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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:39 pm



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 97):

Ahhh... nothing like the sight of a new, aggressive competitor to shake up a captive market.

They seldom last though. How many "aggressive competitor" have not success?

Quoting G5ive (Reply 99):
Wasn't TA going to start SAL-LAS?

More importantly, when is TA going to start exploiting their relationship with United?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:47 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 100):
More importantly, when is TA going to start exploiting their relationship with United?

By this do you mean flights to ORD and DEN?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:02 pm



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 101):
By this do you mean flights to ORD and DEN?

Just in general. Their schedules are all screwed up and IHMO do not provide good connections. TA gets into ORD at an awful time - purely O/D traffic - no connections available for any UA flights.

I guess the question is - if they can fill that flight with purely O/D traffic - why even bother with making connections w UA..


I dunno - seems to me that in general TA could be making better use of their relationship with UA.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:08 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 102):
I guess the question is - if they can fill that flight with purely O/D traffic - why even bother with making connections w UA..


I dunno - seems to me that in general TA could be making better use of their relationship with UA.

You are implying that everything TA does is logical...they are sorta CentAm version of BMI......
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:11 pm



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 103):

You are implying that everything TA does is logical...they are sorta CentAm version of BMI...

I don't understand what you are trying to say.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:39 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 104):

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 103):
You are implying that everything TA does is logical...they are sorta CentAm version of BMI...

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

My hallucination is that he meant that in reference to BD seemingly not having a clue what they're doing. Some of TA's moves certainly make me wonder whether the so-called "best management team in the industry south of the border" is actually about experimenting with hit-or-miss ideas (inspired by random copycatting of its rivals) and long nights of brainstorming over spirituous drinks.

And if you plan on replying, please spare us the "How many Airbuses do you have operating?" nonsense this time.  sarcastic 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:51 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 102):
TA gets into ORD at an awful time - purely O/D traffic - no connections available for any UA flights.

I thought that at least TA was getting some southbound connecting traffic from UA late evening (2200-2400h) ORD arrivals.

It can be said that because the schedules both TA and CM IAD + JFK flights are almost all O/D traffic.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:52 pm



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 105):

And if you plan on replying, please spare us the "How many Airbuses do you have operating?" nonsense this time

Only if you spare us this type of nonsense:

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 105):
hit-or-miss ideas (inspired by random copycatting of its rivals) and long nights of brainstorming over spirituous drinks.

Deal?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:57 pm



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 106):
I thought that at least TA was getting some southbound connecting traffic from UA late evening (2200-2400h) ORD arrivals.

Maybe - but how are you going to get those connecting people back home?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:25 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 108):
Maybe - but how are you going to get those connecting people back home?

Complementary hotel night @ ORD or via IAH/DFW/MIA ?

I also ask myself, how come TA does fly red-eyes from California to Centralamerica but no red-eyes from Centralamerica to IAD/JFK/YYZ?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:38 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 107):
Deal?

It isn't me you need to strike a deal with, funnyman, it's TA human resources. You two seem like a perfect match to me, and even drink the same Kool-Aid.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:56 am

SAM - Avianca will resume BOG-SJO in December.
Follow up: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica (by Summa767 Nov 13 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 98):
Delta's bookings clearly don't support that. Not going with the 2nd ATL frequency (which was 3x weekly, IIRC),

I would assume poor loads for DL SAP-ATL as well, based on the 5x weekly with 738.



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Quoting G5ive (Reply 99):
Wasn't TA going to start SAL-LAS?

LAS is included into the agreement UA-TA.
I have heard they are studying SAP-MSY.



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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 100):
when is TA going to start exploiting their relationship with United?



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 102):
Just in general. Their schedules are all screwed up and IHMO do not provide good connections. TA gets into ORD at an awful time - purely O/D traffic - no connections available for any UA flights.



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 109):
how come TA does fly red-eyes from California to Centralamerica but no red-eyes from Centralamerica to IAD/JFK/YYZ?

IMHO, TA must improve its presence in some U.S. key hubs of UA such as IAD and ORD, if they would become a Star Alliance member in the future. These UA's bases are offering interesting options to enable easier connections to some Canadian and U.S. destinations. TA may take advantage of them offering more daylight arrivals as Mt99 said.
Related to the service on TA: SFO, ORD and IAD are mostly experiencing arrivals around [22:00 - 01:00]. Operations to JFK and YYZ follow a similar arrival schedule pattern.
However, TA is already deploying a SAL-IAD 3x weekly with daylight arrival at IAD that enables connections through UA network.
Moreover, TA-UA are currently supplying some daylight operations for both SAL-LAX and GUA-LAX; all days available. With this kind of arrangement, a bunch of connections through UA are really possible once in LAX.
Finally, these are the code-share points on TA-UA that involved operations with some U.S. regional carriers as well:

ATTACHMENT A
U.S. Code-Share Points
Akron/Canton, OH
Albany, NY
Albuquerque, NM
Allentown, PA
Anchorage, AS
Appleton, WI
Aspen, CO
Atlanta, GA
Austin, TX
Bakersfield, CA
Baltimore, MD
Billings, MT
Binghamton, NY
Birmingham, AL
Bismarck, ND
Bloomington, IL
Boise, ID
Boston, MA
Bozeman, MT
Buffalo, NY
Burbank, CA
Burlington, VT
Carlsbad, CA
Casper, WY
Cedar Rapids, IA
Charleston, SC
Charleston, WV
Charlotte, NC
Charlottesville, VA
Chicago, IL
Chico, CA
Cincinnati, OH
Cleveland, OH
Cody, WY
Colorado Springs, CO
Columbia, SC
Columbus, OH
Crescent City, CA
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX
Dayton, OH
Daytona Beach, FL
Denver, CO
Des Moines, IA
Detroit, MI
Durango, CO
El Centro/Imperial, CA
El Paso, TX
Eugene, OR
Eureka/Arcata, CA
Fargo, ND
Fayetteville, AR
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Fort Myers, FL
Fort Wayne, IN
Fresno, CA
Grand Junction, CO
Grand Rapids, MI
Great Falls, MT
Green Bay, WI
Greensboro/High
Point/Winston-Salem, NC
Greenville/Spartanburg, SC
Gunnison, CO
Harrisburg, PA
Hartford, CT
Honolulu, HI
Houston, TX
Huntsville, AL
Idaho Falls, ID
Indianapolis, IN
Inyokern, CA
Jackson Hole, WY
Jacksonville, FL
Kahului, Maui, HI
Kalamazoo, MI
Kalispell, MO
Kansas City, MO
Knoxville, TN
Kona, HI
Lansing, MI
Las Vegas, NV
Lexington, KY
Lihue, Kauai, HI
Lincoln, NE
Los Angeles, CA
Louisville, KY
Madison, WI
Manchester, NH
Medford, OR
Memphis, TN
Miami, FL
Milwaukee, WI
Minneapolis/St. Paul, MN
Missoula, MT
Modesto, CA
Moline, IL
Monterey, CA
Montrose, CO
Myrtle Beach, SC
Nashville, TN
New Orleans, LA
New York, NY/Newark, NJ
Norfolk/Virginia
Beach/Williamsburg, VA
Oakland, CA
Oklahoma City, OK
Omaha, NE
Ontario, CA
Orange County, CA
Orlando, FL
Oxnard, CA
Palm Springs, CA
Palmdale, CA
Pasco, WA
Peoria, IL
Philadelphia, PA
Phoenix, AZ
Pittsburgh, PA
Portland, ME
Portland, OR
Providence, RI
Raleigh/Durham, NC
Rapid City, SD
Redding, CA
Redmond, OR
Reno, NV
Richmond, VA
Roanoke, VA
Rochester, NY
Rockford, IL
Sacramento, CA
Saginaw, MI
Salt Lake City, UT
San Antonio, TX
San Diego, CA
San Francisco, CA
San Jose, CA
San Juan, PR
San Luis Obispo, CA
Santa Barbara, CA
Santa Maria, CA
Savannah, GA
Seattle/Tacoma, WA
Sioux Falls, SD
South Bend, IN
Spokane, WA
Springfield, IL
Springfield, MO
St. George, UT
St. Louis, MO
State College, PA
Steamboat Springs, CO
Syracuse, NY
Tampa, FL
Traverse City, MI
Tucson, AZ
Tulsa, OK
Vail/Eagle, CO
Washington, DC
Wausau, WI
West Palm Beach, FL
Westchester County, NY
Wichita, KS
Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, PA
Yuma, AZ

Canada Code-Share Points
Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Vancouver, BC, Canada
Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:34 am



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 111):
SAM - Avianca will resume BOG-SJO in December.
Follow up: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Nice to see AV back to SJO after so many years.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:46 pm

CM has recieved another E190, fleet now at 37, 11 EMBs and 26 737s.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:47 pm



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 110):
It isn't me you need to strike a deal with, funnyman, it's TA human resources. You two seem like a perfect match to me, and even drink the same Kool-Aid.

Thats Mr.Funnyman to you!

You hold quite a grudge on things don't you. That cant be healthy. Oh well! Good luck with your troubles.

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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 111):
TA may take advantage of them offering more daylight arrivals as Mt99 said.
Related to the service on TA: SFO, ORD and IAD are mostly experiencing arrivals around [22:00 - 01:00]. Operations to JFK and YYZ follow a similar arrival schedule pattern.

Thats what i was trying to say, although not as succinct as you did.. Thanks!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:59 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 102):
TA gets into ORD at an awful time - purely O/D traffic

They also have not so happy to be up at time to catch a flight departures.  wideeyed 

Ex: JFK-SAL 02:50, 03:45
IAD-SAL 02:45, 04:30

What is the explanation for this?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:10 pm

Red-eye flying very much helps TACA maintain high aircraft utilization.

Additionally red-eye flights have been preferred and work well for many ethnic travelers as they allow for daytime journeys within their respective countries where night time vehicle travel is both more difficult(including dangerous) or not available always such in the case of busses.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:20 pm



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 111):
Finally, these are the code-share points on TA-UA that involved operations with some U.S. regional carriers as well:



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 111):
Lexington, KY

See this illustrates my point. I know for a fact that UA only flies to LEX via ORD.

If TA arrives at ORD at 2AM, you would have to wait till 8AM for the first flight to LEX!. So although it is listed as a code-share, it is - for all practical purposes - unusable.

There are far better connections to LEX from Central America.How many of that list of cities have the same problem?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:38 pm



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 111):
I have heard they are studying SAP-MSY.

Why study...the served this route for donkey's years....they should know the data like their salary scale!

A daily E-190 (when delivered) would be perfect.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 104):
I don't understand what you are trying to say.

I can translate to spanish for you if you wish..or maybe some swahili
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:00 pm



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 118):
swahili

That works  Wink

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 116):
night time vehicle travel is both more difficult(including dangerous) or not available always such in the case of busses.

Very good point. Never thought about that one!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:06 pm



Quoting Aer (Reply 96):
Well today I saw in the news paper a MX add offering a 2x1 deal, just like Interjet. Plus TA is offering sales on the MEX-GUA route. Guess they are now feeling the competition AM was unable to perform.

 checkmark  AM did have a 2 X 1 sale, but it was over the regular excursion fare... MX is offering the 2 X 1 over the discounted $172.00 fare  Wow!

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 110):
It isn't me you need to strike a deal with, funnyman, it's TA human resources.

What's so wrong about working for TA?

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:14 pm



Quoting Mt99 (Reply 114):

 rotfl  What a crock!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:29 am



Quoting G5ive (Reply 115):
Ex: JFK-SAL 02:50, 03:45
IAD-SAL 02:45, 04:30

What is the explanation for this?

Morning departures in such routes imply idle assets up to eight hours and TA needs their Airbuses for the morning bank departures in SAL.



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Quoting Mt99 (Reply 119):
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 116):
night time vehicle travel is both more difficult(including dangerous) or not available always such in the case of busses.

Very good point. Never thought about that one!

Departure times range at [00:30 - 04:30] are working solely from North American bound on TA, not from Central America.
On the other hand, NK is currently deploying midnight departures from some tracks in the isthmus: SAP-FLL, MGA-FLL and PTY-FLL next year.



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Quoting Laxintl (Reply 116):
Red-eye flying very much helps TACA maintain high aircraft utilization.

Additionally red-eye flights have been preferred and work well for many ethnic travelers as they allow for daytime journeys within their respective countries

The former point was rather focusing in the proper usage of the TA-UA agreement based on unappealing late arrivals into UA's bases: LAX, SFO, ORD and IAD.
LAX is apparently working well on TA-UA, supported by daylight arrivals from GUA and SAL in order to enable connections through UA network, beside their late schedule arrivals.
IMHO, TA may boost a similar pattern in the U.S. eastbound and the current TA SAL-IAD 3x weekly can provide geographically easier connections to some points that have been included into the agreement.
Let me put it this way: some years ago, UA operated morning departures for SJO-MEX-IAD and SJO-MEX-ORD later, if I remember correctly. Based on such daylight arrivals there, a lot of connections were possible using this pattern, including immediate connections to Europe through UA network abroad. This model is not possible at this time.
I agree with your point concerning to the feasibility of their red-eye schedules to LAX, SFO, IAD, JFK, YYZ, ORD and OAK shortly. This schedule pattern also allows connections from the rest of the stations on TA network.
However, the proper usages of extra daylight operations enable advantages in order to utilize better the agreement TA - UA. I think two key UA's hubs are enough: LAX [Pacific bound] and maybe IAD [Atlantic bound].

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:43 am



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 111):

I would assume poor loads for DL SAP-ATL as well, based on the 5x weekly with 738.

SAP has done very poorly for them. I'm surprised they haven't pulled out. Same with MGA.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:05 am

November 17th.
New flight in Central America.
TA initiates SAL-OAK today.

TA 564........SAL 19:00.........OAK 23:00........319.......Mo, Th, Sa
TA 565........OAK 00:30........SAL 07:50.........319.......Tu, Fr, Su

TA has divided services to the Bay area.
They keep SAL-SFO-SAL 8x weekly.

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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:32 am

QR in PTY looking for flight attendants (In Spanish).
After those who went to find out more about QR recruiting in Panama City said, CM shouldn't worry about a massive flight crew migration to Qatar.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:29 pm

New pilot agreement for CM
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:58 am



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 125):
those who went to find out more about QR recruiting in Panama City

The article doesn't mention what qualifications these applicants need to have, but probably no prior f/a experience is required. Compensation apparently wasn't as attractive as some were expecting, however.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:11 pm

Both our local airlines (Tropic and Maya Island) have been temporarily banned from flying BZE-FRS which they do 2xdaily each due to the new status of Guatemala (CAT). Apparently both parties are working on a temporary solution....but a long term solution looks doubtful.

So looks like all those tourists going to Tikal for the day will have to go by bus now.....
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:11 pm



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 128):
BZE-FRS which they do 2xdaily each due to the new status of Guatemala (CAT).

Pardon my ignorance.. Can you explain a bit more on this . I am not familiar on how Guatemala's status affect flights from BZE
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:16 pm



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 128):
due to the new status of Guatemala (CAT)

I don't understand. The FAA's International Aviation Safety Assessment 7/3/07 results show Guatemala back at Cat 1 with only Belize and Honduras as Cat 2 in CentAm.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:13 pm



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 130):
I don't understand. The FAA's International Aviation Safety Assessment 7/3/07 results show Guatemala back at Cat 1 with only Belize and Honduras as Cat 2 in CentAm.

Know one knows exact REAL reason except the guat authorities. some suspect that they are trying to kill off the competition in an attempt to launch FRS originating flights....like Tikal jets tried to do...but evidently some of the lodges in FRS are up in arms about the loss of the those very high paying tourists.

Link to story below.

http://www.channel5belize.com



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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:38 pm



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 130):
I don't understand. The FAA's International Aviation Safety Assessment 7/3/07 results show Guatemala back at Cat 1 with only Belize and Honduras as Cat 2 in CentAm.

I'm puzzled as well...

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 131):
some suspect that they are trying to kill off the competition in an attempt to launch FRS originating flights

Is there such a thing as a Guatemalan airline, though?  Wow!

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 131):
Time for a new thread CarmenLU!

Any good suggestions for the title?  Wink
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:01 pm



Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 132):
Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 131):
Time for a new thread CarmenLU!

Any good suggestions for the title?

Something related with Panama.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:02 pm



Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 132):
Any good suggestions for the title?

Central American Thread - Part XV: Better than Noche Buena!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:43 pm



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 133):
Something related with Panama.

2nd that. "Balboa es para hombres" "Destapa tu orgullo, Cerveza Panamá"
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:58 pm



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 131):
No one knows exact REAL reason

"the ban involves Guatemala's requirement that all airlines flying to the country have a valid Air Operator's Certificate. Although Belize's local airlines, which each fly twice daily to FRS, were notified six months ago, they have not been able to complete the necessary technical paperwork."

All right, I see what's going on. So what's the big deal with these folks putting in a few overtime hours, finishing up the darn paperwork and turning it over to Guatemala's Aeronautica Civil as requested?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:09 pm



Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 133):
Something related with Panama.

I would agree given that November is Panama's mes de la Patria

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 131):
Link to story below.

Checked out the current Belikin Beer calendar girls while at it. My picks were Shanna Pott and Tiffara Jones (Nov. and Dec. respectively) Big grin
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:08 am



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 128):
Both our local airlines (Tropic and Maya Island) have been temporarily banned from flying BZE-FRS which they do 2xdaily each due to the new status of Guatemala (CAT). Apparently both parties are working on a temporary solution....but a long term solution looks doubtful.

So looks like all those tourists going to Tikal for the day will have to go by bus now.....

That sounds bad, well they will have to compromise as the routes are important for FRS

Quoting Carmenlu15 (Reply 132):

Is there such a thing as a Guatemalan airline, though?

hahaha good joke Big grin, sad... but good joke
nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:01 pm



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 136):
All right, I see what's going on. So what's the big deal with these folks putting in a few overtime hours, finishing up the darn paperwork and turning it over to Guatemala's Aeronautica Civil as requested?

Overtime? Obviously you have never had to deal with Belizean Governmental Authorities..efficient they are not.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:08 am



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 139):
Overtime? Obviously you have never had to deal with Belizean Governmental Authorities..efficient they are not.

So do you think it's actually the Belizean Department of Civil Aviation (and its inefficiency) that's causing both PM and MW to be in non-compliance with the new requirements set forth by the Guatemalan authorities?
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:58 pm



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 140):
So do you think it's actually the Belizean Department of Civil Aviation (and its inefficiency) that's causing both PM and MW to be in non-compliance with the new requirements set forth by the Guatemalan authorities?

YES..I deal with these people every day....and they have to approve the documents, do inspections etc....
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:12 pm

Is CM PTY-IAD not performing as they had expected?  irked 
That flight keeps coming on CM weekend-travel promo fares far too often... For this weekend is less than USD300 (w/o taxes, surcharges).  yummy 
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:29 am



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 142):
Is CM PTY-IAD not performing as they had expected?

All the passengers end the flight at IAD.
IMHO, the success for the Central American carriers into U.S. points are likely based on:
a. Those U.S. destinations where connections are possible regarding their respective code-share agreements and given by their air partners.
b. Those regions with sizeable origin-destination traffic where high yields are granted for the air carriers: Los Angeles [especially from Guatemala and El Salvador], South Florida and New York City area.
Probably, this situation is hurting the loads for CM PTY-IAD.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:16 am



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 142):
For this weekend is less than USD300 (w/o taxes, surcharges).

It was US$269 to be exact. Add US$237.63 in taxes and surcharges (61% of that for fuel) and the fare comes to US$506.63, far from Copa's original marketing concept of an "irresistibles!" offer.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:07 pm



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 144):
It was US$269 to be exact. Add US$237.63 in taxes and surcharges (61% of that for fuel) and the fare comes to US$506.63, far from Copa's original marketing concept of an "irresistibles!" offer.

And how does it compare to CM cheapest non-weekend promo PTY-IAD-PTY fare??

Washington isn't NYC where at least CM could get some PTY-JFK O/D traffic.
@ IAD, CM doesn't have any connections to available upon arrival and I doubt Westcoast - IAD red-eyes could be counted as connecting traffic to PTY.
Salvadoreans and Guatemalans, which are a lot in DC/Maryland/Virgina area would rather fly TA to IAD than CM via PTY.
I think IAD is not performing as CM wishes.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:24 pm

Carmen...where art thou?

we need a new thread here and according to the posts....they want it to be about Panama.....but I don't recall the Panamanian beer name!
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Mon Nov 26, 2007 10:50 pm



Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 146):
but I don't recall the Panamanian beer name!

Panama (longneck bottle, my favorite!), Balboa, Soberana, Atlas.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:01 pm



Quoting Luisca (Reply 147):
Panama (longneck bottle, my favorite!), Balboa, Soberana, Atlas.

And the gone but not forgotten HB and Cristal. Sadly for thousands of Panamanians, those brands felt victims of Globalization, by a Colombian Brewery giant and a Dutch-Costarican Brewery partnership respectively.
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RE: Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI

Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:47 am



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 145):
Washington isn't NYC where at least CM could get some PTY-JFK O/D traffic.
@ IAD, CM doesn't have any connections to available upon arrival and I doubt Westcoast - IAD red-eyes could be counted as connecting traffic to PTY.

Red-eye allocations are working properly for other routes originated in Central America though.
I agree connections could not support CM PTY-IAD. For example, passengers from BOG to IAD may choose daylight operations and given by U.S. carriers instead the services offered by the Central American airlines.
Nonetheless, CM is interestingly getting 21x weekly PTY-MIA and 12x weekly PTY-MCO, sustained supposedly for connections through PTY.
CM should be focusing to leisure traffic in some of the stations where they use to fly: CUN, PUJ and ADZ, whereas MCO and CTG would have a high participation of such traveling group.
With respect to Panamanian beers: nothing better than a Balboa in Amador Causeway !
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