At least the 787 got another nice shot in the arm...it's a perfect 763ER replacement aircraft. You'll probably see a A35X order down the road to replace some older 772ER's.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:06 pm

The A380 will definitely be put on at least one of the JNB flights, possibly both. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Lagos either.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:07 pm

So can we assume that British Airways is not concerned with the safety of composities?
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:19 pm

Quoting Theginge (Reply 80):
the A380 will come in from 2012

Would be nice to get it in time for the Olympic's . We may see that logo jet yet!!!
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:21 pm

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

...giving John Leahy the 20 new orders [BA +12, EK +8] he predicted for 2007
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:22 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
(BTW - the statement about noise is absolute bull. The A380 does not produce 1/4 the noise of a 744, nor does the 787. I was right under an A380 when it landed at LAX, right after a UA 744, and I could not tell the difference in noise level. They just had a different sound. On takeoff I am sure they are quieter than the 744, but 1/4 is nonsense. The A380 is not 20dB quieter.)

Maybe they're talking about the noise levels in the passenger cabin?
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:22 pm

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 82):
Did you read the statement of BA?:

Quoting Pilot21 (Thread starter):
British Airways will continue to consider the most suitable aircraft to replace
its remaining B747-400 aircraft and is examining the B787-10, B777-300 ER and
A350XWB.

Yes I read it, and they haven't ordered the A350. I rest my case.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:40 pm

I am glad the BA have finally made their choice. Both aircraft will look great in BA colours and I cant wait to see the interiors.

Looking forward to flying them in 2010! (BD 11:48)

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:48 pm

great news for BA customers. They can now experience Airbus long haul machines and love to love them for the beautiful machines they are.

What will BA do with the 380 interior? Me thinks a "stiff upper lip" conservative decor and standard seating.

The 787 will please those who are happy with Boeing.

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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:53 pm

Quoting PM (Reply 86):
Meanwhile, another 100 Trents for RR. Ho hum. Another day, another order for 100 big fans

Despite the T900 being an "old clunker" that's completely outclassed by the GEnx....  Wink

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 88):
So can we assume that British Airways is not concerned with the safety of composities?

Of course not.  Wink

Nor the safety of wing structures.
Or wake vortex safety, for that matter.

Or CASM
Or RASM
Or Airport readiness
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:56 pm

A great order, and the right order too!

The A380 makes a lot of sense for BA, and after running them for a few years, it can then make a decision on the replacement of it's remaining 744s. The way BA fills it's planes with premium seats and WTP these days, it needs the A380 size on many trunk routes just to keep capacity up!

Early 787s are a bonus too, I wonder where those slots came from?

And yet another customer pushing Boeing to launch the 7810, and no doubt wanting a 'proper' 7810, i.e. not just a simple stretch, or else it's the A350 instead!

Very bad news for the 748i though, a massive 744 customer rejecting it. It seems many carriers either want to upsize to the A380, or downsize to 77Ws (like the Japanese carriers), with LH looking a bit lonely at the moment...

Oh, and good news for RR too! WW is a man of fine judgement  Wink
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 7:59 pm

Good decision by BA!

I was to be honest expecting a larger number of total aircrafts to be ordered... I for some reason thought (Rightly or wrongly), this order was going to replace the entire 744 fleet.

I assume the 787's replace the 767's and the 12 A380's replace some of the older 744's.

In my opinion BA does not seem to think there is as much demand for big aircrafts in their fleet, hence the order for a smaller number.

People still seem to be speculating about the A350, but I think this can simply be rulled out now and especially when their is a top up order of 777-200's due for delivery soon. Adding A350's is going to complicate and already complex fleet when all these aircraft are operating. I think further 777-200 or even -300ERs, will be ordered as the 747-400's are phased out as their replacement on certain routes.

I would also expect the options of the 787 and A380's will also be exercised in coming years.
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:01 pm

Quoting EbbUK (Reply 94):
Me thinks a "stiff upper lip" conservative decor

I think they would go for a balance of both innovation and traditional. Maybe the F class might have a lounge serving ''afternoon tea'' lol..... A bar similar to VS would be cool with a flat screen TV showing SKY sports!!! Those kind of things are realistic and dont cost much. I hope that BA get on board internet for all classes. This would give them a way of earning extra on board revenue. Say GBP.20 for a unlimited connection per flight. Those kind of things help pass the time .
 
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RE: BA Decides: 12 X A380 & 24 X B787

Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:11 pm

Great news for the A380

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