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Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:57 am

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/ny...imac0928,0,2139440.story?track=rss

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"Town of Islip officials have entered into talks with a European airline in the hopes of adding international flights to Long Island-MacArthur Airport, Islip supervisor Phil Nolan said today.

If a deal with the Dublin, Ireland-based Ryan Air and the town-owned airport is completed, flights to Dublin and other European destinations could begin next spring, Nolan said."


Kind of surprising, I would have though they would have went to SWF, especially with a pending rail connection and PANYNJ taking over there.

[Edited 2007-09-27 21:58:36]

[Edited 2007-09-27 22:01:42]
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:32 am

Quoting Nycfly75 (Thread starter):
Fair Use:

"Town of Islip officials have entered into talks with a European airline in the hopes of adding international flights to Long Island-MacArthur Airport, Islip supervisor Phil Nolan said today.

If a deal with the Dublin, Ireland-based Ryan Air and the town-owned airport is completed, flights to Dublin and other European destinations could begin next spring, Nolan said."


Kind of surprising, I would have though they would have went to SWF, especially with a pending rail connection and PANYNJ taking over there.

Interesting Article:

I would question:

1) Does ISP have customs facility for processing.
2) Would Ryan Air be able to use it's 737's and their current no frills policy on such a long flight(I know they fly to other European locations, but I have never been on the flight.
3) Southwest has indicated that they might be looking to partner - LCC with LCC, could be a possibility.
4) How close is the LIRR to ISP I know they have a stop here, but..
 
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:33 am

Quoting 787EWR (Reply 1):

1) Does ISP have customs facility for processing.

IIRC, they could do that in DUB?
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 2):
IIRC, they could do that in DUB?

Correct, preclearance can be done in DUB.

Quoting 787EWR (Reply 1):
How close is the LIRR to ISP I know they have a stop here

Ronkonkoma station is a 10 minute bus or taxi ride from ISP  Smile

The train to Penn Station takes about 1hr 20 mins.



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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:43 am

Quoting 787EWR (Reply 1):
4) How close is the LIRR to ISP I know they have a stop here, but..

The LIRR stop is less than two miles, I believe the town should run a shuttle there, but the cab driver's would be greatly upset.
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:45 am

1. Horrible to have to sit on a Ryanair aircraft that long.

2. How many people are going to be able to deal with the one bag only policy.

3. How long will this last with being at ISP and American's already whine about seat pitch on US aircraft, I can't imagine them on a ryanair.
 
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:46 am

Only in Ryanair's mind would ISP be NYC.  Smile

It'd be popular with the budget-minded crowd though.

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Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:51 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 5):
1. Horrible to have to sit on a Ryanair aircraft that long

well said!!!!! all thoose bright colors, and whatnot.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 5):
2. How many people are going to be able to deal with the one bag only policy.

not many this is transatlantic crap here.

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 5):


3. How long will this last with being at ISP and American's already whine about seat pitch on US aircraft, I can't imagine them on a ryanair

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Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:59 am

Well, there are plenty of Irish Americans and Italian Americans on Long Island, so maybe they can start a non-stop to Sicily as well?  Wink
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:16 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 3):
Correct, preclearance can be done in DUB.

They'd still have to clear customs at ISP. Ireland preclearance is immigration only.

Quoting Nycfly75 (Thread starter):
Kind of surprising, I would have though they would have went to SWF, especially with a pending rail connection and PANYNJ taking over there.

It may be a matter of the few extra miles required to fly to SWF. DUB-ISP is already going to be seriously pushing it for a high-density 738.
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:24 am

Just an old hand here but is not Lindenhurst where the Hindenburg landed and burst into flames?? Not thinking that Ryanair would do that but just thought about the link
 
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Only in Ryanair's mind would ISP be NYC.

I think WN also calls it New York.

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
It'd be popular with the budget-minded crowd though.

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I figure I'll use my Rapid Rewards to get to ISP, and than 1 Euro to get to Europe. Hopefully I don't get too sick looking at the interior colors of their plane though. I guess they are just pissed off they can't buy EI.
 
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting BMIFlyer (Reply 3):
Correct, preclearance can be done in DUB.

If I recall, immigration can be done in DUB, but there still needs to be some sort of customs control (hence why Irish flights must still arrive at international terminals, unlike Canadian flights which can arrive like any US domestic flight). And knowing CBP, they won't allow these formalities to be done outside of a specific customs hall where a gazillion cameras, sniffing dogs, and lots of staff with guns!

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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:37 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Only in Ryanair's mind would ISP be NYC. Smile

Or in Southwest's.

The 737 is a powerful plane and all, but Ryanair is using the slightly less awe inspiring 737-800, not the 737-700, right? ISP is only a 7006' runway. Seems like the demands of going MTOW (or damn near) to cross the pond in a 738 are going to make for some problems in the dog days of summer.
 
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:42 am

That would be one long and uncomfortable flight.

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Only in Ryanair's mind would ISP be NYC.

Two things
One:Its Ryanair
Two:Its under 2 away from NYC.
 
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:42 am

Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 11):
I think WN also calls it New York.



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 13):
Or in Southwest's.

WN calls it Long Island, which is correct. They also call it "New York Area", which you could make a decent argument for. But it is definitely not New York City.

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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:42 am

IIRC, WN has had some issues with their 737-700s taking off from ISP and flying to LAS, so I have doubts as to whether it will possible (with profitable loads) to make it to DUB. Also, I believe that ISP has no customs facilities, is that correct?
 
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:45 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 13):
Seems like the demands of going MTOW (or damn near) to cross the pond in a 738 are going to make for some problems in the dog days of summer.

Especially when you consider the number of passengers Ryanair crams in their 738's ! The only aircraft that might be plausable for this route might be a 757.

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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 10):
Just an old hand here but is not Lindenhurst where the Hindenburg landed and burst into flames??

Nope, that was Lakehurst Naval Air Station, NJ

Lindenhurst is on the South shore of Long Island!

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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:16 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):
They'd still have to clear customs at ISP. Ireland preclearance is immigration only.

...not that it matters--- the arriving airport is still governmentally required to have INS-approved customs/immigration processing capability (fixed or temporary), for scheduled international service, even if the flight is precleared at its originating airport.
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:18 am

If FR do start a transatlantic service and the price was right, I would certainly give it a go, regardless of bright colours etc. Also, I find the seat pitch ok and I am 183cm tall. I think that FR seat ptch is about standard on most LCC's. And they can only fit a maximum if 189 pax in a 738 as that is the certified limit.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:23 am

Maybe Ryanair would have to operate the Irish end via Shannon, not Dublin out of politics. I would suggest too that they may need special spec 737 ETOPS with reduced seating capacity (as compared to their standard a/c) but even then would have to stop more that desirable with westbound flights in Canada on the way over. Maybe they could add a stop in Halifax, or another cites in the region adding Canada to their mix of cities served (Halifax = Montreal East  biggrin  ).
As to ISP, Long Island has about 2 million+ residents and would be a good alternative for the tourists from that region as well as connections to WN. ISP is owned by the Town of Islip, not the PANYNJ who has JFK/LGA/EWR and can cut their own deals although I would be concerned about 'infuence'. I also suspect they may have to offer some IFE as well as inexpensively priced beverages or food (like PeopleExpress did)
 
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:28 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Only in Ryanair's mind would ISP be NYC.



Quoting SJCRRPAX (Reply 11):
I think WN also calls it New York.

So does the U.S. Census Bureau. City limits, which are arbitrary, aren't important here - EWR isn't in New York, DTW isn't in Detroit, MSP isn't in Minneapolis, STL isn't in St. Louis... what is important is metro area, and Suffolk County is in the New York metro area according to the Census Bureau. At least they have the LIRR heading out there - you have to take a darn motorcoach to get to BVA from Paris!

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 17):
The only aircraft that might be plausable for this route might be a 757.

I agree. This may not even be FR-operated aircraft doing this route. I don't think the 738 can do it, but the 757 can. Perhaps FR could acquire 752s, or they could start up a subsidiary that only handles the transatlantic flights and only operates 752s. That way they could make it low-cost but still change a few things around here and there to make it a bit more acceptable in the passengers minds - like calmer colors, more comfortable seats, more lenient baggage rules. BOB could still remain - even on the European flights you can actually buy hot food.

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
It'd be popular with the budget-minded crowd though.

It definitely would! Lots of students who study abroad in London or Paris fly on Air India entirely for the cost. They are by far the cheapest transatlantic option to those cities right now and people fly on them! The concept applies here as well. Leisure travelers on a budget really don't give a hoot about too much else.
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:32 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 19):
...not that it matters--- the arriving airport is still governmentally required to have INS-approved customs/immigration processing capability (fixed or temporary), for scheduled international service, even if the flight is precleared at its originating airport.

Ahhh. That's very interesting. It is planned that DUB will have full CBP in 2010 (i.e. both Customs and Immigration) when the new terminal opens. People were saying in Ireland that this would allow airlines to fly to any airport in the US. Apparently not. Although it still makes it easier to fly to these locations I suppose.

Although 2010 sounds a more realistic date for such a venture. Can't see how it could work next year considering FR's current fleet. If they did this they'd want to do it from more than just DUB anyhow.
 
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:40 am

People are saying that the 787 will have a very good take off performance out of shorter runways. Would a 787-8 fly Transatlantic out of a 7000 runway?

The airport that Skybus uses at Portsmouth might be a better choice as a gateway - reasonable driving distance from Boston.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:48 am

Quoting EI564 (Reply 23):
Apparently not.

Correct.
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:00 am

ISP-DUB is 2733nm according to great circle and the range of the B738 fully loaded is, according to wiki, 3060nm. Now considering the headwinds expected on that route there is no way a B738 would do that all year around on the DUB-ISP direction, coming back though it should be no problem.

I think there have been a few rumors about FR looking for larger aircraft, the 787 rings a ell, so perhaps they'll start off with a few 767's. Certainly I would give it a try, especially if it was very cheap.


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Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:09 am

Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 24):
Would a 787-8 fly Transatlantic out of a 7000 runway?

I would think it wouldn't be a problem. Air Transat uses A310's out of my home airport, YYJ, to Puerto Vallarta and Cancun. About 5 and 6 hours respectively. Our runway here is 7000ft, and I'm guessing that the 787's takeoff performance would be similar to or better than the A310. Also those A310's are in high-density configuration.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:22 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
so maybe they can start a non-stop to Sicily as well?

And call it "Mafia-Express" Big grin
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:07 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 13):
Or in Southwest's.

They don't call it New York City.

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 28):
And call it "Mafia-Express"

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Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:12 am

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 22):
STL isn't in St. Louis.

actually....
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 1:50 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 30):
actually....

Well, it's far outside of the normal St Louis city limits... is this some technicality where St Louis is not conjoined with itself and also has the airport? It is surrounded by suburbs.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 29):
They don't call it New York City.

On the booking tool it is listed under New York area, along with La Guardia for ATA codeshare.
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:32 pm

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 31):
Well, it's far outside of the normal St Louis city limits... is this some technicality where St Louis is not conjoined with itself and also has the airport?

yep.

and to boot, anywhere within St. Louis County, you can write "St. Louis, MO" for the town, and it will still arrive in the mail.
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 4:39 pm

FR has clearly said in the past that any long-haul airline it created would be a completely different airline - not actually FR itself. I presume this is still the case.

[Edited 2007-09-28 09:44:50]
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:52 pm

Quoting STLGph (Reply 32):
yep.

and to boot, anywhere within St. Louis County, you can write "St. Louis, MO" for the town, and it will still arrive in the mail.

Okay, I didn't realize any of them were non-contiguous (A lot of cities, i.e. Denver, Chicago, have arms reaching out to the airports though). On a side note, you can use "Minneapolis" for any 554xx ZIP codes, and "St Paul" for any 551xx ZIP codes, even though many of those ZIP codes cover suburbs and not really the city. Some companies use this idea to say they are based in the bigger city even when they are in an office park. General Mills is in Golden Valley, MN but says Minneapolis. 3M is in Maplewood but says St. Paul.

Quoting [email protected] (Reply 33):
FR has clearly said in the past that any long-haul airline it created would be a completely different airline - not actually FR itself. I presume this is still the case.

That's what I was thinking too:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 22):
or they could start up a subsidiary that only handles the transatlantic flights and only operates 752s.

of course in a few years they could switch to 787s if they want.

But you gotta admit, with open skies and all the LCCs in Europe, you know some are gonna want in on the Transatlantic game. If there's money to be made, they'll go for it.
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 8:00 pm

I hope if it comes off they might fit a galley in for provision of hot meals for sale. A tub of Pringles is ludicrous for such a route.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:14 pm

As crew for ryanair i over nighted in venice (trivso obviously) and the captain said to be 'chumy' with mr o'leary and he said he was interested in some 777's that boeing couldnt shift, and that he said it would definatly not be under Ryanair..
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:20 pm

I wonder why FR would consider long haul. Its such a departure from their business model LCC. Look at the mess FlyGlobespan have gotten in to with their long haul ambitions.

I would say to MOL, keep it simple, stupid. Stick to what you know and thats no-frills short haul services. I think they have reached their limit with long flights to Tenerife and Fuerteventura.
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:38 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
Well, there are plenty of Irish Americans and Italian Americans on Long Island, so maybe they can start a non-stop to Sicily as well?

Just out of interest what has Italian American got to do with Sicily it may be a surprise but Sicily is an Island off the coast of Italy and if you are from Sicily( home of the Mafia) you are Sicilian not Italian, if you are comparing the proximity maybe but there is a body of water to cross which last time I was there requires a flight or boat ride. It would almost be like saying why not fly to Malta since they have connections to Italy .
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 38):
Just out of interest what has Italian American got to do with Sicily

You obviously missed his joking reference to New York's Sicilian mafia.
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:01 pm

Im questioning if this article may have mixed up facts....

fact #1) Ryanair wants to do transatlantic flights and specifically mentioned BWI PVD and ISP

Fact #2) Open skies agreements start in 2008

Since Ryanair has no aircraft plans unless kept super secret, im thinking they assumed fact #2 went with fact #1
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:07 pm

Quoting LGA777 (Reply 17):
Especially when you consider the number of passengers Ryanair crams in their 738's ! The only aircraft that might be plausable for this route might be a 757.

It doesn't say anything about it being a non-stop flight. If they want to operate 737's across the pond they could develop a mini-hub in a Canadian airport such as YYT for refueling and Immigration/Customs since Canada does have Customs and immigration pre-clearance. The big question is whether the Canadian government will allow it. KEF would be another option.

[Edited 2007-09-28 15:08:48]
 
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 10:11 pm

I would hope KEF would seek to protect FI and their transatlantic routes from any FR competition.
 
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:36 am

Quoting 787EWR (Reply 1):

No internal customs yet exists,...no biggie, LIRR on North edge of airport property...could walk to it...
 
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Only in Ryanair's mind would ISP be NYC.

It'd be popular with the budget-minded crowd though.

I can see it now fly on WN from SJC to LAS than to ISP. From there to Dublin and on to where ever in Europe. who knows, if you use the specials it might be a couple hundred bucks round trip but really really long. You'ld probably find a lot of college students use on there way to backpack through Europe.
 
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:02 am

Quoting Nycfly75 (Thread starter):
Ireland-based Ryan Air

Seriously, why is it that no journalist can ever get their name right?? It's maddening.
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 45):
It's maddening.

Resign yourself to the fact the media gets it wrong 100% of the time. You'll be less stressed. Feel better that you know better and more.

I never rely on the media for facts. Hell, wikipedia is a better source for facts.
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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting Baron52ta (Reply 38):
Just out of interest what has Italian American got to do with Sicily it may be a surprise but Sicily is an Island off the coast of Italy and if you are from Sicily( home of the Mafia) you are Sicilian not Italian, if you are comparing the proximity maybe but there is a body of water to cross which last time I was there requires a flight or boat ride. It would almost be like saying why not fly to Malta since they have connections to Italy .Just an observation

?!?!

Sicily is an island which is part of italy. So yes, all the people from Sicily are italians!
Is a person who is from Cornwall a "Cornwallish" and not an english?! Don't think so. Same goes for people from Sicily being italians. the fact that it's an island (just about some 15 km's of the cost of Italy) doesn't make any diference for that matter. They may have a different autonomy, but they are still italians.
And yes, many Italian Americans are from sicily.


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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:07 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 37):
I wonder why FR would consider long haul. Its such a departure from their business model LCC.

IT WOULD BE A COMPLETELY SEPARATE AIRLINE. IT WOULD JUST BE OWNED BY FR.

It would have different aircraft, different operational strategies, different management... it would be considerably different.

FR will not compromise its highly successful operation.

FR as it is now would be completely separate from a long-haul venture owned by FR. FR now would not be deviating from its European operation - except by starting and running a completely different and separate airline.

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RE: Ryanair In Talks With ISP To Begin '08 NY Flights

Sat Sep 29, 2007 1:13 am

I wondered where you were my lad. I guess your right, FR will stick to what their best at but remember when they said 3 hour duration flights were the limit of the model and now look, Tenerife and Fuerteventura. They keep pushing the range.

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