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New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:39 am

Let us speculate what new international destinations will start being served from ORD in 2008 and what foreign airlines may come to the airport.

My guess (or wishlist?) for new airlines:

- LAN Chile – with service to Santiago
- Etihad or Emirates - with service to Abu Dhabi or Dubai
- Jet Airways - with service to Bombay or Delhi ( this one is almost a certainty)
- Malev – with service to Budapest
- Cathay Pacific – with a non-stop to Hong Kong
- TAP Portugal – with service to Lisbon

What do you think?
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:39 am

American Airlines is starting ORD-DME Moscow
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:42 am

Quoting Addd (Thread starter):
- LAN Chile – with service to Santiago

ORD-SCL is WAY too thin to work. AA has trouble with DFW-SCL, and cargo is the only thing that makes that route profitable.

Quoting Addd (Thread starter):
Malev – with service to Budapest

That actually seems like a potential winner, though ORD has better service to central and eastern Europe than most American cities, with both OS and LO (and AA ORD-DME, as mentioned). Does MA have the aircraft?
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:44 am

My wish would be for a nonstop ORD-TLV on UA but it probably won't happen.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:12 am

MA is currently flying 3 B767s.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:20 am

Quoting Addd (Reply 4):
MA is currently flying 3 B767s.

...so that's a no?
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:20 am

I would add Oasis Hong Kong to the list. Chicago is listed on their route map.
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:23 am

This is the first time I hear about Oasis... I guess that eliminates Cathay from my list... Smile

Also, Jet Airways will, of course, fly to BRU, not to BOM or DEL.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:40 am

ORD has a very big Eastern European population as JFK, But Eastern Europe does not look like Americans focus I am surprised they are planning the ORD-DME
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:43 am

There was talk of BMI starting Trans Atlantic flights from LHR and ORD was mentioned as one of the first routes in '08. I think over the next 3 years you will see quite a number of new international routes and foreign airlines from ORD.
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AC//Au Revoir A340-500's?

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:55 am

Quoting Addd (Thread starter):
- Malev – with service to Budapest

I know it's a wish list, but axe Malev from your list. They're cutting New York and Toronto this month until Spring. Don't think North American expansion is anywhere on their radar.
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:59 am

All right - so here is an updated wishlist for 2008 (excluding already announced flights such as AA's ORD-DME):

- Etihad or Emirates - with service to Abu Dhabi or Dubai
- Jet Airways - with service to Brussels
- Oasis Hong Kong – with a non-stop to Hong Kong
- TAP Portugal – with service to Lisbon

Any more?
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:04 am

Question: Isn't ORD still slot-restricted? And completely full? Where will new airlines get their ability to operate new flights?

I realize this will change when ORD gets its third runway, but at the moment, things are a bit tight!!
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:04 am

Quoting Addd (Reply 11):
- Jet Airways - with service to Brussels

Does this flight continue onward to AMD, BOM or DEL?
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
Question: Isn't ORD still slot-restricted? And completely full? Where will new airlines get their ability to operate new flights?

Someone else may be able to shed some more light on this but from what I understand the slot restrictions do not apply to international flights.
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting Addd (Reply 7):
This is the first time I hear about Oasis... I guess that eliminates Cathay from my list...  Smile

O8 is certainly possible (after OAK however)....it wouldn't necessarily rule out CX however...

Quoting Timberwolf24 (Reply 9):
There was talk of BMI starting Trans Atlantic flights from LHR and ORD was mentioned as one of the first routes in '08. I think over the next 3 years you will see quite a number of new international routes and foreign airlines from ORD

.....BD does serve MAN-ORD and is one of their most profitable flights in their entire route system...

Quoting Addd (Reply 11):

- Etihad or Emirates - with service to Abu Dhabi or Dubai

EK certainly has ORD on its "radar"..especially given PK has ended ORD-Pakistan... Sad That being said, they have had to delay ORD probably until 2009-2010 due to lack of aircraft in part due to the delay of the A380 (I'm quoting EK's Clark here)

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
Question: Isn't ORD still slot-restricted? And completely full? Where will new airlines get their ability to operate new flights?

...not slot-restricted like LHR is but they do have slot problems over at ORD...that being said, ORD always makes sure international carriers are "given" slots when they need them, especially if they are a new entrant. In fact, ORD has already negotiated with EK regarding slots, gates, etc....but as I mentioned above, EK isn't ready yet to fly to ORD for another year or two..

Quoting Cakentennis (Reply 13):
Quoting Addd (Reply 11):
- Jet Airways - with service to Brussels

Does this flight continue onward to AMD, BOM or DEL?

.....given BRU is a "scissors hub" for 9W, it can be to all three... Wink
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 2:22 am

I would love LY to return and I heard in 09 Hainan Airlines will inagurate ORD, Air China would be nice but UA ORD-TLV would be nice too
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting Addd (Thread starter):
- Malev – with service to Budapest



Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 10):
I know it's a wish list, but axe Malev from your list. They're cutting New York and Toronto this month until Spring. Don't think North American expansion is anywhere on their radar.

Though with Malev's codeshare with American, I wouldn't be surprised to see BUD-YYZ moved to ORD, or an entirely new flight in 2009-2010 flown by either American or Malev.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:27 am

Quoting Timberwolf24 (Reply 14):
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
Question: Isn't ORD still slot-restricted? And completely full? Where will new airlines get their ability to operate new flights?

Someone else may be able to shed some more light on this but from what I understand the slot restrictions do not apply to international flights.

New flights by foreign flag carriers are exempt from the ORD flight caps.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:35 am

Considering the huge Jewish population in Chicago, I would not be one bit surprised if LY started TLV-ORD.
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:40 am

Quote:
New flights by foreign flag carriers are exempt from the ORD flight caps.

That's good to know - I'd hate to think that another RJ flight to another small midwest town would get equal consideration as an EK 777 to Dubai!!
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:04 am

Quoting Bohica (Reply 19):
Considering the huge Jewish population in Chicago, I would not be one bit surprised if LY started TLV-ORD.

If I remember correctly, they've flown ORD-TLV both through YYZ and non-stop, and it's obvious it didn't work for them. I don't think they'll be relaunching anytime soon.

I'd like to see some European routes, specifically on AA, to places like TXL or ATH. I know that CX would probably launch this before AA, but HKG would be a nice addition to the map.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:19 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 21):
If I remember correctly, they've flown ORD-TLV both through YYZ and non-stop, and it's obvious it didn't work for them. I don't think they'll be relaunching anytime soon.

I wasn't aware of that. When did they fly to ORD?
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 8:28 am

This may be a little far-fetched but perhaps anyone of the Southeast Asian airlines such as TG or SQ can serve ORD via KIX or NGO. Japan is granting fifth-freedom rights on the Pacific sectors. Both TG & SQ have ultra-long-haul aircraft, but these are in demand on the main LAX & NYC routes. TG & SQ have large fleet of other long-haul types can do Transpac to Japan. Other possibilities could be EVA Air or China Airlines via KIX or NGO too.
Weird thing is that with the exception of TG, the other three airlines serve ORD, albeit in the freighter form.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:45 am

In the longer term, NZ has expressed strong interest in ORD from AKL - but only after its 789s come in from late 2010 (???) onward. As one of Star partner UA's key hubs, it's very attractive. NZ's USA business is riding high, with a highly successful new route to SFO under its belt and commencing YVR right now, where forward bookings are exceeding expectations, the route "growing" from seasonal to year-round months before the first flight departed. Whether ORD will be a priority over other new long-haul routes for the first 789s, however, remains to be seen.
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:06 am

It's a longshot, but I wouldn't mind a one-stop SQ service to SIN via NRT. I quite like clearning immigration/customs in ORD.

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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 12:32 pm

Quoting Bohica (Reply 22):
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Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 21):
If I remember correctly, they've flown ORD-TLV both through YYZ and non-stop, and it's obvious it didn't work for them. I don't think they'll be relaunching anytime soon.

I wasn't aware of that. When did they fly to ORD?

ELAL just ended this flight this year, I believe May.

A Route to Tel Aviv is not successful just on the Jewish Population.

I do not see United flying from Chicago to Tel Aviv, But I do see them flying Washington - Tel Aviv

EL AL most profitable flight today is Tel Aviv-Hong Kong and I do not see that many Jews living their.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:01 pm

Here's what I see coming to ORD in 2008:

New Overseas Routes On US Carriers:
-UA to TLV. Somebody's gotta take LY's place, and it can't be AA due to the bad blood at TLV after the TWA merger.
-AA to HKG. AA needs this for competitive purposes and to break the UA monopoly.

Non-US Carriers:
-Emirates to DXB. EK has this in their short/mid-term North American launch plans... as said earlier, they probably would be serving ORD by now if it weren't for the (now-over) A380 delays. I expect ORD to be served by EK around the same time as LAX and/or SFO.
-Oasis to HKG. They've wanted to do this for a while... but if AA also starts, would it deter O8?
-Jet Airways to BOM or DEL (via BRU).
-Silverjet to LTN. I am shocked that none of the all-business-class startups have not started ORD yet. That being said, weren't they this close to starting, and then decided to do LTN-DXB instead?

Quoting Coal (Reply 25):
It's a longshot, but I wouldn't mind a one-stop SQ service to SIN via NRT. I quite like clearning immigration/customs in ORD.

Don't expect SQ coming back anytime soon. They tried ORD-AMS-SIN twice, and it didn't work either time, even with a ton of feed from UA. And I don't think that NRT would work either, with UA, AA, NH and JL all flying the route daily. A shame, really.
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:11 pm

Quoting JFK787NYC (Reply 26):
ELAL just ended this flight this year, I believe May.

This shows I haven't been keeping up with ORD happenings.  banghead 
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:33 pm

i was just at T5 a couple of weeks ago. The problem is that there is virtually no counter space left. The airport will / should convert over to a shared common use set up like FRA. That way the counters can be used more efficiently. However one problem is that so many flights tend to be bunched up in the evening. Hopefully the proposed T6 will help. Does anybody know if T6 will include international arrivals facilities? The current arrival hall is from my experience very efficient even during the evening rush hours.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:45 pm

Quoting Addd (Reply 11):
All right - so here is an updated wishlist for 2008 (excluding already announced flights such as AA's ORD-DME):

- Etihad or Emirates - with service to Abu Dhabi or Dubai
- Jet Airways - with service to Brussels
- Oasis Hong Kong – with a non-stop to Hong Kong
- TAP Portugal – with service to Lisbon

Any more?

You should change the 9W to BOM or DEL via BRU. People may think you are just talking about ORD-BRU, which AA currently serves.

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 27):
New Overseas Routes On US Carriers:
-UA to TLV. Somebody's gotta take LY's place,

Was LYs service canceled due to poor loads or yields?

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 27):
-Emirates to DXB. EK has this in their short/mid-term North American launch plans... as said earlier, they probably would be serving ORD by now if it weren't for the (now-over) A380 delays. I expect ORD to be served by EK around the same time as LAX and/or SFO.

With EK mentioning they want to rapidly expand North and South America in the next 2-3 years, ORD has got to be very high on their list of priorities, along with LAX.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:54 pm

Quoting Bohica (Reply 19):
Considering the huge Jewish population in Chicago, I would not be one bit surprised if LY started TLV-ORD.

El Al just pulled out of O'Hare last spring. It was always a pretty poor performing route, and typically operated via Newark and, at the end Toronto.

Quoting B752OS (Reply 30):
Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 27):
New Overseas Routes On US Carriers:
-UA to TLV. Somebody's gotta take LY's place,

Was LYs service canceled due to poor loads or yields?

Both. It was also a pretty good sign that the route was performing poorly when Los Angeles and Miami became non-stop, while O'Hare continued to be served via a third point.

And again, for the nth time, just because a city has a large Jewish population does not mean that flights to Tel Aviv are in demand! What makes markets like Miami and LA work are not large Jewish communities, but large Israeli communities. For what it's worth, Chicago has the fourth largest Israeli community in the U.S., despite having a smaller Jewish community than DC and Philadelphia, and that was a primary reason that El Al flew there.

And, as others have mentioned here, if UA goes to Tel Aviv, it will be from Dulles, not O'Hare.
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:58 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 31):
Both. It was also a pretty good sign that the route was performing poorly when Los Angeles and Miami became non-stop, while O'Hare continued to be served via a third point.

And again, for the nth time, just because a city has a large Jewish population does not mean that flights to Tel Aviv are in demand! What makes markets like Miami and LA work are not large Jewish communities, but large Israeli communities. For what it's worth, Chicago has the fourth largest Israeli community in the U.S., despite having a smaller Jewish community than DC and Philadelphia, and that was a primary reason that El Al flew there.

And, as others have mentioned here, if UA goes to Tel Aviv, it will be from Dulles, not O'Hare.

I am confused, are you saying that I mentioned Chicago has a big Jewish community therefore the flights should have worked?
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:38 pm

After joining Star Alliance , Egyptair is supposed to serve *A hubs in the US , ORD and IAD before 2010 .
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:42 pm

Quoting MSYYZ (Reply 33):
Egyptair is supposed to serve *A hubs in the US , ORD and IAD before 2010 .

And before 2010. So it is not sure if we can see Egypt Air to serve ORD in 2008??
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:59 pm

Quoting ORDagent (Reply 29):
i was just at T5 a couple of weeks ago. The problem is that there is virtually no counter space left. The airport will / should convert over to a shared common use set up like FRA. That way the counters can be used more efficiently. However one problem is that so many flights tend to be bunched up in the evening. Hopefully the proposed T6 will help. Does anybody know if T6 will include international arrivals facilities? The current arrival hall is from my experience very efficient even during the evening rush hours.

T5 is a common use terminal. Any carrier can use any ticket counter or any gate. T5 is pretty maxed out during the afternoon and evening hours due to several banks of European flights. The T6 project has been shelved for now but there is a study that will soon be underway that will look at expanding T5 capacity in other ways.
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:04 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 34):
So it is not sure if we can see Egypt Air to serve ORD in 2008??

They are getting a few more A332's in 2008 , does that mean launching IAD and ORD in 2008 ? May be .
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:07 pm

Quoting Airportplan (Reply 18):

New flights by foreign flag carriers are exempt from the ORD flight caps.

However, if a European carrier decides to try a whole bunch of new service thanks to open skies, I suspect that this will change rather rapidly (it could also change if AC were to expand a whole bunch, especially if this were in conjunction with UA scaling back Canada service).
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 6:18 pm

I think UA service ORD-TLV could work, considering that LY pulled out and their massive amount of feed out of ORD. I imagine that available aircraft would be a problem, though.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:23 pm

Quoting B752OS (Reply 32):

I am confused, are you saying that I mentioned Chicago has a big Jewish community therefore the flights should have worked?

No, I was just referencing the general "El Al should fly there because there is a big Jewish community" sentiment in the thread. It wasn't reference to anybody in particular.
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:27 pm

with the entry into Star Alliance in 2008 and the receipt of the two additional leased 332 maybe TK go daily between IST and ORD. With United as feeder they could easily fill the flights in my eyes.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 9:48 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 31):
El Al just pulled out of O'Hare last spring

What other airlines pulled out of ORD in recent years? I can think of Kuwait Airways (pulled out in 2006), Singapore (used to fly SIN-AMS-ORD - pulled out in 2003 (?)) and Aeroflot (pulled out in 2001)... anybody else?
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:12 pm

The master ORD plan, which was shelved after 9/11, was to move UA international, Star flights, and UA international codeshares to T2. AA international, Oneworld flights, and AA international codeshares would go into a new T4. The new T6 was for all domestic carriers, other than UA and AA.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:28 pm

Quoting Airportplan (Reply 35):
Any carrier can use any ticket counter or any gate

I don't know if KL/NW signage can be pulled down for the three hours EK would need it. Some counters are shared as you can see several signs stacked on top *A shared counters would work as a big Star Alliance sign with changeable name plates could work. For it to be truly common use the only airline signage would be on large LCD panels above the counter.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:42 pm

Quoting Addd (Reply 41):
What other airlines pulled out of ORD in recent years? I can think of Kuwait Airways (pulled out in 2006), Singapore (used to fly SIN-AMS-ORD - pulled out in 2003 (?)) and Aeroflot (pulled out in 2001)... anybody else?

..PK pulled out about 6 weeks ago....
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:42 pm

Gate space is at such a premium during the day. Longer turn planes are pulled off the gates for other planes to get in. Unless they fly in the 'off' hours I don't know where they are going to fit more planes. Then if ONE jetway goes down, or the fine folks at AA or UA decide they can't come over and get a plane off the gate for awhile (shift change,union break,someone broke a fingernail,etc), or when snow ops are going and gates 1 and 21 are OOS then everything really goes down the toilet.
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:49 pm

Quote:
T5 is a common use terminal. Any carrier can use any ticket counter or any gate

The signatory carriers have their own counter space and they decide if they want to rent it out during their off hours. It's not the terminals decision on those counters. EI recently moved around in the terminal and had to sign a deal with MU for their counter space (which they have not used in years, but still own it).

Gates however, are common use. Gate control decides who uses what every day.
 
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Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:51 pm

I would not be surprized if not only the start up of ORD-TVL. But, DTW has a large number of Arabic people living here. I would like to see Royal Jordian or Emritts (spelling ?) come to DTW with non-stop flights once a day. ..
 
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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:59 pm

Quoting Addd (Thread starter):
- Malev -- with service to Budapest



Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 10):
I know it's a wish list, but axe Malev from your list. They're cutting New York and Toronto this month until Spring. Don't think North American expansion is anywhere on their radar.

You can forget about MA flying to ORD. The airline has to become profitable before any expansion of its long-haul network happens, and I'm sure that MA would expand its network to Asia before North America. I remember that MA had plans to start service to Rockford Ill, but that never materialized either.

Quoting Addd (Reply 4):
MA is currently flying 3 B767s.

MA's widebody fleet currently consists of 1 B763 and 1B762, the B762 is being wet-leased to Oman Air for the winter season and will resume JFK flights in April 2008. By early 2009, MA will 3 B763s.

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RE: New Int'l Routes/foreign Airlines At ORD In 2008

Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:15 pm

Quoting Addd (Thread starter):
What do you think?

AF still surprisingly small at ORD. Such a large city could likely support more than 1 daily A340 from one of Europe's main carrier (is there even a daily A340?). I'm guessing AA being OneWorld and UA in Star definitely kill any hope to see SkyTeam very establish in Chicago.
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