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Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:19 pm

Ecuadorian airline Aerogal, who yesterday received US DOT approval to fly to Miami and New York, will begin daily service between Miami and Guayaquil on 04Dec07. The daily service will operate with a 737-400.

http://www.elcomercio.com/noticiaEC.asp?id_noticia=144146&id_seccion=6
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:31 pm

What are the odds of this actually starting? Have they even sourced a 734 yet?
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:35 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 1):
What are the odds of this actually starting? Have they even sourced a 734 yet?

It's very true that it is very often that a Latin airline "announces" Miami only to never start it, but I think the odds are very good. They even announced the schedule. I don't know if they have the 734.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Thu Oct 18, 2007 5:59 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
I don't know if they have the 734.

Not at the moment. http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=2K&al_op=1
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:29 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):
It's very true that it is very often that a Latin airline "announces" Miami only to never start it, but I think the odds are very good. They even announced the schedule. I don't know if they have the 734.

Well lookahurre...it's already in OAG. That's farther than just about anyone else has gotten in the process.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:48 pm

Looks like this one has a good probability of becoming reality. Can't they start with the 727/737-200 they have?

MIA service by an ecuadorian airline has been long overdue since SAETA stopped flights in 1999.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:56 pm

I would love to see AeroGal to expand to the American market...MIA is a good start and there is quit a lot of demand I can tell you, especially in Guayaquil...Hopefully we can see some services to JFK, CCS and LIM...
I can say from experience that AeroGal is a very reliable and neat airline.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:17 am

2K Aerogal can transfer passengers coming from MIA to their domestic destinations.
The most interesting local connection seems to be Galapagos Islands due 2K is currently flying UIO-GYE-GPS Baltra and UIO-GYE-SCY San Cristobal.
Nonetheless, regarding the schedules stated on the press release, it may not be possible to make immediately connections to Galapagos through GYE.
 
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Re: Aerogal MIA

Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:17 pm

AeroGal MIA Schedule loaded:

2K 900 GYE 1000-1530 MIA 734 Daily
2K 901 MIA 1700-2000 GYE 734 Daily
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:05 pm

My guess is they've contracted with Miami Air which have at least 1 737-400 which sucks for variety (unless the plane is completely repainted in AeroGal c/s -I doubt it).
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:14 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
My guess is they've contracted with Miami Air which have at least 1 737-400 which sucks for variety (unless the plane is completely repainted in AeroGal c/s -I doubt it).

Possible, but two things go against that:

1) The flight is listed in res systems as operated by AeroGal. If it were another carrier, it would state so with an "OP".
2) The flight originates and terminates in Guayquil. If it was Miami Air-operated, it would most likely originate and terminate in Miami.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:26 pm

I wonder how they'll fare against XL, which benefits from larger aircraft, better amenities (PTVs, flying out of a brand-new concourse at MIA, etc), and brand recognition.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:29 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
AeroGal MIA Schedule loaded:

2K 900 GYE 1000-1530 MIA 734 Daily
2K 901 MIA 1700-2000 GYE 734 Daily

How will 2K offer connections to Baltra and San Cristobal Island with the current arrival schedule? I thought that there were no lights on the runway in Baltra and San Cristobal, thus making after-Sunset arrivals impossible!
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:09 am

Quoting Charlipr (Reply 12):
How will 2K offer connections to Baltra and San Cristobal Island with the current arrival schedule? I thought that there were no lights on the runway in Baltra and San Cristobal, thus making after-Sunset arrivals impossible!

Galapagos-bound travellers have to overnight on the Mainland before flying to the Islands.

However, having been to the Galapagos several times, I'd not mind being able to skip spending the night in UIO or GYE.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
My guess is they've contracted with Miami Air which have at least 1 737-400 which sucks for variety (unless the plane is completely repainted in AeroGal c/s -I doubt it).

I believe the Miami Air -400 is outfitted with a VIP, very low density interior, unlike the -800s, but that needs to be confirmed.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:41 am

Quoting Charlipr (Reply 12):
How will 2K offer connections to Baltra and San Cristobal Island with the current arrival schedule?



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
AeroGal MIA Schedule loaded:

2K 900 GYE 1000-1530 MIA 734 Daily
2K 901 MIA 1700-2000 GYE 734 Daily

In fact, immediately connections from/to Galapagos Islands are not available following such arrangement.

2K 032.........GYE 10:00.........GPS 10:30 **
2K 033.........GPS 12:00.........GYE 14:30 **

2K 036.........GYE 10:30.........SCY 11:15 **
2K 037.........SCY 12:15.........GYE 15:00 **

** Timetable and frequencies may slightly vary on weekends.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:55 am

Sounds like a job for Xtra.......
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:28 am

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
In fact, immediately connections from/to Galapagos Islands are not available following such arrangement.

2K 032.........GYE 10:00.........GPS 10:30 **
2K 033.........GPS 12:00.........GYE 14:30 **

2K 036.........GYE 10:30.........SCY 11:15 **
2K 037.........SCY 12:15.........GYE 15:00 **

** Timetable and frequencies may slightly vary on weekends.

So basically, there is not an immeadeate connection. A overnight stop is required as Gte439u stated!!!
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:18 pm

From what I was told today, it is Aerogal's own 737-400 that will operate the route. The aircraft will be configured in a low-density, 136 passenger configuration.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:26 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 5):

MIA service by an ecuadorian airline has been long overdue since SAETA stopped flights in 1999.

LAN Ecuador operates GYE-MIA and UIO-JFK...
I know these planes are CC-registered but they operate under the LAN Ecuador division.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:44 pm

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 19):
LAN Ecuador operates GYE-MIA and UIO-JFK...
I know these planes are CC-registered but they operate under the LAN Ecuador division.

It's still LAN
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:11 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 20):
Quoting PHKLM (Reply 19):
LAN Ecuador operates GYE-MIA and UIO-JFK...
I know these planes are CC-registered but they operate under the LAN Ecuador division.

It's still LAN

Yes, but they do happen to use Ecuatoriana's route licenses.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:20 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
The aircraft will be configured in a low-density, 136 passenger configuration.

Is that for operational reasons? I wouldn't think 1900 miles is pushing it for a 734.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:36 pm

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 19):
LAN Ecuador operates GYE-MIA and UIO-JFK...

XL Lan Ecuador flies UIO-JFK via GYE.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:26 pm

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 19):
LAN Ecuador operates GYE-MIA and UIO-JFK...

It's the opposite. They fly MIA-UIO-GYE and JFK-GYE-UIO.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 22):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
The aircraft will be configured in a low-density, 136 passenger configuration.

Is that for operational reasons? I wouldn't think 1900 miles is pushing it for a 734.

I would assume so.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:26 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):

I would assume so.

Me too, but it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The aircraft has a published range of 4000 km, and MIA-GYE is only about 3100 km. Since they're flying to GYE and not UIO, runway performance isn't an issue, and headwinds shouldn't be a big problem on what is almost a straight north-south route.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sun Oct 28, 2007 7:53 am

Hey, great to see people are also interested in this great news.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 9):
My guess is they've contracted with Miami Air which have at least 1 737-400 which sucks for variety (unless the plane is completely repainted in AeroGal c/s -I doubt it).



first off, out of the SOURCES mouth, the owner of the airline. Flight will be started on Dec7th, not the 4th as planned. the 737-400's will be IN AEROGAL livery, not certain if the same livery or if the new colors will be unvealed yet. Some very nice ones by the way.

The 737's are not MIAMI AIR from what i was told, they will be from an other airline, and I repeat, Aerogal colors.

Quoting Charlipr (Reply 12):
How will 2K offer connections to Baltra and San Cristobal Island with the current arrival schedule? I thought that there were no lights on the runway in Baltra and San Cristobal, thus making after-Sunset arrivals impossible!

Baltra now has ILS and lighting and they dont operate at night as cruise ships sail in the morning or late afternoon, but it is a good options, but no, they dont have flights at night.

I was told in a meeting with Aerogals president this friday, the planes will arrive on the 26th of Nov, and there will be a big ceremony. The inagural flight I believe will be with invited people only and I was lucky enough to be invited. Im oraganizing a few things regarding this, so lets see what I find out until then!

Stefano Rota
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:15 am

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 26):
Some very nice ones by the way.

New colors? Nice to hear cause the current ones are nice but not great, white/blue tail.. and there's too much of that.

I was actually looking at the Ecuavisa channel for a few minutes and they happened to be talking about this and even saw the commercial for the airline's new service to Miami, quite nice. They talked about the airline getting 2 new planes? and mentioned the 737-400 (yes they even mentioned -400) and how it will be the first airline from Ecuador to do fly to Miami in 8 years.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec

Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:10 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 27):
They talked about the airline getting 2 new planes? and mentioned the 737-400 (yes they even mentioned -400) and how it will be the first airline from Ecuador to do fly to Miami in 8 years.

Indeed and it will be great to see a real Ecuadorian airline return to MIA. In addition, Icaro has been in talks with MIA, and it is hoping for a May-June 2008 launch date for Miami flights. They are planning on acquiring a 767-200, and offering a daily service to/from Quito, with one flight a week (on Mondays) operating via Manta, Ecuador. However, unlike AeroGal, Icaro does not has not have U.S. DOT approval to fly to the U.S. although they have applied and are hoping to get it soon. Like AeroGal, they plan to be in Concourse F.

2008 might be a good year for Latin/Caribbean airlines and MIA, thanks to the U.S. adding countries like the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, and Venezuela to the "Category I" list and allowing them to fly their own planes to MIA. Previously airlines from those countries, and others like Trinidad & Tobago, were barred from flying their own planes to the U.S. (unless they already had been flying them when their ranking was downgraded), and the expenses of wet-leasing made flying to Miami, and the U.S. in general, prohibitive. The U.S. has been upgrading quite a few nations from Category II to Category I in the past year, and more will hopefully follow. Suriname is trying really hard to get Category I, which would allow Surinam Airways to return.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
2008 might be a good year for Latin/Caribbean airlines and MIA, thanks to the U.S. adding countries like the Dominican Republic, Ecuador, and Venezuela to the "Category I"

I'd be glad to see a Dominican carrier at Miami again, shame Aeromar didn't last long, but now that the country is CAT I it should improve their chances w/out having to use an Air Atlanta, etc to operate their flights.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 28):
Suriname is trying really hard to get Category I, which would allow Surinam Airways to return.

Yes that's another one. Other than the rare maintenance visit by the MD80, the airline hasn't used their own metal to Miami in almost 15 years  Sad
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec

Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:17 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 29):

I'd be glad to see a Dominican carrier at Miami again, shame Aeromar didn't last long, but now that the country is CAT I it should improve their chances w/out having to use an Air Atlanta, etc to operate their flights.

Indeed. A new airline, Dominicana, recently applied with U.S. DOT. Initial plans focus on flights to San Juan and Aguadilla, but they eventually hope to expand to Miami.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 29):

Yes that's another one. Other than the rare maintenance visit by the MD80, the airline hasn't used their own metal to Miami in almost 15 years

Indeed. They still maintain offices in Miami, but their many attempts at wet-lease agreements with airlines like Miami Air and Falcon Air have never proved to be successful. The costs are just too high for them to maintain the route. They currently have an interline agreement with Air Jamaica to take Miami passengers, but would love to use their own aircraft to MIA non-stop from PBM if only DOT would let them.

2008 is already shaping out to be a good year for MIA and it hasn't even started - AeroGal, Virgin America, and the return of Lufthansa's second daily, and some more surprises from Latin America I'm sure.

[Edited 2007-10-28 04:19:43]
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:49 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 27):
New colors? Nice to hear cause the current ones are nice but not great, white/blue tail.. and there's too much of that.

its more a less the same colors but with more modern scheme and lines which look similar to Aeromexico, a bit of LAN and others, but its not for certain. What I was told is that one plane, didnt understand weather the 732 or a 734 would have a promotional liveyr with the I WANNA MIAMI logo or saying. Ill find more ASAP!
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:13 pm

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 31):
didnt understand weather the 732 or a 734 would have a promotional liveyr with the I WANNA MIAMI logo or saying. Ill find more ASAP!

I wouldn't mind seeing this one: Big grin


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but I guess they won't send 732s to Miami, or 727s?

Hope it looks nothing like the new white/blue Aeromexico colors, IMO that's awful. They should get something distinctive, something like what Icaro had on the F28s.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:51 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 32):
but I guess they won't send 732s

Doubt you will see "El cafe rojo" hahaha there. Only the 734's will fly there as those are the ones with permition to fly there. 732's wont make it. I would of loved to see 752 and 762 as aerogal said in the begining, would operate to KMIA.

As i said, colors are intended to stay the same  Wink

Stefano
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:52 pm

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 33):
Doubt you will see "El cafe rojo" hahaha there. Only the 734's will fly there as those are the ones with permition to fly there. 732's wont make it

AeroGal can fly any plane they own to the U.S., if it can make it. Ecuador is Category I. No plane restrictions at all.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:58 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 34):
AeroGal can fly any plane they own to the U.S., if it can make it. Ecuador is Category I. No plane restrictions at all.

I believe so, no doubt about it, but they will fly 737-400 there since its the "luxury" one for aerogal and this is a special route. T he new planes were bought ONLY for this route, otherwise they wouldnt of bought them..... Besides, i dont know if the 732's are allowed to enter USA, due to noise problems. They are particularly loud inspite of the fact that they have stage3 hushkits, and I doubt range will work, unless a fuel stop is made outside ecuador. And thats what Aerogal doesnt want.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:05 am

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 35):

I believe so, no doubt about it, but they will fly 737-400 there since its the "luxury" one for aerogal and this is a special route. T he new planes were bought ONLY for this route, otherwise they wouldnt of bought them..... Besides, i dont know if the 732's are allowed to enter USA, due to noise problems. They are particularly loud inspite of the fact that they have stage3 hushkits, and I doubt range will work, unless a fuel stop is made outside ecuador. And thats what Aerogal doesnt want.

Correct. They will only fly the 734's and bought them for this route. However, they good hypothetically operate any aircraft they own to the U.S., as long as they meet, as you mentioned, noise compliances and some other safety compliances.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:12 pm

Ok, got the info.

Aerogals 737-400 are coming from Ryanair, due to arrive late November; Both of them. One will have a special Guayaquil logo. Once both planes arrive, tehre will be a aspecial ceremony at the GYE convention center, which is the old GYE terminal, with the ceremony of these planes, 1200 people are invited. The 737's will be fitted with coach class, business and business elite classes. Ahh, they will maintain the classic aerogal colors!

Flight will be done Dec7th, Im not aware if it will be dont only for the invited people or already revenue flight. There is no certain schedule for this event, but ill find out more.

All for now, let see how it gos!
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Mon Oct 29, 2007 3:48 pm

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 37):
Aerogals 737-400 are coming from Ryanair

Ryanair UK? They haven't had 734s for a while.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:13 pm

Hmmm, that what I was told.

"De que aerolínea vienen los aviones Boeing 737-400?"

Los aviones vienen de Ryan


So, thats what ive been told. Nothing else I know of yet.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:16 pm

Sounds like we know where some of the 738s that Ryanair wants to get rid off will go to.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Mon Oct 29, 2007 8:18 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 40):
Sounds like we know where some of the 738s that Ryanair wants to get rid off will go to.

Maybe it is Ryan International, a US based carrier!!! I believe they operate/operated B733/B734
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Tue Oct 30, 2007 4:54 am

Quoting Charlipr (Reply 41):
Maybe it is Ryan International, a US based carrier!!! I believe they operate/operated B733/B734

AHA!! Very good, we got someone doing some research or atleast cooperating with information! I think that could be it! Way to go! thanks!
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Tue Oct 30, 2007 5:13 am

Correct. They are coming from Rockford, Illinois-based Ryan International Airlines, who does a lot of wet-leasing and sub-operations for other airlines. For example, they operate schedule Miami-Santa Cruz service on behalf of AeroSur.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:42 am

Ah, makes better sense!

I had no idea Ryan International had any 734s.

http://www.flyryan.com/737_400.html

Now I stand corrected.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Tue Oct 30, 2007 6:33 pm

The only Ryan B734 I can see with Aerogal is N251RY, the other two operate for JPATS.

Quote:

2201 25180 B737-4Y0 N251RY
2335 25765 B737-48E N765TA opf JPATS
2244 25843 B737-436 N843BB opf JPATS

As I can see, Aerogal will start flights to MIA from December, 7 2007.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Tue Oct 30, 2007 11:50 pm

You can now book the flights online at their website Aerogal. However, their prices don't seem cheaper than LAN or AA or CM... Anyways, wish them luck!
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 38):
Ryanair UK? They haven't had 734s for a while.

That's what I thought too.

If it's the one from Ryan Intl:

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The tail is already blue and the fuselage boring white, all they have to paint is the titles now..  frown 
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:33 am

Quoting Atnight (Reply 46):
You can now book the flights online at their website Aerogal.

I understand AeroGal will primarily be going after the Ecuadorian market, but their website is archaic...for starters, find someone who is fluent in english. Also, if you select their GYE-MIA service, you'll find under "flight duration" a time of 3:30. The return flight takes 5:30...dang, them's some headwinds!

Quoting Atnight (Reply 46):
Anyways, wish them luck!

They're going to need it...
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:35 am

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 48):
Quoting Atnight (Reply 46):
Anyways, wish them luck!

They're going to need it...

MIA-GYE is very underserved with only one daily AA flight. They'll do fine, especially since all they have to do is fill a 734 and they are already well established in Ecuador. How poor the English is on an airline's website, or how poorly the website is, doesn't really matter hear. Avior, Santa Barabara, and AeroSur have been doing fine at MIA, and their websites are just as bad, and riddled in just as many errors.

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