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TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:29 am

Just an interesting note for all of you AA and/or TWA history buffs out there. I flew AA 1807 STL-DFW today. I knew I would most likely be on a non-nAAtive 757 for the trip, and that it might be one of my last rides on one of the old TWA birds before they're all at DL.

What I didn't know was that I'd be on the plane's last flight for AA. Here's the story:

It was a gorgeous day for the flight, once we got above the low cloud cover in STL, and N711ZX (I only caught her reg from a distance later, I'm 99% sure this was it) gave us a wonderfully smooth, quiet and POWERFUL ride down to DFW. I had no idea that it was her last flight for AA until (talk about amazing luck) I was literally right by the cockpit on my way out the door in DFW. The pilot said to the purser something to the effect of "I think it's this one's last flight. They're towing her to the hangar after they're all off." Stupidly, I spent a brief second thinking he meant her last flight of the day, and then I put two and two together basedd on what I know from on here, and realized she was headed to DL. I found it just a little bit sad that there was no acknowledgement of her service, nothing special said while we were on board. But I was definitely happy to walk by the captain right when I did. Sure enough, when my flight to AUS taxied out just a few minutes later, she'd already been towed to a remote stand. The gate we'd just come into was empty.

So here's to N711ZX, and her continued career.


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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:49 am

Wow.

If this is true then absolutely remarkable and a shame to see the last of TWA truly be gone.

We do have the MD80 also thhough, but to me as a TWA fan, the 757 signified it for me.

Glad you got to ride on it.

My last ex TWA 757 ride was DFW-STL in July, on N712 I believe. The sister ship I suppose  Smile

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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:54 am

Well, on the bright side, DL is gonna giver her wings..... well okay, winglets.. I didn't know that the ex-TWA birds would be leaving so rapidly..
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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
shame to see the last of TWA truly be gone

It will be. Does anyone know what the new total for TWA 757s in the fleet is?
 
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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:11 am

A great airline with a great aircraft. All good things must end...though at least I'll have my plastic model of N721TW in the last TWA livery for a while.  Smile
 
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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:33 am

The TWA 757s certainly have served their purposes with AA well. All 27 ships did a fine job, and will continue to so with Delta & the other operators. DL, I believe, is getting a total of 13 of the 757s. While I wished AA had kept the PW-powered aircraft (and added more), the fleet is too small by AA's standards to justify retaining them. When the leases were up on each bird, AA returns the bird to the owner. And AA kept these birds right up to the last day of the leases too, something it didn't do with the 717s.
One 757 in particular, N710TW, is the 757th 757 built. I hope this bird goes to Delta, where I can keep a watchful eye on her.  Wink
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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 5:39 am

Good Job DL to get these historic aircraft! May they fly long, with clear skies at Delta!
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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:21 am

Hola AbridA!

Thanks for your post.

I had the opportunity of flying this 757 last January in the JFK-SEA route.

Farewell to this awesome plane and such a great airline as TWA was, which I uually flew on the route BCN-JFK back in the 1990s.

Salut!

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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting Rogerbcn (Reply 7):
back in the 1990s.

Back in the second half of the 1990's. TWA's first 757 arrived in 1996, it was painted already in the last corporate scheme.

Yes I remember well ex-TWA 757's. I flew on one back in 2003 from DFW to LGA. I remember the flight very well, I was seated on seat 24A, just behind the wing trailing edge, and I had a gorgeous sunset upon leaving Texas. I couldn't get the registration.
I also remember seeing one in SEA leaving for DFW early in the morning, a year and a half ago. I was flying to JFK (this was the day after my visit at the Boeing plant in Everett) on a 757 connecting on a 767 to BRU. The 757 I was on that day was a nAAtive 757, not an ex-TWA bird.
Does that mean American has no more ex-TWA 757's?
I'm glad I got to fly on one at least once.

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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:30 pm

One beautiful aircraft in AA livery for sure. I wish her many happy flights until retirement.
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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 2:45 pm

UA and AA had been flying the 757 for a number of years before TWA even took its first 757 delivery. For TWA fans and employees the addition of the 757 was a huge deal, it represented hope for the future of the airline, pride in new aircrafts and a slick new livery . Things looked like they were turning the corner for TWA at that time and the addition of the 757 was a big symbol of that. Thanks for the post; Delta will put them to good use.


AA on the other hand continues to shrink. Sounds like all 737 deliveries in 09 will be used to replace MD-80's.

[Edited 2007-10-26 07:56:32]
 
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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 3:28 pm

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 5):
DL, I believe, is getting a total of 13 of the 757s

Actually, DL will now be getting 15 of them.

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 5):
One 757 in particular, N710TW, is the 757th 757 built. I hope this bird goes to Delta, where I can keep a watchful eye on her.

Yes, N710TW will be part of the DL fleet

All of these birds will retain their TW registrations so it shouldn't be difficult to keep track of them....
 
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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:22 pm

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
If this is true then absolutely remarkable and a shame to see the last of TWA truly be gone.

The last of TWA was truly gone when AA slaughtered and fragmented TWA many years ago....it's good to see these 757's go somewhere that they'll be used and really appreciated, versus being the redheaded step child.

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RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

Fri Oct 26, 2007 4:24 pm

As far as I know, N711ZX is not one of the aircraft that will be delivered to Delta. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Here is a list of the aircraft that I know are slated for delivery to Delta. These are all ILFC-owned aircraft.
  • N702TW - delivered
  • N703TW - delivered
  • N704X - delivered
  • N706TW - delivered
  • N707TW - delivered
  • N709TW - delivered
  • N710TW
  • N712TW
  • N713TW
  • N721TW

    Since there are 15 aircraft slated for delivery, I assume that the two remaining ILFC-owned aircraft, N722TW and N723TW, will also be picked up by Delta. For the three Pegasus aircraft, there are only three aircraft available (N705TW, N717TW, and N727TW), most other ex-TWA 757s owned by Pegasus have been leased to foreign carriers.
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Fri Oct 26, 2007 7:54 pm

    ABirdA thanks for sharing a wonderful story with us. For sure, they'll be well taken care of over at Delta.
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:48 pm

    I am actually glad to see the ex-TWA 757's go away from AA. I have flown them several times - DFW-BWI, DFW-PHX, and DFW-SAN (in Sept 07) and AA just did'nt invest anything in them. No seat power outlets, worn and uncomfortable seats in First, and beat-up Lavs. Someone mentioned that these 757's were "the red-headed step children" in AA's fleet and I could'nt agree more. Let's hope they find happiness at Delta
     
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:54 pm

    There they go, joining the F100, Bae146, and a few 762 and 747 widebodies, all older than roughly seventy aging MD80s.

    The longer this goes, the more likely AA will be in NW DC9 territory on their aging MD80 fleet.
     
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:23 pm

    Quoting Ghillier (Reply 15):
    Let's hope they find happiness at Delta

    They sure will! The 22 domestic FC seats will be replaced by 16 BusinessElite-like seats, made by Recaro rather than B/E Aerospace like on Delta's other BusinessElite aircraft. Economy class will get new Weber Aircraft slimline seats which should be more comfortable than the seats that they currently feature. It has been rumored that they might also get overhead bin extensions like on Delta's other 757s, although I wouldn't count on it.
     
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Fri Oct 26, 2007 9:28 pm

    Quoting Ghillier (Reply 15):
    I am actually glad to see the ex-TWA 757's go away from AA. I have flown them several times - DFW-BWI, DFW-PHX, and DFW-SAN (in Sept 07) and AA just did'nt invest anything in them. No seat power outlets, worn and uncomfortable seats in First, and beat-up Lavs. Someone mentioned that these 757's were "the red-headed step children" in AA's fleet and I could'nt agree more. Let's hope they find happiness at Delta

    Shame, I refused to fly an AA 757 if I saw an ex TWA 757 was on the route. For the reason of bigger seat pitch, 32 on ex TWA versus AA's 757, 31.

    Also ex TWA seats had more padding in their coach seats versus the AA ones which were hard, and blue covered with white diamond over it.

    I thoroughly enjoyed the ex TWA 757's, but i guess my reasons were hated by the others.

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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:19 pm

    Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 18):

    Hey Alex ! I did'nt realize that the seat pitch was greater on the Ex-TWA 757's but I have noticed they were a bit quieter than the AA 757's. I am actually flying on an AA 757 from LAX-Hawaii in the next couple days. I guess I just like the leather seats on the AA versions better
     
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:37 pm

    I wish the bird many good years with DL!

    I love overpowered the 757! And in two weeks I get trained to be Cabin Crew on one together with the 767-300 (I currently work on 738's) Cant wait to fly those birds ARN-HEL-DXB and back.

    I've flown 757's on CO (752 and 753) and NW (752) before - only mad dogs with AA...

    Ours are built 93/94, how old are the ex. TWA birds? Will any get winglets and/or fly ETOPS missions for DL?


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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:47 pm

    Quoting Ghillier (Reply 19):
    Hey Alex ! I did'nt realize that the seat pitch was greater on the Ex-TWA 757's but I have noticed they were a bit quieter than the AA 757's.

    Indeed, since TWA ones were PW it was a bit more quiet especially on take off.

    Seat Pitch wasn't a huge difference but it made a big one for taller people.

    I also liked having a rest room in the middle of the plane versus in the back like AA's did.

    I only flew F/C on AA's 757 not ex TWA so i can't compare the differences, though AA's were leather and TWA's were not.

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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Fri Oct 26, 2007 10:47 pm

    I last flew on AA-TWA 757 bird from LAS to STL. I can only wish AA did not remove this interim scheme:


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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Fri Oct 26, 2007 11:14 pm

    Quoting WF2BNN (Reply 20):
    how old are the ex. TWA birds? Will any get winglets and/or fly ETOPS missions for DL?

    Yes, they will fly transatlantic routes for Delta, which requires ETOPS. This is one of the main reasons why Delta is acquiring them. They were made from 1996 to 2000, which makes them attractive for Delta as they are still fairly new by aircraft standards.
     
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:35 am

    Quoting AbirdA (Reply 3):
    Does anyone know what the new total for TWA 757s in the fleet is?

    As of today, Friday, October 26, there are four TWA 757s left in AA's fleet.
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:47 am

    Great birds that are looking stunning in their new dress...


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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:52 am

    Quoting Ghillier (Reply 15):
    I am actually glad to see the ex-TWA 757's go away from AA

    Me too.. .don't get me wrong, I love the 757s and I wish these frames all the best with DL. But as mentioned above, AA never upgraded the F/C cabin and those power outlets were sorely missed, specially on long flights.

    I liked the LCD screens in the ex-TW birds better than AA's aging CRTs. I seem to recall reading on another thread that the nAAtive 757s are up for a big upgrade and this is one of the items that will be improved.
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:23 am

    Quoting SABE (Reply 26):
    the nAAtive 757s are up for a big upgrade

    Yes, this is correct. The new interior is still in the design phase. We won't see the first bird with the new interior until October 2008. The new interiors will be installed over about a two year period and should be done in late 2010 or early 2011.

    Quoting SABE (Reply 26):
    I liked the LCD screens in the ex-TW birds better than AA's aging CRTs.

    The reconfigured aircraft will indeed get new LCD screens, but they will still be aisle mounted. The aircraft will feature Panasonic's eFX digital IFE system, the same system recently installed on the 763s.

    On a side note, all 738s are now equipped with winglets and the 757s are still in the process of getting theirs.

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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:36 am

    Speaking of IFE, the ex-TWA 757s with Delta are slated to get the Panasonic eFX system with PTVs at every seat featuring AVOD. They will initialy run with the Sony Transcom system that was installed by TWA, but will get the new system by December.

    Also, when is the next batch of aircraft slated for delivery to Delta? I believe that that two ex-TWA 757s are being delivered monthly, however, I don't think that any aircraft were delivered this month.

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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:44 am

    Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 28):
    Also, when is the next batch of aircraft slated for delivery to Delta? I believe that that two ex-TWA 757s are being delivered monthly, however, I don't think that any aircraft were delivered this month.

    I wonder when DL is going to update the numbers on their fleet page that they now have MORE 757-200s than the 121 currently listed. With the 13 they are getting from the TWA/AA lease change and three from Pegasus doesn't that mean 137 752s?
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Sat Oct 27, 2007 3:52 am

    Im happy to say I flew a ex-TWA AA 752 SEA-DFW, but never got the reg. Heres the video I made.  Smile

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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:12 am

    Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 29):

    I wonder when DL is going to update the numbers on their fleet page that they now have MORE 757-200s than the 121 currently listed. With the 13 they are getting from the TWA/AA lease change and three from Pegasus doesn't that mean 137 752s?

    they just had to give up N620DL so it would be 120 then add 15 so 135
     
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:24 am

    Can anyone tell me which AA 757-200 I was on, June 28th, last year AA 1306 SEA-DFW? Is it even possible to find out now?
     
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Sat Oct 27, 2007 5:39 am

    We'll take good care of her !!
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:47 pm

    Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 31):
    they just had to give up N620DL so it would be 120 then add 15 so 135

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that still make DL the largest operator of 757s?
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    RE: TWA 757s Say Goodbye

    Sat Oct 27, 2007 4:58 pm

    Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 34):
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that still make DL the largest operator of 757s?

    Yes, Delta is now the largest 757 operator. AA once operated a total of 141 757s, however. Only four ex-TWA 757s remain in AA's fleet.

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