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Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:05 am

According to the letter I received from Continental's Vice President of Ops, CO will be retiring it's 737-300/500 series a/c starting next year with Next Gen 737s. Hopefully this isn't already out there! How many planes are they replacing then. Any thoughts?
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:10 am

Seven -300s are being dumped in 2008. 737-500s exiting from service: 3 in 2007, 12 in 2008 (10 of which are being sold to Transaero). 12 737-800s are being delivered in 2008 and 21 737-900ERs are being delivered in 2008, so yeah - I'd say your "letter" is somewhat accurate.

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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:14 am

Taking delivery of 33 planes in one year, from one manufacturer is a lot. We are gonna be seeing a lot of CO planes comin off of assembly at the factory. Can't wait to see there fuel bill drop  Smile

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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:17 am

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 1):
2008 and 21 737-900ERs are being delivered in 2008,

Well that's not a "replacement" for a 733 or a 735.... that's a 170 pax aircraft compared to 110-120. Are they going to have any 100 pax aircraft or is there going to be a gap in the 75-140 range for CO?

It will be interesting to watch that 739ER fleet fly.
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Flighty (Reply 3):
Well that's not a "replacement" for a 733 or a 735.... that's a 170 pax aircraft compared to 110-120. Are they going to have any 100 pax aircraft or is there going to be a gap in the 75-140 range for CO?

It will be interesting to watch that 739ER fleet fly.

Or, maybe - just maybe - the -700 deployment will be adjusted to compensate?
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:54 am

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 4):
Or, maybe - just maybe - the -700 deployment will be adjusted to compensate?

This will likely be the case. As Flighty mentioned, this will not be a direct replacement but as the saying goes" out with the old and in with the new" With 36 700's, Ops will be able to ulilize these fairly well and compensate. The locations that the current 300/500 fly already have 700's show up on occasions during the week/month... RDU, OKC.etc...


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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting Flynavy (Reply 1):
737-500s exiting from service: 3 in 2007

The first 737-524 to exit the fleet in this round, N14660, has already flown it's last flight with CO.

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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:18 am

I think that Cal has also found the 100 seater to be a bit small in most mainline markets.
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:18 am

I know they do not want it but I wish CO would order some -600's. How does WESTJET like theirs I wonder.
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:21 am

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 8):
I know they do not want it but I wish CO would order some -600's.

Basically a modern 500 sizewise..although the engines would be more efficient.

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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:28 am

How is CO the only major American airline able to maintain a new fleet?
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:31 am

Well we started our replacement program much later than everyone else.

We used to have one of the oldest fleets.
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 4:50 am

Any idea who is getting the 500s that will be retired? Aviacsa, Aerolíneas Argentinas perhaps?
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:08 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 12):
Any idea who is getting the 500s that will be retired? Aviacsa, Aerolíneas Argentinas perhaps?

10 of them to Transaero of Russia by the end of this year. Another 5 in 2008 to yet to be announced buyers.

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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:44 am

Ah, cool. Thanks for the info Felipe. Wish 6A would get a few of those birds.
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 10:50 am

Will CO take delivery of E-Jets, they seem to be the right size to replace the 737-500 ?
737-700s,-800s and -900ERs don´t seem to be the right replacement for the -500 and CO is a huge Embraer customer, too.
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 12:59 pm

Not all the 737-300s and 737-500s are being retired, in fact the remaining are being fitted with winglets. As for the E-170-175-190 CO executives say they will look at them later down the road but for now they are not pursuing a purchase for two reasons, first they only need about 20-30 of them and second the scope clause with their pilots requires CO mainline pilots fly jet aircraft of 70+ seats. Which is why CO is acquiring Q-400s.

Larry and Jeff announced recently that the ERJs will be EWR, replaced by larger mainline aircraft. CO wants to increase the amount of passengers they handle at EWR without increasing flights, thus most ERJs will be replaced by 737s on longer or heavier traffic routes or Q-400s on shorter hops. Some ERJ routes will remain to serve to long thin Regional Markets, the ERJs will be moved from EWR to CLE and IAH.
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:18 pm

Quoting Max Q (Reply 11):
Well we started our replacement program much later than everyone else.

Other US airlines have a fleet replacement schedule? Big grin
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:19 pm

I presume the 737-900ERs will replace the 757s currently flying on many domestic routes, which will then be redeployed for international expansion.
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 1:35 pm

Most 757-200's run international routes, the 757-300 is domestic only..The 737-900 would be a replacement for long haul domestic routes.
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 16):
and second the scope clause with their pilots requires CO mainline pilots fly jet aircraft of 70+ seats.

A small correction; the CO pilot "Scope" section requires that CO mainline pilots fly any jet larger than 50 seats.
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 3:01 pm

Would CO be interested in DE 757-300s ? I am asking because I don´t believe AB wants to keep them after they acquired DE because it would be an oddball in the fleet and the fleet is as diverse enough as it is right now.
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:39 pm

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 19):
The 737-900 would be a replacement for long haul domestic routes.

I'm assuming you mean the 737-900ER would be the replacement.. the current 900A's do not possess too much in the way of "long haul". There doesn't seem to be any flights past 4.5hrs. in CO's domestic operation I believe. While it's possible they could do transcons with a good wind(mainly eastbound) and keep IFR reserves but this is not really practical for this aircraft.

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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:49 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 21):
Would CO be interested in DE 757-300s ?

The 757-300 is a great aircraft for CO, no lower CASM way to move around 200 passengers domestically. Also perfectly suited for beefing up flights to Latin America and the Caribbean, if additional RR powered 757-300s were to become available I hope CO would give serious consideration to acquiring those aircraft.
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:05 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 23):
The 757-300 is a great aircraft for CO, no lower CASM way to move around 200 passengers domestically. Also perfectly suited for beefing up flights to Latin America and the Caribbean, if additional RR powered 757-300s were to become available I hope CO would give serious consideration to acquiring those aircraft.

The 753's are the lowest CSAM plane in the domestic fleet now. I think when the ATA units came on, they would have certainly taken more. Now, CO opted for the 739's. So, not sure if they'd pick up the 753's. They sure are nice rides either way.
 
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RE: Continental Fleet Replacment

Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:26 pm

Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 24):
The 753's are the lowest CSAM plane in the domestic fleet now. I think when the ATA units came on, they would have certainly taken more. Now, CO opted for the 739's. So, not sure if they'd pick up the 753's. They sure are nice rides either way.

They originally ordered the 757-300 and 737-900 at the same time, so they always intended them to operate together vs a one or the other plan. The 737-900ER is not much more of a jump in capacity vs the 737-900, as mentioned it's the range that was needed for EWR-West Coast and IAH-Latin America.

The 757-300 is in a totally different category than the 737-900ER, although the range is similar. The 757-300 offers four more First Class seats and a huge Y cabin compared to the 737-900ER, I see the need for any where between 4-7 additional 757-300s.
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