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EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 1:56 pm

Looks like EOS is doing better than MAXJET or SILVER JET. Doesnt say which Paris airport


Eos Airlines Celebrates Two Years of Success by Announcing Two New Routes
Thursday October 18, 8:00 am ET
- Paris and Newark Flights to Debut in 2008 -
- Seventh and Eighth Boeing 757s to Enter Fleet -


PURCHASE, N.Y., Oct. 18 /PRNewswire/ -- In celebration of its second anniversary today, Eos Airlines, whose "Uncrowded" travel experience has captured the loyalty of premium trans-Atlantic travelers, announced it will begin flights between New York's JFK and Paris, and Newark and London Stansted Airports in 2008. With a recent infusion of $50 million in investment capital, Eos also announced it will secure its seventh and eighth Boeing 757 aircraft in order to introduce as many as four new routes in 2008.
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"Eos Class service is coming to Paris and Newark, and so is an end to making compromises in air travel," pronounced Jack Williams, Eos Airlines CEO. "Our Guests tell us that 'Uncrowded' is the only way they want to travel, so we have expanded our operations to other destinations to meet the demand. These new routes are great markets and also represent a path to profitability for our investors."

With its proven business model, Eos' success has sparked a host of imitators, from single-class "start-ups" to established legacy carriers attempting to copy many aspects of Eos Class. None have been able to match the industry-leading "Uncrowded, Uncompromising" travel experience. Eos flies the world's only Boeing 757 aircraft configured with just 48 "suites," ensuring a superb end-to-end travel experience for its Guests, and encompassing every detail from superior baggage handling to curbside assistants who personally escort guests through the check-in process. It has also led the field with the best on-time performance between New York and London for 18 months running. This unprecedented attention to detail has resulted in an unparalleled 97% Guest satisfaction rating.

Eos will add flights between Newark International Airport and Stansted Airport in Spring 2008. This new route acknowledges that New Jersey-based premium travelers and corporations have been eager for Eos to add flights that depart from Newark, and will expand on Eos' schedule to 58 flights per week between the New York metropolitan area and London. Flights between New York and Paris are expected to commence in Fall 2008. Details of initial ticket sale dates and schedules will be announced in the coming months.

About Eos Airlines

Eos provides single-class premium service in a class by itself -- "Eos Class." Eos was named "Best Long Haul Business Airline" at the 2007 Business Travel World Awards based on the strength of its dedicated employees, operational excellence and "uncrowded" guest experience. Eos flies the world's only 757s outfitted with just 48 "suites," each of which houses an award-winning 6'6" fully-horizontal flat-bed and provides 21 square feet of personal space with unobstructed aisle access for every guest. Eos offers 44 flights per week between New York's JFK Airport and London's Stansted Airport and takes responsibility for the complete end-to-end experience of its guests. For more information, visit eosairlines.com or call 800.598.2169.
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:05 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Thread starter):
- Paris and Newark Flights to Debut in 2008 -

So we will have:

BA
AF
DL
L avion

and now EOS too.

God it will be so many carriers on the Paris to NYC market.

Will all survive??? Doubt it.

It will be 18daily flights with EOS.
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:12 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
So we will have:

BA
AF
DL
L avion

You forgot

AA daily from JFK
CO 3xs daily from EWR,
AI daily from EWR.
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 2:15 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 2):
You forgot

AA daily from JFK
CO 3xs daily from EWR,
AI daily from EWR.

And that doesn't make the list look better.

This is just horrible.
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:25 pm

BA aint gonna last...this pissing match between AF and BA is dellusional...AF isnt going to make LHR-LAX work and BA isnt going to make JFK-CDG work
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:40 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
It will be 18daily flights with EOS.

it will be 19 daily flights with EOS !
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:49 pm

Quoting FoxXray (Reply 5):
it will be 19 daily flights with EOS !

19 daily !!!! God.

Think that L avion will be the first carrier to close their Paris flights to NYC.
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 3:53 pm

Will Eos add CDG or ORY or did I miss that somewhere?
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:54 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
BA aint gonna last...this pissing match between AF and BA is dellusional...AF isnt going to make LHR-LAX work and BA isnt going to make JFK-CDG work

We'll just have to see about that! I have to say I find your style somewhat arrogant.

BA have a large premium customer base in New York which I'm sure will now be happy that they can fly with British Airways direct to Europe. BA isn't trully competing with Air France, if they were they'd be using 767s and 777s to Paris. They are simply offering their loyal premum passengers in New York that would otherwise have gone via Heathrow, to opportunity to fly direct to Europe, thus bypassing the mess that is Heathrow. The added bonus is that it frees up more space on the JFK-LHR flights allowing BA to generate more revenue.
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:12 pm

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 8):
We'll just have to see about that! I have to say I find your style somewhat arrogant.

I think it is reality...especially for AF on LHR-LAX........Airlines lose money because they do stupid things...BA flying JFk-LHR is stupid and AF flying LHR-LAX is stupid...I think DL can fly LAX-LHR if the yneed a Skyteam member and AA already flys JFK-CDG.....this is poor use of aircraft on their account AF and BA
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:08 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 9):
.BA flying JFk-LHR is stupid

...I'm sure you meant "BA flying JFk-CDG is stupid".... Wink
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 8:33 pm

oh yeah sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:39 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 9):
I think it is reality...especially for AF on LHR-LAX........Airlines lose money because they do stupid things...BA flying JFk-LHR is stupid and AF flying LHR-LAX is stupid...I think DL can fly LAX-LHR if the yneed a Skyteam member and AA already flys JFK-CDG.....this is poor use of aircraft on their account AF and BA

The problem with DL operating LAX-LHR is that they are short on long-haul aircraft. LAX-LHR is a push for the 767 and I believe they only have 8 772s which already run a busy schedule. In addition to this, I don't believe they currently have any long-haul aircraft based at LAX which means that they either have to fly a wide-bodied aircraft from JFK or ATL to LAX first, or run something like a JFK-LHR-LAX-LHR-JFK flight. I suspect the lack of long-haul aircraft at Delta is why Air France will be operating the route, not DL. Also, I think DL and AF are moving towards a KLM/Northwest style relationship on their transatlantic network which will mean all of the costs/profits will be shared, and therefore it doesn't really matter who operates the route.

I have to agree with you in that I believe the AF LHR-LAX flights will struggle. The 77W is a large plane to fill, especially considering it is being used between 2 non-Skyteam hub airports. A Delta build up at LAX would help.

As for BA I disagree with you. I don't think it is stupid at all. BA have a substantial premium class customer base at JFK- many of whom probably fly to CDG with British Airways transiting via LHR. The point of BA using 757s from JFK to mainland Europe is to allow those premium class passengers to fly with BA but avoid Heathrow. I suspect most of the customers using these new BA flights will be existing BA customers who are opting for a direct flight instead of one via LHR. The other benefit is if people fly direct, rather than via LHR, capacity is freed on the busy LHR flights. Because of the relatively low capacity of the 757s, BA won't have to work very hard to fill them. And because the 757s are already owned and are being used between large BA bases, their overheads will be comparitively low. Also remeber that although AA already fly JFK-LHR, they are not in any kind of profit-sharing joint venture with BA, so the fact that AA already fly to CDG is of little benefit to BA.

As for aircraft utilisation, you have to remeber that BA will not only be flying from JFK to CDG. It's rumoured that Milan, Amsterdam and Brussels are also potential destinations, and that there is the possiblity that up to 14 757s will be used on transatlatic flights. Obviously when that many 757s are being used on transatlantic routes BA should be able to come up with a schedule that maximises aircraft utilisation.
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:43 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 4):
BA aint gonna last...this pissing match between AF and BA is dellusional...AF isnt going to make LHR-LAX work and BA isnt going to make JFK-CDG work



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 9):
I think it is reality...especially for AF on LHR-LAX........Airlines lose money because they do stupid things...BA flying JFk-LHR is stupid and AF flying LHR-LAX is stupid...I think DL can fly LAX-LHR if the yneed a Skyteam member and AA already flys JFK-CDG.....this is poor use of aircraft on their account AF and BA



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
I'm sure you meant "BA flying JFk-CDG is stupid"....

I couldn't agree more. BA should have put its code on AA CDG-JFK and DL should have operated LAX-LHR with its own metal in code-share with AF
So now we'll have 4 more daily PAR-NYC flights and all done with 757 !!!? Are they all becoming crazy ? Open sky agreement does not mean that thousands more pax per day will fly a route. This is a non sense + a stupid waste of money, ressources (A/C, oil, etc)  banghead   redflag  Come on guys and come back on Earth

Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
Think that L avion will be the first carrier to close their Paris flights to NYC.

Probably, as they don't have solid established finances to survive against AF/DL, BA and even Eos. We could also see CO withdrawing their 757 flight to EWR (to keep the 2 other daily flights).
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:44 pm

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 13):
Open sky agreement does not mean that thousands more pax per day will fly a route

QUOTE OF THE DAY!!!! Fares are already pretty low on Trans Atlantic
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 13):
couldn't agree more. BA should have put its code on AA CDG-JFK

AA and BA don't have a profit-sharing joint venture, and therefore BA gets little benefit out of AA operating JFK-CDG. That is probably why they want to operate it on their own metal.

Quoting Goldorak (Reply 13):
DL should have operated LAX-LHR with its own metal in code-share with AF

Problem is, DL have a shortage of aircraft capable for LAX-LHR.

Also, as neither AF nor DL have long-haul aircraft based at LHR or LAX the aircraft used for this flight would have to operate a more complicated routing (JFK-LHR-LAX-LHR-JFK for DL, or CDG-LAX-LHR-LAX-CDG on AF), so it is a tricky route to operate for either airline. Also, they will be setting up a profit-sharing joint venture, so it doesn't matter who is operating the route, all profits/costs will be shared.
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:08 pm

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 12):
LAX-LHR is a push for the 767



Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 15):
Problem is, DL have a shortage of aircraft capable for LAX-LHR

I believe DL used 763ER's on both SFO-FRA and LAX-FRA at one time. LAX-LHR really shouldn't be an issue.
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:12 am

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 14):
QUOTE OF THE DAY!!!! Fares are already pretty low on Trans Atlantic

Agree with you. I am amongst the few to think that this Open Sky is useless at best, and might cause more harm than good. now every single TATL flight is going to be opertated with 757  Sad

I read here I think that there is a clause in the contract for the EU to withdrawn from it if the effects aren't so good, because for some reason the idea was that this deal favours more US airlines. Is it real?
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Fri Oct 19, 2007 5:52 pm

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 12):
A Delta build up at LAX would help.

Which they have done in the past year or so. Not sure if the flights will connect to LHR services but DL serve all major West Coast USA/Canada destinastions out of LAX, along with Hawaii
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:05 pm

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 15):
Also, they will be setting up a profit-sharing joint venture, so it doesn't matter who is operating the route, all profits/costs will be shared.

That isnt entirely true...the carrier that should operate the route is the carrier that can maximize revenue on the route....it is less important today than in the past when travel agents mattered but a AF-AF connection would have better screen presence and QSI than a AF-AF* connection and would thus get more revenue......I agree with you 95%, but not 100%
 
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Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:05 pm

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 16):
I believe DL used 763ER's on both SFO-FRA and LAX-FRA at one time. LAX-LHR really shouldn't be an issue.

You are correct (at least on the LAX-FRA). Not sure about SFO-FRA. I had the same thought on LAX-LHR. The issue would simply be where to pull the aircraft from. With the 757's coming online I would guess that they could generate an extra 767 from that.
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:22 am

Quoting Humberside (Reply 18):
Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 12):
A Delta build up at LAX would help.

Which they have done in the past year or so. Not sure if the flights will connect to LHR services but DL serve all major West Coast USA/Canada destinastions out of LAX, along with Hawaii

I was pretty sure DL were expanding at LAX, but I wasn't sure how far along in the process they were. From what you've said it sounds like they have a nice little hub developing at LAX which would certainly help the LHR-LAX flights.

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 16):
Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 15):
Problem is, DL have a shortage of aircraft capable for LAX-LHR

I believe DL used 763ER's on both SFO-FRA and LAX-FRA at one time. LAX-LHR really shouldn't be an issue.

Yes, the 763ER can operate LAX-LHR, but with what load? LAX is heading towards the top end of the 763ERs range and heavier than normal winds across the Atlantic or hotter than normal weather at LAX could quite easily force the flight to stop for fuel on the way or leave pax/cargo behind. I believe AA have had similar problems in the past when using the 763 from LAX to LHR. I guess it is necessary to work out how many days your service might be affected by unsuitable weather.

Quoting Icna05e (Reply 17):
I read here I think that there is a clause in the contract for the EU to withdrawn from it if the effects aren't so good, because for some reason the idea was that this deal favours more US airlines. Is it real?

That correct, I think if by 2010 the US hasn't allowed EU airlines to own more than 25% of US carriers then the old style Bermuda II et al will be re-introduced. The EU thinks that the current deal favours US airlines as it allows US airlines to operate intra-Europe flights but does not allow EU airlines to operate domestic US flights.
 
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RE: EOS Expanding To EWR And Paris

Sat Oct 20, 2007 11:00 am

Quoting B747-4U3 (Reply 21):
Yes, the 763ER can operate LAX-LHR, but with what load? LAX is heading towards the top end of the 763ERs range and heavier than normal winds across the Atlantic or hotter than normal weather at LAX could quite easily force the flight to stop for fuel on the way or leave pax/cargo behind. I believe AA have had similar problems in the past when using the 763 from LAX to LHR. I guess it is necessary to work out how many days your service might be affected by unsuitable weather

Flights from LAX to cities in the UK or cities in northern continental Europe (and return) are really not a problem for the 763ER, AA and UA have both flown the 763ER from LAX (or SFO) to London and Paris, SAS flew LAX to CPH with the 763ER, etc on a daily basis year round for many years in both directions on a nonstop basis without any issue. I am sure that there are other city pairs between LAX and Europe that have been flown by other airlines (including EU holiday/charter airlines) with the 763ER.

That being said, these routes are near the operational limits of the 763ER, and like any route being operated near the limits of any specific airliner, certain issues will come into play when dispatching the aircraft: on occasion there will be restrictions on seat sales and/or passenger boarding, sometimes cargo will be left behind and sent on other flights, non-rev pax will be advised to look for other flights, etc, etc. But a 763ER has no problem operating the LAX-LHR route almost all of the time with a full load of pax and their baggage.......thus scheduling the type for this route is not an issue.

One issue to consider concerning the 767 on rather long segments - its cruising speed. Flying time between LAX and London is about 45 minutes longer with the 767 than, say, a 747.........something that makes neither the airlines or passengers happy.

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