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vikinga346
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Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 2:47 am

British Airways flight 66 and 69 both suffered flat tires on the PHL ramp today delaying both flights by several hours. Just after pushback and taxi BA 66 reported to PHL tower that it had a punctured tire, taxied back to the gate and got a tire change. BA 69 suffered a flat tire while taxiing to the gate.

It is said that the culprit was a piece of sheet metal that had somehow found itself on the ramp just behind gate A-17 at PHL. Both Boeing 777-200's were unlucky enough to have clipped the metal and thus both suffered flat tires. BA 66 heavy took off from PHL at 22:10, over three hours late. BA 68 heavy sits at gate A-17 waiting for departure. ETD is 23:30, over 2 hours late.

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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 6:48 am

Wow! You'd think they would have figured it out after the first incident!
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 8:43 am

It's a good thing they didn't have run-flats...we had a tire get punctured in the middle of Iowa and it took a day an a half for them to track down, ship, and install a replacement! (Most cars with run flats also have no spare in the trunk)
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:01 am

I thought that the 2 BA flights to PHL were a 777 & 767?
 
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:12 am

Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Reply 2):
Wow! You'd think they would have figured it out after the first incident!
Matt

I was thinking that.. Why didn't anyone notice the piece of metal after the first one? The armchair detective in me says sabotage, or pure lazyness..  scratchchin   stirthepot 
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:47 pm

Quoting Boysteve (Reply 3):
thought that the 2 BA flights to PHL were a 777 & 767?

They are from today. During Oct it was two B777.
 
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:16 pm

someone should check for FOD  Wink
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:23 pm

PHL is the worst airport for FOD I have ever seen. It is loaded with trash, just like the rest of the city.
 
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:10 pm

Quoting Kovi17 (Reply 6):
someone should check for FOD

I'm not in the airline business. What is FOD?
 
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:11 pm

Quoting Eajpecrca (Reply 8):
FOD

Foreign Object Damage

IE Bits of metal laying around where they should not be!
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Eajpecrca (Reply 8):
FOD?

Foreign object damage
 
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting VikingA346 (Thread starter):
It is said that the culprit was a piece of sheet metal that had somehow found itself on the ramp just behind gate A-17 at PHL

Ahh....there must've been a CO DC-10 in the vicinity.... Smile
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Sun Oct 28, 2007 11:41 pm

FOD = Foreign Object Debris
 
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 11):
Ahh....there must've been a CO DC-10 in the vicinity....

Wow!
 
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:08 am

I am sorry to hear this. Two flat 777 tires on same day at PHL is unheard of.
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Mon Oct 29, 2007 2:25 am

Quoting Joness0154 (Reply 11):

Ahh....there must've been a CO DC-10 in the vicinity.... {Smile}

Now that was just low. Too harsh man!  cry   duck 
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:17 am

So in cases like this does the airline get compensated for FOD damage from the airport operator? Will BA get paid for the tire replacements, and what about lost revenue from late or cancelled departures?
 
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Mon Oct 29, 2007 7:49 am

I was by A22 when I saw 66 come west down Juliet make a turn onto Kilo 5 and then a left on Kilo to head back to the gate. I heard the A-Con coordinator in our Ramp Tower call out that aircraft pushing into the alley between East and West be on the watch for debris since BA blew a tire over there. I later found out that three tyres (that's a tribute to you guys across the pond, ha) had to be replaced between both aircraft. One on one T7 and two on the other. When I left Saturday night at 2200, VIIW was getting their tires changed at that time. IIRC, YMMC was just about ready to push at that time.

As for if BA would pay the bill. I don't think so as two Airport Ops trucks were over at VIIW checking out the damage. I assume the city would pay the bill.
 
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:13 am

Quoting Wolverhampton (Reply 12):
FOD = Foreign Object Debris

Foreign object damage.
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:32 am

Quoting DFW13L (Reply 1):
Wow! You'd think they would have figured it out after the first incident!
Matt

You do remember this is PHL everyone is talking about, right?
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Wed Oct 31, 2007 4:39 pm

How exactly does one change a flat tire on an airliner?
 
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Wed Oct 31, 2007 8:15 pm

Quoting PHLapproach (Reply 17):
When I left Saturday night at 2200, VIIW was getting their tires changed at that time.

G-VIIW isn't having much luck lately! - Recently, she was grounded in TLV for a number of days awaiting a replacement engine, after her previous engine failed beyond repair on take off roll.

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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:20 pm

Quoting Mah584jr (Reply 20):
How exactly does one change a flat tire on an airliner?

Pretty much like a car...jack the gear up, take off the bolts, put on a new wheel. The a new tire gets put on the wheel off the airplane. If you go to a maintenance base you'll usually see a rack with a few wheels with tires, ready to go, for just such an occasion.

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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:09 pm

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 22):
Pretty much like a car...jack the gear up, take off the bolts, put on a new wheel. The a new tire gets put on the wheel off the airplane. If you go to a maintenance base you'll usually see a rack with a few wheels with tires, ready to go, for just such an occasion

Only use a Torque wrench too.  Smile
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:45 pm

Wonder if this was covered by one of the crew's AAA membership?  Big grin
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:50 pm

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 22):
Pretty much like a car...jack the gear up, take off the bolts, put on a new wheel.

Aren't the tires usually fully deflated before removal, and then re-inflated once the wheel is bolted to the axle? And isn't that because airliners, like most aircraft, use split rims?
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RE: Two Flat Tires For BA 777s At PHL Today

Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:17 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 18):
Quoting Wolverhampton (Reply 12):
FOD = Foreign Object Debris

Foreign object damage.

FOD can stand for both. It is debris when refering to the actual items on the ramp. It is damage when refering to something that has happened because of the item(s).

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 25):
Aren't the tires usually fully deflated before removal, and then re-inflated once the wheel is bolted to the axle? And isn't that because airliners, like most aircraft, use split rims?

All the spares in our garage are fully INflated. Either that, or they are very stiff!

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