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Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:27 pm

This is some interesting news piece about two incedences that came pretty close to a become disasters ..

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/09/runway.safety/index.html#cnnSTCVideo
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:47 pm

If the graphics are a realistic depiction of what actually happened, I'd have been shittin myself if I had been on the American Eagle aircraft landing at SFO!
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:16 pm

Isn't that RJ a 737?
 
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:23 pm

I have always been surprised that runway incursions don't happen more often. It would be so easy to kill close to 600 people by simply moving 2 meters at the wrong time.

Scary stuff...

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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:36 pm

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 2):
Isn't that RJ a 737?

I think it was a ERJ170 operated by Republic for Frontier.
 
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:44 pm

Quoting Ferengi80 (Reply 1):
I'd have been shittin myself if I had been on the American Eagle aircraft landing at SFO!

I thought that the landing plane was a Skywet plane.
 
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:54 pm

The following overshceduled airports are ticking time bombs IMHO:
BOS - very common to see 3 diff runways, each intersecting, used concurrently = distaster waiting to happen
LGA
JFK
EWR
SFO
ORD

Scarily enough, i believe we are on borrowed time...  Sad
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:03 pm

This also shows the importance of both Captain and First Officer crew members maintaining regular if not continuous, peripheral visual checks whilst both on the ground and on short finals.
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:05 pm

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 2):
Isn't that RJ a 737?



Quoting Mcdu (Reply 4):
I think it was a ERJ170 operated by Republic for Frontier.

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Quoting AAFan (Reply 5):
I thought that the landing plane was a Skywet plane.

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The Republic Airlines a/c was an Embraer 170 operating for Frontier as Flight 4912 from SFO to LAX.
The SkyWest a/c was an Embraer 120 Brasilia operating as United Express Flight 5741 from MOD to SFO.
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:05 pm

Ist ORD planning on re-aligning the runways so that this type of stuff cannot happen? Or am I confused?
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:07 pm

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 9):
Ist ORD planning on re-aligning the runways so that this type of stuff cannot happen? Or am I confused?

Yes... ORD will resemble a rotated DFW when complete, though thats 10+ years in the future.
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:12 pm

DCA during rush periods does not have what I would label WONDERFUL seperation, generally around 10 seconds between liftoff and the landing a/c crossing the threshhold. Mind you, during peak rush.
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:36 pm

Was the Skywest EMB-120 on a LAHSO clearance? If so it would be pilot error like the UA/DL incident. Not a sign of a bad ATC system, but a sign of less than vigilant pilots.
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:43 pm

I dont think its a "ticking time bomb". If everyone does there job there isnt an issue.

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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:53 pm

Well I would like to say that I just landed at LAX no more than 2 hours ago from SFO and i survived the "perilous" runway crossings and danger of incursions Big grin but it is something to be concerned about. Could this be due to the fact that more RJ's are in the air? Not a lot of Air Trafic Controllers or a mixture of both?
 
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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:01 pm

Quoting Lrdc9 (Reply 11):
DCA during rush periods does not have what I would label WONDERFUL seperation, generally around 10 seconds between liftoff and the landing a/c crossing the threshhold. Mind you, during peak rush.

In VMC, that's 9 seconds more than you would need !!!

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RE: Runway Incursion News On CNN

Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:08 pm

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 9):
Ist ORD planning on re-aligning the runways so that this type of stuff cannot happen?

If anything, the ORD reconfigurations will result in MORE crossing of runways, which is why the FAA has pushed for end-around taxiways on a couple of the close-in runways. So if anything, it will make runway incursions worse. It's actually fairly uncommon for passenger aircraft to cross an active runway here as compared to some other airports. On most common flows, the ends of 10 and 22L are the only places it routinely happens.
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