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AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:53 pm

 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:55 pm

That is excellent news. I'd expect this service to do quite well.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 4:58 pm

This is a weird one? Does AA partner with SU (Or anyone else over there)? This one just seems a bit off for AA, IMO.
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:02 pm

Maybe this was the Big Annoucement...Why is weird? You have start somehwere.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:03 pm

JFK-NCE will be announced soon. MIA-MXP, too, for next winter.

Usual disclaimer: those plans are subject to change.
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:04 pm

What took them so long, I had expected AA to go Moscow back in 1998.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:09 pm

The economy in Russia was terrible.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:10 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
What took them so long, I had expected AA to go Moscow back in 1998.

AA had planned to add Chicago-Moscow in 1991, but the 1990-92 recession put the plan on hold.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:14 pm

Why not use a 777? Hopefully when the route matures...
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:14 pm

Very nice indeed. As AA moves to serve the key business capital of Europe from Chicago, they should do well to Moscow. In addition, IIRC, there is a sizable Russian community in Chicago, yes?
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:20 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 9):
Very nice indeed. As AA moves to serve the key business capital of Europe from Chicago, they should do well to Moscow. In addition, IIRC, there is a sizable Russian community in Chicago, yes?

Sizeable Polish in the Chicago area that is for sure.
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:24 pm

I was actually expecting to see this service originate out of JFK rather than ORD, but AA does offer much more connections out of ORD and still has a very healthy O&D market to feed off of. In addition to that, JFK-Moscow already has DL and Aeroflot in the market, although those two carriers serve SVO rather than DME. I expect this service to be successful to AA, given that Russia's economy is doing very well and Moscow is an appealing tourist destination.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:50 pm

Arrive in ORD 2 hours beofe departing DME????? How many hours difference between ORD and MOS?
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:54 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 12):
Arrive in ORD 2 hours beofe departing DME????? How many hours difference between ORD and MOS?



I thought the same thing. Such a long sit time too. Could those times be backwards? Leave DME at 240PM and arrive ORD at 450PM?
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 5:57 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 12):
How many hours difference between ORD and MOS?

9 hours.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 6:37 pm

Quoting WA707atMSP (Reply 7):

AA had planned to add Chicago-Moscow in 1991, but the 1990-92 recession put the plan on hold.

They also announced ORD-SVO in 1999, but it never launched.
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:28 pm

Now I'm now waiting for American to announce JFK-NCE and the re-opening of the ORY station (to retaliate against DL)...

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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:42 pm

Excellent news for AA I hope they have an Excellent Performance on this Route
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:45 pm

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 13):
Could those times be backwards?

Yes, the times are backward. AA's press release has it listed as flight 159 departing DME at 2:40pm and arriving ORD at 4:50pm same day.

http://www.aa.com/content/amrcorp/pr...ssReleases/2007_10/16_moscow.jhtml
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:03 pm

Good to hear AA expanding. I have a good feeling this will be a money maker. I am just curious as to how much seniority is needed to bid this run.

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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Tue Oct 16, 2007 11:21 pm

Well, it looks like as is often the case, the rumors were true.

This is a very, very good market for AA to be in. Russia is one of the world's fastest-growing developing economies, and I don't think AA will find it difficult to be successful there, especially since they are using Moscow's premier airport, Domodedovo, and they'll be flying from Chicago, where they'll face no direct competition. It's amazing that for a market as huge as Russia, AA will only be the second U.S. carrier flying there.

Hopefully MAH's reports of impending JFK-NCE, MIA-MXP, and DFW-MAD flight announcements in the coming weeks/months is true also!
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:46 am

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 2):
Does AA partner with SU

No. Aeroflot is to join Skyteam.

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 10):

Sizeable Polish in the Chicago area that is for sure.

There's also a good sized Russian community. But this route isn't opening for low yield VFR traffic. The lack of US carriers serving Moscow means DL probably gets a sizable fare premium over SU. AA wants to tap into that.
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:25 am

Now I have something to use my Aadvantage miles on, and get a chance to see some Russian metal as well. Very nice!
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:19 am

DME is so much nicer that SVO! Congrats AA and hope it works well foe them!
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:10 am

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 21):
No. Aeroflot is to join Skyteam.

SU is already in SkyTeam
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 20):
and DFW-MAD

Definitely hoping this one is true  Big grin

After dropping DFW-ZRH, it would be great to see some more European expansion for DFW.

As far as ORD-DME goes, this will definitely be at the top of my list of flights to take!! I'm also surprised that AA is only the second US carrier to be flying to Russia. I'm definitely glad they choose ORD over JFK for the route, as well as DME over SVO.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:04 am

Great news! I live in Chicago, and there are definetly a lot of Russians living here. The problem is most are not from Moscow, and if they would have to transfer to another Russian city through Moscow it might create complications since some destinations are served from SVO or VKO. Also I assume it would initially be cheaper to transer flights in other European countries since AA is likely to jack up the price on this route.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:35 am

DME is also a logical choice since most Oneworld carriers (BA, IB, RJ, CX) are using it when flying to Moscow... Also, it is a hub for S7 which will likely join Oneworld in the next 3-4 years and provide AA with connections throughout Russia and Central Asia...
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:40 am

Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 8):
Why not use a 777?

Because the demand isn't there and the range isn't needed. The 763ER offers much less cost risk.

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 9):
the key business capital of Europe

Um, AA already flies ORD-LHR  Wink
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:56 am

Excellent News, it's about time for a European expansion on AA.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 25):
After dropping DFW-ZRH

What a shame! The loads are always good on this flight, I don't understand the reasoning behind the cut. I assume its low yield. Well, at least I got to fly to ZRH via DFW before they shut it down...
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:09 am

Quoting 44k (Reply 29):
What a shame! The loads are always good on this flight, I don't understand the reasoning behind the cut. I assume its low yield. Well, at least I got to fly to ZRH via DFW before they shut it down...

I know, it really is too bad they cut this route. I was really hoping to get on it before they shut it down, but no such luck for me.

I think the reason had nothing to do with yields (directly), but because the same old "why" of AA cutting routes.....a lack of widebodies. AA wants to start a new route, so they have to take the plane from an existing route. And, as it turned out, DFW-ZRH was on the chopping block. Hopefully it will be brought back when AA gets some new widebodies. They have a few more 772ER's yet to be delivered, and we all know their 787 order will be any day now  Wink
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:11 am

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 30):
I think the reason had nothing to do with yields (directly), but because the same old "why" of AA cutting routes.....a lack of widebodies

No, this cut had everything to do with yields, which nose-dived after the Swiss codeshare came to an end.
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 31):
No, this cut had everything to do with yields, which nose-dived after the Swiss codeshare came to an end.

Exactly. When they had the codeshare with LX, the flight did amazing. I myself flew on the route twice during its run, and both times it was completely full - including in F andJ (the first trip was on a 777) and in J on the second trip (2-class only 763). I also know several IDF (AA's DFW international FA base) pursers who flew on the flight regularly back in the good years (2002-2005) and told me that they would regularly have the entire premium cabin space booked up by only one or two corporate customers who used to fly from DFW or connect in from IAH and were on their way to the Mid East connecting onto LX flights at ZRH. The flight was also popular with many AA customers in the U.S. who loved being able to connect in such a pleasurable place as ZRH, which didn't suffer from the chaos of Heathrow, CDG, or Frankfurt.

I must say - ZRH airport is just the place to connect if you're heading to eastern/southern Europe, or India/the Mid East. ZRH is such a breeze - easy and fast - and you're through customs/immigration/baggage claim in a matter of minutes. If given the chance - I would definitely connect there again.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:15 am

Quoting Sovietjet (Reply 26):
Great news! I live in Chicago, and there are definetly a lot of Russians living here. The problem is most are not from Moscow, and if they would have to transfer to another Russian city through Moscow it might create complications since some destinations are served from SVO or VKO. Also I assume it would initially be cheaper to transer flights in other European countries since AA is likely to jack up the price on this route.

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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:30 am

ORD-DME is a great announcement. I still believe that AA should consider adding MUC. LH could use some competition on JFK-MUC, which could be followed by DFW-MUC and possibly MIA-MUC. Though it's a Star Alliance hub, I think there's some real value that AA could bring to the MUC market. Probably better long-term potential at MUC than AA remaining in ZRH.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:16 pm

Isn't S7 trying to hook up with an international alliance? Oneworld would make sense as BA already services DME and S7 has a large hub there.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting Dolphinflyer (Reply 34):
I still believe that AA should consider adding MUC. LH could use some competition on JFK-MUC, which could be followed by DFW-MUC and possibly MIA-MUC. Though it's a Star Alliance hub, I think there's some real value that AA could bring to the MUC market.

Back in the early 90s, before LH and UA formed Star, AA used to codeshare with LH out of ORD. Both carriers flew ORD-FRA, while LH flew ORD-DUS and AA flew ORD-MUC.

Part of this stemmed from the building of the new international terminal, so ticketing and customs were on the first level of the parking garage, and passengers were bussed to and from remote aircraft parking. Some international carriers made arrangements with domestic carriers to have departures from Terminals 1 through 3, including LH.

My guess is that AA doesn't believe it can capture enough traffic between cities it serves in the U.S. and MUC to justify flying to MUC from any of its U.S. hubs, particularly with LH/UA flying out of some of the same cities, including JFK and ORD.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:58 pm

Continental has had rights to fly DME since at least '03, but they keep on postponing pending equipment. Either CO (from EWR) or US (from PHL) will be the next US carrier into Moscow.

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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:03 pm

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 37):
Either CO (from EWR) or US (from PHL) will be the next US carrier into Moscow.

Anyone thing there will eventually be UA IAD-Moscow or NW DTW-Moscow??
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:32 pm

DME is the airport that handles 60% of all domestic flights in Russia and Central Asia.

Most Central Asian flights are not even handled by Aeroflot. Aeroflot does not even fly to Kazakhstan, which right now is considered the second most powerful economy in the Former Soviet Union.

This flight will not be for Russian speaking people in the United States as 80% of the Russians living in the United States are either in the NorthEast or the SouthEast United States.

Delta picks up 90% of the rich Russians from florida. and 50% of the Russians from NorthEast.

and for everyone's information Aeroflot provides superior service to Delta and most likely AA on this route.

So AA is in direct competition with Aeroflot's flight from Los Angeles. Everyone should also remember that TransAero is planning on returning to Los Angeles and they are planning on having service to Miami from DME.
 
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RE: AA Announces ORD-DME

Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:26 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 24):
SU is already in SkyTeam

You think I would've noticed that on my SkyTeam screen saver!
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