AussieItaliano
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:23 am

Does anyone know where the slot is coming from?
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:27 am

About time! The last time a US carrier flew Denver-London was Continental, with a DC10-30 from Stapleton to Gatwick.

Hooray!
 
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:42 am

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 50):

IIRC the slots are coming from Air Canada, I could very well be wrong, but United will not suspend any of its current frequencies to London as of APR08. United will operate 3x daily from Chicago, 2x daily from San Francisco, 4x daily from Washington Dulles, and 1x each from the Los Angeles and Denver hubs, respectively, for 11 daily rotations.
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Fri Nov 02, 2007 2:44 am

Quoting BA (Reply 49):
Perhaps 9/11 did have something to do with it not returning, but you're both right, it wasn't a good performer to begin with.

The announcement that the flight would not return, IIRC, was made before 9/11.
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Fri Nov 02, 2007 3:34 am

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 51):
About time! The last time a US carrier flew Denver-London was Continental, with a DC10-30 from Stapleton to Gatwick.

The first DEN-London (LGW) nonstop service was Western Airlines in April 1981 as part of their short-lived (about 18 months) transatlantic operation which also included an unusual HNL-ANC-LGW service which began a few months earlier. Western acquired one DC-10-30 from NZ for those routes. They also used their own DC-10-10s on occasion on the HNL-ANC-LGW route, probably with payload restrictions on the ANC-LGW sector.


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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:18 am

I hope this brings prices down, not that BA's are too bad as they are now, usually starting around 800 dollars. I plan on going to London in the spring. Kind of wish United would have done some other European city, like Paris or Rome. A lot of people are doing shopping over here due to the strong Euro. I would think that that would help lift loads on other possible European cities, along with the great tourism here. Hope more airlines give Denver a chance, as far as international connections go.
 
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Fri Nov 02, 2007 8:50 am

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 50):
Does anyone know where the slot is coming from?

UnitedNRT is correct as far as I know, I just wonder howmany other slots UA can use to expand ops. They leased one or more to VS IIRC, perhaps someone else could clarify?
 
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:01 pm

In terms of all the UA to NRT talk...I can confidently say that DIA still sees an ANA 787 on this route as the more-likely scenario. ANA and DIA have been having periodic meetings concerning this. DIA and UA meetings have not gone nearly as well. My source - DIA route marketing (a neighbor of mine). This is the last I heard (about a week ago).
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Fri Nov 02, 2007 10:42 pm

DIA,

I've heard the exact same as well and this is what was reported in the Denver Post not too long ago.
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Sat Nov 03, 2007 12:29 am

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 54):
They also used their own DC-10-10s on occasion on the HNL-ANC-LGW route, probably with payload restrictions on the ANC-LGW sector.

No doubt, though the route's surprisingly short.... 752 capable.
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:06 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 59):
752 capable

ANC-LGW is 4514 mi vs. EWR-TXL at 3980 mi. People constantly say EWR-TXL pushes the extremes in terms of range of the 757 TATL. Is that incorrect?
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:31 am

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 60):
People constantly say EWR-TXL pushes the extremes in terms of range of the 757 TATL. Is that incorrect?

It does for CO because their 757HGW isn't as HGW was some other airlines.

but either way 4500nm is too much. The only thing I could think is maybe it can be flown with the wind both ways due to polar proximity? Then maybe it would work, but I still doubt it...
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:51 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 61):
It does for CO because their 757HGW isn't as HGW was some other airlines.

There is no such thing as a 757HGW. Further, CO's aircraft are not only rated to the full 255,000 pounds, but the winglets given them the maximum possible range.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 60):
People constantly say EWR-TXL pushes the extremes in terms of range of the 757 TATL.

It doesn't push the extremes, but it can require a fuel stop when winds are very heavy.
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:21 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 60):
People constantly say EWR-TXL pushes the extremes in terms of range of the 757 TATL. Is that incorrect?

It's true, though further routes have been opped with that aircraft in scheduled service. Keep in mind that the dynamics of operating E/W over the N.Atlantic are different than N/S and different that transpolar.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 61):
It does for CO because their 757HGW isn't as HGW was some other airlines.

What on God's green Earth are you talking about?
1) there's no such thing as a "757HGW"
2) CO's 752s are all certified to the highest MTOW and operating profile that's possible for that model.


Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 61):
but either way 4500nm is too much.

Pay attention, the route's not 4500nm
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:31 pm

ANC-LGW is 3922nm. That's about 400nm and change further than EWR-TXL.
 
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Sat Nov 03, 2007 4:36 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 62):
There is no such thing as a 757HGW.

Interesting, on the 109th page here it says about CO's 757s:

Quoting http://www.secinfo.com/dsvr4.8632.htm:

We understand that, while they are being delivered as "standard" aircraft with 230,000 pounds takeoff weight, the B757s have the physical specifications of high gross weight and Extended Twin Overwater Operations (ETOPS) and can be re-certified as such without physical changes to the aircraft.

I wonder what they're talking about in an SEC report?
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:29 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 65):
I wonder what they're talking about in an SEC report?

they're talking about the specs on those aircraft as they were 10 years ago when the report was presented.....
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AeroWesty
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:30 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 66):
they're talking about the specs on those aircraft as they were 10 years ago when the report was presented.

Of course, but they use the language "high gross weight" nonetheless. We were talking about if there is a HGW version of the 757 on this tangent. Doesn't matter the date of the report, only if there is such a beast.
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RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

Sat Nov 03, 2007 5:56 pm

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 67):
they use the language "high gross weight" nonetheless.

Airline internal designation has no bearing on the official/technical state of being for any model.

Lest you forget other classic examples such as:
  • BA differentiating some aircraft as 772IGWs and its G-YMM* series as 772ERs, despite both being 772ERs.
  • SQ only referring to its 9V-SV* series as 772ERs, despite the fact that all of its 772s are 772ERs.
  • AZ referring to several of its 763ERs as "764", despite the fact that only DL and CO op the 764ER in commercial service.
  • DL referring to some of its former 733s as "73G", despite that being widely used to describe the 737-700.
  • etc
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    AeroWesty
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    RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

    Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:10 pm

    Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 68):
    Airline internal designation has no bearing on the official/technical state of being for any model.

    I'm not forgetting a thing. This wasn't the airline referring to the 757 as HGW, it was their aircraft valuation company referring to it as such.
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    RE: United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop

    Sat Nov 03, 2007 8:09 pm

    Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 69):
    This wasn't the airline referring to the 757 as HGW, it was their aircraft valuation company referring to it as such.

    ...when you hear Boeing using the designation-- or anything remotely similar, then "worry" about it.
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