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Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:54 am

Interesting article from Monday's Miami Herald:

http://www.miamiherald.com/business/story/262174.html

In short, it's in an interview Nigel Page, Emirates' Vice President for American operations. He confirms Emirates interest in serving to Miami, citing one reason being the cruise ship industry (which moves a lot of traffic between Miami and the Middle East/Asia), though doesn't give a timeline outside of being in Emirates' "ten year plan" (the audio interview linked in the sidebar goes into a little more detail than the print article).

While there are certainly other more important bases for Emirates to cover in North America - in particular Chicago, LA, San Francisco, and Washington - it's cool to get some official word from the airline that Miami is in the cards. I would guess it is at least 3-4 years out, though.
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:12 am

which equipment would they use to MIA?
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:23 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 1):
which equipment would they use to MIA?

A380 - what else ?
 
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:41 pm

If its with a stop via Europe than the B772ER would be fine, otherwise they would have to use the -200LR...I don't see them using the A345 on that route..not because the plane isn't capable, but because the A345 is used more higher yielding routes...IMHO...

As Mark stated however, they will be flying to other cities such as LAX and ORD first.......that being said, would be nice to see EK colours @ MIA.... yes 
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:16 pm

I damn see an A380 with a stop at CDG to take some pax
AF will use the A380 too: they need a bit of competition!!
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 1:49 pm

The MIA people love to play up the fact Air France and Lufthansa will fly the A380 to Miami, fat chance in the next 5 years; when NRT, LAX, JFK, HKG, SIN, GRU and SFO then may be Miami.

Emirates would fly a 777-200LR/300ER to start, then maybe an A380. I question if the A380 can even fly that route, most people have this mis-conception an A380 can fly farthur then a 777, it can't. It carries more people, that is what the A380 is about, SIZE. Who knows may be British Airways will surprise us all and fly it to Miami, but not before the ususal Pacific Ocean cities in the USA and Asia.
 
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 2:12 pm

Didn't know Cubans traveled to the Far East  silly 
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:29 pm

MIA could also make a great stop for EK flights enroute to cities further down south  Smile

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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:09 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 6):
Didn't know Cubans traveled to the Far East   

Or the Arabs traveleled to Cuba  Silly


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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:25 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
most people have this mis-conception an A380 can fly farthur then a 777

...um, perhaps because it can?
The A388's stated range is greater than all T7s except of course the 772LR. Granted, whether it actually lives up to that is somewhat questionable and definitely yet to be discovered, but still.
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 7:35 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
The MIA people love to play up the fact Air France and Lufthansa will fly the A380 to Miami, fat chance in the next 5 years; when NRT, LAX, JFK, HKG, SIN, GRU and SFO then may be Miami.

The "MIA people"? How about the airlines themselves.

Mr. Fajardo said it would take approximately 18 months to modify the gate to accommodate the A380, so the airport needs a "two-year head start" and a commitment from an airline before proceeding. Both Air France and Lufthansa have expressed interest in flying the A380 into Miami International.
Lufthansa spokeswoman Jennifer Urbaniak said the airline is considering Miami among other possibilities. "Miami is certainly one possibility," she said. "Other cities we are studying include New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, San Francisco and Washington, DC.Ý We'll take delivery of our first A380 in 2009 but are yet to decide where this first plane will operate to. Key hubs in North America and Asia are the priorities."
Air France did not respond to inquiries.

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/070816/story6.shtml

Check your facts before making idiotic assumptions based on no facts. My money is on MIA being one of Lufthansa's first A380 destinations.

MIA is also an ideal A380 destination for BA's A380s, and, along with LAX, will probably be one of the first North American cities that BA uses the A380 to.

[Edited 2007-10-08 12:47:44]
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:19 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Check your facts before making idiotic assumptions based on no facts. My money is on MIA being one of Lufthansa's first A380 destinations.

MIA is also an ideal A380 destination for BA's A380s, and, along with LAX, will probably be one of the first North American cities that BA uses the A380 to.

This is exactly the kind of quote I'm talking about, the local manager of an airline like Lufthansa or AF talks it up to the local press to make a statement. Air France will fly its A380 first to JFK and Montreal na dthen to Japan, this has all been announced. If you read between the lines these cities have two conditions MIA doesn't meet, multiple frequencies and/or slot restrictions. MIA doesn't get more then one AF or LH flight or have slot restrictions like JFK or Tokyo.
 
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 8:24 pm

Quoting Ronerone (Reply 7):
MIA could also make a great stop for EK flights enroute to cities further down south

Many people now prefer to avoid stopping or connecting in the USA en route to other countries due to all the security and visa hassles.
 
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 11):
Air France will fly its A380 first to JFK and Montreal na dthen to Japan, this has all been announced. If you read between the lines these cities have two conditions MIA doesn't meet, multiple frequencies and/or slot restrictions. MIA doesn't get more then one AF or LH flight or have slot restrictions like JFK or Tokyo.

Those aren't the only "requirements", as if there were any. MIA is the perfect A380 destination because it does not necessitate an additional frequency, but will very much welcome the added capacity, especially on Lufthansa and Air France. ORD, MIA, SFO, LAX, and JFK are probably the only US airports that will, short term, see the A380. Just because Air France isn't sending the A380 first to MIA, does not necessarily mean they won't send it in the future. While I don't think AF will send their A380s to MIA soon, I do think LH will.
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:24 pm

I don't know if there's sufficient demand to justify an A380 from DXB to MIA, but if there is, it wouldn't surprise me if EK does send the A380 to MIA.

BTW: Given this aggressive expansion from EK, is there a place they DON'T want to go?
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:26 pm

What about an EK flight with a stop in west africa? DXB-Lagos-MIA?
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:46 pm

I wonder if we are going to see Emirates expand with 5th freedom rights from the US, as they are doing with JFK-HAM. Emirates, even in smaller markets, like to do 2-3x daily flights. In the future, I don't think it is out of the question, traffic rights pending, that they could be flying, for example, MIA-DXB and MIA-MXP-DXB, IAH-DXB and IAH-FRA-DXB, LAX-DXB and LAX-PVG-DXB, etc., etc.
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:20 pm

That would be awesome!

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
The MIA people love to play up the fact Air France and Lufthansa will fly the A380 to Miami,

Now, is MIA having plans to configure the airport to receive a series of A380s?

I'm aware that the new terminal J is not configured to receive the big dude... any plans so far?
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:21 pm

That would be awesome!

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
The MIA people love to play up the fact Air France and Lufthansa will fly the A380 to Miami,

Now, is MIA having plans to configure the airport to receive a series of A380s?

I'm aware that the new terminal J is not configured to receive the big dude... any plans so far?
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:08 pm

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 8):
Or the Arabs traveleled to Cuba

Actually there are a number of Arabs in Cuba. All received free flights and accommodation courtesy of Uncle Sam.  Wink

It's just mind blowing how voracious EK's appetite is. Let's see what unfolds. This to me smells of being diversionary tactic at this point.

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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:29 pm

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
Given this aggressive expansion from EK, is there a place they DON'T want to go?

TLV  biggrin 
 
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:14 pm

As MAH4546 mentions, Lufthansa and Air France have already expressed interest in flying the A380 to Miami. Both already fly the 744 daily to MIA, so a capacity upgrade to the A380 isn't very far fetched. Also, and somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't BA already fly 2 daily 744s LHR-MIA? That being the case, BA putting the A380 on this route isn't very far fetched either.

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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:15 pm

Quoting 797 (Reply 18):
Now, is MIA having plans to configure the airport to receive a series of A380s?

I'm aware that the new terminal J is not configured to receive the big dude... any plans so far?

MIA is ready to handle the A380, including A380-capable gates in Concourse J with large waiting areas. Once MIA gets a commitment from Virgin, Air France, Lufthansa, or British Airways, they will install dual-loading jet-bridges in Concourse J to make boarding/disembarking a lot easier.
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:36 pm

Well, isn't it feasible to think that most major urban centres with a decent sized economy and little or no competition to the Middle East will eventually see EK (or EY for that matter) service? I mean, they've got 40+ A380s on order along with the slew of other aircraft and they don't seem to turnover their fleet with the same regularity as airlines like SQ. I think it's only a matter of time before most large, international US cities get service from one of these airlines (whether it be EK or EY, etc). So, MIA just make sense. Now, let's sit back and wait for the announcements to roll in.

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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:39 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 19):
Actually there are a number of Arabs in Cuba. All received free flights and accommodation courtesy of Uncle Sam.  

Guantanamo is United States soil  Wink

 Silly

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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:40 pm

Quoting LH423 (Reply 23):
Well, isn't it feasible to think that most major urban centres with a decent sized economy and little or no competition to the Middle East will eventually see EK (or EY for that matter) service? I mean, they've got 40+ A380s on order along with the slew of other aircraft and they don't seem to turnover their fleet with the same regularity as airlines like SQ. I think it's only a matter of time before most large, international US cities get service from one of these airlines (whether it be EK or EY, etc). So, MIA just make sense. Now, let's sit back and wait for the announcements to roll in.

Agreed. And I think for the next 3-4 years, we are going to see those carriers focusing on expanding in the Americas. It will be fun to watch.
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:51 pm

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 20):
Quoting LTU932 (Reply 14):
Given this aggressive expansion from EK, is there a place they DON'T want to go?

TLV

I forgot about that.  Wink I just hope SJO isn't included in that list of places they don't want to go. I wouldn't mind the detour through DXB when going to HAMBig grin

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 22):
MIA is ready to handle the A380, including A380-capable gates in Concourse J with large waiting areas. Once MIA gets a commitment from Virgin, Air France, Lufthansa, or British Airways, they will install dual-loading jet-bridges in Concourse J to make boarding/disembarking a lot easier.

I'm sure it's only a matter of time until LH announces that MIA will be upgraded to an A380.
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:31 pm

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 24):
Guantanamo is United States soil

Actually, it is AFAIK Cuban soil leased to the US. The fact is that it is still on the island of Cuba.
 
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:13 am

Now I'm not sure of the amount of passengers traveling between DXB and MIA but perhaps a quick A332 through a western european city so that not only do you get passengers going all the way but you get the cruise families coming from the UK.
 
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Wed Oct 10, 2007 4:30 am

Quoting C010T3 (Reply 27):
Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 24):
Guantanamo is United States soil

Actually, it is AFAIK Cuban soil leased to the US. The fact is that it is still on the island of Cuba.

Correct, it's a lease. See the history section in the right hand column here:
http://www.cnic.navy.mil/Guantanamo/index.htm
 
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Wed Oct 10, 2007 7:39 am

I would have thought DXB-MIA would be a 77L route?
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:24 pm

I was at MIA yesterday waiting for a flight from Latin America but saw Air France's 744 gate on Concourse H(Delta's). The space between concourses H & J is HUGE, why could an A380 use the same gate Air France used ? It was not at the end of the concurse but in the middle on the east side of concourse H. Given a 744 at MIA normally uses one jetway, a way to use two jetways could be solved easily at concourse H.
 
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Thu Oct 11, 2007 5:55 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
I wonder if we are going to see Emirates expand with 5th freedom rights from the US, as they are doing with JFK-HAM. Emirates, even in smaller markets, like to do 2-3x daily flights. In the future, I don't think it is out of the question, traffic rights pending, that they could be flying, for example, MIA-DXB and MIA-MXP-DXB, IAH-DXB and IAH-FRA-DXB, LAX-DXB and LAX-PVG-DXB, etc., etc.

This is exactly an example quote that shows MAH4546 knows his airline industry. Actually, with AZ cutting MIA-MXP, EK would be perfect to fill that missing void. MIA-MXP is exactly what EK is after. Fill up the front with lucrative business contracts and the back with leisure VFR. If EK can use 5th freedoms, I believe it could be a winner for EK. Add the continuing service to DXB and we have a winner.
 
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting Sflaflight (Reply 31):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 16):
I wonder if we are going to see Emirates expand with 5th freedom rights from the US, as they are doing with JFK-HAM. Emirates, even in smaller markets, like to do 2-3x daily flights. In the future, I don't think it is out of the question, traffic rights pending, that they could be flying, for example, MIA-DXB and MIA-MXP-DXB, IAH-DXB and IAH-FRA-DXB, LAX-DXB and LAX-PVG-DXB, etc., etc.

This is exactly an example quote that shows MAH4546 knows his airline industry. Actually, with AZ cutting MIA-MXP, EK would be perfect to fill that missing void. MIA-MXP is exactly what EK is after. Fill up the front with lucrative business contracts and the back with leisure VFR. If EK can use 5th freedoms, I believe it could be a winner for EK. Add the continuing service to DXB and we have a winner.

These "possible" routes are all well and good for banter but it is going to take a lot to secure the rights they need to operate some of these types of route especially from certain rigid governments.

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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:56 am

A MIA service is no surprise. The Arab world has a facination for Florida and Mickey Mouse and that kinda thing. The weather reminds them of home.

Not sure it will warrant the use of a A380 though. But since they will have plenty of them to use, why not.

Daily DXB-RVN with an A380, now that would be a surprise.  Wow!
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Thu Oct 11, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting YOWza (Reply 32):

These "possible" routes are all well and good for banter but it is going to take a lot to secure the rights they need to operate some of these types of route especially from certain rigid governments.

No it's not. First off, the US and the U.A.E. have Open Skies, so Emirates already has broad authority to fly between any airport in the U.A.E. and any airport in the U.S. non-stop or via any other airport in the world. The U.S. and EU will also be Open Skies starting at the end of March 2008. So all that would need to be negotiated is traffic rights with the third party country. And it the U.A.E. happens to have Open Skies with that third party country, then nothing needs to be negotiated. There will be very little red tape for Emirates to start 5th freedom routes between Western Europe and the USA. They had no red-tape to start JFK-HAM, they won't have red tape for most routes. Western Europe isn't Latin America. They are very open and liberal about new air services. Spain and Italy might prove to be the most restrictive.
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RE: Emirates Eyes Miami

Fri Oct 12, 2007 11:43 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 35):
So all that would need to be negotiated is traffic rights with the third party country.

I realize that the DXB-HAM-JFK trot has been a success. However, as the pot starts to boil when EU nations start establishing full open skies with the US they will tighten the leash. I'm am sure of this. While many people are focusing on (for example) how BA will start operating from the continent to the US and the cascading effect that will have with continent based carriers trying to fly from the UK to the US there is the very distinct possibility that the technicalities of transitivity will be called into question as a means of cutting out non-EU and non-US carriers. Like it or not most EU countries exercise a degree of protectionism and this is something that I am sure will come to the fore.

If Country A has open skies with Country B, and Country B has open skies with Country C the ability of C's carriers to use B's airports as a jump off point to A are NOT guaranteed and even if they were this does not necessarily allow for C's carriers to sell tickets from B-A or A-B. As we all know empty planes are not the way to make money. This is something that can (and I believe) will be distorted to serve the interest of the nations with the most leverage, i.e. Countries B (Europe) when the time comes. There are going to be a lot of lawyers making a lot of money at that juncture.

I am not contesting what you have said... on paper, but in aviation and politics there are few such certainties. I will even take on a sportsman's bet with you that protectionism in this form WILL appear. Keep in mind that open skies encapsulates a number of provisos. Amongst them:

"Fair and Equal Opportunity to Compete" If you think EU/US carriers are not going to kick up a fuss about some of the operating practices employed by the likes of QR/EK/EY such as the murky relationship with their respective royal families and the fact that those same families own their hubs airports you are in for a treat.

"Safety and Security" Again EU/US carriers will kick up a fuss about this. For instance QR is regulated by the Qatar Civil Aviation Administration which has shorted mandatory rest periods for pilots between stages to ease the burden of pilots shortages at QR in the past by order of royal decree. This type of thing will at some point be used as ammo to cut down QR.

Trust me we're in for a shit storm.

YOWza

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