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Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:38 am

Hi folks...
Can anyone here based at LAX tell me the status of American's 767 N330AA?
As some of you may know, this aircraft was nearly destroyed when the number 1 engine exploded during a test, on the maintenance ramp just outside the SuperBay hanger at LAX in June 2006. I've been told that the aircraft is still there, just basically being a giant paperweight.
Since AA originally had a fleet of 17 762ERs...N334AA being destroyed on 9/11, and now N330AA possibly being dismantled, leaving AA with 15 active 762ERs...can anyone here confirm?
All replies & info welcome. Regards.
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 4:41 am

From what I know it is still a giant paper weight in the airport. There looked to be heavy damage, so maybe it wasnt feasible to fix her up.
 
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 5:27 am

I last saw if parked at the old TWA hangar at LAX (inside) with the logo removed from the tail. I think they were going to break it up and haul it away.
 
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:12 am

Quoting Neuroticdave (Reply 1):
From what I know it is still a giant paper weight in the airport. There looked to be heavy damage, so maybe it wasnt feasible to fix her up.

Parts is parts, as Wendy's used to say.

They'll break her up and use her good parts to service the other 15.
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:09 pm

If I remember correctly, the wing and belly damage was severe, and there was some speculation that spars and/or ribs had been damaged.

Setting that aside, the fire damage to the skin itself was, I'm sure, the nail in the coffin ...

That poor beastie got scorched.

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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Fri Nov 02, 2007 9:19 pm

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Thread starter):
leaving AA with 15 active 762ERs...can anyone here confirm?

Yes, there are indeed 15 762ERs left in the fleet: 319-325, 327-329, 332, 335, 336, 338, 339

I'm pretty sure 330 was written off; however, I don't know what the plans are from here.
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:27 am

Last I heard the aircraft was to be parted out and broken up at LAX, far to much fire damage.

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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 2:31 pm

Was N330AA damaged more than Delta's MD-11 in ATL that had a similar problem...? That plane was eventually restored... Mainly because it was a leased aircraft... or least thats what I heard... Just curious...

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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 3:38 pm

So with 15 active 762ERs, they just sold one to ABX Air, does anyone know which aircraft that will be?
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:48 pm

FloridaFlyBoy (reply 8)...I'm not aware of an AA 762ER being sold to ABX. Can you elaborate on this? Are you certain that this sold aircraft is an -ER type, and not a non-ER, which AA has several parked in the boneyard?
I'm reasonably convinced that AA is hanging on to the 15 -ERs and upgrading the airframes & cabins for a few more years of revenue service.
BTW, does anyone know if Delta sold all of their remaining 762s (14) to ABX? We know that N102DL was preserved for the company's museum.
Thanks to everyone for your replies. Regards.
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:54 pm

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 9):
BTW, does anyone know if Delta sold all of their remaining 762s (14) to ABX? We know that N102DL was preserved for the company's museum.

Yes, Delta sold all their 762s to ABX except 102. All have been delivered except one as far as I've been told. As to the aircraft from American, you are correct, it's a non-ER. My bad.
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Sat Nov 03, 2007 7:07 pm

I walked around ship 330 after the fire, and there is no way that frame will fly again. The heat pretty much melted the flaps and canoes, as well as the wing fairings. The fuselage has severe heat damage, and most stringers aft of the wing are rippled out. The windows were charred, melted and distorted, and the tail took quite a bit of heat as well. Not to mention the destroyed engine(s), holes in the wing, fuselage and nacelles from the ejected metal from #1, and that poor bird was doomed right from the start. Thank GOD that didn't happen at V1.


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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 12:34 am

AndrewUber (reply 11), after reading your assessment of the airframe, then viewing the photo...I agreed with you. This bird is grounded permanently now. As someone else said here..."parts is parts", and that's all N330AA is good for now.
Thanks again to everyone for your replies & info here.
Best regards.
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 4:23 pm

What exactly happened leading up the explosion. I seem to remember reading somewhere that on landing before the explosion, the pilot reported some erratic behavior from engine #1, which would have explained why it was getting maintenance done in the first place.

As said above, THANK GOD it did not happen at V1 or worse.. during climb-out. That was a tragedy averted by some quick thinking pilots and mechanics who decided to pull the aircraft Out of Service.
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:16 pm

There WAS a YouTube video of the fire in progress on N330AA. It seems that it is either deleted or I just cannot find it. Does anyone know where that video is and post it here?

Its sad that aircraft is a complete loss. Thank goodness there were no pax on that aircraft.
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 6:40 pm

Doesn't AA still have several B-767-200s parked at MCI? Are any, or all of those airplanes ERs?
 
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Sun Nov 04, 2007 8:31 pm

According to atdb.org, here are some answers:
1. 762ER N330AA was removed from the AA fleet on June 2nd/2006. Hulk remains at LAX.
2. There are no reported 762's stored at MCI any longer.

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 8):
So with 15 active 762ERs, they just sold one to ABX Air, does anyone know which aircraft that will be?

762 N312AA (non-ER) and not currently in AA service has been sold to ABX for dely in 2008. No indication that any of the current 15 active 762ER are leaving the fleet (yet). Was removed from AA service in Oct 2003.
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:12 pm

Slightly off topic, but out of curiosity, when did AA stop using its 762ERs on intercontinental flights? ...2001?

Anyone know the last route to be opped?
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:31 pm

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 17):
Anyone know the last route to be opped?

2001.

ORD-GLA, ORD-BHX, ORD-ARN and Heathrow all saw 767-200s scheduled during Summer 2001. ORD-ARN was dropped in Oct 2001, ORD-BHX was made seasonal and returned as a 767-300 in 2002. Heathrow became an all 767-300/777 station post 9-11.

Either ORD-ARN or ORD-GLA was the last scheduled AA 767-200 across the Atlantic.
 
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:43 pm

Has anyone found that video of N330AA burning?? I swore I saw it a few months ago on YouTube, now its gone.
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:55 pm

Quoting ElmoTheHobo (Reply 18):
Either ORD-ARN or ORD-GLA was the last scheduled AA 767-200 across the Atlantic.

I flew ORD-ZRH on a 762 in 1998, and it was a nice flight. I was in F, and the meal was fantastic, better than the current F intercontinental meals on AA, and better than my recent F meals on QF as well. And the PTVs with hi-8 video tapes you borrowed was as close to "on demand" as you got then. You "demand it" from the FA, then you turn it "on"...  Smile
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:56 am

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 19):
Has anyone found that video of N330AA burning?? I swore I saw it a few months ago on YouTube, now its gone.

looked but i cannot find it either.
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 7:12 am

I remember someone mentioning that N330AA could be used as a Fire trainer for the Los Angeles Airport Fire Department at LAX.

Could this be a possibility?

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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Tue Nov 06, 2007 11:58 am

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 10):
Yes, Delta sold all their 762s to ABX except 102.

Two of DL's 767's went to Star Air, ships 107 and 108.
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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

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RE: Status Of American's 762 N330AA?

Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:07 am

LAX fire department blog item re the AA incident may be of interest Click the photo following the 2nd paragraph for more photos of the damage.
http://lafd.blogspot.com/2006/06/boe...-767-engine-fire-causes-major.html

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