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BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:35 am

http://www.aerocontact.com/news/ac_news_art.php?ID=05234

Sorry i only found it in French.

The battle has started...
Confirmed by the manager of BA for France, BA is launching CDG-LHR Summer 08.
Just one hour after the announcement of LHR-LAX by AF.

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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:39 am

Quoting CDG" class=quote target=_blank>CDG (Thread starter):
Confirmed by the manager of BA for France, BA is launching CDG-LHR Summer 08.

You probably meant to say CDG-JFK here, but anyway, it is rather interesting development!
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:41 am

Quoting CDG" class=quote target=_blank>CDG (Thread starter):
CDG-LHR

Funny mistake isn'it ??

It is of course CDG-JFK

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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:41 am

Quoting CDG (Thread starter):
Just one hour after the announcement of LHR-LAX by AF.

Will AF fly with its own metal form LHR to LAX????
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:46 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 3):
Will AF fly with its own metal form LHR to LAX????

YES... Probably 77W But the flight is not loaded yet

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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:48 am

Quoting CDG" class=quote target=_blank>CDG (Reply 4):
YES... Probably 77W But the flight is not loaded yet

Okey, I see.

Then I understand why BA announced their CDG-JFK service.

The LHR-LAX market is really good for BA. Wonder if AF can take away some pax from BA.
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:49 am

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 1):
You probably meant to say CDG-JFK here, but anyway, it is rather interesting development!

But will BA be able to configure its 757s with the new Club World and Fisrt seats??

I rememer they could not do that with BMEDs A321s
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:51 am

Oh christ, the gloves are off, watch the blood get splatterd over the next few years!!

May the best man win!!
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:52 am

I would think if it is to be a seperate operation as it looks like it will be they won't be using the same club seats.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:04 am

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 7):
May the best man win!!

Hi UAL777UK !!

Well said... Very healthy competition...
So much choice will be offered to customers...
The " Best Man " is us...
I have a lot of French friends who adore flying with BA... Also i noticed a lot of British Citizens on the late departure bank of AF to GIG, GRU, EZE, SCL and even more surprising on SIN too !!

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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:11 pm

now the war has started  taekwondo 
at the same time ridiculous and interesting to see 1 AF flight taking off from LHR and 1 BA flight from CDG to Americas.
it's as if they want to compete "fairly" and piss one another off at the same time....which is quite close I think
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:28 pm

Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 10):
at the same time ridiculous and interesting to see 1 AF flight taking off from LHR and 1 BA flight from CDG to Americas.

Think it will be more flight from LHR by AF than BA flights from CDG.
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:34 pm

Very very interesting... I wonder how all this new competition is going to pan out...!
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:34 pm

As there is a significant price-premium for high-yield passengers for transatlantic flights from LHR over flights from CDG, and given the greater reliance of BA on these passengers, I expect BA is at greater risk than carriers from Continental Europe.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:42 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):

The LHR-LAX market is really good for BA. Wonder if AF can take away some pax from BA.

Does that mean we can expect to see a 773 running CDG-LHR? Or will some 773s be based in LHR for the LAX flight?

Same question goes for the BA CDG-JFK flight.

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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 12:45 pm

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 14):
Does that mean we can expect to see a 773 running CDG-LHR? Or will some 773s be based in LHR for the LAX flight?

Think that they will base the 773 in LHR. Has to bee so, right?? Or the will maybe switch a/c in LAX between the flights from/to CDG and LHR in LAX.

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 14):
Same question goes for the BA CDG-JFK flight.

BA will base its 757 in JFK. Right??
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:02 pm

Again a 757! the 757 is going to be the specialist of Paris-New York lol !
look at this:

L'avion: 757
DL: 757 (to ORY)
CO: 757
BA: 757

that's funny!
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:21 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 16):

DL: 757 (to ORY)

DL's daily JFK-CDG (DL118/119) is being switched over to a 752 starting May 1, 2008 as well.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:29 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 16):
Again a 757! the 757 is going to be the specialist of Paris-New York lol !
look at this:

L'avion: 757
DL: 757 (to ORY)
CO: 757
BA: 757

that's funny!

DL= 1*757, 1* 767
AA= 1*767, 1*777
CO= 2*757, 1*777
l'Avion= 2*757
AF= 1*747, 4*777, 1*340, 1*330
AI= 1*747
BA= 1*757

18 daily flights between Paris and NYC : 6*757, 6*777, 2*767, 2*747, 1*A330 and 1*A340...
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:31 pm

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 18):
18 daily flights between Paris and NYC

This all flights will not survive. To many.
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:36 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):
This all flights will not survive. To many.

there isn't a very big change, only 2 more 757 !
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:54 pm

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 18):
DL= 1*757, 1* 767

I believe the DL JFK flight is also to be operated by B752, so that would be 2 * B757 then.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:00 pm

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 14):
Does that mean we can expect to see a 773 running CDG-LHR?

AF is putting the 77W on ORY-NCE-ORY during the summer already, why not a CDG-LHR-LAX-LHR-CDG to compensate the given away slots used previously by an A320

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 20):
only 2 more 757 !

the 747 used by AF will be replaced soon by 77W and the AI 747 isn't a "real" CDG-JFK since it's only a stopover: therefore maybe there's a bit of overcapacity but not so much
otherwise AF would have replaced some 777 with A332 already
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:01 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 21):
believe the DL JFK flight is also to be operated by B752, so that would be 2 * B757 then

Yes it is, sorry !

It seems that the daily JFK-FRA flights will be a 757 too.

[Edited 2007-10-17 07:04:45]
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:09 pm

Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 22):
AI 747 isn't a "real" CDG-JFK since it's only a stopover

AI CDG-EWR-CDG flight isn't "only" a stopover since there are passengers flying from Paris to NYC or from NYC to Paris and not to India...
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting Varig md-11 (Reply 22):
AF is putting the 77W on ORY-NCE-ORY during the summer already, why not a CDG-LHR-LAX-LHR-CDG to compensate the given away slots used previously by an A320

Could be, but I rather believe that the flight will be fed through LAX in a CDG LAX LHR LAX CDG pattern. Also, look for the LAX PPT schedules to be retimed to offer connectivity with both the CDG and LHR flights.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:32 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6):
But will BA be able to configure its 757s with the new Club World and Fisrt seats??

I rememer they could not do that with BMEDs A321s

I would imagine that BA would have to install the new business class seats or at least something of a similar standard to compete. The old cradle seats just wouldn't cut it in a competative marketplace.

I believe all that would need doing is strengthening the floor. Does anyone know if that is what UA did to their premium service 757s, as if I am not mistaken they have the angled lie-flats seats installed for that service.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:34 pm

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 6):
But will BA be able to configure its 757s with the new Club World and Fisrt seats??

Has BA actually confirmed that this is the configuration of the 757s? I heard it was going to be Club World with either WT or WTP?

Quoting ANITIX87 (Reply 14):
Does that mean we can expect to see a 773 running CDG-LHR? Or will some 773s be based in LHR for the LAX flight?

It would have to base an aircraft at LHR for this route surely? Once it has flown from LHR to LAX and back, it would have to do it again a couple of hours later. No time for it to do a run to Paris and back surely?
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 15):
Think that they will base the 773 in LHR. Has to bee so, right??

Not really. If they can get the slots at LHR it could be CDG-LAX-LHR-LAX-CDG. If they don't want to spend the money on additional slots or can't get the slots, than it will likely be CDG-LHR-LAX-LHR-CDG.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 2:57 pm

If BA starts JFK CDG with a 757 and AF starts LHR-LAX with a 777 then it looks like AF is starting off with a lot more passion. The AF 777 has 3 classes. I do not think that a BA 757 will be similar in service respects.

Either way the more seats added to Trans Atlantic the happier I am.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:01 pm

Quoting LY777 (Reply 16):
L'avion: 757

Who is this?  Smile
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:05 pm

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 27):
It would have to base an aircraft at LHR for this route surely? Once it has flown from LHR to LAX and back, it would have to do it again a couple of hours later.



The routing will need to be more complicated than this, or they will suffer from very poor utilisation. LHR - LAX & return isn't quite possible in 24 hours, unless you can manage to turn a widebody round in an hour. BA normally alternate planes between shorter and longer long haul routes, thus getting an average of 1 return long haul trip per day.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:10 pm

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 24):
there are passengers flying from Paris to NYC or from NYC to Paris and not to India...

I know
I meant when, say, 100 pax board at CDG to New York on AI, the rest of the seats are already occupied by travellers from India to America...that's what I meant when I said it's just a stopover
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:15 pm

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 31):
Quoting 8herveg (Reply 27):
It would have to base an aircraft at LHR for this route surely? Once it has flown from LHR to LAX and back, it would have to do it again a couple of hours later.

The routing will need to be more complicated than this, or they will suffer from very poor utilisation. LHR - LAX & return isn't quite possible in 24 hours, unless you can manage to turn a widebody round in an hour.

They'll probably change one CDG-LAX-CDG to CDG-LAX-LHR-LAX-CDG. The plane would return to CDG 50+ hours after take off instead of current 24 hours. That is of course, if they don't want to put a 777 with long-haul config on such a short hop like CDG-LHR
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:18 pm

I was expecting BA to try first ORY-JFK, would have face less competition and ORY is better located for most of Paris (i.e more convenient to target O&D traffic).
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:33 pm

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 34):
I was expecting BA to try first ORY-JFK

Correct.. But ORY would be a new station for BA, and given it will be a premium-only flight that would require Business Class counters for those travelling Club World and probably Economy counters if the plane does finally have WT Plus cabin. Also they would need any kind of lounge at ORY.

Even if ORY is more convenient for Paris traffic, it would be weird to have CDG for LHR and ORY for JFK.

At CDG they would only have to cope with some 100 more passengers. They already use a "Third party lounge" as they call it at CDG and may want to build one of their own with that new "galleries" concept.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:37 pm

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 34):
I was expecting BA to try first ORY-JFK, would have face less competition and ORY is better located for most of Paris

Be that as it may, I dont think BA serve ORY at all, from any London airport, at least according to SABRE. It likely makes more sense to serve an 'online' destinaion at both ends, as ground staff, lounges, etc are already currently in place.

Also, BA will be going for the US based business traveller and use its FFP programme to its advantage here. While Flying Blue may have a strong presence in the UK regions (thanks to the former AirUK/KLMuk) I dont know about in LON itself. Given the lack of feed at LHR, and weak connecting possibilities at LAX, I dont think AF are in quite as strong a position as BA are, and will have a lot more seats to fill than BA will on its 757s.

Still, there should be many a fine bargain to be had this summer on TA routes!

Brian.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:39 pm

Quoting UPPERDECKFAN (Reply 34):
I was expecting BA to try first ORY-JFK

According to my source in BA it is ORY. Perhaps the man announced PAR-JFK and it was assumed CDG. All the planning so far is ORY BRU and AMS to JFK.
Start is May 08 and initially only 2 B757 PEJ and PEK. (How do they have three flights with 2 aircraft? Time will tell)
Crews will be based in Europe, and Minor maint probably at BRU.
There will be three classes, Club WT+ and WT.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:46 pm

This honestly makes me so happy. Finally the open skies are allowing the European international market to be much more contested over. Now the European airlines will be competing against each other more.

I have a feeling that open skies is the beginning of the end of European carrier's superior service over US carriers. The short haul market yield has already been killed by LCCs in Europe. Now they will have to compete against each other over the most lucrative routes for long haul flights. Hopefully prices will go down for consumers. And with those prices declining the 1 Billion dollar profits for BA will be gone. The European carriers might be forced to start reducing service levels so that they can remain more competitive.

Before you think I'm preposterous, think about what happened in the US aviation market during deregulation to service quality. It fell dramatically. US airlines use to be the best in the world. They had the newest and best planes. Anyone remember how grand Pan Am once was? Well deregulation ended that. There currently is competition among European airlines, but it is not head to head competition. Each wants to have the best service to attract the highly prized elite travellers. But airlines can afford to do that because they do not compete directly against each other on price. Elite travelers won't fly LHR-CDG-LAX when 5 airlines operate the route nonstop, but now they can get AF service without a pointless connection.

The economist inside of me is excited, although it might be time to sell that AF/KLM stock. BA is competing with AF with a 757, which is cheap. The plane is worth very little, and the costs to run the flight won't be that high when compared to a brand new plane that is twice the size. AF will bleed a lot of cash getting that flight up and running since load factors will probably be dreadful to start. BA is slowly getting its feet wet with 757s. If they like the market, then they can always go bigger. BA has more planes including 777s on order, which would be perfect for that route.
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:46 pm

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 36):
At CDG they would only have to cope with some 100 more passengers. They already use a "Third party lounge" as they call it at CDG and may want to build one of their own with that new "galleries" concept

If you are referring to the new Gallery which is located at the S3 satellite of Terminal 2E and 2F, then BA won't have any chance to have its own lounge there since it is a pure Skyteam terminal.
However, i wish BA can work with ADP to do a serious face-lift of Terminal 2B and add a BA lounge once AF will leave for good the terminal by the end of this year.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 3:55 pm

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 39):
Terminal 2B and add a BA lounge once AF will leave for good the terminal by the end of this year.

It's going to be complicated & funny....
AF is moving out of T2A in one week, but AF will leave T2B ( where BA is ) only summer 08, and the " cherry on the cake ", EZY moves into T2B in February 08....
It's gonna be the " best to worst " type of terminal...

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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:02 pm

Quoting Mindscape (Reply 39):
If you are referring to the new Gallery which is located at the S3 satellite of Terminal 2E and 2F

No, I was refering to the new brand name "Galleries" that will replace the "Terraces Lounges" concept.

More info at http://www.terminal5.ba.com/en/lounges/

Edit: Taking a closer look into that T5 mini-site, i've come across this info about T3:

You’ll use Terminal 3 if you’re flying British Airways from or to:
Bangkok Sydney Singapore Madrid Barcelona Helsinki Lisbon Nice Algiers
Routes operated by British Airways Franchise Partner GB Airways will also operate out of the British Airways oneworld hub at Terminal 3 as well as codeshare flights with Iberia, Qantas and Finnair.

So It seems BA have change their plans to serve Italy also ith 757 from T3. Algiers is a new destination for BA from LHR and I guess it won't be more frequent than daily, so that means more 757 free for TATL ops.

[Edited 2007-10-17 09:27:53]
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:06 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 38):
I have a feeling that open skies is the beginning of the end of European carrier's superior service over US carriers. The short haul market yield has already been killed by LCCs in Europe. Now they will have to compete against each other over the most lucrative routes for long haul flights. Hopefully prices will go down for consumers. And with those prices declining the 1 Billion dollar profits for BA will be gone. The European carriers might be forced to start reducing service levels so that they can remain more competitive.

I keep hearing this idea that fares ex LHR are going to "collapse". BUt they wont. The only reason any airline would want to start service to LHR is because the yields are higher, because of the cache of LHR and the connection opportunities.

You surely wouldnt spend money setting up at LHR (expensive even if somehow you are "given" slots), investing in lounges etc and then cut fares significantly.

Why anyone would want to subject their passengers to the horrors of LHR is beyond me but thats another matter.

I would hope that longhaul LCC ops wil strat for the cost consious passenegr leaving a (soemwhat) reduced market for the legacy carriers and on that basis competition will indeed be on SERVICE. SO dont expect anyone to cut back service in response.

Also free market forxes will come into play, consolidation will happen, reducing choice and putting fres back where they were. After all it appears that 4 options (AF, KL, DL, NW) are effectively for all purposes a single operator now who will not compete head to head on fares......

I assume it will be hard for regulators to block ATi for BA/AA now, so they too can start coordinating and scheduling.

The politicians believe open skies will boost traffic and profits all round. If this is not the case (and particularly if AF starts to hurt for some reason) expect the EC to try to scrap it!!
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 4:28 pm

Quoting Mutu (Reply 42):
Also free market forxes will come into play, consolidation will happen, reducing choice and putting fres back where they were.

That's not true when it is response to loosening of government restrictions. Prices almost always come down as the market reaches a more efficient point. Prices might creep up higher with mergers and acquisitions, but traditionally prices never go to the point where they were when competition was restricted. Easing government restrictions on competition always reduces prices according to economic theory.

Quoting Mutu (Reply 42):
The politicians believe open skies will boost traffic and profits all round. If this is not the case (and particularly if AF starts to hurt for some reason) expect the EC to try to scrap it!!

Half of that statement is wrong. Traffic will increase. That's a given.

However profits will not go up. They will go down. The additional profit margin from restricting comptition causes excess producer surplus. Consumer surplus will go up though, as they will not be paying as much money and will increase demand. The overall consumer + producer surplus will go up though. That's usually the case when things like tariffs or restrictions on competition are relaxed.
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:57 pm

Quoting Aisak (Reply 41):
so that means more 757 free for TATL ops

What I heard is that two BA B757 will go initially to TATL, increasing to six by end of 2008. These aircraft will be replaced by newly bought/leased B757. The rate of increase will depend on when BA can find B757s.
 
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:06 pm

I certainly would not fly BA on this route for the following reasons:

1. A B757 narrow body.
2. In general BA legroom is 31" compared to 32" on AF.
3. Stingy frequent flyer program. Do not give full mileage on discounted tickets. Only on the most expensive fares.
 
Ramik
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:16 pm

so does this mean AF will start LHR-JFK or LHR-LAX ?? man this gonna be a jungle in the skies of Europe and the Atlantic !!!
 
EXAAUADL
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:20 pm

Why do these two airlines get into a pissing match???? This is so stupid....I am tro belive the next best option for BA to spend an entire planes is France-USA??? If that is so, BA is in big trouble
 
upperdeckfan
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:52 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 38):
I have a feeling that open skies is the beginning of the end of European carrier's superior service over US carriers



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 38):
The European carriers might be forced to start reducing service levels so that they can remain more competitive.

What do you mean by "service"? IMO Open Skies will benefit people flying in the rear (Y class) and currently I'd say coach/economy service is more or less similar between American and European carriers (free meals and drinks, pillow and a blanket, allocated seats, etc). When people complain about American carriers service being poorer than europeans is in terms of the way they are treated by airline staff in the ground and on the air, there are exceptions but on average when you fly a european carrier across the pond you feel they care more about you (the customer) than do the americans.

On the other hand, in the forward cabins (F/J) I don't think Open Skies will change much, in fact, european and american carriers have been/are rising the standards lately (BA new CW, LH new F terminal at FRA, UA going full flat, etc).
748,744,742,741,772,773,762,763,
764, 789, 732,733,735,737,738,739,
752, 722, 717,74M,DC10,DC9,M82,
M83, M87, M88,310,319,320,321,332,
333, 343, 346,359,388,L1011,CR2,
CR7, CR9,CRK, E175,E190,ATR42,
DSH8, CS1,CS3
 
Carls
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RE: BA Opens CDG-JFK S08

Wed Oct 17, 2007 6:57 pm

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 38):
US airlines use to be the best in the world.

Since when. Pan Am was big, but wasn't as good as any airline in Europe or South American, or Asian. What made an Airline good is not only new Aircraft, that is an important part, there are many other important things that must be revised.
Punctuality
Customer Care.
Baggage handle.
Seats.
And the list keep going on and on.
No offence here but please don't tell us that US Airlines use to be the best in the world, that denoted that you did not flight outside of USA.

[Edited 2007-10-17 12:13:10]

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