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787 Status?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:46 pm

So what is the most current status on the 787?

Should it start flying late oct, early nov?
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:47 pm

Oi, AFAIK the first flight is slightly delayed.  Smile But they still plan to deliver on time.
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:53 pm

Rumor is that power on is supposed to be between 10/31/07 and 11/07/07. They could still make first flight by mid December.
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RE: 787 Status?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:54 pm

First flight delayed until mid-December 2007 at the latest, per Boeing. First delivery still scheduled for late May 2008 to ANA.
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RE: 787 Status?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:54 pm

Still trying to secure sufficient fasteners to complete LN0001.

Major sub-assembly assembly on LN0002 and LN0003 continue at the various suppliers.

Components for the two static test frames - LN9997 and LN9998 - have arrived at PAE and are being assembled within the test scaffolding.
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Thu Sep 27, 2007 11:58 pm

Boeing should get their act together if they are to be delivering over 550 of these planes. I am impatient to see this thing in action!
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 6):
Boeing should get their act together if they are to be delivering over 550 of these planes.

Boeing has their act together. They knew their were problems coming down the road months ago and worked to address them. Those problems were just worse then they expected, so they're still trying to catch-up.

As bad as things are now, consider if Boeing had not spent a billion on more R&D and working with suppliers to try and address these issues. LN0001 would not even be individual sub-assemblies at this point and the other four frames (LN9997/LN9998/LN0002/LN0003) would still be "planned" instead of actual major assemblies.
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:29 am

Quoting KochamLOT (Reply 6):
Boeing should get their act together if they are to be delivering over 550 of these planes. I am impatient to see this thing in action!

More like over 804 of "these planes", with 396 options.
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Still trying to secure sufficient fasteners to complete LN0001.

Major sub-assembly assembly on LN0002 and LN0003 continue at the various suppliers.

Components for the two static test frames - LN9997 and LN9998 - have arrived at PAE and are being assembled within the test scaffolding

Thanks Stitch for the updates. There has been paucity of information since flighblogger went offline. Captain X also provided some info but he seems to be in the 'dugout'. I have not seen him 'at bat' recently.

There isn't much info from either the Seattle PI or the Seattle Times.

Will there be sufficient fasteners to complete assembly of 0002 and 0003 if 0001 is still held up?
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Still trying to secure sufficient fasteners to complete LN0001.

But have they not been "trying to secure" fasteners for sometime now? If it's this much of a delay for one a/c, what about all the others??
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:24 am

Why is flightblogger only open to invited readers now? Did he get in any trouble?
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:35 am

Quoting Swallow (Reply 10):
Will there be sufficient fasteners to complete assembly of 0002 and 0003 if 0001 is still held up?



Quoting Swallow (Reply 10):
But have they not been "trying to secure" fasteners for sometime now? If it's this much of a delay for one a/c, what about all the others??

It appears that the bulk of fasteners that Boeing is securing are going to the sub-assembly suppliers (Spirit, Vought, Alenia, "the Heavies") to ensure LN0002 and LN0003 are delivered as "complete" as possible. This makes sense to me, in that LN0001 still has a good deal of "fitting out" work needed, so even if Boeing had all the fasteners required, they might not be able to use them all right now, so they can be better employed elsewhere at this time.
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 2:33 am

Hi , in his latests posts IAD787 stated that we may see LN0002 flying right afterLN0001.
If so how long after ? Could we see LN0002 flying first ?
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 11):
Why is flightblogger only open to invited readers now? Did he get in any trouble?

Look at thread: What Happens With Flightblogger.blogspot.com? (by Drahnreb Sep 22 2007 in Civil Aviation)
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting Swallow (Reply 9):
Captain X also provided some info but he seems to be in the 'dugout'. I have not seen him 'at bat' recently.

Here's a bone to chew on.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...f-787-dreamliner-delays-occur.html
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting CaptainX (Reply 15):
Here's a bone to chew on.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles....html

Old article. Apparently British Airways doesn't seem concerned as some here.  rotfl 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 16):
Apparently British Airways doesn't seem concerned as some here.

Well their order puts them at the end of the line, like 2015ish, and there is plenty of time to switch to the A350.

The LINK basically concluded that even with NO problems in Flight testing, a mid-December first flight will cause a missed May delivery. I wonder if Boeing has figured this out.
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:32 am

The last couple days have been quiet interesting and the events are quite telling. Parts for the center fuselage of Dreamliner Four/LN4/ZA004 arrived in Charleston virtually unnoticed.

I set up this website about a month ago. It's self sustaining with all of the possible LCF flight plans automatically uploading to it.

http://lcfmovements.blogspot.com

Section 44 and 46 arrived from Italy and they apparently need A LOT of work. They showed up with a lot of fasteners missing. In the past they would have temporary fasteners, now they are being shipped partially fastener free. Not sure exactly why this is. However, they require an enormous amount of travel work. Section 43 from KHI is the crown jewel of the center fuselage. It apparently arrived almost totally ready without any extra travel work (read: structural work) required. However, missing in action is the center wing box (45/11) from MHI/KHI. The no-show of this section might have something to do with the titanium tooling issues they've been having with the section. My source seemed to think that there would be a future design modification to make things fit together more smoothly for 45/11.

9998 the fatigue airframe moved out of the assembly jig and into what is called cell 20 yesterday. They should be getting it ready in the next week+ or so for delivery to Everett. However, again, there's no place to put it if LN1 can't move forward. No major pieces of the fatigue airframe have arrived in Everett.

As far as Dreamliner One goes, they are still doing structural work and brackets, clips and fasteners are still being installed in earnest. Many stringer clips at the butt splice are removed and the a/c can't be moved or lowered on to it's landing gear until they are replaced. My source was crawling around inside the center wing tank and noted that there are still plenty of unfilled holes, temp fasteners and sealant required.

If Dreamliner Two does fly first, they'll likely assemble it in front of Dreamliner One. We'll know very quickly which will fly first after those major structures are delivered. They'll either store them in the back (meaning Dreamliner One flies first) or it jumps the line in front and is priority number one.

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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:36 am

Quoting CaptainX (Reply 17):
Well their order puts them at the end of the line, like 2015ish, and there is plenty of time to switch to the A350.

Their first deliveries will be in 2010, skipper.
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:49 am

Quoting CaptainX (Reply 17):
and there is plenty of time to switch to the A350

Judging by the experiences with the A380 what makes you think they will be able to deliver the A350 on time and with no kinks. Oh by the way, on time for the A350 means 2013.

What a senseless remark.
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:13 am

Quoting IAD787 (Reply 18):
Section 44 and 46 arrived from Italy and they apparently need A LOT of work. They showed up with a lot of fasteners missing. In the past they would have temporary fasteners, now they are being shipped partially fastener free. Not sure exactly why this is. However, they require an enormous amount of travel work. Section 43 from KHI is the crown jewel of the center fuselage. It apparently arrived almost totally ready without any extra travel work (read: structural work) required. However, missing in action is the center wing box (45/11) from MHI/KHI. The no-show of this section might have something to do with the titanium tooling issues they've been having with the section. My source seemed to think that there would be a future design modification to make things fit together more smoothly for 45/11.

Yikes! This doesn't seem to bode well for the schedule. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems that only the most wild-eyed optimist could envison on-time delivery of this aircraft to both ANA and subsequent airlines in the queue. C'mon Boeing..prove me wrong  crossfingers 
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:31 am

Quoting Swallow (Reply 9):
Captain X also provided some info but he seems to be in the 'dugout'.

I would like to see some evidence that the skipper has ever provided actual "info". banghead 

 point An excellent example of a post with actual information is:

Quoting IAD787 (Reply 18):
If Dreamliner Two does fly first, they'll likely assemble it in front of Dreamliner One. We'll know very quickly which will fly first after those major structures are delivered. They'll either store them in the back (meaning Dreamliner One flies first) or it jumps the line in front and is priority number one.

That's a good tip! I've been wondering when the decision will be made - this will be something to watch for. thumbsup 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:47 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 21):
I hope I'm wrong, but it seems that only the most wild-eyed optimist could envison on-time delivery of this aircraft to both ANA and subsequent airlines in the queue.

You're calling Mike Bair a wild-eyed optimist? He's really not the type.

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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:39 am

Quoting IAD787 (Reply 18):
Parts for the center fuselage of Dreamliner Four/LN4/ZA004 arrived in Charleston virtually unnoticed.

There have actually been two trips to Italy in the past 10 days. They both unloaded in CHS, which leads me to believe that neither contained a horizontal stabilizer. Is it possible that sections 44 and 46 for LN5 have arrived in CHS?

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
power on is supposed to be between 10/31/07 and 11/07/07

Like I said in the other thread, that leaves between one and six weeks from power-on to first flight. The 777 program took ~20 weeks between those milestones. Since there is less wiring in the 787, I could imagine some compression of that schedule, but 1 to 6 weeks would be downright surprising.

Quoting IAD787 (Reply 18):
My source was crawling around inside the center wing tank

You ROCK!!!  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:16 pm

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 24):
Is it possible that sections 44 and 46 for LN5 have arrived in CHS?

Nope, just LN3, LN4 44 and 46. Only one horizontal stabilizer has come from Italy. That was in April. The fact that it was unnoticed was a reference to Section 43 from Japan for LN4 coming in unnoticed.

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 24):
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
power on is supposed to be between 10/31/07 and 11/07/07

This comes from an internal schedule. It's HIGHLY optimistic though.
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 3:32 pm

Hey, guys. With all the great work that IAD787 has done for us, how is it that his RR is only 10?

I hope that he is well, and that the personal matters resolve themselves positively for him in the near future.

In the meantime, I'm going to remedy the situation and help boost his RR (albeit just a little bit given my own lame respect rating).

Thanks IAD787; I have enjoyed reading your work.
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:19 pm

There was an article in Aviation News about the 787 debacle. They were saying that the first flight could be moved again between January 24 to February 10, 2008. The problem was that the fasteners issue it was bigger than they expect. But they were working hard to try to put this bird on the sky at the end of December.

I seriously believe that they will be forced to move the deliver day, because after fastener issue they will start dealing with wiring and software and hardware and if there is any additional issue then they will be in serious troubles with penalties and possibles cancellations.

Let's see.
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:46 pm

Honeywell and Allenia sure seem to be setting things back a bit for the program. What action is Boeing taking to get things back on schedule for further airframes??
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:33 pm

Quoting Carls (Reply 29):
There was an article in Aviation News about the 787 debacle. They were saying that the first flight could be moved again between January 24 to February 10, 2008. The problem was that the fasteners issue it was bigger than they expect. But they were working hard to try to put this bird on the sky at the end of December.

Do you have a link to that ? first I have heard of pushing the first flight into next year !
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RE: 787 Status?

Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:49 pm

Quoting Carls (Reply 29):
I seriously believe that they will be forced to move the deliver day, because after fastener issue they will start dealing with wiring and software and hardware and if there is any additional issue then they will be in serious troubles with penalties and possibles cancellations.

Nobody is going to cancel their 787 orders. It's the best plane in it's category so they'd only be slitting their throats if they did. Airlines aren't nearly as petty and shallow as many think.

Also, if they are delayed with fasteners, do you think that Boeing is just going to sit on their hands? Of course not. They're going to spend all that "free time" to work on those wiring and software and hardware "issues" (most of which are news to me and I follow the program quite closely - helps to be across the street from Building 40-26).
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:00 am

Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 20):
what makes you think they will be able to deliver the A350 on time and with no kinks.

For example the fact that Airbus plans year and a half time between first flight and first delivery? That seems like a big margin comparing to 5 months that Boeing has for 787.
 
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:28 am

Quoting BA777-236 (Reply 10):
But have they not been "trying to secure" fasteners for sometime now? If it's this much of a delay for one a/c, what about all the others??

The issue is that fasteners need to be made in bulk and Boeing thought the vendors would "just in time" a few hundred of each. Ugh uh... there is a reason my program demanded all of our fasteners five months ahead of scheduled need... there are always delays in aerospace fasteners unless the vendors are begging for business. Its one of those dirty little secrets of the industry. Fine... lesson learned by Boeing. They'll warehouse (or make the vendor warehouse) a few months supply of the fasteners. Cest la vie.

From what I can tell, this will take another 90 days to somewhat normalize and probably six months until its a non-issue for the 787.  Sad But that doesn't mean production will be slowed for the later units. If you look at the production ramp up, there is some slack to make up for lost time. So sure, 2008 deliveries might have some delay, but by mid-2009, Boeing will have caught back up.

Now let's see Airbus do the same. First requirement, being allowed to do more overtime. Sorry folks, but if you're not working 60 hours a week during the crunch, you're falling behind.

Then again, I'm a firm believer in competition in aerospace.  hyper 

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RE: 787 Status?

Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:43 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 34):
From what I can tell, this will take another 90 days to somewhat normalize and probably six months until its a non-issue for the 787.  Sad But that doesn't mean production will be slowed for the later units. If you look at the production ramp up, there is some slack to make up for lost time. So sure, 2008 deliveries might have some delay, but by mid-2009, Boeing will have caught back up.

 highfive 

Now that Airbus has ironed out their A388 production issues, they're ramping production up something fierce.

The same will happen with the 787 once Boeing has their stuff squared away.  yes 
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 34):
Sorry folks, but if you're not working 60 hours a week during the crunch, you're falling behind.

60 hours a week?! Monsieur, you are crazee, obviously! We are civilized 'ere; thirtee-five hours is what we do.  Wink
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:37 am

This is not a thread about the A380, so cut it out.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 32):
They're going to spend all that "free time" to work on those wiring and software and hardware "issues" (most of which are news to me and I follow the program quite closely - helps to be across the street from Building 40-26).

You obviously know nothing. Only the unnamed insiders and fired engineers know anything real. Actual people with actual input who aren't afraid to ID themselves can not be trusted...  Wink

Seriously though, it's still september. It's about 1 week after the original flight window. Let's keep the doom and gloom to a minimum until maybe mid-nov, when the new flight window opens?

Just a thought...
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:58 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 33):
For example the fact that Airbus plans year and a half time between first flight and first delivery?

Well judging by the A380 I would say they will require at least 2 years plus to sort out the kinks on the A350.

As regards the 787, let us say "the jury is till out". A slippage of a few months appears to be acceptable to the industry.
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:09 am

Quoting Columbia107 (Reply 40):
Well judging by the A380 I would say they will require at least 2 years plus to sort out the kinks on the A350.

I expect Airbus will do a much better job of maintaining configuration control on the A350 thanks to the lessons learned on the A380 and the issues Boeing is experiencing with the 787.
 
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:20 am

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 23):
Quoting ER757 (Reply 21):
I hope I'm wrong, but it seems that only the most wild-eyed optimist could envison on-time delivery of this aircraft to both ANA and subsequent airlines in the queue.

You're calling Mike Bair a wild-eyed optimist? He's really not the type.

Well, if he's still saying May delivery in his next conference call, then yes, I will call him that. As I said in my original post, I hope Boeing proves me wrong.
 
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 8:55 am

Quoting ER757 (Reply 43):
Well, if he's still saying May delivery in his next conference call, then yes, I will call him that.

I'll agree if in the next conference call he announces another slip in the timeline AND still says May.

But if the next call, let's assume it's November 7 or some date like that, and he says something like: "things are worked out, our revised schedule is firmed up, LN002 will fly in two weeks and LN001 will fly 10-14 days later, with additional test frames flying every 2 weeks, and we believe that May delivery is still reasonably achievable" then I would have a different opinion.

It all depends on what transpires in October, doesn't it?
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 9:47 am

It would seem there is a fair share of blame upon Boeing or its major partners re lack of fasteners and I totally agree with Reinbote as usual. You don't do fasteners JIT (just in time), but plan well ahead and stock them months and years ahead. It is not exactly a warehousing problem and you pay dearly on a per fastener basis if you are dumb enough to order on small quantity increments as set-up charges are huge for small quantities. I am suspecting that somebody in Boeing Materiel or its major partners (or both) decided to go JIT re fasteners and that doesn't work.
The whole fiasco reminds me of a missile program that I worked on at another major company and we had a bolt failure on an eject rocket in flight. As I am structures bloke, I got interested in the fastener procurement process and went to our procurement folks and dug out that they were paying $640.00/bolt for a lousy regular 1/4 high tensile bolt. I asked lots more questions and it turned out that our Procurement Department (AKA Materiel at Boeing) was ordering on a single ship-set basis. We were building 800 or so missiles and I asked price/bolt if we ordered all 800 ship-sets. Price was $1.75/bolt and Procurement was ordered to get whole programs worth.
I don't know if same happened here, but smells the same and, as Reinbote correctly observes, you also have a 50 week or so lead-time involved so I suspect a major procurement screw-up or, worse still, delayed design definition.
Of course, for conspiracy types, one might wonder who loses big re no aluminum or precious little on 787 and conclude that Alcoa bought up Huck, Fairchild, and Midwest in 2000 and cornered the fastener market and wasn't particularly in a big rush to supply special composite fasteners, but I lean towards an ordering fiasco myself.
 
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 10:03 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 44):
I'll agree if in the next conference call he announces another slip in the timeline AND still says May.

But if the next call, let's assume it's November 7 or some date like that, and he says something like: "things are worked out, our revised schedule is firmed up, LN002 will fly in two weeks and LN001 will fly 10-14 days later, with additional test frames flying every 2 weeks, and we believe that May delivery is still reasonably achievable" then I would have a different opinion.

It all depends on what transpires in October, doesn't it?

It sure does - I agree with your assessment 100%.
 
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:31 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 40):
It all depends on what transpires in October, doesn't it?

Keep an eye on those Dreamlifters... il volo EIA5127 in particolare Big grin
 
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 2:17 pm

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 43):
Keep an eye on those Dreamlifters... il volo EIA5127 in particolare 

wow does that plane fly low. FL280? Unless flightaware is wrong again.

What do you think it's carrying from europe? Maybe a vert stab or two?
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RE: 787 Status?

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:17 pm

Quoting IAD787 (Reply 17):
My source seemed to think that there would be a future design modification to make things fit together more smoothly for 45/11.

Who can verify this issue? Has this some impact for the dynamic wing tests?
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:26 pm

Quoting Tonytifao (Thread starter):
So what is the most current status on the 787?

Quick question for the experts:

How many 787s will Boeing according to their schedule deliver in
2008
2009
2010??
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:11 pm

Quoting Amicus (Reply 41):
Of course, for conspiracy types, one might wonder who loses big re no aluminum or precious little on 787 and conclude that Alcoa bought up Huck, Fairchild, and Midwest in 2000 and cornered the fastener market and wasn't particularly in a big rush to supply special composite fasteners, but I lean towards an ordering fiasco myself.

I agree with some of your sentiments, but at the same time, from what I understand, the new light weight fasteners being used are of a new design, and are titanium based. From what I heard, it partially a new production process problem, and the other a raw materials problem.
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:17 pm

established from various sources, actual to early 2007 - production (deliveries)

2007 8
2008 35 (43)
2009 71 (69)
2010 122
 
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Sun Sep 30, 2007 1:21 am

Quoting Drahnreb (Reply 45):
Quoting IAD787 (Reply 17):
My source seemed to think that there would be a future design modification to make things fit together more smoothly for 45/11.

Who can verify this issue? Has this some impact for the dynamic wing tests?

What's a dynamic wing test? Or do you mean the fatigue test?

Tom.
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:03 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 44):
What do you think it's carrying from europe? Maybe a vert stab or two?

Much more significant than that, actually. (by the way, the vert stab is the only structural piece of the 787 made in Washington state.) Coming from Italy, each Dreamliner requires center fuselage sections 44 and 46 as well as a horizontal stab (shipped in three pieces on a shipping fixture). I think all those items can all fit in a single Dreamlifter movement.

Flight EIA5127 is thus a straightforward leading indicator of the 787 production rate.

(Kind of like the A380 road convoys... one of which is about to operate this week, by the way)
 
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RE: 787 Status?

Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:48 pm

Quoting Drahnreb (Reply 50):
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 49):
What's a dynamic wing test? Or do you mean the fatigue test?

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It's unlikely to impact the fatigue test...that's a very long test and it was a virtual certainty that the finally certified aircraft would have some differences from the fatigue frame. The fatigue test will continue long after certification so it won't delay certification or delivery. Provided the differences aren't drastic, the normal procedure would be to continue with the fatigue test as-is and then use analysis to incorporate the effect of any differences between the test frame and the actual aircraft.

This is pretty normal...you don't rerun full scale fatigue tests every time you change the aircraft structure.

Tom.

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