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A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Sun Nov 04, 2007 11:54 pm

I hope I am not wrong on this, but, it seems amazing to me that we have not yet seen a real, decent photo (side-by-side) comparison between the A380 and 744. Especially given that the A380 is now 'out there.'

I for one, would love to see it.
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:18 am

You would have thought that Airbus might have gone out of their way to do the comparison shot? Hey, it's competitiive and emotional right?
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:20 am

I took the 2 components of this pic at SYD the day SQ380 departed on the return leg of it's charity flights.
I have done my best to align the components so that comparison is valid.

http://www.pbase.com/chrisg/image/88467985.jpg

I had no intent to create this composite that day so it is not hugely scientific.. but close.
(I have devised a more accurate method but not had the chance to do it yet)
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:35 am

Who's gonna be first to call the 747's engines "hair-dryers" now?  Smile

We need to get that A380-900 out there to realize the sheer size of that design.

Note that a comparison from above (I agree, a more challenging spotting stunt) would show a much bigger difference.
I remember seeing such a shot of two 1:500 Herpa Wings models and there is a substantial difference.
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:13 am

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 2):
I took the 2 components of this pic at SYD the day SQ380 departed on the return leg of it's charity flights.
I have done my best to align the components so that comparison is valid.



I had no intent to create this composite that day so it is not hugely scientific.. but close.
(I have devised a more accurate method but not had the chance to do it yet)

Well the tail of the Whale certainly is a lot larger!!! it towers over the other tail!
I was on a 743 the other day at SYD and the A380 was taxiing behind us... we lined up on the runway and were side-by-side... I was quite surprised that the A380 didn't look as big as I thought at all!
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:26 am

Yeah. The A380 doesn't look that much bigger than a 744 in that picture, may be you just have to see it in real life to compare.

[Edited 2007-11-05 03:26:30]
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:32 am

Interesting photo, well done!
Well, size is a matter of several things I guess. Length, width, height, tail height, mtow, etc  Smile
No matter what, I think the A380 *looks* bigger. But no matter how impressive the A380 is, the 747 are and always will be the beautiful one in comparison IMHO. :P
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:42 am

Quoting InbarD (Reply 5):
may be you just have to see it in real life to compare.

Perhaps not.
We in Sydney are, along with our friends in Singapore and at Airbus facilities in Europe, privileged to be somewhat more familiar than most with the A380.
From a ground level observer it is not all that much more impressive than a B747.
From some angles the wings are impressive( I am the first to admit that from an engineering and aesthetic perspective, they are just gorgeous) but overall the aircraft does not seem that much more imposing than the venerable Jumbo.

A touch more wing redesign(than the B748) and a full length upper deck and I do think Boeing, if they cared to, could have achieved the same result... possibly with somewhat less fanfare(and perhaps less angst)

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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:09 pm

Well done StealthZ =)

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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:01 pm

Fantastic work StealthZ.
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:44 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 7):
From some angles the wings are impressive

Agreed. It is the gull-wing shape that catches the eye. Those wings are massive! The fuse looks somewhat stubby. Remember that at 73m it is shorter than the 346 [75.3m] and the 77W [73.9m]
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:50 pm



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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:54 pm

Quoting FlyingSikh (Reply 8):
The 747 in my eyes will always be the queen of the skies

and the 380, I guess, is the king. I guess not as pretty, but neither are men!
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:59 pm

Yeah, it's not much bigger than the 744. Just the tail that's clearly larger and higher. Of course, when I compare 747 and A380 pics, I always think, couldn't the Airbus designers make nicer cockpit windows than the piggy style with the 380? I mean there are some features that really wouldn't have bothered tha practical side of things... That plane has no class. I know that looks is the last thing airlines care about, but when Airbus goes around advertising its size and all that crap, they should've made it look a little nicer...
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:00 pm

The A380 is a levathon, its cockpit is ugly(outside) and has no grace. What ever 38 year old draw back the 744 has it is a graceful bird with its cockpit in the penthouse and first class in the nose. If an elephant could fly it would be an A380.
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:01 pm

That's a fascinating picture, even if not "scientific". It's probably quite close, however.

Nice job!
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:11 pm

While both the A388 and the 747 (all versions) are beautiful aircraft, there is only one Queen of the Skies. And that Ladies and Gentlemen is Her Majesty, the Lockheed Constellation, "Connie".  praise 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:13 pm

Quoting Fridgmus (Reply 16):
While both the A388 and the 747 (all versions) are beautiful aircraft, there is only one Queen of the Skies

I don't know how one can say the A380 is beautiful, especially when they admire the Constellation's majesty...
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:16 pm

Quoting Dambuster (Reply 13):
Yeah, it's not much bigger than the 744. Just the tail that's clearly larger and higher. Of course, when I compare 747 and A380 pics, I always think, couldn't the Airbus designers make nicer cockpit windows than the piggy style with the 380? I mean there are some features that really wouldn't have bothered tha practical side of things... That plane has no class. I know that looks is the last thing airlines care about, but when Airbus goes around advertising its size and all that crap, they should've made it look a little nicer...



Quoting Dambuster (Reply 13):
The A380 is a levathon, its cockpit is ugly(outside) and has no grace. What ever 38 year old draw back the 744 has it is a graceful bird with its cockpit in the penthouse and first class in the nose. If an elephant could fly it would be an A380.

I totally disagree with you guys... I think the A380 looks awesome... I think the problem with most here on a.net is that they have seen the 747 for so long that anything that challenges it and doesn't have a somewhat similar style is in their mind ugly... Try to find out what people thought of the B747 when it first came out, and you'll see what I mean.... However, in 10 years you all will see that as A380 is a regular aircraft at major airports, most people will love everything about the A380, even its looks... It's a matter of a generation... just wait and see...
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:48 pm

Sorry, but IMO, the 380 doesnt even come clsoe to grace and beauty of a 747. Now, true some of us may be biased, others arent....but the curves, angles and comfort can stand up to my ol' 747's....just my take on it.
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:48 pm

Even my little cousin who is 10 thinks it's ugly... It's not a matter of generation, it's more a matter og aestheticism, some people have an eye for beautiful things, others don't have the eye for it. BTW, it's not only the 744, look at the 767, 777 and 787, all beauties. The A330 looks decent, why didn't they do something in the same style?
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:07 pm

Quoting Atnight (Reply 18):
I think the problem with most here on a.net is that they have seen the 747 for so long that anything that challenges it and doesn't have a somewhat similar style is in their mind ugly... Try to find out what people thought of the B747 when it first came out, and you'll see what I mean...

Ok, you got me on that one. I've looked around and haven't found any aesthetic criticisms from way back when. What are you specifically referring to?

I did find some interesting articles, including this cover story from TIME in 1970 about the launch of the 747: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,878679,00.html

It's always fun to read stuff from the past talking about such now-familiar things, and predicting a future that's accurate in some ways and not in others. (Did you know that insurance companies were betting on three 747 crashes in its first year of service?)

My personal favorite excerpt:

"Ground transportation of every variety is already overloaded. Authorities at Kennedy and other airports may eventually have to ban private cars altogether, allowing only buses and taxis to drive up to the terminals. New York's Metropolitan Transportation Authority plans a rail line on an unused right of way of the Long Island Rail Road between J.F.K. and Penn Station to whisk passengers to midtown Manhattan in 20 minutes. But the first trains probably will not be ready until 1974."

Ha!

[Edited 2007-11-05 10:09:17]
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:18 pm

A friend of mine gave me my favorite description of the A380...

"It looks like someone grabbed an A340 by the nose and blew into it like a pufferfish."
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:21 pm

ha ha, nice one!  bigthumbsup   cool   highfive  That one's gonna stay with me for a while!
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:26 pm

Quoting Dambuster (Reply 13):
couldn't the Airbus designers make nicer cockpit windows than the piggy style with the 380? I mean there are some features that really wouldn't have bothered tha practical side of things... That plane has no class. I know that looks is the last thing airlines care about, but when Airbus goes around advertising its size and all that crap, they should've made it look a little nicer...



Quoting Dambuster (Reply 20):
some people have an eye for beautiful things, others don't have the eye for it

Dambuster, what if I don't think the A380 is ugly? I know this may come as an enormous shock to some, but there are some of us who actually like the A380 and don't think its ugly. So are you trying to tell me that I don't have an eye for beautiful things? Perhaps it isn't the most beautiful aircraft ever made but I still find it elegent and gracful.
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:40 pm

The 380 is not pleasing to the eye, but is a technical marvel. The 747 is simply beautiful, and pleasing to the eye. These of course are my personal opinion.
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:44 pm

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 3):
We need to get that A380-900 out there to realize the sheer size of that design.

Yes.I think the real coming out party for the "new queen of the skies" will coincide with the entry of that airplane into the commercial market. We also need an A380-900 to make the plane aesthetically acceptable to the human eye. Sorry, cheerleaders.
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:47 pm

Quoting 747LUVR (Reply 19):
Now, true some of us may be biased

I Agree on here....Well it wouldn't be far amiss to rename this site Boeing.net would it.?
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:51 pm

Quoting Engineergreg (Reply 24):
Dambuster, what if I don't think the A380 is ugly? I know this may come as an enormous shock to some, but there are some of us who actually like the A380 and don't think its ugly. So are you trying to tell me that I don't have an eye for beautiful things? Perhaps it isn't the most beautiful aircraft ever made but I still find it elegent and gracful.
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Well, there are some things that are universally beautiful or universally ugly. The A380 is universally ugly. 'nuff said.
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:00 pm

Quoting Dambuster (Reply 28):
The A380 is universally ugly. 'nuff said.

...in YOUR opinion. However, if there is at least one person with a differing opinion (like me), that makes it NOT universally ugly.

'nuff said.
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:01 pm

in 1969 and 70, when the 747 came out people were in such an aw, as the only comparison was the 707 and dc-8..
look at the two size between those two.. I dont think the size difference is as great of a differnce with the 380..
I dunno, i just have a weird feeling and i dont mean to be downing airbus at all they have good products,, But i just dont think this one , the a 380 is really going to wind up with as many frames built. Im afraid it may be like the concorde a promotional display for a limited number of carriers... Im just really kinda concerned about the size, the composite materials and thinking primarley about safety.. I guess maybe they were saying the same about the 747 but we didnt have the internet then..
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:31 pm

Quoting 4everRC (Reply 29):
...in YOUR opinion. However, if there is at least one person with a differing opinion (like me), that makes it NOT universally ugly.

'nuff said.

More people think it's ugly... I don't even need to prove it, look at this topic  headache 
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:40 pm

Quoting Dambuster (Reply 31):
More people think it's ugly... I don't even need to prove it, look at this topic

I'm not disputing that AT ALL. What I am disputing is that you cannot say it's a universally held opinion unless everyone here feels that way, and there are those of us out here that hold the opinion that it is a beautiful bird.  banghead 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:49 pm

Funny how this has turned in to a "looks contest." Its also funny how some people will stand and say ugly isn't ugly because they want it to be less ugly... as if saying it is not will change the fact. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, so if you like ugly... that is fine. That said, I'm with the many that agrees the A380 is ugly. In fact, it lags behind other large airplanes like the C-5 and AN-124 when it comes to looks. The guys at Airbus were obviously not trying to design a pretty airplane. Function was the priority. Sorry guys... the truth hurts. If it makes you feel better... it is at least better looking than Beluga or the LCF Dreamlifter.
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:49 pm

Quoting Dambuster (Reply 31):
look at this topic

yeah, look at this topic. It's about comparing the B747 and A380 by size, not about your opinion whether the A380 is beautiful or not. You've made 6 posts already, so I'm pretty sure everybody got it. Please stop making stupid and worthless posts.
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:50 pm

I think that both are nice looking planes and the 747 probably does win on looks when it is around the airport but when flying its like the whale jet is infact a whale of the skies and it seems much more at home and graceful up there than the jumbo. Somtimes when you watch a 747 takeoff it almost seems as if it isnt going to make it off the ground, no such with the A380 though.

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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 7:52 pm

Quoting NEMA (Reply 27):
I Agree on here....Well it wouldn't be far amiss to rename this site Boeing.net would it.?

Can't happen. Already redirects to boeing.com.  Wink
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:06 pm

How about just saying that the 747 has some graceful curves that the A380/A340/777/767 all lack?

I think that's a fair thing to say. The A380 has continued the new tradition of a tube with wings on it.

Granted, they are some very cool-looking wings.
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:06 pm

The 747 looks so sleek overhead in that photo, and so much more graceful than the 380. That's easy to see.

IMO if it wasn't for that very ugly nose, the 380 would be a little easier on the eyes. Even so, it's still a beast I want to see flying around, just like the 748.
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:12 pm

Quoting Hentzz (Reply 34):
yeah, look at this topic. It's about comparing the B747 and A380 by size, not about your opinion whether the A380 is beautiful or not. You've made 6 posts already, so I'm pretty sure everybody got it. Please stop making stupid and worthless posts.

Chill, don't be aggressive... I have the right to give my opinion. It's amazing how rude you are. I said the A380 is ugly and most people agree with me, now those who don't agree don't need to jump at me. It's not off topic (at least my first post wasn't) and I'm not here to convince people it's ugly, just defending my point of view. If you have a problem with that, then ignore this topic.
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:34 pm

Quoting StealthZ (Reply 2):
I took the 2 components of this pic at SYD the day SQ380 departed on the return leg of it's charity flights.
I have done my best to align the components so that comparison is valid.

Nice work on the image.  bigthumbsup 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:36 pm

Quoting Hentzz (Reply 34):
yeah, look at this topic. It's about comparing the B747 and A380 by size, not about your opinion whether the A380 is beautiful or not. You've made 6 posts already, so I'm pretty sure everybody got it. Please stop making stupid and worthless posts.

Hear hear! Dear God, when will this meaningless debate ever cease? Sorry Dambuster, your arguments hold little water.

Those of you in SIN and SYD should be able to scout a location where you can get the two planes at the gate in the same frame for comparison purposes? Although the vagaries of distance and telephoto lenses can distort almost anything I suppose. Seeing each airplane in person is likely similar to observing, say, a 763 and a 772 individually in that you don't really see the differences in size until one parks beside the other and it becomes that much more obvious.
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:42 pm

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 30):
But i just dont think this one , the a 380 is really going to wind up with as many frames built. Im afraid it may be like the concorde a promotional display for a limited number of carriers... Im just really kinda concerned about the size, the composite materials and thinking primarley about safety.. I guess maybe they were saying the same about the 747 but we didnt have the internet then..

The 747 "Classics" didn't sell that well either. It was 747-400 that created a new 747 market since it could fly nonstop from Europe to all of Asia, including Hong Kong and Singapore both ways. It took the 744 to fly nonstop to Australia both ways with a full length 747 too. Also the 744 bridged the pacific beyond Japan and Korea for the 747. The Asia-Pacific airline really made the 744 and their expanding fleet needs were very different in 1990 then in 1970. The only Asian airline with any large need for 747's in 1970 was Japan Airlines. Look at Asia now, Cathay, Singapore, ANA and all the rest.
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:11 pm

Simply put Boeing makes birds, Airbus makes buses that fly.
 
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:04 pm

Same old opinions regarding the 747 and the A380s' looks.

I, for one, am just looking forward to seeing the A380 in person, in the future...it'll add another dimension to photos aviation in general.

I am also looking forward to the first A380 painted in a grand scheme...like that Singapore 744 that crashed in TPE. She was such a beauty...such a loss. Probably my favorite exquisite paint scheme to-date.
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:12 pm

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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:13 pm

This thread has become so twisted by those who hate the looks of the A380.... People think that by repeating how in their view the airplane looks ugly, those who find it attractive will somehow be "converted".... please, enough has been said by some of you who somehow insist in making the same old comments of 2+ years when it comes to the looks... If it hurts you folks that there is a new queen of the sky, don't ruin every thread about the A380 with your cheap propaganda.... The A380 is bringing back the joy of flying to the common traveller and to the majority of the world OUTSIDE a.net, people will like the plane, INSIDE and OUT! So your comments of "universally ugly", "airbus making buses fly", or other ones of that sort should go out the window! Is time you folks MOVE on...
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:41 pm

Quoting Getdonnie (Reply 43):
Simply put Boeing makes birds

So, I guess we could call the B787 the Emu of the aviation world...?

The days of aesthetics taking preference over economies are loooooooooong gone, otherwise Southwest and Ryanair would collectively be flying over 700 Concorde and we would all be crying for the L-1011 line to be re-opened.

Fact is, don't take seriously anyone's opinion on the aesthetics of the A380 (best name I've heard is "The MammaJamma of the air") unless it comes from someone who has actually seen the bird up close and personal......give those photo shooters some time to get used to the new kid on the block, and then decide.
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:46 pm

While I find the 747 generally more graceful and less behemoth, the A380 looks much better in that head on view. For me the 747 will always represent what I want international travel to be, even if she will gradually be phased out. If you like the A380, thats fine it certainly has some charming qualities, just, to me, not those of the *buitiful* 747.
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RE: A380/744 Real Photo Comparison

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:58 pm

I did not intend to enter the beauty/ugly debate but here is my  twocents .

Firstly a disclaimer, I am far from being an Airbus apologist or even an admirer.

Over the past few years I have been inclined to call the A380 ugly, a whale, a Big Ugly Fat f.... ( though a Boeing product has a prior claim to that nick name). That attitude never really changed when saw F-WWOW visit SYD. In fact I once said that if Airbus were goung to use things like WOW in registrations then the second one should be F-UGLY.

Where am I going with this?

Having seen it in service in full airline livery almost everyday for approaching two weeks now I am of a somewhat different opinion. I doubt I will ever call it beautiful or graceful(except for those stunning wings), it is certainly not ugly. Perhaps functionally attractive is a better choice of words.

How many of those in this thread railing about how ugly the A380 is have actually seen one?

Get back to us after you have seen a real one a few times.

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