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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:20 am

I remember when AA used RDU as a hub. It was nice and easy to get from one flight to the next. Does AA still have a strong presence in RDU?? And are they doing any international flights from their???

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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:55 am



Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 50):
Does AA still have a strong presence in RDU?? And are they doing any international flights from their???

Yes, they still have a focus city in Raleigh and offer a daily flight to London.
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:33 am

I don't know if anyone noticed but Google Maps/Google Earth re-indexed Raleigh incl RDU recently (last 3-4 months best I can tell).

Here's a linky to RDU, one can see the shiny new roof of the new T2. Formerly Term C.

Cheers,
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:51 am



Quoting QQflyboy (Reply 6):
You are absolutely right, it is FRA, not AMS. My bad. The funds are in place for FRA, CDG is in the works. It'd be nice if AA took FRA (you know, for variety) and DL took CDG. It seems to make most sense DL would jump on CDG with Skyteam and all, heck, maybe the airport/RTRP are courting AF.

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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:14 pm

Well, here's a question...

With CLT have a large US Maintenance hanger (or multiple, not sure) and GSO having a Skybus and Comair Maintenance facility, what's the chances of RDU getting some maintenance hangers? I mean, one was supposed to be built for AA and DL but they never got constructed.. and the inital idea was to have up to 5 maintenance hangers on site.. does anyone think they will ever get built? Does anyone know if this idea is being considered by an airline?
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:01 pm

Alright... I've got some excellent news here!  yes 
This is not related to any upgraded or new passenger service, but is probably even better.
Here it is: it looks like UPS is going to be bringing in the MD-11 during this year's holiday rush!  bigthumbsup 
UPS1278 early this morning, normally an A306 or DC87, was an MD-11. Both of the SDF-MSP flights, also normally A306's, were both MD-11's and will continue to be through the holidays, so I'm pretty sure this will be the same case for UPS' SDF-RDU flight. The only bad thing is that it arrives before sunrise, so no realistic chances (unless you're an early morning person) of spotting its arrival. But it will probably depart back for SDF at around 10PM, so it will be sitting on the UPS ramp all day long. Also, even though it will be dark when the MD-11 goes back "home," I highly recommend watching its departure - those things on short flights like RDU-SDF climb like ROCKETS!  up 

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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:09 pm



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 54):
With CLT have a large US Maintenance hanger (or multiple, not sure) and GSO having a Skybus and Comair Maintenance facility, what's the chances of RDU getting some maintenance hangers? I mean, one was supposed to be built for AA and DL but they never got constructed.. and the inital idea was to have up to 5 maintenance hangers on site.. does anyone think they will ever get built? Does anyone know if this idea is being considered by an airline?

I don't see why any U.S. airline would ever need nor want a maintenance hanger in RDU. All the majors have line maintenance hangars at their hubs and other major cities around the U.S. closer to the center of their operations, and after all, most U.S. airlines (except AA and to a much lesser extent Delta) don't even do heavy maintenance anymore, so there's really no need anymore to have big maintenance hangars in-house.

That being said, who knows? Maybe an airline will build something in RDU - maybe even Eagle in a few years if they keep up their presence there. Or, perhaps more likely (though still not much, if you ask me), a third-party outsource maintenance vendor might build something there. Although, there again, it's important to note that TIMCO - I believe one of the largest outsourced maintenance vendors in the U.S. - has a huge base at nearby GSO.
 
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:35 pm



Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 52):
I don't know if anyone noticed but Google Maps/Google Earth re-indexed Raleigh incl RDU recently (last 3-4 months best I can tell).

Here's a linky to RDU, one can see the shiny new roof of the new T2. Formerly Term C.

Cheers,
-R

Hmm neat,
I am going to go with Late May early June. New 540 doesn't have paint on it yet, and they opened it up in july.
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:19 pm

there's pretty good traffic on 23L in that photo


Future Airlines..........Which airline do you think is next to RDU and destination

I like Allegiant to LAS or florida
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:24 pm



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 58):

Future Airlines..........Which airline do you think is next to RDU and destination

I like Allegiant to LAS or florida

Not in a million years. Allegiant doesn't fly to primary airports.
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:27 pm



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 58):
Which airline do you think is next to RDU and destination

Most likely candidate: Virgin America

Most likely new destination: SFO

But the two do not necessarily mean concensus..
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:16 am



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 46):
If Midway was still around does anyone think it would have expanded long haul?

Long Haul did not go well for JI and they tried it with several different routings including: RDU-LAX-LAS-RDU// RDU-SJC// RDU-DEN// RDU-HDN (seasonal only). The Denver flights did pretty well but like the Steamboat Springs flights they were late in the game. The San Jose flights started off nicely but TW started running RDU-STL-SFO and they offered the AA miles that JI no longer could offer. It would be interesting to see what type of route map they would have now if they had stayed afloat, but they made the fatal error of trying to grow too big too fast and compounded it by leasing too many aircraft, numbers and models, and then the recession hit. They really were an excellent airline - great people, clean planes with all leather seating, Green Mountain coffee and laid back and friendly flight crews.

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Poor JI, great airline - everything that could go wrong did.

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Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 52):
Tears to JI. My HD crashed on my old laptop and I lost a photo of 3 F100's flying in wingtip formation from RDU-ISO to wait for their fate to be determined. I think I have another copy somewhere, I must dig it up...

If you can't locate it let me know and I'll email it to ya!  Smile

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 59):
Not in a million years. Allegiant doesn't fly to primary airports

I agree 1000% percent. Allegiant might take a peak at INT but that would also be extremely unlikely
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:20 am



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 60):

Most likely candidate: Virgin America

Most likely new destination: SFO

But the two do not necessarily mean concensus..

I'd put most likely as Frontier. Chances of Virgin at RDU within the next three years are pretty close to zero.
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:15 am



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 62):
I'd put most likely as Frontier. Chances of Virgin at RDU within the next three years are pretty close to zero.

And I will have to counter your offer.. Chances of Frontier at RDU within the next three years are just as close to zero.. I think VA will be here much sooner than you think..
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:25 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 63):
I think VA will be here much sooner than you think..

I guess we'll wait and see. Virgin America's expansion plans are going to be slow, steady, and focus on major markets. They aren't looking to serve medium-sized markets, nor enter a market just because it has no SFO service. Within three years, they will will likely not even reach 30 cities, if even, and Raleigh most likely won't be one of them.

This is the problem with putting out a list of 40+ cities in a PR. It gets hopes up everywhere, especially in Sarasota.

[Edited 2007-11-21 03:27:06]
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:18 pm

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 48):
It looks like DL is going from 7 or more daily 757's on RDU-ATL to 3x daily 757's as of 1/3/08. Probably just a seasonal decrease in capacity.



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 49):
DL's RDU winter schedule is usually mostly MD80s, some 738, and a 757 or two.. so having 3 is actually very good..

Does Delta usually switch aircraft types this often? It seems like every time I am trying to fly home or head west through Atlanta Delta always seems to be switching up the aircraft types coming into RDU. Also, this summer I was on an ex-Song plane that was outfitted w/ the AVOD system from RDU to ATL, do these typically fly into RDU? One other question, does anyone think that Delta and Delta Connection will eventually pass American and American Eagle in terms of number of flights out of RDU in the near future?

[Edited 2007-11-21 06:19:44]
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Wed Nov 21, 2007 2:29 pm



Quoting Rdukid (Reply 65):
One other question, does anyone think that Delta and Delta Connection will eventually pass American and American Eagle in terms of number of flights out of RDU in the near future?

I don't think so unless Delta adds more RJ to RDU.. I think Delta is moving towards larger aircraft on new destinations than higher frequency.
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:25 pm



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 66):
I don't think so unless Delta adds more RJ to RDU.. I think Delta is moving towards larger aircraft on new destinations than higher frequency.

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Yep, and that's evidenced by the 738 they've been sending to and from GSP.
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:33 pm



Quoting Rdukid (Reply 65):
does anyone think that Delta and Delta Connection will eventually pass American and American Eagle in terms of number of flights out of RDU in the near future?

absolutely not

Frontier will definetly come before Virgin Atlantic
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:22 am



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 64):
I guess we'll wait and see. Virgin America's expansion plans are going to be slow, steady, and focus on major markets. They aren't looking to serve medium-sized markets, nor enter a market just because it has no SFO service. Within three years, they will will likely not even reach 30 cities, if even, and Raleigh most likely won't be one of them.

I have to concur with MAH. I think if you step back and look at things realistically, I just don't see any scenario in which Virgin would be considering RDU-SFO at this point. IMHO, one would be more likely to see WN begin RDU-SFO or RDU-OAK or re-route the LAS nonstop as RDU-LAS-SFO before Virgin is going to get in the game with regard to RDU. In fact there are three other scenarios out there also that could be possibilities depending on aircraft availability. UA could do RDU-DEN-SFO, DL could do RDU-SLC-SFO and even AA could do RDU-ORD-SFO. They are just too many more realistic opportunities for any of those carriers to look at starting transcontinental service from SFO before Virgin would even entertain the idea. I just don't see Virgin leap-frogging destinations like MCO, TPA, MIA, or even FLL before RDU gets that service.

I just believe that any of the ones I named: WN, UA, DL, or AA would have a greater chance of looking at RDU-SFO as a new direct flight with the possibility of nonstop a less realistic choice before Virgin ever arrives.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see a daily Virgin out of RDU heading to the Bay area, I am just not willing to place any "money" on seeing them at RDU any time soon.

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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:47 am

Any additional thoughts on my post regarding possible RDU to the BAY flights?

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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Sat Nov 24, 2007 12:51 am



Quoting Womack17 (Reply 70):
Any additional thoughts on my post regarding possible RDU to the BAY flights?

If it happens, it's going to be UA, IMO.

Southwest ended many trans-cons from BWI and PHL this fall, and I don't see them suddenly going for RDU-SFO/OAK/SJC.

Delta Airlines is having some trouble making RDU-LAX work on a daily frequency, and doesn't have a large operation at SFO. That's easy to rule out.

American Airlines has more important priorities in trans-con than dedicating a 738 to RDU-SFO.

UA, though, has a great hub to feed at SFO. It makes the most sense.
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:58 am

Could a RDU-OKC be in the cards on MQ on an ER3?
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:25 am

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 72):
Could a RDU-OKC be in the cards on MQ on an ER3?

No. There's a better chance of MIA-OKC or LGA-OKC happening, and neither of those is happening anytime soon.

[Edited 2007-11-23 20:25:53]
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:51 am



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 72):
Could a RDU-OKC be in the cards on MQ on an ER3?

Jeez, that's about as far-fetched as the RDU-SDF flights!
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:13 am



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 71):
Delta Airlines is having some trouble making RDU-LAX work on a daily frequency, and doesn't have a large operation at SFO. That's easy to rule out.

That's discouraging to hear I must admit. I have flown on these particular flights about 9 times already and have been thoroughly satisfied with the exception service.

MAH - one quick question I am hoping you will answer for me - How are the 6 (3 in each direction) MIA-RDU flights producing. My aunt was on the last flight out of Raleigh going to Miami about 3 weeks ago and she said the plane was absolutely PACKED

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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:37 am



Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 21):
I wouldn't care if it's a DH8 to YUL.. I just want to see a flight to YUL.. NC and Canada have lots of ties economically and politically.. and I would love to see a flight there..

US can't even support RJs on CLT-YUL, and that's with a hub on one end and a partner on the other.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 56):
most U.S. airlines (except AA and to a much lesser extent Delta) don't even do heavy maintenance anymore,

US Airways still does most of their heavy maintenance in-house.
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:16 am



Quoting Womack17 (Reply 75):
MAH - one quick question I am hoping you will answer for me - How are the 6 (3 in each direction) MIA-RDU flights producing. My aunt was on the last flight out of Raleigh going to Miami about 3 weeks ago and she said the plane was absolutely PACKED

They do fine, as they always have. Loyal FF base on both ends, no non-stop competition from MIA, and RDU sends a decent amount of connections to the Caribbean/Central America.

The surprise star performer, though, is MIA-CLT. It's at 6x daily now, thanks to Bank of America.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 76):

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 21):
I wouldn't care if it's a DH8 to YUL.. I just want to see a flight to YUL.. NC and Canada have lots of ties economically and politically.. and I would love to see a flight there..

US can't even support RJs on CLT-YUL, and that's with a hub on one end and a partner on the other.

Exactly, and that's a Star hub-to-hub route on top of that. RDU-YUL is one of those "probably never going to happen" routes. Sorry, but Carolina's ties to Canada aren't that strong.
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:21 am

A little more AA info...

STL is probably going back to Eagle/Connection, loads and yields have not increased much from the initial increase. Seems this route needs an aircraft between an M80 and ERJ.

The afternoon M80 to LGA is full almost everyday. The return is always full as well but is averaging a :45min delay every day.
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:15 pm

Does AA send any 757s to RDU on a regular basis?
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:21 pm



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 79):
Does AA send any 757s to RDU on a regular basis?

Nope.. not a single one..
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:13 am

dang that sucks I think they used to right? to places like DFW?
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:17 am



Quoting ThegreatRDU (Reply 81):
dang that sucks

No it doesn't. It's tough to find a domestic airplane more uncomfortable than AA's 757s.
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:39 am



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 74):
Jeez, that's about as far-fetched as the RDU-SDF flights!

Ironically, I just moved back to Raleigh, and my new profession (non-aviation) is going to require me to fly between RDU-SDF once-twice a month. Too bad there prob won't be a non-stop come Feb.
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Mon Dec 03, 2007 8:17 pm

RDU back over 10 million in 2007. First time since 2000.

It appears RDU has made it back to a traffic level last seen when it was a hub. Now as a Principally O&D facility RDU has 10 million total passengers. From the stats it appears RDU has to average about 811,500 for the last two months, which should be easily reached if it exceeds the numbers from last Nov/Dec by 400 passengers. Based on the current growth this year so far of 7.4% in passengers, it would seem that Nortel should exceed the 10 million by about 120,000.
Of course if growth is a bit slower for Nov/Dec I will say the number will come in at about 80,000 over
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Tue Dec 04, 2007 3:35 am



Quoting CasInterest (Reply 84):
RDU back over 10 million in 2007. First time since 2000.

That is most excellent news and really nice to see. That 2000 figure occurred while JI still had a very busy hub at RDU so it sure is nice to see the numbers back in that range again. Thanks for the info!!

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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Tue Dec 04, 2007 9:28 pm

that's great news Big grin
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RE: RDU-Update Fall 2007

Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:56 am



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 71):
American Airlines has more important priorities in trans-con than dedicating a 738 to RDU-SFO.

I COMPLETELY agree with that statement. My reference to RDU-SFO on AA was a direct flight on one of the S80's - say:

RDU-ORD-SFO-ORD-RDU

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