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CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:05 am

http://avindia.blogspot.com/

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Continental Airlines yesterday inaugurated nonstop services between its New York hub at Newark Liberty International Airport and Mumbai, India. Continental will initially operate the service four times a week -- departing New York Liberty on Sundays, Mondays, Fridays and Saturdays -- with the frequency increasing to daily service effective Oct. 28, 2007.

Continental will be utilizing the Boeing 777-200 aircraft on the New York Liberty-Mumbai flights, carrying 50 passengers in the BusinessFirst cabin and 235 in economy.

The flight schedule will be as follows:
Flight CO48 will depart New York Liberty on Sunday and Monday at 7:20 p.m., arriving at Mumbai at 7:40 p.m. the next day; on Friday and Saturday, the flight will depart New York Liberty at 8:00 p.m. and will arrive at Mumbai at 8:20 p.m. the following day. The return flight CO49 will depart Mumbai's Chhatrapati Shivaji International Airport on Monday, Tuesday, Saturday and Sunday at 11:45 p.m., arriving at New York Liberty at 6:30 a.m. the following day. Flying times will be approximately 14 hours 50 minutes eastbound and 16 hours 15 minutes westbound. Effective Oct. 28, 2007, the frequency of the service will increase to daily and the schedule will change slightly.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:15 am

I am proud to see that CO is adding to the increasing need for flights from the NY City region (along with CO's excellent connections to many domestic USA cities) and especially from EWR, to India.
That is one long flight, especially westbound. Will there be circumstances on westbound flights where they may have to refuel, especially in the winter with the winds along eastern North America?
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:18 am

16 hours without a "lay flat" seat, could not do that in Business, let's hope CO upgrade Businessfirst sooner than later, their meal service this fab by the way so that should pass the time.
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:25 am

I hope CO plans EWR-BLR in the near future. The new BLR airport will be operational by April 2008. However, EWR-BLR will be pushing the limits of 772ER's range.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:50 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
I hope CO plans EWR-BLR in the near future. The new BLR airport will be operational by April 2008. However, EWR-BLR will be pushing the limits of 772ER's range.

That's going to have to wait until the 787 arrives.

On a related note, does anyone know what kind of payload penalties is/will CO be taking on their 772ERs going westbound BOM-EWR?
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:52 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):
That's going to have to wait until the 787 arrives.

When is CO getting its 787s?
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 1:54 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 5):
When is CO getting its 787s?

The first ones are scheduled for delivery in 2009, though they have indicated that those are bound for Middle East (read IAH-DXB) and Africa (read IAH-LOS).
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting Panamair (Reply 4):
On a related note, does anyone know what kind of payload penalties is/will CO be taking on their 772ERs going westbound BOM-EWR?

What kind of penalties does DL face on BOM-JFK. Will that go away with the 772LR?
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting WindowSeat (Reply 7):
What kind of penalties does DL face on BOM-JFK. Will that go away with the 772LR?

No duty-free carts; removal of additional catering carts; minimal cargo (if any) below....Yes, the 772LR should solve these issues.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
I hope CO plans EWR-BLR in the near future. The new BLR airport will be operational by April 2008. However, EWR-BLR will be pushing the limits of 772ER's range.



Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 5):

When is CO getting its 787s?

CO starts taking delivery of their 787-8s in 2009, EWR-BLR should start around 2010 when CO starts taking delivery of the longer range 787-9.
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:48 am

Fascinating all that growth to India...

What is the current market share with non-stops from the US to India ?

Cheers

CDG  Smile
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:50 am

That's a very very impressive new flight. Congratulations, Continental. And congratulations on EWR-PVG 2009.

EWR is simply an AMAZING hub now.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 2:59 am

Does anyone know the load factors for the first couple of weeks for EWR-BOM? I recently flew CO PDX-EWR, and their service was good. I had requested a hindu vegetarian meal and they did offer us a Indian meal which was decent. Given that other carriers don't offer anything ( US didn't offer anything apart from soft drinks on the return PIT-SEA flight), I was pretty impressed by CO. If it starts EWR-BLR, I might seriously consider it for my India trips.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:13 am

Congrats to CO, but as one poster already stated - without a flat bed, that would be agony
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:45 am

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
However, EWR-BLR will be pushing the limits of 772ER's range.

Even the westbound BOM-EWR might push the 772ER's range during the winter occasionally as the westbound trip is listed at over 16 hours. I know DL's 772 on BOM-JFK had to make a few fuelstops at MAN this past winter. However, CO's might be slightly more capable with the GE90's compared to DL's Trent-powered 772ER's; IIRC, the GE90 birds are slightly more capable and have a slightly better SFC.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 4:53 am

Quote:
That is one long flight, especially westbound. Will there be circumstances on westbound flights where they may have to refuel, especially in the winter with the winds along eastern North America?

I realize this is being nit-picky, and I mean no offense by it; however, EWR-India is almost due north and due south. There really is no "east" or "west":

http://gc.kls2.com

The magnetic headings are 33 degrees and 333 degrees. Cross-winds, I would assume, but no real headwinds. And yes, I agree, unless its a true tailwind, it will interfere with flight times and fuel loads.
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:20 am

Congrats to CO, but as one poster already stated - without a flat bed, that would be agony
****

This flat bed issue really gets taken too far. a few months ago I flew on Singapore Airlines from LAX-SIN and then from SIN-NYC. Both flights were nonstop, both were over 17hrs and both did not have flat bed seats. The A340-500 is their longest (or was) range aircraft, and in the premium cabin, they do not have flat beds, and Singapore are arguably the best carrier out there.

I have flown both the Singapore flights and the Continental long hauls many times, and the slightly slanted seat is just fine.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:35 am

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 16):
This flat bed issue really gets taken too far. a few months ago I flew on Singapore Airlines from LAX-SIN and then from SIN-NYC. Both flights were nonstop, both were over 17hrs and both did not have flat bed seats. The A340-500 is their longest (or was) range aircraft, and in the premium cabin, they do not have flat beds, and Singapore are arguably the best carrier out there.

I have flown both the Singapore flights and the Continental long hauls many times, and the slightly slanted seat is just fine.


After flying CO to DEL and back in BF...I did not have any problems at all..in fact it was quite enjoyable except ..the food quantity could be increased...The slant works fine for me...
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 15):
The magnetic headings are 33 degrees and 333 degrees.

The "headings" that the GCM gives are true.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:29 am

Gah, I can't believe those that say, "without lie-flat seats" I would die. Uhh, next time your pouting in your big comfy Business seat just think about that man that got stuck with 62E, in the middle section of a 2-5-2 777.
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:41 am

All this is most interesting! I am flying CO next week to EWR-DEL and will definitely post a TR. CO gives you a helicopter ride from midtown too for BF. I would have tried the EWR-BOM but there's no flight on Wednesday.

As LAXDESI says it would be so great if they would fly EWR-BLR - I say damn the cargo! It's no fun leaving BLR at 4 am on those one-stops to the US. Too bad VS doesn't fly to BLR with their civilized flight timings.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:52 am

A little overkill in the New York-Mumbai market now, with three daily non-stops. Be interesting to see how it all holds up.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 6):
Middle East (read IAH-DXB) and Africa (read IAH-LOS).

More like "read: EWR-LOS" and "read: EWR-DXB".
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 19):
Gah, I can't believe those that say, "without lie-flat seats" I would die. Uhh, next time your pouting in your big comfy Business seat just think about that man that got stuck with 62E, in the middle section of a 2-5-2 777.

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I really hope for their poor sheltered sakes that they don't have to get on a train once they get to BOM...
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 6:57 am

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 13):
without a flat bed, that would be agony

Er, why, exactly?

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 16):
and the slightly slanted seat is just fine.

Couldn't agree more. I'd in fact say that CO got it right with their slightly angled seat, particularly when you take into account that planes don't cruise level....
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:00 am

Quoting Readytotaxi (Reply 2):
16 hours without a "lay flat" seat, could not do that in Business, let's hope CO upgrade Businessfirst sooner than later

No offense but that is really spoiled of you.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:01 am

So on 28th October CO will become the first airline with two non-stop daily flights from US to India! Congrats CO!
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:13 am

CO will introduce a new J product with the arrival of their 787s, the new seats will also be introduced into the 777s.
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:18 am

Wow, this is amazing, 4 years ago who would have thought about a non-stop to India from the US, now in 4 years, we have:

EWR-DEL/BOM (CO)
JFK-BOM (both AI and DL)
ORD-DEL (AA)

So, India is attracting a lot of airlines, wonder if US and UA are taking notice!!! I could easily see IAD-DEL/BOM (market "capital to capital" like they did for IAD-PEK, but i guess equipment is needed) by UA and maybe even a PHL-BOM/DEL by US (long shot).

And these are all non-stops, there is no dearth of one-stop flights to India from USA - 9W, AI, EK, EY, QR and the European majors. The NY-India market seems saturated to me.

9W is new to the market and should try other airports in the US once their new a/c's arrive  Smile rather than concentrate on the NY region only.

Btw, all the very best to CO for the new route, i am sure it will do well
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:23 am

It appears that CO doesn't have any partnership with Indian domestic carriers. At least they don't show up on their website if i try to view fares for SEA-BLR. NWA website shows IT and 9W for domestic connections, but CO doesn't. Same with Delta too. If I look up SEA-BLR, it gives me options through AF only, not through DL flights to BOM and domestic connections to other Indian cities from BOM.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:23 am

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 27):
So, India is attracting a lot of airlines, wonder if US and UA are taking notice!!! I could easily see IAD-DEL/BOM (market "capital to capital" like they did for IAD-PEK, but i guess equipment is needed) by UA and maybe even a PHL-BOM/DEL by US (long shot).

The route UAL needs to launch is SFO-BLR.
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:34 am

Quoting Artsyman (Reply 16):
Congrats to CO, but as one poster already stated - without a flat bed, that would be agony
****

This flat bed issue really gets taken too far. a few months ago I flew on Singapore Airlines from LAX-SIN and then from SIN-NYC. Both flights were nonstop, both were over 17hrs and both did not have flat bed seats. The A340-500 is their longest (or was) range aircraft, and in the premium cabin, they do not have flat beds, and Singapore are arguably the best carrier out there.

I have flown both the Singapore flights and the Continental long hauls many times, and the slightly slanted seat is just fine.

I agree with your point about the lie flat seat , i did EWR-HKG-EWR on CO's BF and it was very comfortable.
I also did EWR-SIN-EWR on SQ and the slight angle is fine.
not to be off topic or start a debate but I do prefer the spacebed , just because you don't have to worry about the seat in front of you reclining.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 7:49 am

Why does it not start daily are they waiting for the other 777 come off EWR-BRU?
This is probably the last ULH flight from CO till '09
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:04 am

Quoting CO787EWR (Reply 31):
Why does it not start daily are they waiting for the other 777 come off EWR-BRU?
This is probably the last ULH flight from CO till '09

When CO first announced the route the start date was October 30th, the availability of 777s coming off heavy checks early and the overwhelming response to the route prodded CO to push up the start date from October 30th to October 1st albeit at less than daily frequency. The flight will go daily on the originally intended launch date.
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 9:08 am

yes, the early response was overwhelming. The BF cabin has done very nicely for hte start of the route!
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:05 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 32):



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 33):

Thanks, so during the heavy checks was 50 BF Cabin and new AVOD installed
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:05 am

Quoting STT757 (Reply 32):



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 33):

Thanks, so during the heavy checks was 50 BF Cabin and new AVOD installed
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:39 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 15):
I realize this is being nit-picky, and I mean no offense by it; however, EWR-India is almost due north and due south. There really is no "east" or "west":

http://gc.kls2.com

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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:48 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 23):
Couldn't agree more. I'd in fact say that CO got it right with their slightly angled seat, particularly when you take into account that planes don't cruise level....

Exactly!! On all aircraft , but especially on airliners...there is always a 1-3 degree of nose up in cruise..especially 737's.

With this kind of degree up..the back of the seat should be near level..  Big grin

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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 10:52 am

By the way, this nose up is caused by the horizontal stablizer shape and position for a positive control flight attitude working against(sort of) the angle of attack of the wings.

Felipe

[Edited 2007-10-03 03:55:27]
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:06 am

I note that the blog, as well as the official CO press release: http://www.continental.com/web/en-US/apps/vendors/default.aspx? SID=42B828B91BC345D3B992EAC6FF031738&i=PRNEWS, make reference to a 50-seat J, but CO only has 2 50-seat J 772s, and the CO insiders frequently tell us that CO does not "dedicate" aircraft to select routes. If that's true, then shouldn't the press release say 48-50 seats? Or is it the case that one of the new 50-seat J 772s *is* dedicated to this route (contrary to what the CO insiders tell us is the usual practice)? One of the reasons I'm curious about this is because I fly CO 772s a lot and I keep hoping for one of the new ones, but no dice so far; and if they're dedicated to certain hopes, then at least I'lI know not to get my hopes up for nothing.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:13 am

i believe after this month we are required to send either a/c 10/19/20 on our BOM routes for crew rest requirements
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:21 am

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 27):
Wow, this is amazing, 4 years ago who would have thought about a non-stop to India from the US, now in 4 years, we have:

...I wouldn't be surprised if this is eating into some of the European USofA-Europe-India routes....for example, if one flies BA out of SFO, one sees many pax connecting to India...

Quoting STT757 (Reply 29):
The route UAL needs to launch is SFO-BLR.

UA would need to either purchase some planes capable of the route, or they can fly SFO-Asia-BLR....that could be done with their B777's also....
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:29 am

Quoting Amazonphil (Reply 38):
By the way, this nose up is caused by the horizontal stablizer shape and position for a positive control flight attitude working against(sort of) the angle of attack of the wings.

They also purposely fly with a nose up attitude. With an aft CG, the aircraft actually cruises faster and saves fuel! I believe it was a CO pilot who pioneered this method and is now common practise!!!
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 11:47 am

Quoting St530 (Reply 39):
CO only has 2 50-seat J 772s, and the CO insiders frequently tell us that CO does not "dedicate" aircraft to select routes.

..3 now... possibly 4 when Ship012 comes out of Mx.. Have to wait and see on that..
And until now all 777s have gone hither and yound as the wind blows. But BOM may require a certain amount of 'dedication' unneeded in the past. ... Have to see on that too...  eyepopping 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:12 pm

i believe the FED's are requiring our "bunk" a/c to fly this flight.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:22 pm

Quoting Fllcontinental (Reply 24):

Not really, we all sleep in different positions, I have flown on flat angled seats many times and do not sleep, if it is a lay flay seat I sleep, we are all different, yet all the same.
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 5:34 pm

Quoting Flighty (Reply 11):
That's a very very impressive new flight. Congratulations, Continental. And congratulations on EWR-PVG 2009

Yes it is, I just got off the flight--both ways!

The 170 degree seat is just fine. Trust me, I had planned to take care of several things during the flight, but went to sleep after dinner and slept, for the most part, until the before landing meal!

CO flew their newest ship #020 on the route.
 
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:03 pm

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 3):
I hope CO plans EWR-BLR in the near future. The new BLR airport will be operational by April 2008. However, EWR-BLR will be pushing the limits of 772ER's range.

Have you seen this:

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idINBOM1958420071003?rpc=44

It appears the 787 will grant your wish.
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:19 pm

Quoting Copter808 (Reply 46):
Yes it is, I just got off the flight--both ways!

Both ways? Did you fly over and back on the innaugural?

From flightaware, it looks like the flight went out over the Atlantic, passed over Dublin and down a fairly standard Europe/India routing to BOM.

GREKI JUDDS MARTN TOPPS N125A YAY HECKK
5300N 05000W 5400N 04000W 5400N 03000W
5400N 02000W DOGAL UN544 BABAN UN544
DEVOL UL975 LIFFY UL975 WAL UM16 DOLAS
UL603 ARNEM UL620 KOPIT UL620 RIVOS
UL851 KUGOS UT33 CRM UT34 RENGI UT36
DERIL UG8 ALRAM G208 UMH UL124 KEBUD
L124 PG G210 BBB
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RE: CO Starts EWR-BOM Non-Stop

Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:27 pm

Quoting Mk777 (Reply 27):
4 years ago who would have thought about a non-stop to India from the US

  • UA, as they tried to launch one.
  • CO did as well, about a half-decade ago. Too bad at that point, a 656K 772ER would've struggled too much to be efficient.

    Oh well, at least Bushie did one thing right, for CO anyways  Wink

    Quoting STT757 (Reply 29):
    The route UAL needs to launch is SFO-BLR.

    ...and get an aircraft that can do it nonstop, as none in their fleet currently can.

    Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 21):
    More like "read: EWR-LOS" and "read: EWR-DXB".

    Still think they'd go that route (literally), with carriers like EK taking the fight straight home to their roost?
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