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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:18 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 148):
About the same time as oil drops below $25.00 a barrel

Well, that'll take 1,000 years. Hopefully during my lifetime!
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:19 am

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 149):
Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 147):
I think any international service will start out with the "usual" flights to Cancun, Canada

We already have those.

Well then your already there. Be happy for what you have.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:19 am

I know..i meant starting out of the new terminal...NW/Frontier have the flights but i think Frontier is giving up on that one.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:21 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 152):
I know..i meant starting out of the new terminal...NW/Frontier have the flights but i think Frontier is giving up on that one.

OK, that make since! Is F9 really going to pull out of their IND-CUN service, I thought it was doing pretty well for them.
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:22 am

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 146):
Quoting Indy (Reply 145):
They haven't announced those new 757 routes yet. So who knows.

Who knows is right! maybe IND-AMS will be announced. Big grin Smile Wink

No, it will not. The new Northwest 757 routes will be from Detroit.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:26 am

I remember hearing/reading that Frontier is adding a 5th flight to DEN from IND but i cannot recall the exact CUN stuff. Would any flights to Puerto Rico, carribean islands work from IND? Maybe St. Marrten??  Big grin
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:27 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 155):
Would any flights to Puerto Rico, carribean islands work from IND? Maybe St. Marrten?? Big grin

SXM is way too thin a market. SJU could probably work, but there is no logical airline to launch it right now. That might change with AirTran entering the market, though.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 155):
I remember hearing/reading that Frontier is adding a 5th flight to DEN from IND

I remember hearing/reading that Frontier struggles on the 4 flights they do have IND-DEN... so we must have heard things from two opposite sources.
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:29 am

True...if anything, Air Tran can do the IND-ATL-SJU one stop route.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:37 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 157):
I remember hearing/reading that Frontier struggles on the 4 flights they do have IND-DEN... so we must have heard things from two opposite sources.

There was a thread here that stated it was going to 5 but I can't find anything that shows this.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:48 am

I take that back. It is listed on Frontier's website in the press releases. They are indeed going to a 5th departure from IND. Not sure I agree with it.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:48 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 62):
It's the year 2007. Route authorities are practically a thing of the past thanks to blanket authorities, and, starting in 30 March, 2007, U.S.-E.U. is Open Skies.

MAH-I believe you mean March 30, 2008...

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 113):
Add in New Haven, Springfield Mass, etc. too to BDL if you're playing the MSA game. But that's irrelevant, because looking at some numbers in other threads I wouldn't be surprised if the BDL experiment is considered a failure by mid 2008 anyways.

Check again. New Haven and Springfield are not part of the Hartford MSA...the counties that are part of the Hartford MSA are Hartford County, Middlesex County, and Tolland County...New Haven and Springfield are their own MSA's...(trust me on this...it's one of my jobs to know that!)
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:46 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 154):
No, it will not. The new Northwest 757 routes will be from Detroit.

How do you know this?  Confused
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:52 pm

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 162):
How do you know this?

This was claimed a month ago or so and was supposed to be announced 3 or 4 weeks ago. Maybe longer. It never happened. It I am sure is speculation based on probability. 757's have limited range. There are really only a few places they can go. The places that need the service pretty much have the service so you end up with DTW. It would be based on process of elimination more than fact.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:56 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 163):
This was claimed a month ago or so and was supposed to be announced 3 or 4 weeks ago. Maybe longer. It never happened. It I am sure is speculation based on probability. 757's have limited range. There are really only a few places they can go. The places that need the service pretty much have the service so you end up with DTW. It would be based on process of elimination more than fact

I know that DTW is the most likely place the new international routes will be out of, but it is not definite that this is the place the new routes will be out of.
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:01 pm

Until you see a press release it is not definite.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:04 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 165):
Until you see a press release it is not definite

Yes, so until then I will not lose hope of IND-AMS happening!  Smile
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:08 pm

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 166):
Yes, so until then I will not lose hope of IND-AMS happening!

I think DTW-FRA was too long for the 757. That would make IND-AMS 10 miles less likely lol.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:09 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 167):
I think DTW-FRA was too long for the 757. That would make IND-AMS 10 miles less likely lol.

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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:51 pm

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 142):
I am tired of too many nonsensical, devoid of fact statements made on this website by too many of the arm-chair airline CEOs that think that it is so simple and easy and can do it better if they were just in charge

That makes two of us.

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 142):
am not sure what you mean about "world champions", but without laying out all of our credentials here

Other than being a big user of air services and a frequent flyer out of IND, I have no credentials specific to the industry. I do not believe that I proclaimed anywhere to have these either. In this post I argued in favor of a new terminal at IND, and from a customer's point-of-view. I threw in my five cents on direct air service to Europe that I believe is not sustainable due to low business volume (opinion only).

To suggest that I am an "arm-chair CEO wannabe" is a little bit of a stretch, but no offense at all from that comment. I have been blamed for worse things in my life.

Quoting TZTriStar500 (Reply 142):
All too often on this website, dissension is intolerated. The problem is taking this website too seriously as I think it is more entertaining than valuable and insightful.

It is for sure entertaining to be a member of this website, and somewhat educational too. I don't know about you, but I actually try to understand, learn and reflect upon what other members are saying without getting too carried away. You need to accept, however, that people will react to what you write.

Quoting Indy (Reply 143):
Once the new terminal opens I think people will realize just how bad the old one was.

I think you're right, and I certainly look forward, as a customer, to be able to fly out of the new terminal. If this new facility looks as good as I perceive it to be, I simply think this will be awesome for the Indy traveler and for the Circle City itself.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:02 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 163):
The places that need the service pretty much have the service so you end up with DTW.

There are a handful of exceptions to this. With the right package of incentives, PIT, CMH, and PHL are all potentially viable 757 TATL cities.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:38 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 161):

Check again. New Haven and Springfield are not part of the Hartford MSA...the counties that are part of the Hartford MSA are Hartford County, Middlesex County, and Tolland County...New Haven and Springfield are their own MSA's...(trust me on this...it's one of my jobs to know that!)

No crap. My point was that BDL's catchment area is going to include those ADDITIONAL MSA's. You can't fly anywhere meaningful from HVN or Springfield (CEF on Skyjoke aside). Likewise, IND's will include the separate LAF MSA, etc.
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:42 pm

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 161):
Check again. New Haven and Springfield are not part of the Hartford MSA...the counties that are part of the Hartford MSA are Hartford County, Middlesex County, and Tolland County...New Haven and Springfield are their own MSA's...(trust me on this...it's one of my jobs to know that!)

I live in New Haven County and consider BDL to be my primary airport - as do most of the rest of the people in this area.
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:36 pm

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 170):
CMH

Is CMH-AMS really that much shorter than IND-AMS. Also IND and CMH have about the same population.
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:38 pm

Either way, i just couldn't imagine sitting on a 757 for any more than 4 hours. Sitting on one for 4 hours from SEA to DTW was torture..although in first class i am sure it is much more comfortable  Smile
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:39 pm

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 174):
Either way, i just couldn't imagine sitting on a 757 for any more than 4 hours. Sitting on one for 4 hours from SEA to DTW was torture..although in first class i am sure it is much more comfortable

Why I find no less, if not more, comfortable than other narrow-bodies.

[Edited 2007-11-11 14:40:38]
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:45 pm

I guess it depends on where you sit. I would definitely go for hte exit row seats  Big grin To be honest, and from my opinion, i have not noticed that much of a difference between a 757 or a 737...maybe it is because different airlines have different seat set ups, etc.

By the way, almost to #200.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting 7E72004 (Reply 176):

By the way, almost to #200.

Yeah, People please keep it going for at least 23 more post.  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:45 pm

Quoting Scalebuilder (Reply 169):
I think you're right, and I certainly look forward, as a customer, to be able to fly out of the new terminal. If this new facility looks as good as I perceive it to be, I simply think this will be awesome for the Indy traveler and for the Circle City itself.

My mom lives over in Europe. She hasn't been to visit since they broke ground on the new terminal. She used to live here and when I was young (back in the day) we'd go to IND and watch planes come in. There weren't really all that many back then but it was still fun. She'd be shocked to see the change. She'd come in and think she landed in the wrong city.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:39 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 178):
She'd come in and think she landed in the wrong city.

 Big grin  Big grin
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:08 am

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 173):
Is CMH-AMS really that much shorter than IND-AMS.

124nm shorter.
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:47 pm

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 173):
Is CMH-AMS really that much shorter than IND-AMS.

Nope, but the 150 miles makes a HUGE difference.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:57 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 115):
Quoting Indy (Reply 92):
And is there documentation that verifies that RDU is subsidized or is that a.net speculation?

It is anything but speculation, but you surely are not going to find public documents on the details of the subsidy.

Probably because the flight isn't publically subsidized. Not one cent of taxpayer money from what I understand. Seats on the flight however are guaranteed by some of the local corporations which desire non-stop service. People act like RDU's situation isn't relevant because they think it is taxpayer subsidized, when in reality having a nonstop from RDU is so valuable to those corporations that they are willing to put up the money for it. In other words, the demand exists in RDU for their flight.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:28 pm

Just heard on news that pharmaceutical producer (medco)is going to open up a big plant in the IND area. Could this be the key to an IND-Europe flight, they might subsidize it like RDU's.  Confused  Smile
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:35 pm

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 186):
Just heard on news that pharmaceutical producer (medco)is going to open up a big plant in the IND area. Could this be the key to an IND-Europe flight, they might subsidize it like RDU's.

No. Plants don't create that kind of demand. The RDU flight is subsidized largely by Glaxo who has huge corporate operations in Raleigh and London.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 25):


Quoting IADCA,reply=26:
Open Skies isn't nearly as much of a help to secondary airports in the US as many seem to think. If there were a market tfor IND-CDG, for example, someone would be doing it already. Open Skies isn't going to magically triple the number of slots at CDG or make someone more willing to try the route.

Best analogy EVER!

...you're joking, right?

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 26):
4 years ago would anyone have thought that Amsterdam, Frankfurt, and Tokyo would be offered out of Portland?

PDX's commerce bureau

Quoting OBSMGR (Reply 40):
A lot of assumptions being made here folks.

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Quoting BAKJet (Reply 64):
Too bad KL/NW dont have any 762s, they're not too much bigger that a 752.

...but the cost basis is completely different

Quoting Vega (Reply 71):
maybe if a well configured 757 could make the trip (which it cannot)

says whom?

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 107):
One of three things is needed to justify transatlantic flights: 1) big cities

Correction:
1) big business
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:57 am

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 185):
big business

IND has Lilly world headquarters, Columbus, IN (1 hour away) has Cummins world headquarters, and a large wellpoint insurance company office. IND is 10th in the nation when it comes to the production of fast-growth, super-achieving companies.

Source:
http://www.indy.org/indianapolis/web...c=8385171:menu&p=1&x=1194918921900
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:00 am

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 186):
IND has Lilly world headquarters, Columbus, IN (1 hour away) has Cummins world headquarters, and a large wellpoint insurance company office. IND is 10th in the nation when it comes to the production of fast-growth, super-achieving companies.

It doesn't cut it. They don't have the corporate client base needed to support Europe flights on corporate travel alone. If any Europe flight-less city in the U.S. right now does, it's Pittsburgh, with significant business ties to Germany thanks to Siemens and Bayer. Just ask them how well they're doing getting a Europe flight back.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:03 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 187):
It doesn't cut it. They don't have the corporate client base needed to support Europe flights on corporate travel alone. If any Europe flight-less city in the U.S. right now does, it's Pittsburgh, with significant business ties to Germany thanks to Siemens and Bayer. Just ask them how well they're doing getting a Europe flight back.


Why are they asking NW, why not LH, Germany's airline?
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:08 am

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 188):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 187):
It doesn't cut it. They don't have the corporate client base needed to support Europe flights on corporate travel alone. If any Europe flight-less city in the U.S. right now does, it's Pittsburgh, with significant business ties to Germany thanks to Siemens and Bayer. Just ask them how well they're doing getting a Europe flight back.


Why are they asking NW, why not LH, Germany's airline?

They have been asking LH, for nearly three years now.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:13 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 189):
They have been asking LH, for nearly three years now.

OK,
BTW-I heard that BA pulled out sometime in the 90's and that they were looking to start it again. It was in an article about open skies.
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:39 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 14):

The logic holds in both cases. What makes a secondary U.S. vis-a-vis a primary European market different from a primary U.S. market vis-a-vis a secondary European market? Systemically speaking, the answer is nothing.

The 787 will be the savior of markets like PHX, SAN, PDX, BOS and PHL where transcontinental service either does not now exist, or could more viably exist with a more suitable aircraft.

In their press release following the 787 order, British Airways specifically stated the plane would be used to open up new markets in North America. Not too many places BA can go anymore besides secondary U.S. markets.
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:04 am



Quoting Trvlr (Reply 191):
The logic holds in both cases. What makes a secondary U.S. vis-a-vis a primary European market different from a primary U.S. market vis-a-vis a secondary European market? Systemically speaking, the answer is nothing.

No, the logic doesn't flow both ways, IMO.

First of all, "secondary markets" in Europe are much larger than "secondary markets" in the U.S. Moscow is a secondary market, but it is also one of the world's largest cities. Secondly, Europeans travel more, at least long-haul wise, and it's no coincidence that every US-Europe travel market except France has the majority of it's travel come from the European point or origin.

Trans-Atlantic wise, a 787 isn't going to open up Indianapolis, Columbus, etc. to European markets. For the most part, you will likely see current trans-Atlantic gateways have their dots connected. For example, it might make Los Angeles-Manchester and Miami-Manchester financially feasible again. It might make a heavy-VFR route like Miami-Moscow a more financially viably route. It might make Los Angeles-Madrid, which can be a busy route but too low-yielding a tourist market, a viable route.

It will open up some new opportunities on the U.S. side, but not many. In terms of U.S. gateways, the only ones that I think it might re-open to trans-Atlantic travel, are Pittsburgh, San Diego, and St. Louis, which are right on the cusp of being able to viably support it.

In terms of trans-Atlantic travel, it isn't going to open up much in the way of new gateways, just connect the dots. I understand a British Airways press release which is meant to get positive press and publicity, and nothing else, may state differently, but I disagree.

Trans-pacific travel is where the story will be very different. Miami-Tokyo, Boston-Shanghai, Phoenix-Tokyo...you name it.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:22 am

and ORD is 3 Hours away  Smile its not really a big deal to drive it or connect thru one of the other Hubs CVG EWR IAH DFW DTW
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:31 am



Quoting COSPN (Reply 193):
and ORD is 3 Hours away its not really a big deal to drive it or connect thru one of the other Hubs CVG EWR IAH DFW DTW

Try telling the IND lovers that.......
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:04 am



Quoting BAKJet (Reply 183):
Just heard on news that pharmaceutical producer (medco)is going to open up a big plant in the IND area.

Medco is planning to open a large mail-order assembly and domestic shipment point in Indianapolis. I don't know how much it will do for passenger numbers, but I bet Fedex is delighted.
 
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:21 am



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 187):
It doesn't cut it. They don't have the corporate client base needed to support Europe flights on corporate travel alone.

Not Eli Lilly? Their HQ is in Indianapolis. They have over 40,000 employees globally. Over 10,000 employees are in Europe. Cummins is a very global company with a number of plants and offices in Europe.

These are the Cummins European locations.

Quote:

* Cummins Adriatic (Croatia)
* Cummins Austria GmbH
* Cummins Belgium
* Cummins Czech Republic
* Cummins Diesel Deutschland GmbH
* Cummins UK
* Cummins Diesel SA (France)
* Cummins Diesel Sales & Service A/S (Denmark)
* Cummins Holland
* Cummins Hungary
* Cummins Italia S.p.A.
* Cummins Norway A.S.
* Cummins Diesel Engine Company Limited Swedish Filial
* Cummins Ventas y Servico S. A. (Spain)
* Machinery OY Ltd. (Finland)

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummins
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:26 am



Quoting Indy (Reply 196):

Not Eli Lilly? Their HQ is in Indianapolis. They have over 40,000 employees globally. Over 10,000 employees are in Europe. Cummins is a very global company with a number of plants and offices in Europe.

No, it doesn't cut it, and that's evident by the fact that they are clearly happy sending passengers on connecting flights.

Look at the handful of secondary markets having European service, and most of the time it is a local group of companies (or a company) that approached the airline. If Cummins and Eli Lily wanted European flights, then they should get together and put together some kind of premium travel subsidy for an airline and maybe somebody will bite. That's how Orlando and Portland got Lufthansa (Siemens agreed to a lucrative corporate travel contract in Orlando; while Nike, Freightliner, and others pooled together to guarantee premium revenue on LH's PDX flight).

Clearly, Cummins and Eli Lily don't care to do so.
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:59 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 197):
No, it doesn't cut it, and that's evident by the fact that they are clearly happy sending passengers on connecting flights.


Nice try to insult that poor guy, but you forget to check the facts.

It's evident after a 30 second FAA search and looking in the Anet Photo database that Liily has 2 GIV's that do loads of international flights.


http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumsql.asp?NNumbertxt=311EL

https://www.airliners.net/open.file/1147495/M/

like this aircraft landing in London LTN

or ARN

https://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...=4&prev_id=0964720&next_id=0614893

or FRA

https://www.airliners.net/open.file/0551559/M/

or Brussels or Salzburg

https://www.airliners.net/open.file/0084792/M/

https://www.airliners.net/open.file/0400840/M/

or Warsaw

https://www.airliners.net/open.file/0376102/M/



http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumsql.asp?NNumbertxt=312EL

or Geneva

https://www.airliners.net/open.file/0580377/M/

or CPH

https://www.airliners.net/open.file/0437915/M/




Or that Cummins uses their 328 Jet or their NetJets contracts to fly people to hubs where they can make a connection.

http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/nnumsql.asp?NNumbertxt=804CE

[Edited 2007-11-13 06:25:04]
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RE: IND Service To Europe- Is It Possible?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:22 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 197):
No, it doesn't cut it, and that's evident by the fact that they are clearly happy sending passengers on connecting flights.

Certainly it cuts it. You are saying that because somebody doesn't have something that means they don't want it. I don't have a Porsche but that doesn't mean I don't want one. What would your opinion have been of RDU before the announcement was made that AA was starting the long haul service? Would you have made the same statement? What about BDL? Maybe a year ago we could have said they were clearly happy sending passengers on connecting flights. It really isn't a very good excuse.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 197):
If Cummins and Eli Lily wanted European flights, then they should get together and put together some kind of premium travel subsidy for an airline and maybe somebody will bite.

I agree they should. They may have in the past. Problem is I don't think any airline is going to provide service to the barn in Indianapolis. That place apparently is hell just when a Cancun flight comes in. There is the lack of access to the terminal from the barn. And the building lacks a jet bridge. So that means during our lovely winters passengers will have to navigate the stairs. Fun thing to do I'm sure when its 10 degrees outside and the wind is blowing. Just hope it isn't sleeting outside. How do you handle passengers with special needs? Want to be standing behind grandma as she takes 5 minutes to get down the stairs? No thanks.

In one year that new facility opens. It will have proper international arrivals. If with that nobody signs up to run the transatlantic service then we know it was a demand issue and not a facilities issue.
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