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Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:49 am

Not a surprise given that this the only choice at the moment:

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Rolls-Royce Group PLC said it has won a Trent XWB engine contract from International Lease Finance Corp worth 800 mln usd at list prices, adding that this makes ILFC its largest customer for the Trent family.

The Trent XWB engine will be used to power a fleet of 20 firm Airbus A350 XWB aircraft, due for delivery starting April 2014.

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RE: Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:07 am

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Not a surprise given that this the only choice at the moment:

But still interesting given that GE is allegedly looking to get on-board and, if I remember correctly, ILFC were pushing for an engine choice.

Being reported on the BBC now:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7082375.stm
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RE: Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:26 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 1):
Being reported on the BBC now:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/...5.stm

According to this article, 'US-based ILFC, which supplies many of the world's largest airlines, currently has 61 planes powered by Rolls-Royce' . Aviation Week and Space Technology reported in August that ILFC has an inventory of over 900 planes. Granted many of these are narrow bodies, but I find it strange that such a small number of its planes are powered by RR.

Again, here is another influential player in the avaition market seemingly not bothered by the choice of a single engine supplier. It will be interesting to see what Emirates decides to do; order Rollers or wait for GE? Their 29 332s are powered by RR so they may opt for Rollers and cap a great year for Sir John Rose and PM  Smile
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RE: Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:48 am

I find it pleasant that even without GE the A350 moves on with great pace.
I beleive that GE now is starting to wonder if their power display of trying to have Airbus build a plane to fit their excisting engine technology, instead of the other way around (like it should be), maybe wasn't the best move.
The big winner on this is anyway RR.
 
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RE: Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:49 am

Interesting considering GE apparently jumped opn board coz the likes of ILFC and EK were whinning about lack of engine choice.

Quoting Swallow (Reply 2):
It will be interesting to see what Emirates decides to do; order Rollers or wait for GE

Who said they'll be ordering the A350?
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RE: Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:03 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 1):
But still interesting given that GE is allegedly looking to get on-board and, if I remember correctly, ILFC were pushing for an engine choice.



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 4):
Interesting considering GE apparently jumped on board coz the likes of ILFC and EK were whining about lack of engine choice.

May I point out that it takes the mindset of a certain aviation analyst which has fallen from grace at ILFC to truly believe the world's largest lessor will not up its order for A350s in due time and that as such it does make great sense for ILFC to already order RR engines now, so they can actively start to market those 20 A350 planes with potential customers who need to know for sure the engine choice before making a decision.

When ILFC then orders more A350, they may very well select the GE engine for those and as such diversify their portfolio of products...If you already KNOW you are going to order more anyway, and you KNOW you are going to offer the 2 engine choices to your customers anyway, there is no need to wait till you have a second choice, is there?  Wink

The fact they have committed already now to the RR Trent engine for their entire A350 order, must thus be seen as indicative of the huge likeliness of a very large follow up order and a first factual proof -after being verbally corrected by ILFC themselves- of how misinformed a certain aviation analyst is indeed.
 
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RE: Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:08 am

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
The fact they have committed already now to the RR Trent engine for their entire A350 order, must thus be seen as indicative of the huge likeliness of a very large follow up order and a first factual proof -after being verbally corrected by ILFC themselves- of how misinformed a certain aviation analyst is indeed.

How very true.  Wink

Its a shame that some members don't even try to read between the lines.

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RE: Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:04 am

maybe GE shouldn't offer an engine on the XWB.

It would hurt their GE90 sales and the deal with Boeing.

Apart from that they have to invest a billion, which is a lot of money!

and who knows, maybe Airbus will change the A350XWB once again.

maybe is makes more sense to leave RR to handle this difficult market

what's all the fuss, only $40-100 billion in 20 yrs..

they have their hands full with the Boeing 787 and 747-8 and 777NG engines for at least 20 yrs

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RE: Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:19 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 7):
what's all the fuss, only $40-100 billion in 20 yrs..


Whoever passed on that market will be in trouble. Heads will roll at GE.

[Edited 2007-11-07 03:20:47]
 
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RE: Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:30 am

Quoting Keesje (Reply 7):
maybe GE shouldn't offer an engine on the XWB.

It would hurt their GE90 sales and the deal with Boeing.

Apart from that they have to invest a billion, which is a lot of money!

and who knows, maybe Airbus will change the A350XWB once again.

maybe is makes more sense to leave RR to handle this difficult market

what's all the fuss, only $40-100 billion in 20 yrs..

they have their hands full with the Boeing 787 and 747-8 and 777NG engines for at least 20 yrs

:D

I am sure GE does not have a similar smile today.
As I see it, GE does not really have a choice anymore, unless they want to lose billions and a great market share: costumers are going RR with no trouble at all.

And did not already lost a lot of costumers: GE will have to enter negotiations with Airbus (if they already have not) in a more fragile position they would have had one year ago!

The 777 was a golden program for GE. But it is now time to move forward. ASAP.

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RE: Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 3:16 pm

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 4):
Who said they'll be ordering the A350?

We will find out next week at the Dubai air show or we may not. Being EK anything can happen but there are rumours about a 50+ order from ATW. And anyway the 7810 has not been offered for sale yet so TC has only the 350 on the plate. If he does not take it next week, then he may wait till the opening of the new Dubai terminal, but he seems to want the 380 to grace that occasion.
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RE: Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:39 pm

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
The fact they have committed already now to the RR Trent engine for their entire A350 order, must thus be seen as indicative of the huge likeliness of a very large follow up order and a first factual proof -after being verbally corrected by ILFC themselves- of how misinformed a certain aviation analyst is indeed.

Would it be feasible to assume that ILFC will maintain ~10% of A350XWB orders?
Don't they currently hold 72 orders for 787 out of ~700? i.e. ~10%

Holding B787/A350 slots for these 2 popular A/C puts ILFC in a very good position. Since they are able to command the best discounts they can then choose to lease, take the a/c and sell the on or even sell/delay their slots.
 
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RE: Ilfc Orders Trents For A350XWB

Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:44 pm

Since some folks keep wanting to take shots at GE evidently just to take shots at the 777, I give up trying to dissuade them.  whiteflag 

Boeing will sell hundreds of more 777s and GE will sell many more hundreds of GE90s.

Airbus will sell hundreds of A350s, and sooner rather then later, many of them will have GE engines.

So feel free to keep chuckling.

Boeing and - especially - GE are laughing right along with you all the way to the bank.  champagne 

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