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UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 7:59 pm

Getting the word out to all photographers: If you see a UPS Classic 747, then let that camera rip because it may be your last chance. As of January 7, 2009, UPS will have retired its last Classic 747 and replaced it with a -400. According to The UPS Dispatch, "the old 747s are no longer cost effective to operate."

Here is the schedule at which the current remaining aircraft will be retired:

N523UP 1/15/08
N676UP 2/9/08
N682UP 3/15/08
N677UP 5/10/08
N672UP 7/5/08
N683UP 8/9/08
N520UP 12/26/08
N522UP 12/28/08
N521UP 1/2/09
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:20 pm

Getting ready for A380s?!
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:31 pm

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 1):
Getting ready for A380s?!

Doubt it. They sent the A380 packing a while back.
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:32 pm

Good news for Evergreen and Kalitta.

Let's see who takes how many.
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:43 pm

Quoting Jeffry747 (Thread starter):
"the old 747s are no longer cost effective to operate."



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 3):
Good news for Evergreen and Kalitta.

Let's see who takes how many.

surely even Evergreen and Kalitta must be looking at replacements for the classic 747 freighters by now - the old Kalitta birds somedays look like they are really struggling to get airborne from BRU - even the fantastic 747 cannot fly forever ( it is not a DC3 after all  Wink ) I can't imagine that they are going to want UPS cast offs no matter how well looked after they have been .
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:46 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
Doubt it. They sent the A380 packing a while back.

Wasn't it the case that AB delayed it for 4 years so they said no thanks for the moment? They might go back to it eventually?
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 8:58 pm

I would suspect that these old and well used birds are they getting due for very expensive major checks. As sad as it is to see these 1st Generation 747's becoming scrap metal, I would assume the financial people of UPS has come up with numbers that say the time for them to go is near.
Where is UPS getting the 747-400 replacements? New or used and if used, where from?
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:10 pm

I am sure these planes will not fly again after their retirement. Question is just, will some get the chance to be preserved, or will they become beer cans?

I guess the engines won't be too much worth either anymore, as there probably aren't so many users of these old planes around anymore. I am surprised that they lasted as long as they did, but certainly, time has come by now.
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:14 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 4):

surely even Evergreen and Kalitta must be looking at replacements for the classic 747 freighters by now - the old Kalitta birds somedays look like they are really struggling to get airborne from BRU

It was an ironic statement, I should have added a smilie.  Wink I doubt that either one of them would take -100s into the fleet now, may be for spares. OTH, I do not know the hours and condition of the a/c. UPS, I could imagine, takes good care of its assets.

But since the -400 comes into the years as well now, it is likely that these carriers replace their aging classics with these.
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:31 pm

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 1):
Getting ready for A380s?!

They're taking some new-build 744Fs (two have been delivered this year). I would not be surprised if the 777F joins their fleet in the near-term.
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:35 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
really struggling to get airborne from BRU

Really -- so the older a plane gets, the harder it is for it to fly? I didn't know that.

Whether something is economical for UPS to use, with its very-high-utilization level of its 747 freighter fleet, tells you nothing about the economics of the same frame for Kalitta or Evergreen, given their different utilization profile.
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:43 pm

Quoting Jeffry747 (Thread starter):
Here is the schedule at which the current remaining aircraft will be retired:

N523UP 1/15/08
N676UP 2/9/08
N682UP 3/15/08
N677UP 5/10/08
N672UP 7/5/08
N683UP 8/9/08
N520UP 12/26/08
N522UP 12/28/08
N521UP 1/2/09

The 747s with a "6" are - very old - 747-100s, the "5"-series are -200s.
Looking at the aircraft´s age, its hard to believe one will see further service:

N523UP 1/15/08 ex SAS, built 1980, 28 years old when retired
N676UP 2/9/08 ex American, built 1970, 38 (!) years old when retired
N682UP 3/15/08 ex PanAm, built 1971, 37 years old when retired
N677UP 5/10/08 ex American, built 1971, 37 years old when retired
N672UP 7/5/08 ex American, built 1971, 37 years old when retired
N683UP 8/9/08 ex PanAm, built 1971, 37 years old when retired
N520UP 12/26/08 ex SIA, built 1979, 29 years old when retired
N522UP 12/28/08 ex SIA, built 1979, 29 years old when retired
N521UP 1/2/09 ex SIA, built 1981, 28 years old when retired
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:48 pm

And the mighty DC-8s go on and on, at least for now.
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:53 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 6):
Where is UPS getting the 747-400 replacements? New or used and if used, where from?

Most are new builds from Boeing, still in the delivery process. A couple are coming from EVA.
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:28 pm

The pending delivery aircraft were already ordered before the A380 cancellation (which is definitive), except, as far as I know the only ordered 25(?) B767. It does not seem that these are A380 substitutes. So what they are planning to do?
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:32 pm

I'd expect the 741's to be scrapped, but I seriously think that someone will purchase at least some of the 742's, regardless of age. There are some airlines in other parts of the world who'd likely be interested in buying the 742's. I can see a South American cargo airline or an African cargo airline purchasing them.

US Companies, doubtful, but still slightly possibly, you never know. I dont think Kalitta would buy any, Evergreen, dont think so, but slightly possible. Southern Air which currently flys the 742 (though with GE-engines, versus UPS's PW engines) may be interested in picking up some already pre-configured cargo frames, virtually all set and ready to go. Though of course, nobody will know until the time comes.
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:45 pm

the question is......When are they going to order some 747-8s or 777Fs?
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:49 pm

Southern Air makes a big deal about flying ONLY the GE-equipped 742s. Don't think they'll be switching any time soon.
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Tue Oct 02, 2007 11:51 pm

 Sad  cry   crying 
I knew it was coming, just not this soon. I knew the -200's had at least a year left, but I though the -100's did too. Unfortunately, they'll probably be scrapped since they're 37 years old (N676UP is 38!). I may seriously cry when I see the last one take-off from Louisville "International" Airport and hear those awesome-sounding JT9D's at TO power one final time. One of the main reasons I enjoy spotting there so much is due to the unmistakeable groan of those JT9D's (especially on the -100's) and the subsequent high decibels the compressors produce as they takeoff about 500 ft. (or less when they go to ANC) over my head. And they set off quite a few car alarms as well, especially when they takeoff on 17L over the main employee lot where they're particularly low and loud (about an 8500 ft. runway). They look so graceful on takeoff with their A340-esque sluggish climbout (-100's going to ANC are probably worse than an A340) and when they turn about 5 miles south (or north sometimes) of the airport. The twinjets are about twice as high at that point compared to the 747 classics; its interesting to watch them takeoff parallel with an A300.
I must say, the 747-400 is even better to watch takeoff (or land) from a visual standpoint; its possibly the best livery combo of any 744 I've seen, it looks absolutely wonderful. And it climbs much, much better. But it won't ever match the 747 classics in terms of the "thrill factor" when they takeoff (unless they put JT9D's from the classics on them  bigthumbsup  Wink.
Here's a video representing the "thrill factor" those JT9D's produce!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GT5HAg-Kzg
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:00 am

Quoting Lat41 (Reply 12):
And the mighty DC-8s go on and on, at least for now.

They're the UPS version of NW's DC-9's.  Wink
A true testament to the ruggedness of the old Douglas airliners. Although 747 classics are pretty rugged, given that there are many flying today (such as the UPS 741's that will soon be gone) that are 37 or 38 years old. I doubt any of UPS' DC-8's ore 747 classics have very many cycles on them, however, since the DC-8's typically do only one turn a day (early morning TO at SDF, late night arrival into SDF, although you'll see 1 or 2 takeoff in the late afternoon). Their DC-8's are about the same age as their 741's and NW's DC-9's and have impressed me on several occasions with their takeoff performance (they are Super 70's w/ the CFM's, which is one obvious reason they're still around). Unfortunately, I don't think they'll be too far behind the 747 classics; probably 2009 or 2010, but I may be wrong.
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:07 am

UPS is obtaining 8 new 747-400F's, 3 used 747-400F's, and is converting 2 747-400M's to -400F's.
Currently, UPS has received 2 of the new 747-400F's.
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:10 am

Quoting Broke (Reply 20):
Currently, UPS has received 2 of the new 747-400F's.

When did they get their second one? I know they got their first one, N570UP, in July as I saw it takeoff from SDF for the first time on a proving flight. Does anyone know if the 8 new ones are just -400F's or are they -400ERF's?
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:20 am

Quoting Kbdude (Reply 16):
the question is......When are they going to order some 747-8s or 777Fs?



Quoting Broke (Reply 20):
UPS is obtaining 8 new 747-400F's, 3 used 747-400F's, and is converting 2 747-400M's to -400F's.
Currently, UPS has received 2 of the new 747-400F's.

I am aware of this, but as far as I know, all these were already ordered well before the A380F cancellation, therefore were meant to be additional to said A380F. Now, the only new order was for the B767Fs. Again, these seem not to be substitutes for the A380s

[Edited 2007-10-02 17:24:32]

[Edited 2007-10-02 17:26:48]
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:19 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 2):
Doubt it. They sent the A380 packing a while back.

The A380 "might" be in their long term plans, but the the foreseeable future, it's the 744 that will be top of the line.
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:06 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 10):
Really -- so the older a plane gets, the harder it is for it to fly? I didn't know that.

You didn't?  sarcastic  ? You must have taken a drink of NWA's buy-on-board koolaid then...and believed them when they said all those canceled flights were because the pilots were timing out! Plus I like that theory, it almost makes me feel better about not being to land my FBO's 1976ish C172 decently more than 30% of time  Big grin
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:10 am

Quoting Lat41 (Reply 12):
And the mighty DC-8s go on and on, at least for now

indeed
How old are their Dc-8's then?
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:34 am

Quoting Vald (Reply 25):
How old are their Dc-8's then?

I couldn't find a site that actually listed the date that their DC-8's first flew or were first delivered. But I believe most, if not all of them, were delivered between 1968 and 1972, so between about 35 and 39 years old! As I said in a previous post, they're comparable in age to NW's DC-9's. They're truly rugged airplanes, and look absolutely wonderful in UPS' newish livery. If anybody wants to see DC-8's (or UPS 747 classics before they're retired, for that matter), go nowhere other than SDF between about 3:30 and 5:30 AM. Seriously, I know it sounds crazy, but I've done it a few times before and you'll see at least 2 dozen DC-8's depart. Its amazing how quiet they are with the CFM's, I wish they still had the JT3D's. At least the CFM's make a neat-sounding fan growl on takeoff that almost sounds spooky from a distance.
If anyone wants to spot a UPS 747 classic before they're retired, the best chance to see one of these at SDF is actually in the late afternoon rather than the early morning. You'll see two or three of them depart every weekday afternoon between about 4 PM and 5 PM. They fly to EWR, ONT (ONT is an MD-11 sometimes, always an MD-11 on Wed.) and DFW (also an MD-11 sometimes) on weekdays, mainly Mon.-Thurs. On Friday afternoons, you might see one depart to ANC, which are the best ones to watch since they use lots of runway, fly really low overhead (you might want to cover your ears!), and climb worse than an A340 departing on a >10 hour fligh (probably around 1500 fpm.)
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:40 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 18):
One of the main reasons I enjoy spotting there so much is due to the unmistakeable groan of those JT9D's (especially on the -100's) and the subsequent high decibels the compressors produce as they takeoff about 500 ft. (or less when they go to ANC) over my head.

So true; such a great sound. Thanks for posting the video link, also.
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 27):
So true; such a great sound. Thanks for posting the video link, also.

You're welcome. That video perfectly demonstrates why I love spotting 747 classics, as that sound sends chills up my spine every time I hear it, even when they're flying about 6-7K ft. over my house on departure. I always enjoy posting videos on this forum, if you haven't already discovered. I've probably posted videos on at least a dozen threads, many of them being T/O videos of 747 classics and DC-10's (another lovely sounding airplane). I guess I'll have to live without hearing that sound after 1/2/09 (my twentieth birthday; seeing that last UPS 747 classic takeoff will be a bittersweet birthday present  cry  ) The older -100's seem to have a slightly more prominent and guttural fan growl, Pratt and Whitney must have redesigned the fan blades on the newer versions of the JT9D that are on UPS' 747-200's, but the -200's seem to leave a "smoke trail" behind them, unlike the -100's.
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:30 am

Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 24):
You didn't? ? You must have taken a drink of NWA's buy-on-board koolaid then...and believed them when they said all those canceled flights were because the pilots were timing out!

Let's review. The poster says that the 741s take longer "now" to get off the runway than they did when they were younger (presumably). Hence my comment that I didn't know that it was harder for them to get in the air as they got older. I'm pretty sure that NW's DC9s take pretty much the same amount of runway that they used to take, unless some noise-abatement protocol requires lower thrust settings, for example.

In any event, let's not have an exchange of snide comments that goes off-topic. The bottom line is that a 741 or 742 may not be economical for UPS, but might be economical for another carrier that needs capacity that doesn't cost a lot when it's sitting, even if it costs more to run when it's flying.
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:52 am

Quoting Gh123 (Reply 1):
Getting ready for A380s?!

No 380's for UPS. These birds won't survive their D check. 748F, and 777F for UPS.  checkmark 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:30 am

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 30):
No 380's for UPS. These birds won't survive their D check. 748F, and 777F for UPS.

Right on there. Where I work we do checks for UPS. I will not cite my source or where I work for obvious reasons, however a rep with the company said that they had no interest in the 380. The dispatch reliabilty of the Airbuses has not been desirable and parts support for Airbus aircraft have been difficult. The biggest reason however is that the money needed to create the infrastructure to support the 380 was more than they wanted to invest. The Boeing products have had a excellent dispatch rate and the 747 has been a true workhorse for them. I am not showing a bias towards Boeing , but this is what has been told to me. Could not get any info however on a order for 747-8 other than "we are considering the option". Many of the highest expieranced airframe techs also have told me that the Airbus airframes are much lighter in material and construction, so the D check comment from Glideslope may also be quite approprate.
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:32 am

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 10):
Really -- so the older a plane gets, the harder it is for it to fly? I didn't know that.

Sure, just ask ANCflyer!  duck 

Quoting Lat41 (Reply 12):
And the mighty DC-8s go on and on, at least for now.

I had a CO mechanic tell me once the difference between boeing and douglas is that douglas was built to last.

A shame that they can't be preserved some how.
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:05 am

Anybody knows what routes UPS 741 and 742 fly to? schedules appreciated. I just saw a 741 took off PHL around 1520 today----I suppose it flew to Louisville?
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:17 am

I'm not sure about UPS, but doesn't the US Postal Service fly 727's that are nearing 40 years old?
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:00 am

so are they replacing these with 777Fs? or will they go for more 744s? The 748 would be good but they are relatively new and UPS seems to prefer cheaper older planes
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:29 am

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 33):

The 747 out of PHL in the afternoon departs to ONT
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:43 am

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 35):
so are they replacing these with 777Fs? or will they go for more 744s? The 748 would be good but they are relatively new and UPS seems to prefer cheaper older planes

They're replacing the 741s with 744s.

I don't think that comment about UPS prefering cheaper, older planes is accurate. UPS has new 744s and 763s on the way. The A300s and the 757s were also purchased new.
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:47 am

Here's some 747 flying i found after a quick search:

ONT-PHL-ONT
OAK-PHL-OAK (occasionally)
SDF-PHL-SDF (occasionally)
CGN-PHL (mainly a MD11 now)
SDF-DFW (x2)
SDF-ANC-HKG
SDF-EWR

In looking at some of the schedules when is PHL going to see one-stop service to Asia: RFD, EWR, ONT all do
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:49 am

Quoting Lat41 (Reply 12):
And the mighty DC-8s go on and on, at least for now.

Amen! What a testament to Douglas and a shame that airplanes aren't still this toughly built (except maybe in Russia?).
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:53 am

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 33):
Anybody knows what routes UPS 741 and 742 fly to? schedules appreciated. I just saw a 741 took off PHL around 1520 today----I suppose it flew to Louisville?



Quoting UPS757 (Reply 36):
The 747 out of PHL in the afternoon departs to ONT

 checkmark  UPS2194 out of SDF to PHL is a 747 classic on Friday afternoons (I don't know what the PHL-SDF flight is, probably 2193).
In terms of the 747 classic routes, the majority of them are flown out of Louisville. These are SDF-EWR (both early morning and afternoon), DFW (both early morning and afternoon), ONT, PHL every Friday afternoon, and occasionally an SDF-ANC-Asia run. SDF-ANC-SDF (UPS2998) is so far the sole 744 flight, this used to be a 747 classic route until July. There were also a few days last month that SDF-MEM (early morning out of SDF) was a 747 classic. I believe that DFW-ONT is also a 747 classic route. Back in the day when they had more of them, I believe 747 classics flew SDF-PHL-CGN, in addition to the DC-8's. The DC-8's are used on a variety of domestic routes, ranging in length from SDF-RCK (Columbus Rickenbacker, a 35-40 minute flight) to SDF-ONT; they may fly PHL-ONT, I'm not sure. UPS still has 46 DC-8's, so they still a workhorse for UPS and fill the same roles as the A300 and 757. The 727's are all gone.
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:06 pm

It was a great yesterday, following a B747 classic into RWY 17R @ SDF (we were a dot above the GS might I add) and as soon as we turned off there was one on short final behind us...quite the sight...

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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Wed Oct 03, 2007 3:22 pm

Do they still run 741s on the Monday morning arrival to SYD? Or is that purely an MD11 route now?
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:20 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 40):
they may fly PHL-ONT, I'm not sure.

UPS2901 ONT-PHL and UPS 2902 PHL-ONT are 747 Classics Monday-Thursday (a 767 replaces it on Fridays). It usually arrives at PHL around Noon and Departs around 2 or 3 PM, so the aircraft AirAmerica saw was indeed UPS2902 heading back to ONT.

I have seen the 747 pop up on UPS2194 before, but I hadn't established what pattern it appeared. Thanks for the info!
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:21 am

Im an ONT spotter, so Its sad to see those birds go. I cant wait until I see some 777Fs and 744Fs come in!

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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Thu Oct 04, 2007 2:17 am

Very sad to see these birds go. Any shot that the younger ones have more life left?
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Thu Oct 04, 2007 4:18 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 4):
the old Kalitta birds somedays look like they are really struggling to get airborne from BRU

I hope you're referring to the load on board and not the age of the aircraft.

Old planes don't "get tired" and have trouble flying.

Properly maintained aircraft can fly indefinitely. That's the trick though, to know how to maintain them "properly" is no easy task.
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:42 pm

Quoting Wagz (Reply 43):
I have seen the 747 pop up on UPS2194 before, but I hadn't established what pattern it appeared. Thanks for the info!

Generally UPS2194 is a 747 classic on Friday afternoons. Monday-Thursday its an A300.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 42):
Do they still run 741s on the Monday morning arrival to SYD? Or is that purely an MD11 route now?

I'm assuming the morning arrival into SYD is UPS34, which operates SDF-HNL-SYD, departing SDF at 3:35 AM. Its always an MD-11. They may also operate an ONT-HNL-SYD, but its probably also an MD-11 if they have this flight; SYD no longer sees UPS 747 classics, nor does HNL. However, I wouldn't be surprised if SDF-HNL-SYD becomes a 744F route eventually.
 
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Thu Oct 04, 2007 6:28 pm

Quoting 747fan (Reply 47):
I'm assuming the morning arrival into SYD is UPS34, which operates SDF-HNL-SYD, departing SDF at 3:35 AM. Its always an MD-11. They may also operate an ONT-HNL-SYD, but its probably also an MD-11 if they have this flight; SYD no longer sees UPS 747 classics, nor does HNL. However, I wouldn't be surprised if SDF-HNL-SYD becomes a 744F route eventually

Most likely. The last time I flew to SYD, there was both a UPS 741 and an MD11 sitting side by side. Granted this was a couple years ago, just wondering if that was still true.
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RE: UPS To Retire Classic 747

Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:52 pm

Expect upwards of 30+ 744's and an additional 30 76's added on the current order of 27 we have now. The 76's are rumoured to be conversions except for the new builds currently on order. Yhe 744's are to be conversions or bought used like we did from Cargolux. The 767's that will be ordered are to replace retiring DC-8s that should occur around 2013-14

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