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Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:04 am

Anyone have any guesses what new city or cities that Airtran might announce in the near future? They are supposed to announce one or two new cities by year end. San Juan is one that I keep hearing about.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:07 am

I sure wish AirTran would start ATL-OKC service. They go to ICT. Does something seem wrong with that picture.
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:32 pm

I do believe you are going to see MKE-SLC announced very soon
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:35 pm

I hope that with the new DAY-LAS route going daily, and the reduced airport fees here, they see more opportunities to the west coast or other destinations out of DAY.
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 3:47 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if we had some route announcements fall around the earnings call next week. I flew MCO-ATL-DEN last week and both segments were 100% full. I was really impressed with the number of people awaiting flights in MCO. The new concourse was packed and very busy with 5 or 6 jets parked at the same time. The DEN frequencys are down to 3 dailys. The station seems kind of underused when most other FL stations have more than one destination. Perhaps MKE-DEN might be in order?
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:16 pm

DEN must be a very tough market. WIth FL, WN and UA/Ted there are lots of cheap coach seats chasing pax.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:18 pm

Alot of the F9 and UA seats are filled up by connections. Some routes are cheap and some are not. I will say that even though WN has added 50+ flights to the market in the last year, most flights are still very full on all carriers.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting Spencerii (Reply 2):
I do believe you are going to see MKE-SLC announced very soon

hmmm...why SLC?????

I think they should be less shy about taking on WN given's WN rising labor costs....maybe SDF, BNA.....GRR would be nice too with flights to ATL, MCO, FLL
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:43 pm

As i have said countless times......AUS anyone!!!  Big grin
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:46 pm

Quoting Spencerii (Reply 2):
I do believe you are going to see MKE-SLC announced very soon

I guess this is going to be one of the many new routes that FL is going to be adding from MKE once they move to Concourse C. I remember a while ago there was a rumor that YX was going to start SLC with CRJs but that hasn't happened (not yet anyways). Anyone know if DL is doing good on their MKE-SLC?
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:57 pm

Quoting Spencerii (Reply 2):
I do believe you are going to see MKE-SLC announced very soon

According to fare measure, only 77 passengers a day o/d. Wouldn't this be kind of slim for a new route? BOS and DFW to MKE have over 400 passengers daily.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:17 pm

Quoting Austinairport (Reply 9):
As i have said countless times......AUS anyone!!!

Except AUS already has a pretty good LCC prescence.... B9, WN, Sun Country, etc.
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:46 pm

I wonder if we might see a few more STL routes?
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:56 pm

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 13):
I wonder if we might see a few more STL routes?

That's the only reason I can think of that they'd be using B rather than D. For just one gate, it makes no sense.
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:57 pm

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 11):
According to fare measure, only 77 passengers a day o/d. Wouldn't this be kind of slim for a new route? BOS and DFW to MKE have over 400 passengers daily.

FL knows that they need to get some longer routes out of their 37's, and they also know that they need a larger
presence of feed in the west, and need to become much less reliant on ATL to feed. I do beleive you will see them run a SLC-MKE-ATL routing, subtly entering the ATL market from SLC with thru plane service, and building it to where a SLC ATL routing will be of great benefit to them. If they just run a SLC-ATL market, DL will flood the market. Lower thru fares from a hub where an established carrier is present usually always do exceptional in price comparison, because most legacy hub carriers are less reactive to thru plane services.

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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 5:59 pm

I continue to have my money on XNA. They are trying to get an LCC there and only FL or F9 makes any sense. Far too small for WN and definitely not on B6's radar right now I'd think.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:17 pm

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 16):
I continue to have my money on XNA. They are trying to get an LCC there and only FL or F9 makes any sense. Far too small for WN and definitely not on B6's radar right now I'd think.

Im gonna have to go ahead and disagree with you on that......XNA is not what LCC's generally look for...the ability of an LCC to stimulate traffic is nil in XNA, given its remote location and proximity to TUL, which already has an LCC....if the XNA airport is looking for an LCC they are mismanaging the airport...XNA is a business airport, they need to develop more business related markets, say SFO, for Asia connections etc......a LCC might have the effect of driving existing carriers away and will make it harder to attract quality legacy carrier new service, especially with RJs.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:18 pm

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 16):
I continue to have my money on XNA

That's a great idea. Lots of business travelers come to see the Waltons.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:25 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 17):

Well I would say that FL could make a living there, even if there is not significant market stimulation to be had. Wal-Mart, which is the chief economic engine around XNA, deals with a lot of small businesses who don't necessarily have large FF accounts and the ability to pay jacked-up ticket prices. e.g. Just for the sake of an anecdote, a friend of mine's father does import-export on toys from China. He's essentially a one man op, and he goes to Bentonville often to see Wal-Mart. He'd be on FL everytime if they flew there.

XNA is not necessarily much unlike some of FL's other markets that are small without significant stimulation possibilities. Of course, you could also be right and that might explain why FL has not opened it already. I don't presume to be able to speak for certain on the market demographics on XNA, just that I believe there is a possibility for FL to make a good buck on the flight given the steady business traffic. Of course, we know they have their issues with maintaining business traffic, so who knows.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:32 pm

How about Atlantic City, ACY?
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:37 pm

As I've said many times before, FWA could be on the horizon for AirTran. FWA wants to announce another new airline by years end, and they're not interested at all in Cape Air service to IND, so could AirTran be it?

Remember, of the top five cities in terms of votes in FL's poll last year (PHX, STL, CHS, PWM, and FWA), only FWA has still not received service from FL. Although FL serves IND, they are more interested than ever in adding FWA as well (partially due to G4's stunning success at FWA). I read on the Philadelphia Inquirer website that FWA was at the Boyd Group Aviation Forecast Conference last week in SRQ, and (of course) AirTran was there. Could a deal be in the works?

Anyway, I could see AirTran doing 2-3x daily to ATL, 2x daily to BWI, and a daily flight to MCO to start, all on the B717.
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:37 pm

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 19):
XNA is not necessarily much unlike some of FL's other markets that are small without significant stimulation possibilities. Of course, you could also be right and that might explain why FL has not opened it already

I dont really agree with that...XNA is remote, unlike MLI, BMI, FNT, CAK, draw a 75 mile circle around even BMI, the least populous, and you got over 1m population, with no access to LCCs...drawn the same circle around XNA, you probably have less population but even so, they live close to LIT and TUL , which have more than their fair share of LCC flights....youd get some pax from SGF and Joplin, but that isnt even as big as PIA+CMI+DEC+SPI is for BMI.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:39 pm

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 21):
FWA wants to announce another new airline by years end, and they're not interested at all in Cape Air service to IND, so could AirTran be it?

There is a difference between "wants to announce" and "will announce".

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 21):
Anyway, I could see AirTran doing 2-3x daily to ATL, 2x daily to BWI, and a daily flight to MCO to start, all on the B717.

Don't hold your breathe on that. 2x ATL and Saturday to MCO could work.
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:48 pm

I would like to see service from ATL-BDL. That market still has relatively high fares in my opinion.
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:58 pm

I can only hope that PVD has a chance at getting FL service. With the huge pull-down of DL to ATL (and flow beyond), the complete loss of NK and pretty much stagnant air service growth, PVD would seem to be a prime opportunity right now.

Besides high fares and all RJs to ATL, PBI, MIA, and RSW are not served nonstop by anyone at all and FLL is only 1X daily on WN. If they build MKE up enough, PVD might support a flight or 2 there to get flow to the west.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 6:59 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 14):
That's the only reason I can think of that they'd be using B rather than D. For just one gate, it makes no sense.

Sarasota starts Nov 15th and I noticed a new jetway at B10 -that would be right next to B12. hmm


An excerpt from the What's New section of the STL website:

"Lambert-St. Louis International Airport ® reported a significant surge in traffic over the summer months of June, July and August. During that time, Lambert saw an overall increase of six percent increase in passenger enplanements over the same summer months of 2006. August was the biggest month for boarding passengers with an increase of nine percent over 2006.


The addition of Airtran Airways has certainly helped fuel some of this positive growth at Lambert. AirTran Airways is celebrating a record summer for traffic with strong passenger numbers in St. Louis, as well. More than 15,000 passengers flew from St. Louis with AirTran Airways in July, in only its second full month of operation out of Lambert. That was an 11 percent increase over its June passenger enplanements."

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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:03 pm

I always thought ATL, BWI-SAT held some potential.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:32 pm

My guess is to look at any city with an MSA population of 1 million plus within a 3 hr flight from ATL. Options to BWI and Florida with minimal competition being a plus.

using that criteira:

AUS
BWI, TPA and MCO alrady covered by WN, maybe RSW and FLL to go allong with ATL

SAT
BWI, TPA and MCO alrady covered by WN, maybe RSW and FLL to go allong with ATL

BNA
BWI, TPA FLL and MCO alrady covered by WN, maonly really RSW to go with ATL

SYR
Smaller market, LCC stimulus already there from B6, has potential to feed BWI too

BDL
STRONG Delta market, not only ATL, but also to MCO TPA FLL RSW and PBI. WN also has BWI MCO and TPA. Airtran cant go anywhere from BDL without a fight.

PVD
DL wouldnt really give a $hit if FL added PVD-ATL, DL has sufficeently killed the market and sent most to BOS. WN has MCO completely covered with 6x daily, TPA has 3x and FLL hax 1x. PBI RSW are each open and FLL has enough O&D for another flight or another airline.


Some smaller maybes include:

ABQ - 2x ATL
LIT - Florida is wide open, plus ATL has high fares
TYS - Florida and ATL, and no LCC
BTV - just like PWM with flights to BWI

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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:49 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 28):
BNA
BWI, TPA FLL and MCO alrady covered by WN, maonly really RSW to go with ATL

FL doesn't like pissing matches with WN, and BNA-ATL alone is a non-starter (not much of a local market). FL (J7, actually) also owes MNAA some money, though I think MNAA might be prepared to conveniently forget if FL decided they wanted to start service.
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:31 pm

Now could some of these new cities be operated similarly to the service to PWM and bypass ATL completely?

Could flights into Canada be on the horizon? Maybe service to YUL or YOW?

What about additional service in the west? PDX, SJO, RNO, SLC, or even COS (This was a rumored city back when I was working for FL 8 years ago.).

Quoting Micstatic (Reply 24):
I would like to see service from ATL-BDL. That market still has relatively high fares in my opinion.

They couldn't make it work by in the late 90s, and the only reason why they stayed there as long as they did was because of the mail revenue (And FL doesn't handle mail anymore.). I doubt they could make it work 8 years later.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Wed Oct 24, 2007 9:59 pm

I have heard from my neighbor who works for the airport authority here in ALB that FL has come here a few times during the past 4 months or so to speak with Doug Myers, our Airport Authority chairman....May mean something.
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:04 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 27):
LIT - Florida is wide open, plus ATL has high fares

I believe this is a market J7 was exploring when they got grounded. Didn WN used to fly LIT-MCO? I could have sworn I flew this in the 90s when I lived in HOT.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 27):

They could also look at going back to GSO for ATL and MCO, since SX is not seving an Orlando area airport presently.

And just tossing some off the top of my head, which haven't been mentioned, but without any actual consideration on their viability:

MDT, GRR, DSM, BTR, ROA, OMA, TUL, OKC -- none have direct MCO service on an LCC (though DSM has G4 to SFB)

Could we perhaps see them actually enter CLE? Wouldn't this be fairly analogous to FNT/DTW given the operations at CAK?

What about an ICT-MCO flight to compete with G4's ICT-SFB or ICT-LAS?

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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:07 am

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 31):
I believe this is a market J7 was exploring when they got grounded. Didn WN used to fly LIT-MCO? I could have sworn I flew this in the 90s when I lived in HOT.

I don't believe so. Only flights between Arkansas and Florida are Delta Connections' MCO-LIT and American Eagle's MIA-XNA.
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:44 am

The cities I've heard buzz about lately are: SJU, SAT, AUS, BNA, BDL, ORD, ISP, RNO, and YYZ. I've heard there will be five new destinations in 2008. 73G deliveries resume in February at a rate of 13 per year through 2012. I think we'll hear some news about 738s in the near future as well.
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:58 am

This will probably sound radical, and it may be. What about New Haven, CT (HVN)? Could the 717 carry a non weight-restricted flight from Atlanta to New Haven?
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:32 am

Quoting Micstatic (Reply 34):
What about New Haven, CT (HVN)? Could the 717 carry a non weight-restricted flight from Atlanta to New Haven?

Very doubtful off of a 5600 foot runway. Might be able to do HVN-BWI though. Not positive on that.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:36 am

I wonder if PDX is on the short list?
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:37 am

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 12):
I wonder if we might see a few more STL routes?

Absolutely. Gate B-10 is being prepared and the East Coast is yet to come. Florida probably isn't done yet, either. Fort Meyers, Boston, Philadelphia, and Miami seem like strong bets.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:40 am

Even with VJET and BNA in a money dispute, surely FL could come to some type of settlement. They are missing out on alot in landing fees etc. I think BNA could be another IND.

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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting Gr8SlvrFlt (Reply 33):
I think we'll hear some news about 738s in the near future as well.

Are 738s a pilots contract issue or is that part already worked out? I've often thought that for the heavy loads to places like LAS, SEA, LAX, LGA, etc, a full 738 made alot of sense. Especially going up against DL 75s and 76s.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 1):
They go to ICT. Does something seem wrong with that picture.

ICT subsidizes the service. Thats why you haven't seen any new service there. The current service can't survive without help.

Quoting CitrusCritter (Reply 31):
Could we perhaps see them actually enter CLE? Wouldn't this be fairly analogous to FNT/DTW given the operations at CAK?

They'll probably think twice about going into CLE. My sources tell me that DTW is losing money, and keeping staff is a challenge. CAK on the other hand is a very profitable station. Don't kill the golden goose. FL might want to think about retrenching away from DTW back to TOL.
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 7:04 am

Anyone see Air Tran trying out MIA-DCA or MIA-LGA? These two markets are under served from MIA with only one airline flying 8 daily flights between MIA-DCA AA. And two airlines flying MIA-LGA AA 9X day and DL once a day. Really why not use a 717 or 737 in one of these flights and create compettion with AA. They are doing MIA-MCI MIA-IND MIA-MDW why not try some more out of MIA?
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 9:36 am

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 41):
Anyone see Air Tran trying out MIA-DCA or MIA-LGA?

Two words for you: Got Slots?

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 38):
Even with VJET and BNA in a money dispute, surely FL could come to some type of settlement. They are missing out on alot in landing fees etc. I think BNA could be another IND.

FL did briefly operate out of BNA in the late 90s, flying BNA-GPT. BNA could work if they leave ATL out of the equation.

The previously mentioned XNA is an interesting thought, looking at the flights into there, if AA can throw in several MD-80 flights to DFW in addition to the American Eagle service (To DFW and a few other cities), then there is definitely an opportunity for someone like FL to come in and offer a few flights a day to say MCO, BWI, and ATL.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:45 am

Quoting FlyMIA (Reply 41):
why not try some more out of MIA?

I've always thought that the market was there for FL to try MKE-MIA. I'm sure Mark could comment on that...IIRC, he suggested that it's a route that AE has on the radar anyway.

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 42):
FL did briefly operate out of BNA in the late 90s, flying BNA-GPT. BNA could work if they leave ATL out of the equation.

Does FL have unpaid bills or something in BNA? I thought that there's some underlying reason why they won't enter BNA as it relates to their days as ValuJet. Otherwise, this is essentially one of the few major southeastern cities without FL service, and seems perfect for multi-day shuttles to ATL to feed the network (not to mention much less expensive day trips for business travelers).

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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:50 am

I think ABQ would be a decent market for a couple of daily nonstops to ATL.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:21 pm

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 42):
Two words for you: Got Slots?

There are about to be four pairs of slots available at DCA as ATA is leaving DCA.

As for MIA-LGA, even if FL could get the slots, it would be tough. DL just recently found this out which is why they are abandoning the MIA-LGA route and shifting an extra flight to MIA-JFK.

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 38):
Even with VJET and BNA in a money dispute, surely FL could come to some type of settlement. They are missing out on alot in landing fees etc. I think BNA could be another IND.

Very successful.

Has IND really been that successful for FL? I think BNA is a problem for two reasons. The short BNA-ATL leg would be mostly connecting traffic which FL isn't going to want. Second, BNA has such a strong WN presence that it really isn't worth it.
 
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:25 pm

Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 40):
They'll probably think twice about going into CLE. My sources tell me that DTW is losing money, and keeping staff is a challenge. CAK on the other hand is a very profitable station. Don't kill the golden goose. FL might want to think about retrenching away from DTW back to TOL.

I hear the same thing about DTW and how much money it's losing. Yes they bring in a lot of revenue to the Florida markets during the winter months, but I hear they lose hand over fist during the rest of the time. Ya know, the Port is/has gotten a waiver for the SCASD grant to use for different markets - because of the termoil in NYC. Right now, TOL would be ripe for them to come back as Delta is very weak in the market now and Allegiant still proves there is a market. Why not use the grant to get them back? Do I think they will come back? I doubt it, but there could be a case for it to be made. That being said, I don't think they'll go to FWA either.

One location I think they should work on is OKC. Before they pulled down MDW drastically, I would've said OKC-MDW 2x daily and ATL 3x daily and MCO 1x daily would be ideal. I still think they could do well with a couple of ATL round trips.
 
quickmover
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:02 pm

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 46):
I hear the same thing about DTW and how much money it's losing. Yes they bring in a lot of revenue to the Florida markets during the winter months, but I hear they lose hand over fist during the rest of the time.

Is that true?

You can still fly people to Florida through ATL. If the ATL flights were not full, why would they overfly the hub with extra flights to Florida. I know being full and making money are not always the same, but DTW fares are not that much cheaper than other cities of similar distance.

I'm not doubting your truthfulness, I just haven't heard this before.
 
RL757PVD
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:07 pm

PVD-ATL - O&D is 1/3 of what it used to be thanks to a decrease in seats from 870 to 270 (loss fo 600) in the past 4 years. Avg fares are over $300 each way (equivelent of $700 r/t after taxes and fees(and thats AVGERAGE)
delta response will be minimal due to their BOS interest

PVD-RSW - NK vacated a market after it was stimulated to 600 daily O&D pax.... no service currently provided

PVD-FLL - NK vacated the market after it was stimulated to 670 daily O&D pax, WN currently has 1x

PVD-PBI - no n/s service, over 330 daily O&D pax

Then if they wanted to deal with WN a little more MCO has 1200 daily O&D to PVD, and PVD-TPA has over 750 daily pax.

BDL has much better ATL #'s than PVD does, but at PVD they wont have to put up with a fight from Delta on every potential route,

PVD-ATL 3x minimal competition
PVD-RSW 1x (maybe 2 in peak season) no competition
PVD-PBI 1x non competition
PVD-FLL 1x minimal competition in a big market
PVD-MCO Sat Only plenty of demand on saturdays.

what are they waiting for?
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
 
SkyyMaster
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RE: Any New Cities On Air Tran's Horizon?

Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:17 pm

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 21):
I dont really agree with that...XNA is remote

Actually, despite it's "remoteness" XNA is a rather populous area and has quite alot of air service for a city it's size. Being home to Walmart and Tyson Foods, along with the U of Arkansas doesn't hurt. If they can support n/s service to LAX, MIA, NYC, DCA, and others, I think FL could squeeze a few pax out of them, say to ATL and BWI.

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 27):
TYS - Florida and ATL, and no LCC

IIRC back when FL was taking a poll of customers on cities they would like to see served, TYS was high on the list. As mentioned, no LCC there. Airtran could make a killing.

Quoting Quickmover (Reply 38):
Even with VJET and BNA in a money dispute



Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 43):
Does FL have unpaid bills or something in BNA?

Valujet owed MNAA some $400K in back rent, and for a long time the authority was demanding payment before talking to FL about re-entering the market. It's my understanding that debt has been forgiven.

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