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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:37 am

Here's a interesting one. Back in '75 DL flew the 1011 DTW - DAY - ATL - TPA - MCO

DTW --> DAY = WOW.
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:22 am

As a child in the late 80s, I used to look forward to February school vacation when I would take an L-1011 from BOS to PBI...I always went out of my way to make sure that I was on one of the L10s serving the route, which at the time varied between 727/757/767/L10 -- its funny how things change as today, even seeing a 767 on such a route would seem to be an excess.

These planes, which were certainly showing their age even in the late 80s with the yellow and orange seat covers, were a true joy to fly on...the unique sound of the engines humming and the very smooth flying...

I to this day miss the L1011s a lot...
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 1:28 am

Early 80's to late 70's DTW to TPA non-stop. Also, DTW to LGW and ATL to HNL all L-1011's
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:18 am

Quoting ELTENELEVEN (Reply 40):
Didn't Northeast have L-1011's on order and then were delivered to DL when DL aquired NE in August 1972?

"Catch a Yellowbird"

My dad and I were in the Air and Space Museum at Dulles last friday and they had a model of an L1011 in Northeast colors. My dad said when he was out at Lockheed for some L1011 thing, he did meet some NE folks and that NE did have some on order or planned to order.

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Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 45):
Although not specifically mentioned in the thread title, let's not forget that DL operated a few leased DC10's while awaiting their L10 deliveries

Yes they did, Dad flew those until the L10's were delivered and was even based in Miami during that time.

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 29):
I believe MEM got an L10 for a while in the 80's, especially when it was a "focus city" although I doubt that phrase existed at the time.

It was nice to fly the L10's back and forth between ATL and MEM. I did it many times, but not sure if 70's or 80's.
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:43 am

In June 1997, DL flew the following routes from SLC with the L1011's

SLC-ATL
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:55 am

Before Delta flew MCO-LAX nonstop, Delta flew flight 91 MCO-MSY-LAX with an L1011. Check out the L1011 retirement site at http://www.L1011.homestead.com which has a lot of Delta L1011 history including photos from the last flights.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting ELTENELEVEN (Reply 40):
I would lift up the arm rests on the 5 across center seats and make my own 180 degree flat bed in Y

i also did this but not all 5 seats(did it on 727s, 737,757s,767s MD-88s too on the 3 seats parts)

Quoting ELTENELEVEN (Reply 47):
and what about those Western Airlines DC-10 "widebody spaceships" when DL aquired WA in 1987, did any of those fly in DL livery or were they sold

yes DL did fly them for a short time after the merger and a few got the widget on them(the full widget)
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:59 am

Reading this thread is almost depressing. It's hard to imagine an L-1011 or MD-11 on a route such as ATL-MCO these days. And now with the flood of RJ's on many routes, it's even worse.

Quoting ELTENELEVEN (Reply 40):
Didn't Northeast have L-1011's on order and then were delivered to DL when DL aquired NE in August 1972?

Yes, but the order was cancelled a couple years before the DL merger. The original plan was to merge with NW, a DC-10 operator, hence the cancellation.

Quoting Timz (Reply 32):
HKG-LAX is longer.

Did/does DL operate other routes out of HKG other than LAX?

Quoting Bablackpilot (Reply 14):
will say this, I will still take the old 3-holers over what's flying today anytime....L-1011, MD-11, B727....

 checkmark  Amen. IMO, DL's 90's fleet was one of the best from an enthusiasts point of view. I loved the three different tri-jets from three different manufacturers, and eras.
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:00 am

Quoting DC8L1011Fan (Reply 53):
My dad and I were in the Air and Space Museum at Dulles last friday and they had a model of an L1011 in Northeast colors. My dad said when he was out at Lockheed for some L1011 thing, he did meet some NE folks and that NE did have some on order or planned to order.

cooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool! Looks good in NE livery.
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting ELTENELEVEN (Reply 58):
Looks good in NE livery.



Quoting DC8L1011Fan (Reply 53):
NE did have some on order or planned to order.



Quoting ELTENELEVEN (Reply 40):
Didn't Northeast have L-1011's on order and then were delivered to DL when DL aquired NE in August 1972?

Northeast ordered 8 L-1011's (4 firm and 4 options) in early 1968 and added 2 more firm orders later that year. In 1970 Northeast and Northwest were engaged in merger talks and since Nothwest had DC-10's or order Northeast cancelled all their L-1011 on order. The proposed merger between Northeast and Northwest fell through and Northeast merged with Delta in 1972. Since the Northeast orders were cancelled 2 years before the Delta and Northeast merged none of their L-1011 order went to Delta.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:17 am

Ah, my favorite subject. I was lucky enough to fly Tristars half way around the world and every where in between. East as far as FRA and west to HNL. How about FRA-MCO as the only way I could get back to the states on a pass, ATL-MIA-SJU before ATL-SJU....flown many times with dad. And one SJU trip I missed with dad on a hiacked Tristar to Havana, Cuba (originally ATL-MIA-SJU). That one got mom a phone call from the president Dave Garrett himself. MIA-ATL, a trip we encounter extreme rough air flying through spring time thunderstorms which threw everyone's lunch on the ceiling....and a few passangers to boot!!!. ATL-ORY, an hour into the flight we hear a loud bang as a fan blade broke loose in number 3. That returned us to ATL were at the next gate, ship 751 was sitting there ready to go and a huge spread of food in the terminal to enjoy while they moved our luggage to our fresh bird. And ATL-SAN, ATL-DTW, ATL-ORF, ATL-BOS, ATL-PHX, ATL-MCO, ATL-DFW-DEN......I think DAL flew the Tristar at least once into any airport that could take her!!! My last flight was ATL-LAX in seat 3B in March of 01 on ship 738. I miss them.
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:41 am

In 1978 I flew a DL L1011 from DTW-FLL and back with no stops at ATL.

I knew in the late 90s, DL was flying the L1011 DTW-ATL

I saw Delta flying MD-11s ATL-MCO as late as spring 2003, and there were a couple parked at Airside 4 gates (where DL Express was and Air Tran now is at MCO) for a few days in Spring 2003 before they headed back up to ATL.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 3:10 pm

Quoting Eyes2thesky (Reply 6):
DFW-ATL, DFW-LAX were milk runs for the 1011.

Milk runs? Edumacate me. is that slang for something else or really, milk runs?

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 57):
Reading this thread is almost depressing. It's hard to imagine an L-1011 or MD-11 on a route such as ATL-MCO these days. And now with the flood of RJ's on many routes, it's even worse.

You know, it was funny. I was just thinking back to a trip I took in 1993, JFK-ATH. And while I'm pretty certain it was a DL MD-11, I was trying to make sure it was not an L-1011 I took.

Great thread and I appreciate learning so much. THanks for sharing those memories!
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:57 pm

My first transatlantic flight was ATL-BRU on a Delta MD-11.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:03 pm

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 62):
in 1993, JFK-ATH.

763.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 62):
You know, it was funny. I was just thinking back to a trip I took in 1993, JFK-ATH. And while I'm pretty certain it was a DL MD-11, I was trying to make sure it was not an L-1011 I took.

Funny thing I have wondered over the years is how many of the eventual MD-11 routes could have been worked by the ex-Western DC-10s until the late 1990s when DL finally committed to the 772ER? The trans-Pacific routes the MD-11 was supposed to work ended up being a disaster with numerous ANC stops for fuel. I've always felt Ronald W. Allen was too quick to unload that part of Westerns fleet.

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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:59 am

I had an interesting routing one time of MCO-ATL-ONT-SAN on a Delta L-1011 in the late 80's or early 90's. Also flew SAN-HNL nonstop about the same time period.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:58 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 62):
You know, it was funny. I was just thinking back to a trip I took in 1993, JFK-ATH. And while I'm pretty certain it was a DL MD-11, I was trying to make sure it was not an L-1011 I took.

It is a great thread you posted. I wasn't meaning to diminish that. I just wish DL L-1011 and MD-11 flights were still possible!

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 65):
I've always felt Ronald W. Allen was too quick to unload that part of Westerns fleet.

Why did Mr. Allen unload the DC-10's so quickly? Considering how fond DL was of MD aircraft it seems surprising. Didn't want a small oddball fleet? Felt they were useless with all the Tristars?
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:03 am

What was the in-flight experience of the M11 like compared to the L10? I was always a HUGE fan of the L10s and tried to fly them whenever I could...I was always wary of D10/M11s and avoided those planes successfully during their life spans (and I have flown several hundred domestic and international flights).
 
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Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:21 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 62):
You know, it was funny. I was just thinking back to a trip I took in 1993, JFK-ATH. And while I'm pretty certain it was a DL MD-11, I was trying to make sure it was not an L-1011 I took.

You're probably right, as ATH-JFK (and maybe even the JFK-ATH legs) would really be pushing the L-1011-500's range.
 
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Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:43 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 69):
ATH-JFK (and maybe even the JFK-ATH legs) would really be pushing the L-1011-500's range.

UA briefly flew L-1011-500's on SFO/LAX-HKG routes in the late 80's, so I'd guess ATH-JFK is within the 6,000nm range.
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Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:27 am

Quoting LY204 (Reply 68):
What was the in-flight experience of the M11 like compared to the L10? I was always a HUGE fan of the L10s and tried to fly them whenever I could...I was always wary of D10/M11s and avoided those planes successfully during their life spans (and I have flown several hundred domestic and international flights).

When the MD-11 first arrived at DAL, they had 2-2-2 first and 2-4-2 business class (same as the 1011's 250/500's) and, of course, more modern with AV monitors. Later the MD11s were changed to Business elite/coach and the 1011's were slowly withdrawn from international use so they never received Business Elite. Also interseting, Delta for a while gave out portable dvd players in first and business (international flights) on 1011's with a limited selection of movies.

You never knew what to expect on the inside of a DAL 1011 in the 90's. The amout of interior upgrading varied fleet wide and DAL was slow to get rid of the dated 70's scheme. Most of the fleet got larger overhead bins which ruined the smooth ceiling curves that the Tristar was noted for. Some planes were ex-PanAm, PanAm/United, Air Canada and Eastern so you could see hints of there former owners sometimes if you looked closely. Interesting too, the former Eastern 1011's had tape stye gauges in the cockpit and DAL also aquired a simulator from EA with the tape gauges at the fire sale. I was lucky enough to play in that sim once.

As far as flying in the MD11, I was suprised it wasn't any quieter inside than the 1011, especially in the rear. Other than newer, it was pretty much like a DC10.

I miss those wide cabins!!!
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:17 am

I remember in 1983 DL had an odd flight for the L1011; DAY-CVG from there I can't remember the rest though.  Sad
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:18 am

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 62):
Milk runs? Edumacate me. is that slang for something else or really, milk runs?

Here's your edumacation  Silly

milk run • (noun) a routine, uneventful journey, especially by aircraft.

— ORIGIN RAF slang in the Second World War for a sortie that was as simple as a milkman’s round.

(courtesy of AskOxford.com)


Great thread. Thanks for starting it.
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:14 pm

Quoting Tristarcrazy (Reply 71):
As far as flying in the MD11, I was suprised it wasn't any quieter inside than the 1011, especially in the rear. Other than newer, it was pretty much like a DC10.

Sounds like I didn't miss too much with regards to the MD11...the L1011 was always a joy to fly, however...that is an aircraft I really do miss...
 
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Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:40 pm

My favorite spot on the 1011-1's was the rear coach cabin right under the #2 engine. When the plane started up, the whole cabin shook. I miss that plane.
 
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Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:35 pm

Quoting Tristarcrazy (Reply 71):
Some planes were ex-PanAm, PanAm/United, Air Canada and Eastern so you could see hints of there former owners sometimes if you looked closely

They used to refer to the L1011s that passed through Pan Am, then onto United then Delta as "PUDs"
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:49 pm

Quoting Timz (Reply 64):
763.

Timz, thanks for haivng been in the 767 numerous times, I know it wasn't the 767.
It was a trijet.

Quoting Tristarcrazy (Reply 71):
When the MD-11 first arrived at DAL, they had 2-2-2 first and 2-4-2 business class (same as the 1011's 250/500's) and, of course, more modern with AV monitors. Later the MD11s were changed to Business elite/coach and the 1011's were slowly withdrawn from international use so they never received Business Elite. Also interseting, Delta for a while gave out portable dvd players in first and business (international flights) on 1011's with a limited selection of movies.

You never knew what to expect on the inside of a DAL 1011 in the 90's. The amout of interior upgrading varied fleet wide and DAL was slow to get rid of the dated 70's scheme. Most of the fleet got larger overhead bins which ruined the smooth ceiling curves that the Tristar was noted for. Some planes were ex-PanAm, PanAm/United, Air Canada and Eastern so you could see hints of there former owners sometimes if you looked closely. Interesting too, the former Eastern 1011's had tape stye gauges in the cockpit and DAL also aquired a simulator from EA with the tape gauges at the fire sale. I was lucky enough to play in that sim once.

As far as flying in the MD11, I was suprised it wasn't any quieter inside than the 1011, especially in the rear. Other than newer, it was pretty much like a DC10.

I miss those wide cabins!!!

Tristarcrazy, I am loving all these anecdotes. Thanks, really getting a lot of out of this thread! Thanks for adding so much.
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:15 pm

Quoting Mirrodie (Reply 77):
Quoting Timz (Reply 64):
763.

Timz, thanks for haivng been in the 767 numerous times, I know it wasn't the 767.
It was a trijet.

I just meant the timetable showed it as a 763. No idea what it actually was.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 70):
UA briefly flew L-1011-500's on SFO/LAX-HKG routes in the late 80's

Can anyone find that in a timetable?
 
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Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:02 pm

Quoting Timz (Reply 78):
Tristarcrazy, I am loving all these anecdotes. Thanks, really getting a lot of out of this thread! Thanks for adding so much.


Your welcome, I love talking about my favorite girl. I grew up on that plane. I was 8yrs old when I first got to fly on her, ATL-MIA back in '73. It was love at first site. The wide cabins, the deep moan of the RR engines on startup, powered exit doors, all them bathrooms in the rear semicircle....there was even a coach coat closet (electrically operated) that would raise the rack in the ceiling so you could store more items. During the late 90's, I took every opportunity to make a DAL Tristar flight cause I knew there days were numbered.

I liked the MD11 but we never had that special vibe!!! I got to fly on a few domestically on DAL but they didn't last long with any carrier. Performance problems from the start. It was cool though to see the MD11 take off from ATL to NRT. That dog was loaded down and she took every inch of the 11,000' runway to get airborne. Sometimes I'd see ground crews stop working to watch to see if she was gonna make it. I'd almost swear she grazed the approach lights a few times!!!!!

ATA was flying Tristars into Atlanta for charters up until about a year or so ago. I believe ATA is replacing them with ex-NWA DC10s. I read somewhere they have a couple Tristars in reserve for millitary charters only so the chances of flying on one again are getting slim.

I hope someone will save at least one......
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:01 pm

Quoting LY204 (Reply 74):
the L1011 was always a joy to fly, however...that is an aircraft I really do miss...

Not only a joy to fly (at least from a pax perspective), but IMO, the classiest looking airliner ever. Sleek, elegant lines. Especially the way the #2 engine is mounted in comparison to the D10. Sure do wish the L10's could have stuck around longer.
 
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Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:04 am

I actually own a poster issued by Delta Air Lines with an L-1011 in flight....

It says....

"Farewell. Lockheed L-1011 TriStar: October 3, 1973 to July 31, 2001."

If you would be interested, the website www.departedflights.com has numorous old flight schedules. You can see plenty of DL L-1011 schedules on there.
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:56 am

I forgot one. Was on a flight from BOS-ATL on an L-1011. was a bit of an adventure as there was low visibility coming into ATL and appearantly the indicator light for one of the main landing gear did not work (i knew something was wrong when we kept a constant left turn circle) so said the pilot over the intercom before landing. landed all okay, but it was an adventure none the less. best part about that flight was there was a total of 30 people on the flight so there was room to spread out!

i saw an L-1011 circling the tower at HNL a few years later with her gear down and it still makes me wonder to this day (if anyone knows) was this a "common" problem as far as the L-1011's went?
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sun Oct 21, 2007 6:12 am

Add DFW-HNL L1011; I took that back in '95, then switched to another DL L1011 flight for HNL-OGG

Also
DFW-ATL L1011: DL#1264 I used to go to DFW to watch that specific flight take off....
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Sun Oct 21, 2007 1:06 pm

The L15 was my favorite plane in the Delta fleet. I distinctly remember flying JFK-IAD and JFK-LAX on the L15. It was not a quiet plane, but it had a cozy economy class cabin. Moreover, the L15's were often staffed by sophisticated and friendly ex-Pan Am flight attendants out of JFK. There was also a nice CVG-LAX flight on the L15, which originated in Frankfurt.

The L10 was less of a thrill because it was so huge. I flew it many times between CVG and LAX, BOS, and LGA (yes, LGA.) The L1011 had this massive cabin of 2-5-2 seating and relatively short seats. It wasn't particularly comfortable.

The MD-11 was a little snazzier. The MD-11 had a newer interior, better video equipment, and a very comfortable BusinessElite cabin. I never flew in Delta's economy class on the M11; but it had a wide and spacious business class. I flew this when Delta offered BusinessElite seats between ATL and LAX and CVG and LAX.
 
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Sun Oct 21, 2007 4:32 pm

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 80):
ot only a joy to fly (at least from a pax perspective), but IMO, the classiest looking airliner ever. Sleek, elegant lines. Especially the way the #2 engine is mounted in comparison to the D10. Sure do wish the L10's could have stuck around longer.

Couldn't agree more...it's sad in my opinion that the L1011, with its substantially better safety record and technological advancements over the DC10, did not have as long of a legacy (or market share) as the DC10s.
 
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Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:09 pm

I believe Delta also flew the MD-11 to GIG - Rio de Janeiro.
 
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Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:30 pm

I really missed the MD11's on LGW ATL when they left the route. Whilst the aircraft were unreliable, they were very quite, and in economy, really comfortable.

The L10, and the MD11, were also scheduled on DL's ATL-SNN-DUB and ATL-DUB-SNN routes.
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Sun Oct 21, 2007 5:33 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 87):
I really missed the MD11's on LGW ATL when they left the route. Whilst the aircraft were unreliable, they were very quite, and in economy, really comfortable.

I know this sounds childish as I have flown on virtually ever aircraft type built over the past 35 years (with the intended exception of DC10s and MD11s), but given the well documented reliability issues, safety issues, and reports from pilots of difficult flying behavior, I would imagine that flying on these aircraft would have felt like a potential deathtrap.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:59 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 75):
My favorite spot on the 1011-1's was the rear coach cabin right under the #2 engine. When the plane started up, the whole cabin shook. I miss that plane.

Actually the engine was behind you not above you.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Sun Oct 21, 2007 10:04 pm

Quoting 474218 (Reply 89):
Actually the engine was behind you not above you.

on some airlines weren't the lavs located in the rear of the cabin (in front of the #2 engine) thus making a thrilling vibtating toilet seat? Big grin
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:18 am

Quoting Tristarcrazy (Reply 79):
ATA was flying Tristars into Atlanta for charters up until about a year or so ago. I believe ATA is replacing them with ex-NWA DC10s. I read somewhere they have a couple Tristars in reserve for millitary charters only so the chances of flying on one again are getting slim.

Before they are phased out, it would be nice if TZ offered a select Tristar flight for us L-1011 lovers.  Smile

Quoting LY204 (Reply 85):
it's sad in my opinion that the L1011, with its substantially better safety record and technological advancements over the DC10, did not have as long of a legacy (or market share) as the DC10s.

I wish the L-1011 was more successful too, especially for how unique and advanced it was for its time. But the DC-10-30 had the Tristar beat in the two areas where it matters most: Payload and range. Hence the larger market share.
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:04 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 91):
I wish the L-1011 was more successful too, especially for how unique and advanced it was for its time. But the DC-10-30 had the Tristar beat in the two areas where it matters most: Payload and range. Hence the larger market share.

True...but it was an ill conceived design that led to a lot of unneccessary fatalities.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Mon Oct 22, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting LY204 (Reply 92):
True...but it was an ill conceived design that led to a lot of unneccessary fatalities.

I wouldn't say the whole DC-10 design was ill conceived. There were shortcomings, but that was a bad result in timing with McDonnell management rushing the project following the merger. Problems were addressed with time and the DC-10 had a very good safety record from 1980 on.

The MD-11 is essentially the same design, yet had none of the flaws that plagued the early build DC-10's.
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:24 am

Quoting Cell7481 (Reply 5):
Does anyone know what kind of plane DL flew on the ATL-MAD-BCN route during the summer of 1996. It was my first interational flight and based on the DL history, I thought it was an MD-11 but could have been wrong. I was not the aviation guru that I am now.

In the summer of 1996 (DL´s summer timetable in 1996 was effective June 1 - September 30) Delta served flight DL108 ATL-MAD-BCN with the Lockheed TriStar L1011-500.

1996 is a very representative year because the mid 90´s were surely the peak of DL´s MD-11 and L1011 operation internationally. Other routes (both international and domestic) included:

DL10 M11 ATL-LGW
DL11 M11 LGW-ATL
DL12 M11 ATL-LGW
DL14 L15 ATL-FRA
DL15 M11 FRA-ATL
DL16 L15 HNL-DFW-ATL
DL17 L15 ATL-DFW-HNL
DL19 M11 LGW-ATL
DL20 M11 ATL-FRA
DL21 L15 ORY-ATL
DL22 L15 ATL-ORY
DL27 L15 FRA-ATL
DL36 M11 CVG-LGW
DL37 M11 LGW-CVG
DL38 L15 ATL-AMS-STR
DL39 L15 STR-AMS-ATL
DL40 L15 MCO-FRA
DL41 L15 FRA-MCO
DL43 L15 ORY-CVG
DL44 L15 CVG-ORY
DL48 M11 CVG-FRA
DL49 M11 FRA-CVG
DL50 M11 SEL-PDX
DL51 M11 ATL-PDX-NRT
DL52 M11 NRT-PDX-ATL
DL53 L15 ATL-HNL
DL54 L15 HNL-ATL
DL57 M11 FRA-LAX
DL58 M11 LAX-FRA
DL59 M11 PDX-SEL
DL60 L15 IAD-FRA
DL61 L15 FRA-IAD
DL62 L15 ATL-JFK
DL63 L15 JFK-ATL
DL64 L15 ATL-MAN
DL65 L15 MAN-ATL
DL72 L15 JFK-FRA
DL73 L15 FRA-JFK
DL74 M11 NGO-PDX
DL75 M11 PDX-NGO
DL78 M11 NRT-LAX
DL79 M11 LAX-NRT
DL80 L15 JFK-AMS-PRG
DL81 L15 PRG-AMS-JFK
DL108 L15 ATL-MAD-BCN
DL109 L15 BCN-MAD-ATL
DL118 L15 JFK-ORY
DL119 L15 ORY-JFK
DL122 L15 CVG-ZRH
DL123 L15 ZRH-CVG
DL128 L15 ATL-SNN-DUB-ATL
DL129 L15 ATL-DUB-SNN-ATL
DL140 L15 JFK-BRU
DL141 L15 BRU-JFK

M11 = McDonnell Douglas MD-11 seating 18+32+215
L15 = Lockheed TriStar (L1011-250/500) seating 32+265; 12+45+203; 12+35+170; 12+30+183


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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:32 am

Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 94):
In the summer of 1996 (DL´s summer timetable in 1996 was effective June 1 - September 30) Delta served flight DL108 ATL-MAD-BCN with the Lockheed TriStar L1011-500.

Wow, what an amazing list for widebody TATL tri-jet flights, thanks for posting. What role did the 763ER serve for DL in circa '96?
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:00 am

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 95):
What role did the 763ER serve for DL in circa '96?

DL30 763 JFK-SVO
DL31 763 SVO-JFK
DL32 763 ATL-MUC
DL33 763 MUC-ATL
DL70 763 JFK-CPH
DL71 763 CPH-JFK
DL76 763 JFK-MUC
DL77 763 MUC-JFK
DL82 763 JFK-NCE
DL83 763 NCE-JFK
DL84 763 JFK-MXP
DL85 763 MXP-JFK
DL92 763 JFK-TXL
DL93 763 TXL-JFK
DL106 763 JFK-FRA-BOM
DL107 763 BOM-FRA-JFK
DL124 763 ATL-BRU
DL125 763 BRU-ATL
DL132 763 JFK-ATH
DL133 763 ATH-JFK
DL146 763 ATL-VIE-BUD
DL147 763 BUD-VIE-ATL
DL148 763 JFK-FCO
DL149 763 FCO-JFK

763 = Boeing 767-300ER seating 10+34+174

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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:07 am

I believe DL also used the MD-11 JFK-DXB during their first attempt to serve that market. Forget whether that was nonstop or via FRA.

Quoting LY204 (Reply 68):
What was the in-flight experience of the M11 like compared to the L10? I was always a HUGE fan of the L10s and tried to fly them whenever I could...I was always wary of D10/M11s and avoided those planes successfully during their life spans (and I have flown several hundred domestic and international flights).

Although I enjoyed many L1011 flights, I always preferred the DC-10 and MD-11. One reason was their larger windows.

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 75):
My favorite spot on the 1011-1's was the rear coach cabin right under the #2 engine.

You mean "in front of the #2 engine". Unlike the DC-10 and MD-11, the L1011's #2 engine is in the tail behind the passenger cabin. Same design as the B727 with an S-duct air intake.
 
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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:26 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 97):
I believe DL also used the MD-11 JFK-DXB during their first attempt to serve that market. Forget whether that was nonstop or via FRA.

The route was indeed served with the MD-11 however it wasn't nonstop neither through FRA... the routing was JFK-CAI-DXB.

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RE: Delta's MD-11 And L-1011 City Pairs

Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:29 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 97):
You mean "in front of the #2 engine". Unlike the DC-10 and MD-11, the L1011's #2 engine is in the tail behind the passenger cabin. Same design as the B727 with an S-duct air intake.

I think you will find the the number 2 engine on the DC-10, MD-11 and L-1011 were will behind the passenger cabin.

Also suggest to read Replay 89.


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