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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 3:58 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 49):
MIA-GYE is very underserved with only one daily AA flight.

Only one daily nonstop flight...LAN Ecuador flies one-stop via UIO...Avianca via BOG...Copa via PTY (although their southbound connection sux...)

Furthermore, what's the daily origin and destination for the GYE - MIA market...it seems AeroGal is relying strictly on that. And one daily flight may suffice...which would explain why there is only one daily nonstop flight.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 49):
How poor the English is on an airline's website, or how poorly the website is, doesn't really matter hear. Avior, Santa Barabara, and AeroSur have been doing fine at MIA, and their websites are just as bad, and riddled in just as many errors.

Does that excuse it? If an airline doesn't come across as professional on their website, how many passengers may think twice about getting on one of their aircraft?
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:36 am

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 50):

Does that excuse it? If an airline doesn't come across as professional on their website, how many passengers may think twice about getting on one of their aircraft?

That's why the streets of downtown Miami, Miami's Little Haiti neighbourhood, ethnic neighbourhoods in Fort Lauderdale, and Latin American city centres are littered with city ticketing office, a thing of the past in the United States, but still everywhere in Miami.

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 50):
And one daily flight may suffice...which would explain why there is only one daily nonstop flight.

American Airlines has tried multiple times to increase Miami-Ecuador service, but the a strict US-Ecuador air treaty does not allow them. The air treaty not only restricts total flights, but it also restricts how many flights can operate to Miami in order to protect Ecuadorian airlines. AA can't add service, and, until a few months ago, Ecuadorian airlines were banned from the United States. AA would love to run 2x daily MIA-GYE. They can't.
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 51):
That's why the streets of downtown Miami, Miami's Little Haiti neighbourhood, ethnic neighbourhoods in Fort Lauderdale, and Latin American city centres are littered with city ticketing office, a thing of the past in the United States, but still everywhere in Miami.

This still doesn't excuse the fact that their website is a joke...and poor translation is just symptomatic of other problems (including the 2 hour block time difference in GYE-MIA service to the MIA-GYE service).

Everything you use to defend AeroGal points to their going after the O&D market only (and probably only Ecuadorian originating), which, in my opinion, limits their potential and makes their success in the market even more difficult.

Listen, I don't know much about AeroGal other than what I read in (Airliners?) magazine recently. They seem like a pretty decent little family run operation...flying (old) 727s and 737s around Ecuador. And I'm always game for a new airline in Miami.

I stand by my original statement...good luck to them, they're going to need it.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 51):
The air treaty not only restricts total flights, but it also restricts how many flights can operate to Miami in order to protect Ecuadorian airlines. AA can't add service,

You learn something new every day...thanks!
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:20 am

Interesting, i saw the same link yesterday.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 47):
The tail is already blue and the fuselage boring white, all they have to paint is the titles now..  

Where is this plane right now? In MIA? Is it registered N reg or HC? Interesting. If you can share a pic, that would be great!! I wish they would of applied the new livery they had in mind, but aparently they wanna keep the line with the old 737's and 727.

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 48):
I understand AeroGal will primarily be going after the Ecuadorian market, but their website is archaic...for starters, find someone who is fluent in english. Also, if you select their GYE-MIA service, you'll find under "flight duration" a time of 3:30. The return flight takes 5:30...dang, them's some headwinds!

That is probably true, their english is not very good, and well, they do need something other than BABLEFISH translator to do the translation for their web page, but never the less, they have english in their website. Some other airlines even dont. Ill mention this about improving the english, to the President of the airline.

About the 3:30 minute and 5:30 minute flight diference ill also mention it to them!! BIG MISTAKE there. NEver the less I was told that they put that duration maybe cause the flight stops at UIO and there are no conecting flights, but still, big booboo.

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 48):
They're going to need it...

Nice, nice to hear these sarcastic comments. I mean, nice comments and nice hopes or sarcastic hopes for the NON U.S airline. Too bad we dont have the same potencial and economical situation that other countries or airlines do! I really hope they do well! Who knows.

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 52):
Listen, I don't know much about AeroGal other than what I read in (Airliners?) magazine recently. They seem like a pretty decent little family run operation...flying (old) 727s and 737s around Ecuador. And I'm always game for a new airline in Miami.

Yes, thats the article which I wrote on Airliners magazine. We got to know more about the airline, which is 4 years old just about and has the biggest fleet in Ecuador and two itnernational routes and soon 3! Its flying DESCENT 727 and 732's. Too bad Aerogal isnt run by the government, so they can get brand new 66 million dollar EMB's and A320's. Gee that would make a difference for the "crappy englished web sited airline with old planes and which needs nothing but hope for a route like miami"  Wink ha!!!!!! Its impresive, this airline has got about 45% of the market, in Galapagos, Guayaquil, Cuenca, and Manta, and well, flies to BOG with decent ocupation, and Medellin I dont know how good they are doing, I have never asked aobut that route, but its got a 150% yearly growth. Enough


Any way, I heard that there were some problems with the second plane. Ill try to find out tomorrow about this and ill inform those who are interested


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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:02 am

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 52):
I stand by my original statement...good luck to them, they're going to need it.

The nice thing about USA-Latin America is that fares and cargo yields are so high, that you don't need a high break-even load factor. Break-even load factors, depending on the airline, can be as low as 50%.
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:35 pm

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 53):
Too bad Aerogal isnt run by the government, so they can get brand new 66 million dollar EMB's and A320's. Gee that would make a difference

But...

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 51):
The air treaty not only restricts total flights, but it also restricts how many flights can operate to Miami in order to protect Ecuadorian airlines.

So, even though AeroGal isn't run by the government, they stand to benefit from the restrictive policies of the government...hmm...

Don't get me wrong. I hope AeroGal is successful...I'm rooting for the little guy. With time, and additional financing, hopefully they will be able to update their fleet. My belief is that entering the long(er) range markets poses substantial risk to them. But by doing so, they need to make themselves as attractive to as wide an audience as possible (and english-speaking tourists to Ecuador and the Galapagos may be their bread and butter).

A second-rate website and old aircraft aren't going to do that.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:33 pm

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 55):
A second-rate website and old aircraft aren't going to do that.

If it put them at a competitive disadvantage, I would agree with you.

However, it doesn't. Their aircraft is no more "second rate" than AA's A300s used on MIA-GYE, and, in fact, it will be configured in a low-density configuration with more space in coach.

And as I've said, a second rate website doesn't matter. Latin's don't buy tickets online as heavily as Americans. They buy them in person. It's a cultural thing, which is why few Latin airlines invest heavily in their website.
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:16 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 49):
MIA-GYE is very underserved with only one daily AA flight.

Surprised to hear that. There certainly should be more.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 49):
How poor the English is on an airline's website, or how poorly the website is, doesn't really matter

I doubt that many in Ecuador would book their travel thru the internet, or even be aware that Aerogal has a website.

I believe they are going after the right market.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 5:26 pm

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 55):
But by doing so, they need to make themselves as attractive to as wide an audience as possible (and english-speaking tourists to Ecuador and the Galapagos may be their bread and butter).

I have to agree.... eventhough the potential to do just fine serving the Ecuadorian community either going to MIA or coming back is one thing...

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 56):
And as I've said, a second rate website doesn't matter. Latin's don't buy tickets online as heavily as Americans. They buy them in person. It's a cultural thing, which is why few Latin airlines invest heavily in their website

but trying to defend (as MAH4546 is unsuccessfully pursuing) that Aerogal does not need to be appealing to the American tourist market is just WRONG.

We are talking about a young airline that needs to grow and if they fly to Galapagos means they want the tourist market, why not also try to be appealing to them in the US- Ecuador flight? I am sorry MAH4546, but your argument is weak, I am Ecuadorian and wish Aerogal the best.... but trying to justify the fact that they have a lousy website saying that they don´t need the American tourist market is outrageous, that kind of farsightedness is one of the things that has made other Ecuadorian airlines to fail, we need to be competitive for crying outloud.... and not expending $200 on a decent translator means Aerogal doesn´t want a $ 20 Million market?

One more thing MAH4546, you are plain wrong, take a look at Lan´s website, or Taca, Gol or Avianca... just to name a few, and then think if they invest in websites... Big grin
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:37 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 57):
Surprised to hear that. There certainly should be more.

Blame the strict Ecuador-USA air treaty. It is so strict that Northwest Airlines was denied a codeshare on Continetnal's Ecuador flights.

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 57):
I doubt that many in Ecuador would book their travel thru the internet, or even be aware that Aerogal has a website.

Exactly.

Quoting FAEDC3 (Reply 58):
One more thing MAH4546, you are plain wrong, take a look at Lan�s website, or Taca, Gol or Avianca... just to name a few, and then think if they invest in websites...

I'm not wrong. I can't be wrong about an opinion, just like your opinion is not wrong, either.

Look at the poorly designed websites of Varig, Avior, Santa Barbara, Aeropostal, Aerosur. You just happen to name Latin America's four "powerhouse" airlines.

Quoting FAEDC3 (Reply 58):
We are talking about a young airline that needs to grow and if they fly to Galapagos means they want the tourist market,

What tourist market? It is small. And, as it has been stated, Aero Galapagos' Miami flight is not timed to connect to any of their island flights.

And most USA-Ecuador tourism travel goes through packages and tour agents, who will not be using Aero Galapagos' website to book a flight.

I'm not saying AeroGal will necessarily find instant success in Miami, but I am saying that how bad their website is if of virtually no relevance.

More important than a website is that Aero Galapagos sets up a ticket office in downtown Miami, along with all the other Latin airlines, because that's how Latin travelers by tickets, in cash, in person. Instead of investing on an English translator, they should invest in renting some retail space in downtown Miami.
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:03 pm

Quoting FAEDC3 (Reply 58):
but trying to defend (as MAH4546 is unsuccessfully pursuing) that Aerogal does not need to be appealing to the American tourist market is just WRONG.

There are very few tourists going to GYE, and not that many are going to the Galapagos (any of the airports). GYE is like the Newark of Ecuador--it's not a tourist town by any means and its connectivity to the domestic Ecuadorean network is very limited with the exception of the Galapagos. Just about all domestic flights are funneled through UIO.
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:05 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 59):
More important than a website is that Aero Galapagos sets up a ticket office in downtown Miami, along with all the other Latin airlines, because that's how Latin travelers by tickets, in cash, in person.

That reminds me of my meanderings through downtown Miami many moons ago and stumbled upon AeroTal of Colombia, using 707's or 720's to MDE, I believe!

Very unique markets from there. !!!

And I also remember Ecuatoriana being quite liberal with their interline pass agreements and I could spank myself for not taking advantage!
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:25 pm

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 55):
With time, and additional financing, hopefully they will be able to update their fleet

Can someone explain to me what's the big difference from a pax point of view between a 737-200/300/400), 727 etc and A320/757? Other than the possible IFE some of the newer narrobodies may have (which shouldn't be such a big deal on a relatively short flight) I don't see what's the big difference.

Back in the 1990s there were a ton of airlines flying older aircraft from MIA to Latin America that were doing just fine, even when others already had the A320s, 757s and such.

Glad this restriction against AA is in effect. If it wasnt' for that, there woudl be little competition, and smaller airlines like Aerogal wouldn't stand a chance. I'm personally tired of seeing American and other majors like LAN and TACA monopolize the region.

During the 80s all the way into the mid-90s Miami used to have a ton of airlines, the most out of any airport in the americas. Many of them were small and eventually stopped coming or ceased to exist in part thanks to American being allowed to start so many routes to Latin America.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 7:47 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 59):
Look at the poorly designed websites of Varig, Avior, Santa Barbara, Aeropostal, Aerosur. You just happen to name Latin America's four "powerhouse" airlines.

There is a whole philosophy around benchmarking... If you were Aerogal, you would want to compare yourself with the medium pack, or at least would you like to look like the big ones?

One more thing, I did go thru a couple of websites you suggested, NONE has typos, mistranslations, or factual mistakes. Even Santa Barbara is simple, but well written.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 59):
And most USA-Ecuador tourism travel goes through packages and tour agents, who will not be using Aero Galapagos' website to book a flight.

So you are saying, that if I am a foreign tourist travelling to Ecuador in a group that happen to fly Aerogal because the operator structured the tour like that, and if I want to take a look at what company I am flying with, it is irrelevant that I have the information wrong? please be serious now...

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 59):
More important than a website is that Aero Galapagos sets up a ticket office in downtown Miami, along with all the other Latin airlines, because that's how Latin travelers by tickets, in cash, in person. Instead of investing on an English translator, they should invest in renting some retail space in downtown Miami.

Maybe you are right about the way Latins buy their tickets, I disagree, but that is your opinion, I respect it.

But then, why spend all the money in that downtown office and not spend ALSO $200 dollars on a translator!! it will be worth it, believe me!!

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 59):
I'm not saying AeroGal will necessarily find instant success in Miami, but I am saying that how bad their website is if of virtually no relevance.

I certainly hope they have all the success!! and also really hope that the website thing is just something that slipped their minds while growing so much.

I believe as the vast majority of business people, that the larger the customer base, the better. The larger the Potential customer base even better yet. Why would anybody negate this and narrow the possible universe of people interested in doing business, hence potential customer base?

I just think that it really says a lot from a company if they are careless on minimum details on corporate life.... It is my opinion, mediocrity is something that I cannot stand. At the end, if they are not interested on the english speaking market, then wipe out the english from the website completely... Have you ever seen anything miswritten in your language by somebody who speaks other language? it makes you laugh... looks bad, and shows lack of attention to detail, something that I certainly look on an airline.

Sorry but I have to go, I gotta run down to the ticket office to pay for a ticket, I´m leaving on a business trip tomorrow...  Wink
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:25 pm

Quoting FAEDC3 (Reply 63):
Maybe you are right about the way Latins buy their tickets, I disagree, but that is your opinion, I respect it.

He's right though. I've seen offices with logos of Avianca and other airlines in many places around Miami. Not just in Miami either, I remember a VASP office in Orlando when they used to fly to MCO.

I do agree it looks bad to have a website with poor english and major errors like flight time. A decent website will serve AeroGal well considering many English-speaking tourists will likely fly on the airline to get to the Galapagos..

Somewhere in little Havana, I think in Flager st. there used to be a Lacsa A320 (in the nice old colors) hand painted in a wall on the side of a business. Great advertisement if you ask me.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:27 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 64):

Somewhere in little Havana, I think in Flager st. there used to be a Lacsa A320 (in the nice old colors) hand painted in a wall on the side of a business. Great advertisement if you ask me.

In Little Haiti, the American Airlines ticket office still has a huge scale model of an MD-11 in the lobby, visible to anyone driving by. It's been there for years. And just last year, Spirit opened a ticket a office across the street from them. I'm sure AA was happy with that.
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:33 pm

By where exactly?

Remember that building that used to have large LAB/Ecuatoriana logos near Le Jeune on NW 7th street?
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:54 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 60):
GYE is like the Newark of Ecuador

BS!  grumpy 

Talk about my hometown like that again and I will  box 

GYE is far better than Quito, with plenty of things to see and do. It is comparable to SFO as to the cultural aspect of the people that live there. The current political party has vastly improved the city.

And for fun, you could take the coastal highway and visit all sorts of different and beautiful beaches. The Santa Elena peninsula is very interesting, as the cold Humboldt current passes just South of it. Essentially that coastal area is very pleasant weather. Warm enough to swim in, and cool enough at night to sometimes need a sweater.

Quoting FAEDC3 (Reply 63):

What are the current travel restrictions to the Galapagos? My understanding is that they only accept a certain number of tourists per year, and a vacation there is not cheap.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:57 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 66):
By where exactly?

81st & NE 2nd.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 66):

Remember that building that used to have large LAB/Ecuatoriana logos near Le Jeune on NW 7th street?

No, but I do remember in general ticket offices used to be a lot more grand. Big murals or big model aircraft in the lobbies. A lot more boring today, and often hidden inside the lobbies of office buildings downtown or in Coral Gables, like BA's CTO in downtown, or AA's downtown CTO, which is hidden behind the American Airlines Arena.
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:02 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 64):
He's right though. I've seen offices with logos of Avianca and other airlines in many places around Miami. Not just in Miami either, I remember a VASP office in Orlando when they used to fly to MCO.

Don´t get me wrong, I am not denying the existence of ticket offices, neither I am accepting that many customers buy their tickets, plan their travel thru these offices. I am saying that just because it is important to have a ticket office, it is not important to keep a decent website... and ever worst not to correct one with typos and full of errors...

My point is that is a minimal investment (the translator) that has no excuse to be passed out, and there is no chance to dismiss this fact saying that the website is not important, because basically nobody sees it...
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 9:05 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 67):
Talk about my hometown like that again and I will

Newark has nice things too! Like an IKEA. But seriously, there are practically zero tourists going to GYE.
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:18 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 70):
Newark has nice things too! Like an IKEA. But seriously, there are practically zero tourists going to GYE.

Oh god..... there it comes!!  scared 
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:23 pm

Quoting FAEDC3 (Reply 71):
Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 70):
Newark has nice things too! Like an IKEA. But seriously, there are practically zero tourists going to GYE.

Oh god..... there it comes!!

Maldito serrano!!! Curses upon you people!!!

GYE has been shortchanged for many years. I last had a chance to visit it 2002, and the city was way nicer than before. Went to Quito, and I still don't like the city, perhaps because so many 'serranos' living there ruins the place.

Guayaquil is by THE commercial center in Ecuador, plus we are bigger and much more interesting.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 72):
GYE has been shortchanged for many years. I last had a chance to visit it 2002, and the city was way nicer than before. Went to Quito, and I still don't like the city, perhaps because so many 'serranos' living there ruins the place.

Guayaquil is by THE commercial center in Ecuador, plus we are bigger and much more interesting.

Doesn't change the fact that tourism between Ecuador and the United States is near non-existent. It is an "off the beaten path" destination, and not very popular at all.
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 73):
It is an "off the beaten path" destination, and not very popular at all.

We like to keep the riff-raff away from Ecuador... duck 

Ecuador is popular to those who have already visited.

The variety of environment you could see is amazing.

The flight from GYE to UIO is about 40 minutes. You go from sea level to 9000 ft high. From tropical savannah to eternal spring. Nothing more exciting than having to skirt around mountains that are obviously higher than the airplane on the approach to several cities. The Pichincha volcano that you see on the pictures of Quito's airport is 6000 ft higher than the valley. And all those valleys create their own micro-climates.

And the coast is even better. You could have a calm beach on one side, and 10 minutes away a beach where surfing competitions are held.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:50 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 72):
Maldito serrano!!! Curses upon you people!!!

Why do you take it on me??? I just said that I knew oyu were going to be mad, because you said "next time" to MaverickM11.... I haven't said anything to you and calling names is just unacceptable...

As you can see in my posts I have not mentioned anythig about GYE or UIO.... WTF is wrong with you dude??
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:55 pm

Quoting FAEDC3 (Reply 75):
WTF is wrong with you dude??

I apologize, it wasn't directed at you and was all in jest.

But you know well about the rivalry between the coast and the mountains.
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:09 pm

Never mind, we better leave it as it is.
Apologize accepted...  Smile
 
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 72):
Guayaquil is by THE commercial center in Ecuador

I don't doubt that...

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 72):
Went to Quito, and I still don't like the city

I've heard the precise opposite from Quitenos Smile. I had been told be several Ecuadoreans, including one from GYE, that GYE was worth skipping, but I went and I thought it was actually very nice.
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RE: Aerogal To Begin Daily Flights To Miami, 04Dec07

Thu Nov 01, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 56):
However, it doesn't. Their aircraft is no more "second rate" than AA's A300s used on MIA-GYE, and, in fact, it will be configured in a low-density configuration with more space in coach.

Thats true, those a300 arent so tight up as other AA planes. And well, 734 is a great advance for Ecaudorian Aviation, really! As I said before TOO bad we cant afford 787's for every airline, nor a big a$$ new plane, or 66 million dollar brand new planes.

Quoting FAEDC3 (Reply 58):
am Ecuadorian and wish Aerogal the best.... but trying to justify the fact that they have a lousy website saying that they don´t need the American tourist market is outrageous, that kind of farsightedness is one of the things that has made other Ecuadorian airlines to fail

Thats the spirit! Wish them the best! Lets hope they do fine, i bet tthey will! And yup, they do need to improve their website, thats all! Its good for the viewers and people. That is true, it improves their image.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 59):
What tourist market? It is small. And, as it has been stated, Aero Galapagos' Miami flight is not timed to connect to any of their island flights.

Well, all the flights to Galapagos leave early morning at 8:00 -10:00. Thats because the cruises in GPS are leaving early and they cant leave at night, so all flights leave early in the morning. I doubt that Aerogal would like to make a Flight at night which stays in MIA overnight and leaves at 4am so you can make a conecting flight to GPS that same day! I think the strategy is to make passengers stay overnight and then next morning leave! Its a good way so people can see the city and see if they like it or not.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 62):
Back in the 1990s there were a ton of airlines flying older aircraft from MIA to Latin America that were doing just fine, even when others already had the A320s, 757s and such.

Exactly! Thats so true. So now becuase Aerogal flys an "OLD" 737-400 aircraft, damn, that means theyre a crappy airline which wont do good. Mhm yes yes yes

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 67):
GYE is far better than Quito, with plenty of things to see and do.

Hmm, with out the "regionalismo" I do think GYE is cooler, nicer, better organization, more things to do, better traffic for spotting, excelent airport, excelent bus temrinal, nice chicks and more! Ahh I love it, and its very nice, way better than Quito for night life depending what your looking for, and better than Quito when it comes to Urban progress. Quito just keep deteriorating. (What else can you expect with PACO MONCAYO)

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 70):
Newark has nice things too! Like an IKEA. But seriously, there are practically zero tourists going to GYE.

Its true, most toursits go to UIO, being the capital, but yeah, GYE has nice things to see and I go there many many times (Going there tomorrow) and you do see tourists there, but yeah, it doe shave tourisits of course not as much.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 73):
Doesn't change the fact that tourism between Ecuador and the United States is near non-existent. It is an "off the beaten path" destination, and not very popular at all.

Hmmm, for the size of this country, tourism is really good, and gradually improving. Lots to see, and many tourists come here. Most for the galapagos but still, each year you see more tourism. "Off-beaten" destination". HA, there loads to see in Ecuador and I repeat, lots of tourism. I cant say much about all there is to see in your country, defenitly lots of snow and yeah.. snow. Beleive me, ive been in Sweeden, and thats, a destiantion i dont find so much interest in... seriously. Capital is great, but other than that...  Smile . Come down to ecuador some time, and then tell us about it. Its a great country with loads to see.

Quoting FAEDC3 (Reply 75):
As you can see in my posts I have not mentioned anythig about GYE or UIO.... WTF is wrong with you dude??

Please chillax, "no se puteen" hahaha, lets get back to the subject, Aerogal!



Any way. Aerogal wi Will keep you psotedll do great, with or with out you guys's suupport (I mean from those who could care less about aerogal)
 
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Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 79):
"Off-beaten" destination". HA, there loads to see in Ecuador and I repeat, lots of tourism. I cant say much about all there is to see in your country, defenitly lots of snow and yeah.. snow. Beleive me, ive been in Sweeden, and thats, a destiantion i dont find so much interest in... seriously. Capital is great, but other than that... Smile . Come down to ecuador some time, and then tell us about it. Its a great country with loads to see.

I've been to Ecuador. Nice place.

That doesn't change the fact that it is not a popular tourist destination with Americans (it isn't, at all), and that it is an "off the beaten path" (which is just saying "non-traditional") vacation destination.
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Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 79):
Hmm, with out the "regionalismo" I do think GYE is cooler, nicer, better organization, more things to do, better traffic for spotting

Aren't there more photos from UIO than from GYE on this site? I also thought the more interesting traffic went to UIO.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 80):
That doesn't change the fact that it is not a popular tourist destination with Americans (it isn't, at all), and that it is an "off the beaten path" (which is just saying "non-traditional") vacation destination.

Actually that would be a good thing, it's a more exotic destination. Ecuador I'm guessing is more popular with ecotourism, and that draws more Europeans. Most Americans go to Mexico, it's next door and they can get drunk all they want without showing ID.
 
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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 81):
Aren't there more photos from UIO than from GYE on this site? I also thought the more interesting traffic went to UIO.

Yes.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 81):
Ecuador I'm guessing is more popular with ecotourism, and that draws more Europeans

Sure you can do ecotourism, but to tell you the truth, GYE can be quite a wild town. On our last day of school when I was in 5th grade, several students from different ages were drinking vodka and OJ in the back of a truck, myself included.

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 79):
Aerogal wi Will keep you psotedll do great, with or with out you guys's suupport (I mean from those who could care less about aerogal)

I care that all Ecuadorian aviation does well. Now if we could only get direct LAX flights, I'll be really happy.
 
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Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:55 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 82):
Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 81):
Ecuador I'm guessing is more popular with ecotourism, and that draws more Europeans

Sure you can do ecotourism, but to tell you the truth, GYE can be quite a wild town. On our last day of school when I was in 5th grade, several students from different ages were drinking vodka and OJ in the back of a truck, myself included.

Nobody is arguing that it's not a "wild town" (although I'm sure you can drunk 5th graders in any American city of over 1,000), and GYE probably has a better nightlife than most American cities just based on Latin America's late night culture.

Nonetheless, the fact is that American don't visit GYE to see the nightlife, they go largely for ecotourism. To Americans, destinations like Guayaquil, Manaus, and Iquitos are eco-tourism destinations.
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Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:19 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 82):
GYE can be quite a wild town. On our last day of school when I was in 5th grade, several students from different ages were drinking vodka and OJ in the back of a truck, myself included.

You Rebel...  Wink

Seriously, from what I hear Guayaquil is like a smaller version of Miami, the beach is nearby, plenty of parties, clubbing, etc. I know this guy who goes with his family almost every year and wants me to go with him, he says Guayaquil is a lot of fun. I almost went to visit this girl whom I met here years ago when she was single. She got divorced and had 2 kids so I didn't take her up on the offer to go and stay with her.. I hear the chicas from GYE can be medio "interesadas"  Wink
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:30 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 81):
Aren't there more photos from UIO than from GYE on this site? I also thought the more interesting traffic went to UIO.

Ummm, ture, but specially in this site there are not as much pics at all from ecaudor as in JP and PP. Never the less, thats because me, being the main spotter in Ecuador, I live in Quito! therefore i think thats speaks for its self. I go to GYE very often but I dont have as much pics of GYE because of that.

Traffic? GYE has more itneresting traffic than UIO in many ways. First off, every heavy that goes to UIO goes through GYE to get more loads and fuel. Second, many business jets, or ferry flights or important unexpected flights go to YGE which is easier, and boy, it is a great airport and a great city! Unlike UIO......

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 82):
GYE can be quite a wild town

hehehe, tell me abou tit, I jsut got back from GYE yesterday night, and it was crazy! Eventhough all the people were out of town for the holiday. I went there to fly since Icaro took the Cessnas down there, but at night hehehe, hehehe.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 84):
You Rebel...  

Seriously, from what I hear Guayaquil is like a smaller version of Miami, the beach is nearby, plenty of parties, clubbing, etc. I know this guy who goes with his family almost every year and wants me to go with him, he says Guayaquil is a lot of fun. I almost went to visit this girl whom I met here years ago when she was single. She got divorced and had 2 kids so I didn't take her up on the offer to go and stay with her.. I hear the chicas from GYE can be medio "interesadas"

Thats true!!! Nice to hear that, unlinke anything MAH4546 has to say about GYE. Its crazy!!! And depends the time of year it gets crazierrr!

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Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:09 pm

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 85):
Thats true!!! Nice to hear that, unlinke anything MAH4546 has to say about GYE.

Are you kidding me? Stop putting words in my mouth. The only thing I ever said about Guayaquil, a very nice city that I have visited before, is that it is not a tourist destination. I have never said anything else. And saying it is not a tourist town isn't a bad thing.
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:12 am

Actually I was talking to two people from Ecuador today and they told me there's a bunch of Americans, (I guess they meant tourists) down there in Guayaquil and many tourists nowadays since the city is been very well kept.

Neither has been there in a while so I don't know but it wouldn't surprise me if GYE's visitor numbers were going up.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:31 am

There are two times of the year were the whole town goes nuts.

For New Year's, the parties are meant to literally go all night long. Plus, you have the 'old year' mannequins (from simple to really complicated) that get burned at the end of the year.

But the topper is carnival, where for three days or so anyone on the street is fair game for a good water (or other liquids) soaking. We lived in a 3rd floor apartment in the middle of downtown, and it was great fun to have buckets of water and balloons to throw down at whatever hapless citizen was walking underneath.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 86):
The only thing I ever said about Guayaquil, a very nice city that I have visited before, is that it is not a tourist destination

Hopefully word of mouth will change that. You really have no idea how greatly improved the city has really become.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 88):
Hopefully word of mouth will change that. You really have no idea how greatly improved the city has really become.

Well, according to the UN, Guayaquil is currently undergoing the largest and fastest urban renewal.

To my knowledge, it's been looking pretty good lately:










Bonus: new airport too



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Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:47 am

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 88):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 86):
The only thing I ever said about Guayaquil, a very nice city that I have visited before, is that it is not a tourist destination

Hopefully word of mouth will change that. You really have no idea how greatly improved the city has really become.

Americans are too accustomed to all-inclusive beach resorts for that to change, unfortunately. Becoming a tourist town isn't necessarily a good thing. It has screwed up a lot of beautiful Caribbean islands, made Orlando a strip mall wasteland, made Miami Beach overpriced, and eliminated the charm of many Greek islands, among other things. Guayaquil should be proud not to be a tourist town.
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 90):
Americans are too accustomed to all-inclusive beach resorts for that to change, unfortunately

Perhaps they may be saved because Guayaquil in not a beach town. The beaches are a few hours away. Hence the coastal towns are accustomed to getting the city people to come at certain times. Salinas is already more of a beach town, the other town are smaller and not quite designed to handle tourism. There are other areas where the wealthier keep their beach villages.

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 89):
To my knowledge, it's been looking pretty good lately:

The Malecon is great. Thanks for the pics!

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 90):
Becoming a tourist town isn't necessarily a good thing.

Agreed, but it would be an improvement over what Guayaquil used to be.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 90):
Guayaquil should be proud not to be a tourist town.

I certainly hope that the variety of the coastal area remains. There are so many different towns and villages to keep one interested for a week. And the best thing is that they are all literally within minutes of each other.
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 6:10 am

That IMAX looks like as were somewhere near Coconut Grove in Miami, and the city seems to have a Caribbean flavor with houses painted in different colors. Very nice...

Hopefully Correa doesn't decide to go all out communist and screw things up Chavez-style.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 90):
made Orlando a strip mall wasteland

If you can define "strip mall wasteland"..? Far from it actually. If that's your opinion I"m not trying to change it since you will hate Orlando no matter what for some reason lol but you can't really evaluate a place, if you've never lived there.

The only thing that has set back Orlando, was the stupid 2am curfew clueless city officals imposed around 2000 which killed the growing underground, rave, international/euro and DJ party scene that now is drawing crowds in the tens of thousands in Miami/South.Beach for festivals like Ultra, Winter music conference, etc... During the late 90's Miami was still caught in the "hip hop" wave and low class ghetto feel. At that time this european-flavored atmosphere that was getting so popular in Orlando was only a hit on a few scarce places in South Beach. Except for the latin-flavored stuff, the "strip mall orlando wasteland" had a much better party scene at the time believe it or not than "party city" Miami.

There's a lot to do and probably a larger quantity of fun and hang out places in Orlando for younger people than in Miami (besides the big-name theme parks). Out of town people and tourists rarely experience the melting pot and big city that Orlando has become because the parks are far away in nowhereland closer to Kissimmee. When they get off in MCO which is located in the very south of the city in a country area, the expressway and roads to the parks takes them even further away from the city so they must think Orlando is just woods and the parks lol. The same thing happens when many Americans hear of Ecuador. The image that comes to mind to them is indians and volcanoes and that's it, or maybe a galapagos iguana.


Now back on topic, keep us updated on the status of the Aerogal 737. I remember some years back there was an airline -I forget the name- that was going to start FLL flights and I actually went to see the inaugural flight but the plane never showed up. Rather strange.. Not suggesting this is gonna happen with Aerogal though lol
 
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Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:53 pm

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 89):
Well, according to the UN, Guayaquil is currently undergoing the largest and fastest urban renewal.

Correa will put a stop to that  Silly
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Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:28 pm

Okkkkk, Getting back to the original subject. I think that there might be some trouble regarding the planes due to arrive. Some people have said, or I have heard form a few people that Aerogal wont recieve the 734's by Dec 7th, therefore the route cant be done with those planes. The solution is not to postpone the inagural flight. The solution is to change the airplane for the first few days on the Miami Route!!!..... 722 they say, tech stop in panama and then directo to MIAMI! damn......... welll, lets see if its true.

Ive emailed the president asking her very discretly how things are going, lets se what she has to say!

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Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:23 pm

What is the reputation among Ecuadorians about Aerogal? Is Aerogal a well regarded and used airline?
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:04 pm

Quoting AndesSMF (Reply 95):

General reputation amoung Ecuadorians is good. A fast growing airline, good service, usually ontime, lots of planes, good marketting strategies, some interesting offers, international routes, good schedules. Amoung those who know, very bad Maintainance, other than that, Aerogal has got good reputation.
 
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Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:12 pm

I know this is a little bit off topic but let's get one thing straight here:
I lived in El Oro and was very frequently in Guaya...Guayaquil is not a place you wanna be with your children in order to relax. It's a big, dirty typical costal Latin American town. You either love it or hate it...The shown photos above are the touristic places - and they aren't THAT nice...las Peñas is afwully artifical as is the whole Malecón...and in general you can say that Guaya is not that safe.
I can only recommand Guayaquil if your speak Spanish and are not afraid of loud and noisy places. I definitly prefere Quito to Guaya....
 
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:51 am

Quoting Adicool (Reply 97):

You make it sound like SFO...Thank you!!!
 
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:47 am

Quoting Airportmanager (Reply 96):
General reputation amoung Ecuadorians is good. A fast growing airline, good service, usually ontime, lots of planes, good marketting strategies, some interesting offers, international routes, good schedules. Amoung those who know, very bad Maintainance, other than that, Aerogal has got good reputation.

Very bad maintenance, yet it has good reputation? Is it just me or that's kind of a contradiction? LOL If this is a good airline I woudln't want to know what the maintenance would be like on the ones with a bad reputation there..

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