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Manchester MAN UK News 14

Tue Oct 16, 2007 10:51 pm

Evening,

thought i best start i new thread, its getting abit long in the tooth....

heres a link to the last thread Manchester MAN UK News 13 (by Ncfc99 Sep 8 2007 in Civil Aviation)

cheers guys,

Scott.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:26 am

Has anyone heard anything about AY going down to 1x daily? Loads can be poor on the HEL route, sometimes as low as 30, so wouldn't be surprised.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:45 am

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 1):
Has anyone heard anything about AY going down to 1x daily

No I has not heard anything about it, but you say that it is sometime just 30passengers on their flight it will not surprise me if the downgrade it.
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:52 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 2):
just 30passengers on their flight it will not surprise me if the downgrade it.

Don'r forget they are using a mix of E170s and E190s so it's not that desperatrly poor! HEL figures for Sept show 7268 passengers with I believe 110 services operated = 66 per flight; note this is 17% up on September 2006.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:17 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 3):
= 66 per flight

And lets say that all is served by the E190 so the average load factor would be 66%. That is not so bad at all. And remember that they use E170s too and the load factor in that a/c is 86%.
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:45 am

(Airport bosses are also in talks over services to the Malaysian capital Kuala Lumpur, while they are hopeful of flights to India, Australia and New Zealand in the not-too-distant future. An airport spokesman said today: "The Far East is an area of massive growth and we are talking to a number of airlines about opportunities.

"It's a big focus for us in terms of our route develoment plans." )


The big question is what will be first, these airlines coming to MAN or NW replacing their DC-9's Big grin
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:21 pm

Quoting Col (Reply 5):
these airlines coming to MAN or NW replacing their DC-9's


Think we may just win out on that race! KUL = 2008. BOM/DEL =2008/2009. AKL = 2009, SYD 2009/2010.

______________

Anyway, news from last night = 8 aircraft diverted to LPL and EMA due unexpected fog and 05R being in operation (it being only CAT1 capable!). I'd love to say 9 as te CDG-MAN FX feeder flgiht apparently went to BHX.

[Edited 2007-10-17 06:41:23]
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:39 pm

From this evening's M.E.N.

Airport has 'worst queues'
Dean Kirby
17/10/2007

PASSENGERS at Manchester Airport face the longest queus in the country, says a website that monitors delays.

It says 138 people complained after they queued at Manchester for an average of 35 minutes at check-in desks; 32 minutes at security; and 24 minutes at immigration.

Passengers said the same queues took 20; 26; and 15 minutes at Heathrow, and 39; 35; and 12 minutes at Gatwick.

Bolton-based holiday firm Travel Counsellors set up the site so travellers could describe their experiences. One Manchester passenger told the website, ukairportdelays.co.uk , there was 'no need' for lengthy queues. Another said they had faced 'massive congestion'.

The website said 20 people complained in August after they queued an average of 46 minutes at check-in desks and 12 minutes at security.

Security gates

Coventry is the best airport, according to the website, with queues of just two minutes at its security gates. David Speakman, of Travel Counsellors, said: "Airports have an obligation to put travellers through as quickly and efficiently as possible. It's not rocket science. You calculate how many people will be going through and put enough staff in place."

Manchester Airport says it is working to reduce queues. A spokeswoman said 95 per cent of passengers queue for less than eight minutes.

She added: "This website represents the views of a handful of people. It's certainly not representative of the 22 million people who come through Manchester Airport every year."

The airport has committed more than £20m to building new security search areas as part of a refit of its terminals.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:48 pm

If it's really relevant, EXT had me and my family waiting around 50 minutes back in August for BE371; now if they hadn't expedited the MAN check-in, it would have been a lot longer. From touchdown on 23R to back home (5 miles) took precisely 30 minutes!
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:38 pm

Just been having a look on the VS website to see if there are any changes - nothing much apart from UVF is 2 weekly in February
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:49 pm

Are VS maintaining a daily MCO through the winter or a 10x weekly?
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:11 am

MCO is 8 weekly (VS75 = Mon-Sat, VS73 = Fri, Sat). Goes to 9 weekly from summer timetable and then 10 weekly in July.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:54 am

Any news yet on whether NW has announced a MAN-DTW route? They were supposed to be announcing their latest trans-Atlantic routes a few weeks back but I've heard nothing.

Nice to see (and photograph) an Atlas 74F last night - came in from JNB using its own callsign ("Giant") but departed for PHL as an LH Cargo flight. What the........? Never mind, it's yet another cargo charter no doubt. Freight business is really picking up at MAN!

Karl
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:40 pm

Presumably MAN is using incentives to attract cargo carriers....wonder what'll happen when the incentive period comes to an end?!
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:05 pm

What the update on NW coming to MAN did they state it in their announcement?

scott
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:59 pm

NW have only stated that they are investigating serveral services worldwide. NO doubt, routes will be revealed piecemeal so we may have to continue to wait our turn.

Anyway, no more Air Canada with Air Transat, having heard of Col's delight in sampling 757s across the pond, replacing them with a daily service. But the big murmur out of Hong Kong (for us) is Feb 2008 non-stop CX service begins. Who wants to go to the bookies?
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:12 pm

Quoting David_itl (Reply 15):
Anyway, no more Air Canada with Air Transat, having heard of Col's delight in sampling 757s across the pond, replacing them with a daily service. But the big murmur out of Hong Kong (for us) is Feb 2008 non-stop CX service begins. Who wants to go to the bookies?

Are you sure this is correct ? If you look at the Canadian Affair website it shows that TSC will not serve MAN at all next year
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:32 pm

Quoting David_itl (Reply 15):
But the big murmur out of Hong Kong (for us) is Feb 2008 non-stop CX service begins.

Will it be served by 747s or 777s ????
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:37 pm

A CX service from HKG to MAN with 777 is apparently loaded into the system, to start in February, but I haven't checked myself.

Not sure of frequency either, but T1 is apparently taking the bird.


David, do you mean AC have officially said they won't be back?
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:39 pm

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 18):
CX service from HKG to MAN with 777 is apparently loaded into the system

Nice for you guys to see CX 777s.
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:46 pm

Quoting Gooner (Reply 16):
If you look at the Canadian Affair website it shows that TSC will not serve MAN at all next year

Think those flights are the "charter" bit of TS Looking at Amadeus for the scheduled services, it shows for MAN-YYZ:
TS805 on Sun, TS843 on Mon, TS833 on Tues, TS839 on Wed, TS821 on Thurs, TS819 on Fri, TS803 on Sat,

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 18):
David, do you mean AC have officially said they won't be back?

Can't find anything official - MAN-YYZ on Amadeus give BD to LHR than AC from LHR.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 12:27 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 20):
Think those flights are the "charter" bit of TS Looking at Amadeus for the scheduled services, it shows for MAN-YYZ:
TS805 on Sun, TS843 on Mon, TS833 on Tues, TS839 on Wed, TS821 on Thurs, TS819 on Fri, TS803 on Sat,

I think you will find that the TS flight numbers begining with 8 are code sharing flights with TCX
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:02 am

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 18):
A CX service from HKG to MAN with 777 is apparently loaded into the system, to start in February, but I haven't checked myself.

Will this be a 772 or 77W?
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:15 pm

Are LG still planning to close their MAN LUX service next weekend?
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:30 pm

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 10):
Are VS maintaining a daily MCO through the winter or a 10x weekly?

AFAIK it will be daily as the VS075 (with VS076 return) this winter using LGW-based 747-400s. Lessons learned from last year when they attempted to runs the VS073 and ended up cancelling half of the Thursday flights due to poor loadings.

BGI will remain every Sunday (as VS077) and UVF will return on Thursdays from next month (as VS079), again all flights using LGW-based 747-400s.

Hope this helps.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:53 pm

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 18):
A CX service from HKG to MAN with 777 is apparently loaded into the system, to start in February, but I haven't checked myself

Is it ready to book yet, as neither CX or MAN have any booking details. Will be fantastic if it comes off

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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:08 pm

Not sure, I am not in work til tomorrow so will check then, been on leave for 10 days so has just come second hand.

I have a feeling this might be just an increase in cargo, but let's see and be positive!
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:13 pm

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 13):
Presumably MAN is using incentives to attract cargo carriers....wonder what'll happen when the incentive period comes to an end?!

My apologies if I've missed something here, but what kind of incentives are we talking about?? Do you know this for certain?

Cheers

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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:22 pm

As in the incentives that are offered for new passenger services on new destinations.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:13 pm

Quoting David_itl (Reply 15):
Anyway, no more Air Canada with Air Transat, having heard of Col's delight in sampling 757s across the pond, replacing them with a daily service.

Thanks for picking on me!!! Anyway you would be proud of me today, added NW 757 TATL to AA and CO, did the BDL-AMS-MAN. Hope if NW do start MAN, that pax pick up quick and it is upgraded to 787/332. Going back via DTW on a 333, so will do a comparison.

Who are RH. Our F-100 arrived on time, and it was a shock I guess that we required steps, or a tea break!! Think it was RH written on the steps when they finally go to us.

I also saw an SQ ad in arrivals with the SQ girl saying that they were MAN's latest daily. Chuckled to myself, dropping from 7 to 5 and then back up to 7 is nothing to be proud of!
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 9:56 pm

Wait til they go 10 weekly!!
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:15 pm

Quoting Col (Reply 29):
Thanks for picking on me!!!

You know you're the resident expert on these things!

Quoting Col (Reply 29):
Who are RH.

Ringway Handling (presumably a subsidiary of Manchester Airport Group plc)

____

Anyway, noticed VLM seem to be adding a Saturday morning service to ANR and have retimed the Sunday ANR.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:24 pm

Quoting David_itl (Reply 31):
Anyway, noticed VLM seem to be adding a Saturday morning service to ANR and have retimed the Sunday ANR.

What are the new timings?
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:37 pm

It would be good if Cathay Pacific do fly to MAN, as it would provide an alternative to SQ.

However, I will believe it when it happens as the romour seems to do the rounds here.
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:39 pm

It would be good if Cathay Pacific do fly to MAN, as it would provide an alternative to SQ.

However, I will believe it when it happens as the romour seems to do the rounds here.
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:27 am

New upper level mezzanine food court at T1 opened today. Very swish, though disappointingly the toilers were swimming in **** and none of the hand driers worked! Nice one MAPLC!
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:02 pm

Quoting David_itl (Reply 31):
You know you're the resident expert on these things!

Not quite, waiting for the DL 757 and possibly double daily US before I can really pick up my glove and ball and stay home.

Quoting David_itl (Reply 31):
Ringway Handling (presumably a subsidiary of Manchester Airport Group plc)

Damn, thought they were special steps for me (Royal highness).
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Mon Oct 22, 2007 9:36 pm

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 32):
Quoting David_itl (Reply 31):
Anyway, noticed VLM seem to be adding a Saturday morning service to ANR and have retimed the Sunday ANR.

What are the new timings?

Sat: VG193 arr 0930 VG194 dept 1000. Sun: VG197 arr 1855 VG196 dept 1925
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Tue Oct 23, 2007 10:30 am

Winter timetable now online. It makes for interesting reading, although it's not particularly accurate. It shows MAN-KEF as 3 weekly, which I don't believe it is, and MAN-BCN daily throughout February - again, not Also noted that TOM are using 757s to TLV, and LG have been bumped off by VG.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:18 pm

Anybody know whats happening today? Lots of flights at T1 and T2 going like 6-12hrs late. Is it just tech aircraft or an incident?
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:34 pm

Is there a problem with the way MAN updates it's website with live flight arrivals information? This evening I met family members off the Monarch flight from Rhodes (scheduled in at 18:55, I noticed they had a second flight due in at 20:15). From around 16:00 MAN time I regularly checked MAN's own website to check the expected arrival time of the flight. It was always scheduled 18:55, expected 18:55. I refreshed the web page at ~18:00 and got no change. I refreshed it at ~18:05 and it had changed to expected 18:25! Did this flight really pick up half an hour in the space of 5 minutes or does someone supervising the information stream need a kick up the arse!
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:37 pm

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 1):
Has anyone heard anything about AY going down to 1x daily

sorry to go back to this. This is how badly it's doing: they are to introduce a nightstopping service in May! AY935 arrives 2025, AY936 departs 0730. Operates inbound daily except Saturday.

Additionally, CSA is adding an extra service per week whilst retiming their flights from 30th March

OK642 arrives 0955 OK643 departs 1040
OK644 arrives 1555 OK645 departs 1640

[Edited 2007-10-24 14:51:30]
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:00 am

Quoting David_itl (Reply 41):

sorry to go back to this. This is how badly it's doing: they are to introduce a nightstopping service in May! AY935 arrives 2025, AY936 departs 0730. Operates inbound daily except Saturday.

I thought from your post that you were confirming a reduction to just the one daily nightstopping service from May! But then I discover that it is an additional daily departure (bringing the total up to 3 daily)  thumbsup 
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:31 am

The new times hopefully will prove to be attractive.

The original departure from Manchester was too late for the business market, and the return at 1600 too early!
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:11 pm

Easyjet Is To Buy GB Airways (by BananaBoY Oct 24 2007 in Civil Aviation)

So what does everybody think of this in relation to MAN?

It would be very interesting to see whether U2 decide to use this to start-up more services at MAN, or whether it will keep the MAN side of GT as it is, or shut down the MAN base completely?

Personally I welcome the prospect of U2 operating out of MAN, because I believe it will give the likes of Jet2 a serious run for their money on some routes (should U2 decide to compete on more Jet2 routes) and of course, it's a new carrier coming to MAN (with the obvious expense of one carrier).
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:40 pm

Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 44):
So what does everybody think of this in relation to MAN?

It would be very interesting to see whether U2 decide to use this to start-up more services at MAN, or whether it will keep the MAN side of GT as it is, or shut down the MAN base completely?

Personally I welcome the prospect of U2 operating out of MAN, because I believe it will give the likes of Jet2 a serious run for their money on some routes (should U2 decide to compete on more Jet2 routes) and of course, it's a new carrier coming to MAN (with the obvious expense of one carrier).

There are a few key destinations that GB operate from MAN. One of them is PFO which proved to be extremely popular.
FCA stopped their shceduled service and together with CY/ECA , BA was the only other airline with scheduled services all year round. (Thomson do also have a service but I am not sure if it is considered scheduled or charter)

I wonder how Easyjet will play their game. I guess we will have to wait and see.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:52 pm

The Evening News quotes a spokesman saying they've "not decided what to do about Manchester". Perhaps MAN could have a flea in their ear about them wanting MAN to begin with and now they've got a few decentish slots (need to check them out!), a few routes to start off with, a very large A319 order that needs to have airports to place them in, and a sufficiently large enough catchement area for them to operate out of both LPL and MAN. Whether they'd want to replicate LPL routes out of MAN or go for the "untried" (for them) routes they operate out of other airports remains to be seen. Oh, not forgetting the plan to turn T3 into a loco terminal which should minimise taxi time to/from the runways and perhaps aid quicker turnrounds (though the latter is in the hands of the slot regulators and the carbon units known as cleaners/fuellers)
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:08 pm

Do EZY currently serv TFS/MLA/PFO? Surely these routes would not be compatible with a A319? Though presumably the old A320/1s of GT will remain.

This isn't necessarily good news for MAN at all. EZY are well established at LPL and are contractually committed to the airport if I remember correctly. I can't necessarily see them coming to MAN as a resilt of the GT takeover.



On another note, BE are soon to announce their summer routes and schedules. A source at their handling agent at MAN reckons there will be new destinations in southern Europe and more 195s on busy rouites too.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:23 pm

Quoting GayrugbyMAN (Reply 47):
reckons there will be new destinations in southern Europe

Spain, Balearics and Italy come to mind, but we'll see.
 
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RE: Manchester MAN UK News 14

Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:15 pm

Quoting David_itl (Reply 46):
The Evening News quotes a spokesman saying they've "not decided what to do about Manchester". Perhaps MAN could have a flea in their ear about them wanting MAN to begin with and now they've got a few decentish slots (need to check them out!), a few routes to start off with, a very large A319 order that needs to have airports to place them in, and a sufficiently large enough catchement area for them to operate out of both LPL and MAN. Whether they'd want to replicate LPL routes out of MAN or go for the "untried" (for them) routes they operate out of other airports remains to be seen. Oh, not forgetting the plan to turn T3 into a loco terminal which should minimise taxi time to/from the runways and perhaps aid quicker turnrounds (though the latter is in the hands of the slot regulators and the carbon units known as cleaners/fuellers)

I can feel an easyJet wish list coming on.....Amsterdam, Athens, Berlin, Bournemouth, Bucharest, Catania, Cagliari, Gdansk, Geneva, Madrid, Marseilles......I've only got up to M on the easyjet destinations list, but there's no doubt that a high profile LCC like EZY could do wonders for short-haul, without touching Monarch, bmibaby, flybe and legacy carriers.

It's incredible how EZY and FR seem to know how to put bums on seats, and also control costs to make it all work, and yet the based LCCs we already have at MAN seem to have completely stalled - I think a part of this is due to their lack of visibility in comparison with EZY and FR.

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