flavio340
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Is B6 Done With JFK?

Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:44 pm

Simple question with all of B6 recent route announcements only SXM is out of JFK everything else is out of Florida or west coast. Just curious from any insiders if they have any new on any new routes out of JFK? If the FAA's departure cap proposal comes to fruition, I would think B6 would want to have as many slots as possible?
 
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Mon Oct 22, 2007 11:49 pm

I think JFK has hurt B6 as much as it has helped. With delays at all time highs and the gov't trying to step in, everyone will be trying to leave the busy airports on their own terms.

If you were asked to leave, would you want to leave on your own or have some one "escort" you out?
 
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 12:22 am

POP was announced along with SXM, but with the size of the operation B6 is running in the small facility it has, I think it's a smart move to hold off on any major additions until the new terminal opens.
Gate space is already as bad as it can get (we've had red-eyes arriving at the remote parking area to deplane if the a/c is not turning out because it can't waste a gate). It's just further evident each day how it's operating beyond what it should in the small space it has, so any new cities with multiple frequencies would just make things worse. The SXM/POP flights are leaving in the 0900 hour, which isn't the best time but it's only the 1x daily. I would hope if there were new destinations, they utilize the 1100-1300 time block, since that seems to be the emptiest all around, both at B6 and on the taxiways.
 
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:52 pm

I don't think that B6 is done with JFK, but the intentions on connecting the dots has been made quite clear. In 7 years B6 opened over 50 cities, with only 4 (currently) not being served by JFK (HPN, SWF, LGA and EWR). While new cities will still be announced, I think the major drive should be to connect these 50 cities and develop a stronger network.
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 3:58 pm

Could the aircraft actually make it to SXM from JFK or BOS without a significant cap on it? I think that's part of the reason...
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:06 pm

On the subject of B6, They will be adding an extra flight between BOS-DEN to accomodate for the world series. They are charing $399 for every seat, the highest they cgarge for last minute tickets. I assume UA is going to see their flights be overbooked as a result of Boston fans invading Denver for the series.
 
flavio340
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:18 pm

Quoting B752OS (Reply 5):
On the subject of B6, They will be adding an extra flight between BOS-DEN to accomodate for the world series. They are charing $399 for every seat, the highest they cgarge for last minute tickets. I assume UA is going to see their flights be overbooked as a result of Boston fans invading Denver for the series.

Really what is the time of the extra flights?
 
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:23 pm

Given they are dropping BNA and CMH in January, it would seem they are "right-sizing" their JFK ops. There is going to be some type of slot capacity at JFK eventually, be it agreed upon by airlines or FAA mandated. Once maxxed out at JFK, B6 would do well to work on some P2P routes and beef up some of it's focus cities. They don't "have" to fly through JFK to be profitable.
 
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:32 pm

Quoting Mtb555 (Reply 2):
POP was announced along with SXM, but with the size of the operation B6 is running in the small facility it has, I think it's a smart move to hold off on any major additions until the new terminal opens.

Ya I was gonna say that it will get a lot better once the new terminal opens. Then they will actually have room to operate and breathe.
 
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 4:58 pm

Quoting Mtb555 (Reply 2):
The SXM/POP flights are leaving in the 0900 hour, which isn't the best time but it's only the 1x daily. I would hope if there were new destinations, they utilize the 1100-1300 time block, since that seems to be the emptiest all around, both at B6 and on the taxiways.

Would'nt the POP flight be better served as a red-eye basically using an aircraft that would other wise seat doing nothing in JFK. A schedule that looks like:

ETD JFK 2300 (or midnight)
ETA POP 0430-0530 ish

then return

ETD POP 0530-0630 ish
ETA KJFK 1030-1130 ish

So that it can give some good early connections for passegers from POP? Just speculation!!! Let me know what you think?

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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:49 pm

Quoting Crogalski (Reply 4):
Could the aircraft actually make it to SXM from JFK or BOS without a significant cap on it? I think that's part of the reason...

B6 flies direct JFK to AUA w/o a cap, isn't SXM a shorter flight? It looks like it should be...
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:14 pm

Quoting Charlipr (Reply 9):
Would'nt the POP flight be better served as a red-eye basically using an aircraft that would other wise seat doing nothing in JFK. A schedule that looks like:

No. POP is a lesiure market, not a VFR market.
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:28 pm

Is B6 going to keep the old facility as well or are they getting rid of it? B6 appears to only get slammed with delays during the evening rush hour on intl departures across the atlantic or is that changing with AA and DL upgrading at JFK?
 
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
Quoting Charlipr (Reply 9):
Would'nt the POP flight be better served as a red-eye basically using an aircraft that would other wise seat doing nothing in JFK. A schedule that looks like:

No. POP is a lesiure market, not a VFR market.

True, STI and SDQ do well in morning and red-eye service, but I think POP would be more for leisure. Evening service wouldn't be bad seasonally, as CUN is serviced during Spring break with a 2000 departure from JFK.

Quoting Ordagent (Reply 12):
Is B6 going to keep the old facility as well or are they getting rid of it? B6 appears to only get slammed with delays during the evening rush hour on intl departures across the atlantic or is that changing with AA and DL upgrading at JFK?

This is something I hear around town differently every time I ask. Heard yes, no, it's gonna be rebuilt. The most consistent story which I think is true is that once Terminal 5 opens and the trailer park is removed allowing all gates to be operational, that 6 will close for about a year for major overhauling. I'm curious as to what 6 will be if and when it reopens, should jetBlue run out of both. Could 6 be all Florida cities or all cities out of the continent, like the Carribean and PR?
 
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:23 am

Quoting Mtb555 (Reply 13):
Evening service wouldn't be bad seasonally, as CUN is serviced during Spring break with a 2000 departure from JFK.

I think jetBlue has enough worries trying to figure out how to fill one plane to a market that is dominated by European and Canadian vacation packages.
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RE: Is B6 Done With JFK?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:20 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):
I think jetBlue has enough worries trying to figure out how to fill one plane to a market that is dominated by European and Canadian vacation packages.

Especially the latter. POP is very Canadian heavy during the winter. Since Americans don't vacation (or "Holiday" as Canadians like to term it) as long as Canadians do, (typically 6-9 days for U.S. visitors vs. 14-17 days for Canadian), deals from resort operators aren't as easy to negotiate.
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