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New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 2:49 pm

I'm really amazed that the original post was deleted......Anyway there should be a big announcement about it today..Stay tuned...........................
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:37 pm

Quoting LHPDX (Thread starter):
I'm really amazed that the original post was deleted......Anyway there should be a big announcement about it today..Stay tuned...........................

I am so excited to hear that this is confirmed. A few months ago, I had a great conversation with a NWA executive on a flight to NRT from PDX. He had stated that the PDX-AMS flight was on the horizon. This is great news. Way to go NWA!!!
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:41 pm

Great news for PDX! Congratulations.

I assume that this will be with a 332. Is it going to be seperate from the PDX-NRT flight, or will there be a NRT-PDX-AMS-PDX-NRT type routing for the plane?

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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:46 pm

Anyone who knows how the load factor of the LH FRA-PDX route is? Maybe NW and Skyteam are trying to get a share of this.
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:49 pm

Truly took me by surprise. This will be great for PDX!

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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:51 pm

This has been a great week for AMS! Just where do they get the slots from?

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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 3:55 pm

Quoting KL911 (Thread starter):
Just where do they get the slots from?

As KL/AF/NW are Amsterdam's biggest clients I guess they call the shots.. eeeh, slots  Wink
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:14 pm

WOW! this is awesome.
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:19 pm

It would be great if NWA would add more connecting flights to PDX to support these new international flights...
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:19 pm

Indeed great news. I have been wondering why AF opened SEA and not PDX which was not served by KLM. After all they are bragging around their way of "sharing" destiations between them, and how convenient it is for customers. Now with this announcement it makes much more sense to me!
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:22 pm

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 8):
It would be great if NWA would add more connecting flights to PDX to support these new international flights...

...you mean like a west coast hub?!?!?!?!?  duck 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:31 pm

Portland could never support a true 'hub"' I'm thinking something along the line of a "focus city"....A flight to LAX, LAS, Calgary, SfO, MEM, MKE and possibly IND..............................
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:50 pm

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 11):
Portland could never support a true 'hub"' I'm thinking something along the line of a "focus city"....A flight to LAX, LAS, Calgary, SfO, MEM, MKE and possibly IND..............................

They already have connecting flights, ala AS.
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 4:57 pm

Looks like it will be announced at 2:30 Eastern, 11:30 West Coast

This will be good news for Nike and Wieden+Kennedy, with both companies having major operations on both sides of the route.

[Edited 2007-10-09 09:59:33]
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:04 pm

Quoting RafflesKing (Reply 13):
Looks like it will be announced at 2:30 Eastern, 11:30 West Coast

This will be good news for Nike and Wieden+Kennedy, with both companies having major operations on both sides of the route.

Nike has their European headquarters in the Netherlands and Weiden has an office in Amsterdam. I believe that Intel has a pretty big office in Amsterdam as well.
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:39 pm

IF this is true... then YES! Sorely needed European alternative to Lufthansa (who has to just be making a killing right now) from PDX. I'm guessing A332 equipment?

Congratulations Port of Portland and Northwest!
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:41 pm

Awesome news for one of the best airports in the world!! I think this service will do very well for NW. Great to see additional european frequencies cropping up on the left coast.
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 5:53 pm

Gosh with this new announcement, which totally caught me by surprise, what other new routes can we expect for PDX?
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:11 pm

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 17):
Gosh with this new announcement, which totally caught me by surprise, what other new routes can we expect for PDX?

How about a wish list?

PDX - Hong Kong
PDX - Seoul
PDX - Mazatlan
PDX - Toronto
PDX - Montreal
PDX - Taipei
PDX - Shanghai
PDX - Manila
PDX - Osaka
PDX - London
PDX - Paris

Probably out of all of this, PDX - Mazatlan has the only real chance. But it would be great if any of these were to be realized. Especially if a Skyteam member was the one flying it.

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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:39 pm

I was wondering why there were a bunch of ties hanging around the Northwest counter this morning. Good for Northwest and PDX. Maybe they will reopen the Duty Free shop on the D councourse now.
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 6:43 pm

"I was wondering why there were a bunch of ties hanging around the Northwest counter this morning. Good for Northwest and PDX. Maybe they will reopen the Duty Free shop on the D councourse now."

This seems like a good indication that something big is on the horizon for PDX!
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:01 pm

Here's the official press release courtesy of yahoo.

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/071009/20071009006366.html?.v=1

Looks like they will indeed operate this flight with enough flexibility to cross utilize the NRT and AMS equipment. Both a/c will be on the ground at the same time with plenty of turn time built in. Late afternoon from PDX with late morning arrival in AMS. The return is a late morning departure from AMS arriving PDX near noon. As speculated, operated with 332 equipment.


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[Edited 2007-10-09 12:05:26]
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:21 pm

I wonder if Alaska/Horizon plan to add more flights next year at PDX to help support this new service?
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:23 pm

So great! Im very happy, and extremely surprised!

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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 7:38 pm

The Northwest CEO stated "with the success of the narita service out of PDX, that PDX was a natural choice and won out over several competing cities for this route"...I had no idea that PDX was even a candidate .........I'm really loving my airport and city right now!
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:27 pm

The flight arrives at AMS at 1100 but departs at 1030? What's the reason for that? Why not arriving in AMS earlier in the morning  Confused
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:48 pm

So this is a daily service. Impressive for a city that didn't have any transatlantic operations e few months ago, now 2 airlines are competing on a market which was nonexistant rather recently. Is LH flight daily?
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 8:50 pm

Quoting Icna05e (Reply 26):
So this is a daily service. Impressive for a city that didn't have any transatlantic operations e few months ago, now 2 airlines are competing on a market which was nonexistant rather recently. Is LH flight daily?

Yes it is daily. It has been operating for around 2 - 3 years now, I believe.
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting ZL (Reply 25):

Because of the number of A330 aircraft NW operates, it is not necessary to utilize the same aircraft on the return leg of the outbound flights. Usually, like NRT, NW will perform some light to moderate maintenance at its hub cities, so it works out well.

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 27):

LH operates, generally, daily from March thru October, then reduces the schedule to 5 days per week. During the peak holiday period, it will sometimes add extra sections to provide more lift.

I am very excited to see NW provide this needed lift to Europe from PDX. From what I've seen, numbers wise, the LH flights have been operating nearly 80% full year round. Hopefully, with the NW/AS/QX feed, this will mean more connection opportunities via PDX to Europe from the West Coast/West Canada.
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:18 pm

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 27):
been operating for around 2 - 3 years now

oups sorry. I thought it was much more recent than that! How long have I been in front of this computer??? What year is this?  Smile
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 9:34 pm

It also helps to solidify PDX people to NWA / Skyteam, particularly the road warrior Elites. With service to Europe & Asia it helps build loyalty, as passengers will easily be able to build up status & miles if they do a lot of international travel.
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 10:35 pm

Speaking of Skyteam, maybe now is the time for NW and DL to switch bagrooms/ticket counters at PDX (if they haven't already?)...I'm not sure the NWA bagroom can facilitate another int'l flight.
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:02 pm

Northwest's bagroom is really small. I don't know if Northwest would want to spend the money to repair the Delta's automated bag sorter.
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:05 pm

I heard about this on my local news this morning and I was pleasantly surprised. I really thought NW's AMS project wouldn't happen at least until next year. Guess I was wrong!

Great news for PDX! Can't wait to see the NW A332's more frequently in PDX.

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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:17 pm

PDX could very well see multiple intercon-capable widebodies on the ground at one time once more. How awesome!

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I'm really loving my airport and city right now!

...wish I knew what that was like.  

Oh well, PDX could very well end up being my home city-- so who knows.

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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:29 pm

Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 32):
Northwest's bagroom is really small. I don't know if Northwest would want to spend the money to repair the Delta's automated bag sorter.

Is that what the problem is? I just got back from a trip to NYC and my lord it took forever to get my bag! I can say this, at PDX it does not matter if you have a "Priority" tag on your luggage or not, it will take them 15-20 minutes to get the belt even started. Sad
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:39 am

Now the question begs, will NWA finally open up a permanant FA crew base there? It would seem PDX almost has as much flying as SEA does so it would seem logical to do so.  crossfingers  this might happen so maybe some of the SEA based people will transfer out so I can finally get into the SEA.
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 12:53 am

Could we see NW open open routes like PDX - MEM or PDX - IND with the E175's? They should have the legs for it and it would be fewer seats to fill than an A319. SEA sees seasonal service to IND I believe, could this become year round with the E175's? This could help feed the NRT/AMS/Hawaii flights in slower times to support the service. Plus with all the feed from AS/QX, maybe it could work.

Any thoughts?
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:19 am

I posted this in another thread.

Kind of interesting to look at. Comparison of SEA-NRT-ICN/SEA-AMS-BOM to PDX-NRT-SIN/PDX-AMS.
Take what you want from it. But kind of interesting that they are not flying aircraft AMS-PDX-NRT but it seems they are using separate aircraft for PDX-AMS and PDX-NRT.

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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 1:30 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 36):
It would seem PDX almost has as much flying as SEA does so it would seem logical to do so.

Hardly, 44 flights a day on peak days compared to 16 flights a day out of PDX. Not only does PDX lack IND and MEM service, not to mention the OGG/KOA flight that SEA has, there is also a big difference in the frequencies of flights between DTW/MSP and SEA compared to PDX. PDX is not quite there yet.
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:09 am

NWA can easily cross utilize the planes in PDX. The arrival from NRT is early morning with the PDX arrival at noon. The flights depart to NRT and AMS at 1435 and 1605. With both aircraft on the ground at the same time providing enough turn times, the inbound NRT a/c could potentially be sent to AMS that afternoon. Same goes for the inbound from AMS, it could potentially be used to NRT after a quick turn.

I suspect they intentionally scheduled it this way, to provide flexibility. IF the flight is ever late coming out of AMS, then NRT isn't affected by using the a/c already there.


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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:40 am

Any idea how these flights are going to be crewed? I'm curious how the Narita flight is crewed as well. Do NW Flight Attendants stay just international- or do they switch between domestic and international on one pairing/rotation/ID (whatever it is they may call it).

I'm thinking something like DTW-NRT-PDX-NRT-DTW and DTW/MSP-AMS-PDX-AMS-DTW/MSP.

or...

Would they have crews coming in off a 757-300 from MSP or HNL layover... then put those two crews together to go to AMS or NRT?? Then the inbound flight from AMS or NRT would split into two crews as well. I get this idea from the old TWA days when they'd fly a 747 across the pond then split to fly the 727s intra-Europe (side thought: did UA and DL do the same thing as well with their intra-Europe flying?!?!). I realize the TWA example is all international flying- but with NW Flight Attendants more or less forced into their current contract- I could see this being beneficial to the company.

Granted- I could be way off. This is just a thought I have.

Any ideas NWA crew?
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 2:58 am

I was really surprised to check in today and see this. Portland's existing level of service to Europe (the daily LH flight) is comparable to the service to Europe in similarly-sized markets that don't host huge airline hubs (see below) and I really wasn't expecting to see another carrier enter that market so soon after LH did. Portland is now the only U.S. city with a market of two to three million people and no airline hub with two options to Europe, and it's on the low end of that population scale. I suppose we'll see what happens after the route starts operating--I can see both LH and NW doing well and I can see one of them dropping out of the market. Should be interesting to keep an eye on.

Congrats to all parties involved, I know the PDX folks were really hoping for this one.

Europe service in non-hub markets with populations of 2-3 million:
San Diego (pop. 2,941,454): no current service to Europe
St. Louis (pop. 2,796,368): no current service to Europe
Tampa (pop. 2,697,731): BA flies TPA-LGW
Baltimore (pop. 2,658,405): BA flies BWI-LHR
Pittsburgh (pop. 2,370,776): no current service to Europe
Portland (2,137,565): LH flies PDX-FRA, NW announced PDX-AMS

It should be noted that all the markets of 2-3 million people that have more than carrier/flight serving Europe (DEN, CVG, CLE) host airline hubs and therefore do not rely primarily on O/D traffic to support the service. That was all researched pretty quickly, so corrections are welcome.
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:06 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 42):
I was really surprised to check in today and see this

You're not the only one. I stand corrected on my assertion that it wouldn't happen. Portland must have an amazing incentives program or marketing team.

Lufthansa to Frankfurt, Northwest to Tokyo and Amsterdam, and Mexicana to Mexico.

That's a lot of international flying for an area the size of Portland
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:09 am

I figure I'm with most Portlanders, hoping the NW creates it's own feed, instead of taking pax from the LH flight.

Will be interesting to see how it play out, but would hate to see one airline suffer at the hands of the other.
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 42):
Baltimore (pop. 2,658,405): BA flies BWI-LHR

Also Icelandair BWI-KEF, daily in the summer and about 4/weekly in the winter..
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 41):
Any ideas NWA crew?

Well, several examples are worked in this order when operating an international flight from a station that is not a crew base. For instance, routes we formerly operated were done in this fashion.
the MIA-AMS flight was operated as a 6day pattern, usually by an MSP or DTW based crew making up the common crew(the 6 FA's needed for min crew) with 1 or 2 DTW or BOS based FA's to make up the the add positions
MIA-AMS: 6 DTW or MSP FA's, and 2 DTW or BOS FA's
IAD-AMS: was a DTW crew with MSP adds
PHL-AMS: was an NYC crew with DTW add FA's
LAS-NRT: originally was an LAX crew position on an A320 form LAX to fly the LAS-NRT-LAS flight. Later on, it went to the MSP base until it ceased
Presently:
PDX-NRT is crewed by a split crew of MSP and DTW FA's with a HNL FA. It sometimes goes to an SFO or LAX crew depending on the number of hours available for bid versus the number of people at the base.

I would imagine that opening up a crew base in PDX would make sense since we have a number of PDX commuters that would gladly transfer there and since we 3 int'l routes(HNL is considered an int'l destination according to the company), having a crew base there would be a safe bet for the operation. I'm hopeful
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:17 am

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 43):
That's a lot of international flying for an area the size of Portland

Considering PDX is 10 hours from Europe and 10 hours from Asia, it's not a big suprise. People in general on the west coast seem to be well-traveled than other areas of the country, so the demand is higher for international service, as evidenced by the fact PDX won this flight over other candidates.

Personally, I'd only use the LH fllight, as I'm a *A member, and I don't like how NW treats it's people. Not like UA is a shining star, but I'm not going to trip over myself to fly NW.

PDX has really evolved in the last 25 years. I remember the UA 2x per week to NRT, then the rise and fall of DL, and now this resurgence. I can only hope LH and NW have learned from DL's mistakes, and it seems like they have. Time will tell. I too hope one flight to Europe doesn't come at the cost of another. No one wants that I don't think. It will really depend on the economy of the PDX area, etc. to see how things shake out.
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:53 am

As much as I love the fact of having two european flights out of PDX in 2008, I just hope that this new service will not cause the demise of our existing Lufthansa service...Can Portland truly serve two international flights to Europe at this time? Beside incentives (PDX is not the only airport offering incentives), what is it about Portland that made Northwest decide to start this new service over other city candidates? I'm also curious to know what other cities NWA was considering?
 
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RE: New PDX-AMS Flight On Northwest

Wed Oct 10, 2007 5:57 am

Portland isn't just the

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 46):
PDX-NRT is crewed by a split crew of MSP and DTW FA's with a HNL FA. It sometimes goes to an SFO or LAX crew depending on the number of hours available for bid versus the number of people at the base.

So it seems the best way to crew an A330 is take a crew from a 757-300 from HNL (which could be HNL FA's) and a 757-300 crew from MSP (MSP/DTW/XXX FA's) and put them on the flight to NRT. After that- the MSP/DTW/HNL/XXX fa's fly a nonstop home while a crew who went nonstop to NRT (from MSP/DTW/XXX) will fly PDX-NRT... layover... then fly one leg home. Is that possible?

HNL FA's:

HNL-PDX-NRT-HNL

DTW FA's:

DTW-MSP-PDX-NRT-DTW

MSP FA's

MSP-PDX-NRT-MSP

The same can be done for AMS.. just replace the NRT with AMS. Obviously HNL crew would not be working those flights but you get my drift....

I don't know why I'm so curious about this. I'm most familiar with United international ops and those are easy to figure out with all their bases worldwide. NWA is very interesting to me considering all the AMS flying they have.

How is the BDL flight crewed? MSP/DTW-BDL-AMS and back?!?! This type of trip could only happen at UA if the crew working BDL-AMS deadheaded to BDL .. layover... and then worked the international flight.

For instance... the SEA/SAN-HNL flights on Saturdays are crewed with either SFO or SEA crews... with the SFO crews deadheading to SAN to start the trip and the SEA crews deadheading home from HNL.

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