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Early TWA 747 Document With 9 Across Economy!

Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:37 pm

Saw this little jem on ebay.

Early TWA 747
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RE: Early TWA 747 Document With 9 Across Economy!

Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:39 pm

If I recall correctly, TWA also had an interesting numbering system on their 747s.

The aircraft was divided into Zones. The rows were numbered as were the seats.

So your seat could be Zone E, seat 44-7.
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RE: Early TWA 747 Document With 9 Across Economy!

Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:41 pm

I kind of thought the Flight Wing One was pretty interesting all on its own!

Though it was nine abreast...they still could pack-em-in. first class looks like econ+!
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RE: Early TWA 747 Document With 9 Across Economy!

Wed Oct 31, 2007 1:43 pm

There is one such photo on A.net


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Economy configurations were more comfortable back then, for example 8-abreast in an AA DC-10


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RE: Early TWA 747 Document With 9 Across Economy!

Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:50 pm

the DC10 cabin looks like a Il86!
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RE: Early TWA 747 Document With 9 Across Economy!

Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:21 am

Virtually all early 747s were 9-abreast in economy with at least 34 inch seat pitch (some up to about 36 inches). This started to gradually change to 10-abreast by the mid to late 1970s when traffic started to pick up and fill the huge increase in capacity that occurred when the early 747s replaced 707s and DC-8s on many routes. By about 1980 there were very few if any 747s left with 9-abreast Y seating.

Business class of course didn't exist when the 747 first went into service and first class was much less spacious than today's first class products (and most business class products) on widebodies. First class on early 747s had standard seats much like those in US domestic first class today and with about 40 to 42 inch seat pitch, but there was a first class lounge on the upper deck. Some carriers also had economy class lounges on 747s (and DC-10s and L1011s) in those years. The lounges also gradually disappeared as traffic picked up.

As already mentioned, most DC-10s and L1011s were 8-abreast in Y class for the first few years which was comparable to 9-abreast on 747s.

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RE: Early TWA 747 Document With 9 Across Economy!

Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:25 am

L-1011s at Delta and Eastern were both originally 2-4-2, with a double-wide armrest in the very center. It was advertised as "2+2" seating. Later, the financial geniuses that run our lives figured out that you really COULD put an extra seat in an L10 or D10 or 747... and we ended up with 2-5-2 and 3-4-3 respectively.
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RE: Early TWA 747 Document With 9 Across Economy!

Thu Nov 01, 2007 2:01 am

Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 6):
L-1011s at Delta and Eastern were both originally 2-4-2, with a double-wide armrest in the very center. It was advertised as "2+2" seating. Later, the financial geniuses that run our lives figured out that you really COULD put an extra seat in an L10 or D10 or 747... and we ended up with 2-5-2 and 3-4-3 respectively.
Bummer.

Its more completx than that. ALOT more complex than that.

One of the many things that changed is later models of the planes usualy got more payload/range, thus making POSSIBLE higher density configurations.

Or with deregulation, they suddenly HAD to follow the demand curve with thier pricing

Things of that nature.

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