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Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:00 pm

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/071019/20071019005748.html?.v=1


WN?
B6?
INTL?

id love to see it be WN I cant even imagine the size and scale of the NW overreaction to competition.....

[Edited 2007-10-19 14:01:59]

[Edited 2007-10-19 14:03:04]
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:03 pm

On Monday, October 22, representatives from the Metropolitan Airports Commission will participate in a news conference to announce a new international route serving Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.

Probably not WN or B6. Maybe it's about LHR or CDG.
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:06 pm

duh... totallt missed the word "international"...i was hoping we'd get to see some fur go flying... ohh well

probablt LHR or CDG... AF maybe?
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:11 pm

Good news for MSP. af773msp will crap his/her pants.

Let the speculation start. I have my money on MSP-CDG with AF or NW. This would make the most sense.

Wasnt NW supposed to announce some new routes in addition to PDX-AMS? Maybe this will be one of them.
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:12 pm

I am going out on a limb and guess they are going to announce a new international route as stated in your attached article....."announce a new international route serving Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport".  Smile
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:14 pm

I bet it's CDG. It seems like it will be AF - but I will hold out that NW will fly the route. Isn't the Sofitel a French hotel??  Wink
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:22 pm

Air France MSP-CDG service in codesharing operation with NWA.
Just my 2 cents

[Edited 2007-10-19 14:26:58]
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:37 pm

Hmmm at a French hotel...AF?
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:38 pm

Or could this maybe be an announcement of NW shifting MSP-LGW to LHR?
 
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RE:

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:46 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 8):
Or could this maybe be an announcement of NW shifting MSP-LGW to LHR?

Bingo. While I would not entirely rule out an announcement of MSP-CDG, it is most likely just an announcement that NW's London service is switching to Heathrow.

[Edited 2007-10-19 14:49:02]
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:47 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
af773msp will crap his/her pants

I think he will be excited if it is NW serving CDG. But, if they announce that AF will be starting service using a 777-300ER, he will need a diaper.

I am excited that MSP is getting more international service. I hope this international service is not to Canada or Mexico. I personally would perfer to see AF serve MSP as it would add color to the tarmac. But it will be NW. In my wildest dreams, KE would announce service from ICN to MSP using a 777-200ER. (now I shall return to reality)
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:56 pm

Quoting Cdgdtw (Reply 5):
Isn't the Sofitel a French hotel?

Yes...

AF 332 MSP CDG
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:09 pm

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 8):
Or could this maybe be an announcement of NW shifting MSP-LGW to LHR?

that would be totally lame...I am betting AF or NW to CDG......Does AF work as closely with NW as they do with DL?
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:12 pm

LHR is not really a ground shaking announcement. The only thing really deserving fanfare would be MSP-CDG. With all its new A330s, NW can likely serve it (no matter what people say). AF isn't out of the question either, but I expect it would be NW. NW's loyalists in the Midwest would be quicker to book NW than AF, while AF's loyalists probably do not give a sh*t about MSP, no offense.
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:43 pm

New service. Damn I was thinking more service to Winnipeg :p
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:24 am

 Wow!  hyper   spit  Woo hoo! I've waited for this moment a long time. I'm betting its either:
MSP-CDG by AF or NW using the A330 (A343 and A332 if AF starts this route)
MSP-FRA by LH using the A343 and A333
MSP-Shanghai by NW using the 788
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:28 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 15):
MSP-FRA by LH using the A343 and A333

I would put good money on this one! Big grin

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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:32 am

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 15):
MSP-FRA by LH using the A343 and A333

Not a chance.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 15):
MSP-Shanghai by NW using the 788

Too early.

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 15):
MSP-CDG by AF or NW using the A330 (A343 and A332 if AF starts this route)

Possible, but not as likely as NW to LHR in my opinion.
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:57 am

When NW announces a new MSP-Canada route there is never a big announcement from the MAC so its definately not a Canadian route. I've seen NW and SY announce new routes to Mexico but no big announcement (but if its AM starting MSP-MEX maybe there might be a big announcement since AM would be new to MSP). NW switching from LGW to LHR isn't very exciting or big news. It is probably new transatlantic or transpacific service.
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:10 am

My guess is AF service to CDG. Excellent opportunity to connect two SkyScream hubs...
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:31 am

Its that NW is finally going to retire the DC-9.  Wink Sorry, somebody had to say it, given that NW's corporate headquarters in is Minneapolis/St. Paul.
Seriously, my first bet is on MSP-CDG on AF w/ a NW/KL codeshare, operated by an A330-200; you also can't rule out the A34-300. Or it could be NW, but I'm thinking AF. My second bet is that MSP-LGW on NW will be transferred over to Heathrow.
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 1:41 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 17):
Possible, but not as likely as NW to LHR in my opinion.

This is an awfully small announcement, I doubt that the MAC would hold a press conference for this... remember, this is a MAC event. It must mean a new city gets service... i'll bet it's CDG. While I would like to see AF operate this... so we have widebody service by a foreign carrier (A332 or better yet A343), I'm thinking it's most likely it'll be a NW flight. NW said 3 new transatlantic flights. They are opening PDX-AMS, they've got to be starting up another route... while I'd like to see an AF 332 or 343, I'll take another NW A333.
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:27 am

It was mentioned in another thread that NW hacked the 2nd daily to FRA next summer. That equipment could be used for something like MSP-LHR.
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
I have my money on MSP-CDG with AF or NW.

I agree. I think it would most likely be w/ AF, considering that they don't have service at MSP yet. But, it's not my decision.

[Edited 2007-10-19 19:43:59]

[Edited 2007-10-19 19:44:39]
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 2:50 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 22):
That equipment could be used for something like MSP-LHR.

I see international expansion out of DTW.

I think its a visit of the A380. Or, AF coming here coneecting the two scare team hubs.
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:13 am

Its officially NW MSP-CDG

http://www.startribune.com/535/story/1496646.html

Northwest Airlines intends to begin nonstop, daily service between the Twin Cities and Paris.
The Eagan-based carrier is expected to formally announce the new service Monday during a news conference at the Hotel Sofitel in Bloomington, according to a source with knowledge of the plan.

The carrier will use a new Airbus A330 to fly the Paris route.

In a May interview, Northwest CEO Doug Steenland said, "There is a substantial possibility that we would be able to justify a Minneapolis-Paris nonstop route."
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:14 am

I really hope it's CDG. When I flew from Minneapolis to Paris and back this summer, I remember it being rather annoying that there was not a non-stop flight. MSP-CDG-MSP would be so much simpler than MSP-DTW-EWR-CDG-PHL-MSP! I also really hope its AF as our only non-North American carrier right now is Icelandair. Who has more long-haul planes to spare of AF or NW?

Edit: I see it's NW. I'd rather it be AF but beggers can't be choosers! Will AF codeshare? KLM obviously will.

[Edited 2007-10-19 20:26:00]

[Edited 2007-10-19 20:26:18]
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:23 am

Quoting MSP" class=quote target=_blank>USFlyer MSP (Reply 25):
Its officially NW MSP-CDG

Congrats to NW and especially MSP for this new service/route. Personally, I think this was overdue; they should do very well with this, given their loyalty in Minneapolis/St. Paul, their wonderful transatlantic product on the A330, and the numerous connection opportunities offered at either end. This is a boon for MSP; NW finally decided to give MSP some attention rather than their beloved DTW.
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 27):
This is a boon for MSP; NW finally decided to give MSP some attention rather than their beloved DTW.

No kidding! Let's focus on the city that is actually thriving economically, not the other one. Anyway I wish it was an AF flight instead but beggers can't be choosers. Will AF codeshare? Obviously KLM will.
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 3:43 am

Quoting MSP" class=quote target=_blank>USFlyer MSP (Reply 25):

Awesome! Could there be a possible codeshare with AF on the MSP-CDG route?
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:14 am

Considering the press conference is an NW conference, its going to be MSP-CDG, along with other international routes announced.
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:45 am

I think it had to be CDG. The way AF and KLM are splitting up European flights their US partners need to offer service from all their hubs to both principal AF/KLM hubs.

I have been looking to book my daughter to Sofia Bulgaria from MSP in February. Right now if I want to keep her in the NWA family she would have to fly MSP-AMS then backtrack a flight to CDG before continuing to SOF and have a very long day. The alternative is an overnight stay in AMS!

A much faster routing involves a UA Express E-170 flight from MSP to ORD then to MUC using the United/Lufthansa family.

If a MSP CDG flight has a decent arrival time it opens up a whole bunch more quick connections to other European cities
Any idea on the proposed schedule?.

The Sofitel Hotel is part of the Accor group which is a long standing leading French hospitality chain. Besides the premium Sofitel and Novotel brands they also own the Motel 6 chain so they cover all the bases. Sofitel hotels are great. Actually they are a fantastic restaurant that happens to have a hotel attached!
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting Coronado (Reply 31):
all their hubs to both principal AF/KLM hubs

What about MEM? They have a AMS-MEM, but not a CDG-MEM
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:05 am

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 32):
What about MEM? They have a AMS-MEM, but not a CDG-MEM

Dont hold your breath! MEM barely supports MEM-AMS.
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:06 am

Good to hear. Wish this route had been in place a decade ago. Then I wouldn't have had to have a 3 hour layover at DTW (in 1996). While waiting I walked the entire DTW airport and while on a moving sidewalk banged my head into a pole and knocked myself out. Damn you old DTW.

So this is route number two of three. That is an A333 and an A332 being used. One more left. A330? 757? From where to where?

New Asia route using an A330?
New non-HUB using 757?
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:32 am

Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 30):
Considering the press conference is an NW conference, its going to be MSP-CDG, along with other international routes announced.

What makes you think other routes will be announced?
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:45 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 35):
What makes you think other routes will be announced?

Just yesterday Neal Cohen, Northwest's executive vice president for strategy and international, said they are planning an aggressive expansion of its international route system with a focus on Detroit.
Maybe we can also expect something new out of DTW announced on monday, my guesses are MAN, DUB with 757s.
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:51 am

A "birdie" did mention DUB as a possibility. MAN wasn't one listed. But I do remember OSL being one. If what I was told was correct the 757's would all originate in DTW. Distance wise DTW to parts of Europe on the 757 is good. As long as you don't try and push it with FRA where you might need to ask people to use the bathroom before getting on the plane  Smile . But do you want to use valuable international arrivals gates on something as small as a 757?
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:15 pm

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 33):
Dont hold your breath! MEM barely supports MEM-AMS.

Service started in 1995 (via KLM). Safe to say it is probably is doing fine.
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 12:59 pm

Now I have a question about this with route, with AF/KL almost acting as one carrier (pending open skies), and NW/KL acting as one carrier across the Atlantic, you think there's any chance that we'll see KL metal on this route?
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:23 pm

Quoting NYC2theworld (Reply 39):

Probably won't be KL planes at MSP. Doesn't AF sometimes bring an A332 or A343 to DTW codesharing with NW? AF planes at MSP could happen with a NW codeshare.
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:28 pm

Quoting Af773atmsp (Reply 40):
Doesn't AF sometimes bring an A332 or A343 to DTW codesharing with NW?

AF has a daily A332 DTW-CDG.
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 6:46 pm

Quoting USFlyer MSP (Reply 33):
Dont hold your breath! MEM barely supports MEM-AMS.

Id like to see where you came up with that. This route has been going strong from over 10 years now, either on KLM, or NW. I'm pretty sure its here to stay, and is a good money maker for NW/KLM.

When you can get concrete info, let us know.
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 7:56 pm

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 42):
I'm pretty sure its here to stay, and is a good money maker for NW/KLM.

It could be what is called a "loss leader." I find it hard to believe a route can be all that profitable when it is made up of mainly feed. While the flight itself may not be a cash cow it may improve the overall perceived value of the MEM operation. Having that flight also gives NW a pretty big bargaining chip.
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:23 pm

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 3):
af773msp will crap his/her pants.

so much for me giving him a straight jacket
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:04 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 43):
It could be what is called a "loss leader." I find it hard to believe a route can be all that profitable when it is made up of mainly feed. While the flight itself may not be a cash cow it may improve the overall perceived value of the MEM operation. Having that flight also gives NW a pretty big bargaining chip.

While you bring up a good point, would NW really deploy a 332 on the route if it didnt make them a profit? What differance does it make if a route is made mostly of feed? O/D doesnt make up all the numbers.
 
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:10 pm

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 45):
O/D doesnt make up all the numbers.

Well in the grand scheme of things, and with all due respect, that's where the majority of their "yield" for a flight like that comes from.
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:12 pm

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 45):
would NW really deploy a 332 on the route if it didnt make them a profit?

Yes. Airlines run some routes as loss-leaders.
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:30 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 47):
Yes. Airlines run some routes as loss-leaders.

More specifically, airlines will run a route unprofitably if it in turn helps another route become more profitable. If the total profits on the dependent profitable route are higher than the losses on the other route, then it makes sense to run an unprofitable route.
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RE: Major MSP Announcement Monday

Sat Oct 20, 2007 10:34 pm

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 45):
What differance does it make if a route is made mostly of feed? O/D doesnt make up all the numbers.

Feed costs more. One passenger takes up seats in 2 flights. Their luggage has to be handled twice. Take JAX to AMS for example. If you transport the passenger nonstop the airline has to provide fuel for 4450 miles. If you connect that passenger in MEM you now have to transport that very same passenger 5119 miles. The cost in terms of fuel for that passenger is 15% higher.
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