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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 5:55 pm

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 19):
US is most likely going to pick up PHX-FRA with the A333's coming online from the new order.

US has A330-200s on order, no further A333s.

There is no way an A330-300 of any variant could fly PHX-FRA.

Quoting GlobeEx (Reply 21):
Could the A333 actually do that trip with a good payload, looking at the hot weather in PHX?

No. Not at all.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 26):
PHX-FRA is on the edge for the A330 for sure in hot conditions.

Its even a little on the edge of the range of the A330-200 on PHX-FRA, but should be ok. FRA-PHX would be no problem.

[quote=itsnotfinals,reply=26]I have a few HP pilot buddies that say that FRA is possible if not with the A330 then possibly with A340's US Might pick up as rumored.

They'd have to cancel it for a few months after PHL-PEK starts since they will have a lapse in A340 coverage.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
I think you mean A332s, though are those aircraft still on order or what?

Duh. Where you been, foo? They were reconfirmed.

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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:12 pm

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 24):
I've heard that CPH-SEA is SK's most profitable route so I doubt they will end it now

No, it's not. In fact, in 2005, it was their biggest money losing trans-Atlantic route.
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:13 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
They are flying to THE three major airports in the PNW

Well, I didn't want to offend the folks near GEG and BOI...not that they have any serious int'l service.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 6:29 pm

Quoting PavlovsDog (Reply 13):
statistics on foreign-languages spoken in the Seattle area. German came out on top!

not to anyone´s surprise: Mr
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:26 pm

Quoting 717-200 (Reply 44):
Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 30):
I'll wait for the offical LH press release.

Me too, I have not heard anything about these new routings! YYC is imaginable, but at this point I don't see a MUC/FRA-SEA flight. With an airline still waiting for the delayed 380's they have a limit in expanding. There are still some longhaul planes on order, an LH will expand. But if all the rumours are true, then they are really short of aircraft.
I recall rumours about :

LPB, BOG, GIG, YYC, SEA, LIM, PHX and I'm sure there are more.

This is simply not feasible untill the first 380's enter service.
With the current winter schedule coming up, I have seen again more intercontinental flights with AB6.
New flights to KHI and LHE are served with AB6, aswell as running dest. like KRT ( now 330 ) will be served with AB6 the upcoming season.
And LH also knows that the AB6 is just not the ideal aircraft to use on longhaul.

But we are all armchair CEO's and we just have to wait how things develop. Maybe some routings will be shut down, and we do not even know that yet.

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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:28 pm

So where is the official announcement? I'm not seeing it anywhere, but on airliners.net.....................
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:36 pm

Quoting Bagoldex (Reply 28):
Something about the phrase: "the most reliable source you can imagine" just doesn't do it for me especially from someone who seems to have no logical association with the airline in question.



Quoting Thenoflyzone (Reply 30):
I'll wait for the offical LH press release.



Quoting DALCE (Reply 54):
Me too, I have not heard anything about these new routings!



Quoting LHPDX (Reply 55):
So where is the official announcement? I'm not seeing it anywhere, but on airliners.net.....................

The original poster, unlike many others in here, has in the past shown himself to be a very reliable source when it comes to Lufthansa network development.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:39 pm

With this new flight to SEA negatively affect Lufthansa present flights to YVR and PDX?
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:43 pm

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 57):
With this new flight to SEA negatively affect Lufthansa present flights to YVR and PDX?

I really don't think so. PDX and SEA basically have their own catchment areas and SEA doesn't really feed much into LH's PDX flight. I think that any effect would be minimal. That is if the SEA flight is actually going to happen  Wink.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:46 pm

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 55):
So where is the official announcement? I'm not seeing it anywhere, but on airliners.net.....................

That's because you don't have access to LHs intranet....  Wink
But it's all true, times.... types.....frequencies.....dest....
Just wait a few days if you really need the media announcement....
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:46 pm

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 57):
With this new flight to SEA negatively affect Lufthansa present flights to YVR and PDX?

I don't think it will at all. SEA, PDX, and YVR are all very distinct markets with their own draw. SEA already had plenty of options to FRA (via an east coast or European hub), and I would assume that connecting pax from SEA would be a very small portion of the overall flight. The most negatively affected flight, if LH does in fact begin SEA, is SEA-CPH on SK, and to a lesser extent BA to LHR. SK because of the Star Alliance pax, and BA because of the India connections.

PDX will do fine with or without LH service to SEA. NW adding PDX-AMS is just another sign that PDX is perfectly capable of supporting European service. Of course, if LH did begin to cutback, it would be NW to blame rather than anything to do with SEA. Same dilemma that I have with SEA - on one hand I want it to grow internationally, but at the same time, I don't want all the new competition to wreak havok on existing carriers.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:50 pm

After reading this thread, I have a suggestion that we try to refer to the 330-300 and the 330-200 or 333 and 332. Just calling it a 330 leads to too much confusion as to range, payload, passenger etc.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:52 pm

Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 24):
I've heard that CPH-SEA is SK's most profitable route so I doubt they will end it now

Wrong, that's CPH-NRT

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 20):
I wonder why LH will use the A330-300 on the FRA-SEA route, unless they're higher MTOW versions that includes more fuel capacity. Given Lufthansa's 30-plane A340-300 fleet wouldn't using the A343 be a better choice?

I might be wrong, but I doubt LH will use 333 on FRA-SEA as the load penalties will most likely be significant.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:53 pm

BTW MUC-JFK-MUC is back to a333 from a346 for the winter.

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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:29 pm

Quoting EDDB (Reply 59):
That's because you don't have access to LHs intranet....
But it's all true, times.... types.....frequencies.....dest....
Just wait a few days if you really need the media announcement....

I have heard from a source that the YYC service would see an announcement before the 29th of this month. So this seems to be falling in line with that quite nicely.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:35 pm

Quoting Qantas744ER (Reply 63):
BTW MUC-JFK-MUC is back to a333 from a346 for the winter.

Leo

But MUC-EWR is now a A330 instead of the BBJ. So a lot of new capacity to New York, specially in Economy Class.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:56 pm

Just checked with my contacts at Port of Seattle and the word is that LH has shown interest but there is nothing definite at this time. So, let's wait for a press release from either LH or the POS. Can't speak for YYC though.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:57 pm

So what does the LH service to YYC mean for AC daily AC844/AC845 flights? Will AC withdraw service and codeshare,or will there be double daily service? It was speculated earlier that AC may decide to start YEG-FRA next year,any thoughts on this happening?
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:11 am

Since AC and LH have a joint venture on all flights between Germany and Canada, you would think that they would opt for YEG and dominate the market. They will just further alienate YEG customers by forcing them to fly south to YYC....
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:23 am

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 68):
Since AC and LH have a joint venture on all flights between Germany and Canada, you would think that they would opt for YEG and dominate the market. They will just further alienate YEG customers by forcing them to fly south to YYC....

What if it is just too good to pass up on doing a second flight to FRA from YYC? This seems to be indicating that this is the case.

I'm sure in the near future YEG will see some more international service, but I think unfortunately for Edmonton YYC comes to mind first when dealing with the larger airlines.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:15 am

I know the loads on YYC-FRA on AC have been really really good.

Just had a friend fly in on LHR-YYC this afternoon and he said almost every middle seat was full. Not sure if it's just a bad day or whatnot on that route.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:59 am

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 68):
Since AC and LH have a joint venture on all flights between Germany and Canada, you would think that they would opt for YEG and dominate the market. They will just further alienate YEG customers by forcing them to fly south to YYC....

They have a joint venture but it doesn't mean they have a veto over each other's route selection. This is what LH wanted. Period. They know how certain flight times will connect on their network, and if they think this later flight time (than the existing flight) connects better to some markets, then it makes a lot of sense for them to go after this business.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:48 am

Quoting DALCE (Reply 54):
recall rumours about :
LPB, BOG, GIG, YYC, SEA, LIM, PHX and I'm sure there are more

SAN can be added to your list of rumors.

Quoting LHPDX (Reply 57):
With this new flight to SEA negatively affect Lufthansa present flights to YVR and PDX?



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 60):
SEA, PDX, and YVR are all very distinct markets with their own draw.

IF there is in fact any truth to this "announcement" of SEA service and IF PDX-FRA continues (which I would expect), I find myself even more optimistic about the chances of SAN-FRA finding its way onto the LH flight schedule in the future. LH serving PDX, SEA and YVR would have parallels to them also serving the "Big 3" in California: SFO, LAX and SAN. Perhaps SAN would even move ahead of PHX in the competition for the next LH station in the western region of the US.

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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:05 pm

Quoting Sebring (Reply 71):
They have a joint venture but it doesn't mean they have a veto over each other's route selection

Agreed. But traditionally under Star Alliance agreements, AC & LH have divvied up Canada with the exception of YYZ, as traffic levels can sustain both carriers.

YVR - FRA (LH)
YYC - FRA (AC)
YYZ - FRA (AC/LH)
YUL - FRA (AC)
YUL - MUC (LH)
YYZ - DUS (LH - pending)

Agree with Yegbey01 - thought given the boom and need for increased air access, YEG-FRA would have been LH's logical choice.
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:52 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 73):
AC & LH have divvied up Canada with the exception of YYZ, as traffic levels can sustain both carriers.

Well then I would guess that they've decided YYC can sustain both carriers. It would seem to indicate that wouldn't it?

My source also mentioned that this route was initially going to be an A340 only 5x weekly. Now switched to the 333 daily, seems a pretty good indication of what they think this route can handle.

All of this asides, I would have liked to have seen us getting service to MUC. Just for the sake of having a new destination from YYC, but that is just home town wishing I guess!  Smile
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 2:05 pm

Can anyone provisionally outline LH's long-haul plans for MUC next summer?

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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:20 pm

Quoting SANFan (Reply 72):
LH serving PDX, SEA and YVR would have parallels to them also serving the "Big 3" in California: SFO, LAX and SAN.

Would the relatively short length of the runway at SAN have any negative impact on that decision?
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:27 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 51):
No, it's not. In fact, in 2005, it was their biggest money losing trans-Atlantic route.

Yeah, that was for 2years ago, now days it is maybe better.
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:40 pm

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 76):
Would the relatively short length of the runway at SAN have any negative impact on that decision?

during hot summer days absolutely YES!
I heard that the 343 need more runway during take-off than a 380
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:53 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 78):
I heard that the 343 need more runway during take-off than a 380

I always thought the problem with the 340's hairdryers - oops , I mean 'engines' - was climb performance once airborne rather than actual take off roll ?
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:55 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 79):
hairdryers

hahahah Big grin that is a good one!!! Big grin
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:57 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 46):
It isn't THAT quick. They should be able to turn it in 90 minutes.

Actually, 90 mins is fairly tight for an A330. Doable, absolutely but it leaves very little room for error. If the plane comes in more than 15 minutes late, it'll most likely leave a few minutes late. It depends on how many security hoops the airlines have to jump through in Canada compared to the US.

But, this has yet to be announced so it's all hypothetical Big grin

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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:03 pm

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 80):
Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 79):
hairdryers

hahahah that is a good one!!!

as much as I would love to take the credit for it the A342 and A343 engines have been referred to as 'hairdryers' for a long time - I am only copying someone else's clever comment ( as usual )
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:07 pm

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 82):

as much as I would love to take the credit for it the A342 and A343 engines have been referred to as 'hairdryers' for a long time - I am only copying someone else's clever comment ( as usual )

anyway I love it!! Big grin
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:05 pm

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 73):
Agreed. But traditionally under Star Alliance agreements, AC & LH have divvied up Canada with the exception of YYZ, as traffic levels can sustain both carriers.

YVR - FRA (LH)
YYC - FRA (AC)
YYZ - FRA (AC/LH)
YUL - FRA (AC)
YUL - MUC (LH)
YYZ - DUS (LH - pending)

You are right and you can add the two flights to Zurich to it (as Swiss is a LH subsidiary):
YYZ-ZRH (AC)
YUL-ZRH (LX)
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 10:06 pm

Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 84):
Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 73):
Agreed. But traditionally under Star Alliance agreements, AC & LH have divvied up Canada with the exception of YYZ, as traffic levels can sustain both carriers.

YVR - FRA (LH)
YYC - FRA (AC)
YYZ - FRA (AC/LH)
YUL - FRA (AC)
YUL - MUC (LH)
YYZ - DUS (LH - pending)



Quoting ZRH" class=quote target=_blank>ZRH (Reply 84):
You are right and you can add the two flights to Zurich to it (as Swiss is a LH subsidiary):
YYZ-ZRH (AC)
YUL-ZRH (LX)

Dont forget YYZ-MUC (AC)
us Air Traffic Controllers have a good record, we haven't left one up there yet !!
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:13 pm

Really surprised to see this, I wasn't expecting to see LH come to SEA for quite awhile. Nevertheless, great news! The prospects of a cheaper fare to Europe for me next summer are looking good.

Also, that "Lufthansa" sign above the departures curb at SEA will finally be warranted. It's been there for years!

[Edited 2007-10-24 16:16:29]
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:47 pm

Still waiting for the actual proof till I believe a word that is said......
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:52 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 86):
Also, that "Lufthansa" sign above the departures curb at SEA will finally be warranted. It's been there for years!

They seriously have this sign up there!?!??!?!?!?! Hahaha were they getting hopeful back when PDX and SEA were fighting over LH???
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:02 am

After years of flying to Vancouver Lufthansa finally crosses the border to Washington state.

Does anyone know when LH first began service to YVR?
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Thu Oct 25, 2007 5:44 am

Quoting 28L28L (Reply 89):
After years of flying to Vancouver Lufthansa finally crosses the border to Washington state.

Does anyone know when LH first began service to YVR?

I believe it was 1985
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 86):
Also, that "Lufthansa" sign above the departures curb at SEA will finally be warranted. It's been there for years!

could you take or show a picture of that sign? it is very interesting since LH doesn't serve SEA for years!  Smile
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:41 am

Quoting Bolu340 (Thread starter):
SEA from March 30th daily A333 departing FRA 1005

Grrrr.... Spring Break too early.  Wink

If this proves to be true, it will be the end of a very successful campaign to bring more European flights to SEA. Not much else to wish for - pretty much any other Europe route (MAD, MXP, FCO, DUB) would bleed money. Hopefully SEA can get lucky with new Asia service to HKG or China, but I'm not holding my breath.

In the past year or so there has been a huge increases in SEA-Europe nonstops. BA added frequencies to LHR and AF opened service to CDG. Adding FRA on LH would be huge for all of the UA elites in SEA (quite a few of them!) - a friend of mine once had to fly SEA-LAX-IAD-FRA and MUC-CPH-SEA to redeem UA miles for a European trip. I can't imagine that being the case anymore.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:51 am

Quoting PDXBJV (Reply 88):
They seriously have this sign up there!?!??!?!?!?! Hahaha were they getting hopeful back when PDX and SEA were fighting over LH???

If my memory serves me correctly, the sign was there well before the PDX/SEA competition for LH service. It's on the same sign board as the United/United Express signs at departure, which would suggest that it's there for codeshare purposes although I'm somewhat certain that its presence predates the founding of Star Alliance and aside from the Northwest/KLM sign, it's the only one that names an airline that doesn't fly to SEA with its own metal.

Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 91):
could you take or show a picture of that sign? it is very interesting since LH doesn't serve SEA for years!

I've been meaning to go down to SEA for some spotting, so I could probably swing through departures and do that. I may well be working there soon also.

Quoting ThreeIfByAir (Reply 92):
If this proves to be true, it will be the end of a very successful campaign to bring more European flights to SEA. Not much else to wish for - pretty much any other Europe route (MAD, MXP, FCO, DUB) would bleed money. Hopefully SEA can get lucky with new Asia service to HKG or China, but I'm not holding my breath.

This flight would indeed make the SEA-Europe market interesting. I'm sure LH can make the route work, but it may be at the expense of other services (particularly BA's recent added capacity or possibly the long-standing SK CPH-SEA route which gets mixed assessments on this site). We'll see what happens. I find it interesting that both SEA (assuming the FRA-SEA route is announced) and PDX (with the recently announced AMS-PDX on NW) are having the robustness of their European markets tested in the coming months...neither new service was foreseen.

Quoting ThreeIfByAir (Reply 92):
Hopefully SEA can get lucky with new Asia service to HKG or China, but I'm not holding my breath.

HU is looking to start PEK-SEA next summer (June 8 is the date I've seen) and FM is gunning for PVG-SEA in Su09.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...nology/2003818013_webhainan02.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...1082&sid=ayKziNsynIMw&refer=canada

[Edited 2007-10-25 00:52:40]
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting DYK (Reply 90):
Does anyone know when LH first began service to YVR?

I believe it was 1985

Ironically, considering the subject of this thread, when LH first began service to YVR using the DC-10-30 they stopped in YYC. The YYC service didn't last long, a couple or years or so if memory correct.
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:48 am

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 93):
HU is looking to start PEK-SEA next summer (June 8 is the date I've seen) and FM is gunning for PVG-SEA in Su09.

Hmmm... MU, as I recall, used to serve both cities from SEA in the 90's. Would be if a direct SEA-China service started again. Would be even nicer if we could get JL back, or possibly CX or even SQ (Yes I know I'm dreaming...).

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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:12 am

If FRA-SEA on LH turns out to be true, it looks like

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 93):
possibly the long-standing SK CPH-SEA route which gets mixed assessments on this site). We'll see what happens

Makes me wonder if a decision by SK to cut CPH-SEA has already been made.  scratchchin 

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 93):
find it interesting that both SEA (assuming the FRA-SEA route is announced) and PDX (with the recently announced AMS-PDX on NW) are having the robustness of their European markets tested in the coming months...neither new service was foreseen.

If the FRA-SEA goes into effect, then it seems like they took a page from NW's playbook, i.e. having the same routes from two cities close together. To me, it's a regional monopoly that helps build brand loyalty. NW secures the AS/QX customer base, and LH locks up the *A folks in the PDX/SEA/YVR area. UA no doubt gets a big piece of the revenue sharing pie by putting their customers on LH metal. That way, UA could then reroute aircraft that would otherwise transport them to ORD, etc. And if one flight is full, then it's very easy to run them up or down to the other city, and even by bus if needed.

I think both LH and NW are very smart companies that know what they're doing in this Northwestern US air market. Good marketing research analysis and implementation, that's for sure. I think PDX can handle both flights to Europe, especially with the cargo traffic, and I don't think LH will cannibalize one route (PDX) by adding another (SEA).
 
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:47 am

Quoting N174UA (Reply 96):
If the FRA-SEA goes into effect, then it seems like they took a page from NW's playbook, i.e. having the same routes from two cities close together.

A bit similar to CO flying to FRA and CGN (about an hour apart by train)... or, using the Seattle-Portland train ride as a measure, a bit like CO flying to FRA and CGN as well as HAM, about 3 1/2 hours north by train...  Wink
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:59 am

Quoting N174UA (Reply 96):
Makes me wonder if a decision by SK to cut CPH-SEA has already been made.

Think it would be better if SK cut this service and instead they can open a new route.
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RE: LH To Calgary And Seattle

Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:43 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 98):
Think it would be better if SK cut this service and instead they can open a new route.

If it's been a steady money-loser, then they should consider it. However, it would be a shame given that the route has been operated for decades, and it would be yet another sign of Seattle losing its historic ties to Scandanavia.

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