Irish Aviation: The Flying 49ers ...

kaitak · Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:27 am

Morning folks and here comes Irish Aviation 49/07 ...

We seem to have rocketed through No. 48 in record time and that without too many major developments. Winter is well and truly in now and with EI now having confirmed that it is axing DXB, fingers crossed that EK will step into the breach.

Pier D is now up and running at DUB; the airport is pretty much a building site now, with all the apron and terminal works, and that's before T2 has started in earnest.

Shannon is still awaiting news from WX on its CDG route; no doubt some heavy haggling there, although FR has increased services and intoduced some new routes; sure why would you want Heathrow when you can fly to Kaunas instead! A second daily SNN-LGW wouldn't go amiss!

All eyes will be looking towards DXB from tomorrow, with a hefty A350 (and A330) order expected from EK; with this and other expected orders (even QF is rumoured), the A350 is gaining credibility and that can only be good for EI.

The axing of DXB was a tough choice and hopefully we'll see this paying off with signifcantly increased traffic (and load factors as well) on US routes next year.

So, here we go again; hold on!

B747forever · Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:11 am

Quoting Kaitak (Thread starter):
fingers crossed that EK will step into the breach.

When can we see EK operating to DUB???

shamrock350 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:22 am

Well it's one month until the new Aer Lingus Belfast base opens and EI22 to AMS departs as the first flight.

Anyone know how bookings are going?

Aer Lingus also has more A320s on the way this month with EI-DVG arriving on the 28th.

OA260 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:06 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 2):
Well it's one month until the new Aer Lingus Belfast base opens and EI22 to AMS departs as the first flight.

Anyone know how bookings are going?

Yep Im on it !!! Looks like I will have the A/C nearly to myself !!! Flights empty !!!!

Fares now reduced yet again to GBP 2 each way !!! Total GBP £ 53 return.

[Edited 2007-11-10 03:09:07]

shamrock350 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:10 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Yep Im on it !!! Looks like I will have the A/C nearly to myself !!! Flights empty !!!!

Well that's not good news, it explains why the fares are so low! It's good for you though, I haven't been on an empty flight in ages.

Hopefully the seats should start filling up, how are other routes doing?

B747forever · Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:26 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 3):
Looks like I will have the A/C nearly to myself !!! Flights empty !!!!

Hmm, it should be pretty full because it is a new route. Maybe a mistake by EI to start to serve AMS from Belfast???

B747forever · Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:30 am

Just a question.:

Do you guys see any advertise from LX??? I see really much adverts.

OA260 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
Hmm, it should be pretty full because it is a new route. Maybe a mistake by EI to start to serve AMS from Belfast???

Early days yet !!! Once the KLM codeshare kicks in then we should see better loads.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 6):
Do you guys see any advertise from LX??? I see really much adverts.

No never !!! I have never seen an LX ad here.

shamrock350 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:34 am

Quoting B747forever (Reply 5):
Hmm, it should be pretty full because it is a new route. Maybe a mistake by EI to start to serve AMS from Belfast???

New routes arent always full and it's not a new route for BFS, U2 already serve AMS. I noticed that U2 fares are also very low, there's little difference between the fares.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
Once the KLM codeshare kicks in then we should see better loads.

That's good, I thought they were only having a codeshare with BA because I havent seen anything on the KLM or Aer Lingus website.

[Edited 2007-11-10 03:38:16]

OA260 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:45 am

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 8):
That's good, I thought they were only having a codeshare with BA because I havent seen anything on the KLM or Aer Lingus website.

Neither codeshares have been set up for sale yet!!! They want to get their Ass in gear. People are booking for Spring and Summer already !!! Why do they have to do things half assed???

B747forever · Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:46 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
Once the KLM codeshare kicks in then we should see better loads.

That is maybe the reason.

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 8):
U2 already serve AMS.

Didn't know that.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 7):
No never !!! I have never seen an LX ad here.

Okey. I can see really much LX ad.

shamrock350 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:50 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Neither codeshares have been set up for sale yet!!! They want to get their Ass in gear. People are booking for Spring and Summer already !!! Why do they have to do things half assed???

They have taken a very long time, I heard the BA codeshares will be ready for sale by December.

EISHN · Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:57 am

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
Why do they have to do things half assed???

Sure, ti's the Irish way!

B747forever · Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:04 pm

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 11):
I heard the BA codeshares will be ready for sale by December.

They should fix it to this month. It is not good when it take so long time for EI to get a codeshare. They could have much more bookings now.

shamrock604 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:14 pm

With reference to [email protected]'s exclusion from A.net for the foreseable future (well, at least he cant post, but i'm sure he is still reading), I strongly feel we should try to resist speaking about Ryanair or indeed any other Irish carrier and be the complete embodiment of what he terms "the Aer Lingus Fan club".

Lets all tell of our best and most cherished Aer Lingus memories......, happy and satisfied in the knowledge that he cant post back.... ha ha!!!!

[Edited 2007-11-10 06:15:35]

OA260 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:19 pm

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 14):
Lets all tell of our best and most cherished Aer Lingus memories......, happy and satisfied in the knowledge that he cant post back.... ha ha!!!!

Oh your a bad boy LOL....... just remember when he does get back ''revenge is sweet'' LOL...... I have to say though I dont like seeing anyone banned but it was obviously done for a reason but I will take the high road and welcome him back when he gets out of jail.

AER LINGUS - IRELAND'S FAVOURITE AIRLINE

shamrock604 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:29 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
just remember when he does get back ''revenge is sweet'' LOL

Indeed OA... Knowing [email protected] as I do, revenge will be, just as with Ryanair, Swift and Brutal.

Today, however, is our day and we have much to seek revenge on ourselves!!!

AER LINGUS.COM - IRELAND'S REAL NATIONAL AIRLINE

AER LINGUS.COM - MORE CLASS. WAY BETTER Smile

OA260 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:42 pm

You know the one thing I wish DAA would do is show Gate info on their Arrivals/Departures board!!! Frankfurt and Athens do it and its handy. Also if you want to check your own gate before you get to the airport its a good feature.

shamrock604 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:48 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 17):
You know the one thing I wish DAA would do is show Gate info on their Arrivals/Departures board!!! Frankfurt and Athens do it and its handy. Also if you want to check your own gate before you get to the airport its a good feature.

Yes, would be a nice feature. I reckon though that DUB has too many late gate changes that are a result of the quick turn, low cost model that is prevalent at the airport. Perhaps someone in Ground ops, the POD or handling there could enlighten us if that is true.

What I used to notice at FRA and in Particular at AMS is that flights tend to be at the same gates pretty much day in day out, something you definitely do not see in Dublin.

OA260 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:51 pm

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 18):
FRA and in Particular at AMS is that flights tend to be at the same gates pretty much day in day out, something you definitely do not see in Dublin.

Yeah I guess thats true. DUB is all over the place. Sometimes the EY flight is from Gate B and then another day its C . Same with SK and BA/BD.

I see there is a new series on SKY Channel 253 on Mondays. Its following the day in the life of Monarch Airlines Cabin Crew.

shamrock604 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:01 pm

Yeah, it gets repeated during the week. I had a look yesterday.. I like that check in / gate supervisor at MAN... touch woman. Cant blame her with the incessant complaining she gets though.....

B747forever · Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:00 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 103):
You want to get married ??? lol...

That is true. I want to get married Wink

ac747 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:15 pm

Hi folks. I'm in Dublin on a quick three day trip and have to fly to London Monday morning for the day. I'm booked on FR at 08:10 to Stansted and am wondering if this flight will go from the new gates or what the situation might be? Any body know?
Plus it's my first time using FR's online check in...I guess I can do that and then just show up at the security line up when I arrive at DUB (I will only have a laptop bag with me). Is that the way it works?
BTW, had a lovely flight from YVR to LHR with BA !
Thanks in advance.

shamrock604 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:20 pm

AC,

It's luck of the draw really, FR are spread between Pier A, the temp gates and Pier D at the moment, although as the days go by, more and more flights are going from Pier D.

Stands wont be planned this far ahead, but someone from DAA might know by late tomorrow evening what is planned. Airlines typically send their daily programmes for the next day by about 6pm, and stands are then planned accordingly.

extspotter · Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:21 pm

You can't tell exactly which gates you'll go from as FR operates off lots of different areas of gates in DUB, whereas at STN, they have a whole pier of like 20 gates and 4 more on the middle pier with U2, Jet2 and the like. If you've never been to STN before, you'll notice who are the big boys at the airport just by watching flightops through the big windows.

ac747 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:31 pm

Thanks guys. It's been a long time since I travelled through Stansted (the first time was on a FR 1-11...in Business Class)!
It would be nice to see how the new pier is operating at DUB, but I guess I'll just go to wherever they send me.
Appreciate the help.

kaitak · Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:51 pm

Quoting AC747 (Reply 24):
Thanks guys. It's been a long time since I travelled through Stansted (the first time was on a FR 1-11...in Business Class)!

My God ... Business Class on Ryanair - that is a VERY long time ago!

Enjoy your trip; at least the 738s are a lot quieter than the old One Elevens. My last One Eleven trip was in early 1993, was from Dublin to Toulouse and back. I recall it seemed to take an age for it to get airborne from 28 ...

OA260 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:53 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 102):
On the 11th February I will be 16. Cant wait!!!

Why what is going to be so different between 15 and 16 ??? LOL....... You want to get married ??? lol...

ac747 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:06 pm

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 25):
My God ... Business Class on Ryanair - that is a VERY long time ago!

True!
It must have been '91 or '92. It was the first flight out that morning and I remember being the only passenger in the Business section. Was handed a complimentary glass of champagne (at 6am), orange juice, a warm breakfast and a copy of the Irish Times.
I've actually never met one other person who claims to have flown FR Business. Some people don't even believe they ever had such a service!
One to tell the grand children !?

extspotter · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:09 pm

I wish I was 10 years older. By only really starting to fly after 9-11 I issed the opportunity to fly on all the fabled old planes. I was lucky to even fly on a 732. That was special, even though it was FR!

I would like to go around South America and the Far East on my Gap year (Learning Spanish and Manadrin is useful). Though this, I will be able to fly DC9s and 727s in S.A. and See how bad indonesian aviation is as well as flying on 741/2, MD80, MD90, 732...

flyorski · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:11 pm

Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 27):
See how bad indonesian aviation is as well as flying on 741/2, MD80, MD90, 732...

Just be careful if you do fly with a Indonesian carrier. There is a reason they are banned in the EU.

B747forever · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:13 pm

Quoting AC747 (Reply 24):
the first time was on a FR 1-11...in Business Class)!

Wow, so FR had a Business Class: Didn't know that. Amazing.

Quoting AC747 (Reply 26):
Was handed a complimentary glass of champagne (at 6am), orange juice, a warm breakfast and a copy of the Irish Times.

That was great time with FR. You cant believe it is FR you are talking about. In 15years so much has changed with FR.

Amazing.

shamrock350 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:17 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 29):
Wow, so FR had a Business Class: Didn't know that. Amazing.

Here's the old Ryanair,

extspotter · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:19 pm

WTF was that?

Where is the free seats or we'll give you a free stripper offer?

Where is the we care about the environment, but we care about your penny more schpiel?

extspotter · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:23 pm

RACIST!

Sorry, just slipped out... :p

I thought I was a frequent flier on these threads.

I wish that my thread attracted more attention "Southwest UK Aviation #1" Its been open for 3 days and has had 26 posts including a doublepost by me. Someone thought it ment that WN were setting up over here. What a noob!

B747forever · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:24 pm

Wow, what a video.

Makes me almost cry crying

What times it had to been.

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 32):
Also, very nice to see some Foreign Flags mixed among the Green, White and Orange

Think that you guys has been used to see the blue and yellow flag in the Irish threads. Wink

B747forever · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:26 pm

Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 33):
I wish that my thread attracted more attention "Southwest UK Aviation #1" Its

Will go and look over there now. Lets see what you have in that thread............

ac747 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:26 pm

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 32):
Also, very nice to see some Foreign Flags mixed among the Green, White and Orange

I've spent so much time in Ireland since I was a kid, that it always seems like home to me. I have dual Canadian/Irish citizenship and feel at home in Dublin as much as in Vancouver. By default, I feel more interested in DUB than YVR airports, which I guess is odd!
Anyway, behind the Canadian flag there beats the heart of a half-Irish person!!

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 30):

Now THAT, was very cool to see.

shamrock350 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:28 pm

Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 33):
Someone thought it ment that WN were setting up over here. What a noob!

Can you imagine if they did set up in Europe! Ryanair and Southwest flying across Europe, easyjet wouldn't be too happy.

shamrock604 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:28 pm

Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 33):
I thought I was a frequent flier on these threads.

Indeed you are EXTspotter, infact as I recall you were one of the earlier contributors. Im pretty new to the forum myself actually... Smile

B747forever · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:33 pm

Quoting Shamrock350 (Reply 37):
Ryanair and Southwest flying across Europe, easyjet wouldn't be too happy.

If that would happen, many carriers would go bankrupcty. It would be a disaster.

ac747 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:35 pm

I have to agree with you EXTspotter, some of the other threads are very difficult to get a response from. I was asking about GSM's YVR-DUB service for next Summer in the Canadian thread and got nothing back. I know people have lives and all that and don't always have the time...BUT!
I asked a question earlier today on this thread about an FR flight out of DUB on Monday and got several replies in about ten minutes. Now that's helpful.
I reckon the Irish threads are about the most active and supportive here.

OA260 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:35 pm

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 38):
Indeed you are EXTspotter

Yes you are indeed.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 34):
Think that you guys has been used to see the blue and yellow flag in the Irish threads.

Yes we are very happy to see it !!!

I remember FR had a ticket office near my office in Bond Street,London. I think it was actually in some other building, maybe the Irish Tourist office !!!! Can anyone confirm this ???

ac747 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:39 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 41):
I remember FR had a ticket office near my office in Bond Street,London.

Not sure, but I do remember their office on Dawson Street in Dublin.

B747forever · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:42 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 41):
Yes we are very happy to see it !!!

Thank you so much.

And it is really great to be in this threads.

f1eddie · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:46 pm

Quoting AC747 (Reply 40):
I asked a question earlier today on this thread about an FR flight out of DUB on Monday and got several replies in about ten minutes. Now that's helpful.
I reckon the Irish threads are about the most active and supportive here.

And to think we are all alcoholics in Ireland and spend our time in the pub.....

Dawson ST has some gathering of airlines on it. Sydney had the same idea on one of there streets.

EXTspotter yeah you have been around for a while. I'm nearly on here a year now but did look in a lot before i joined. God time flies. Great to see all the other coloured flags in here alright!!!

OA260 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:50 pm

Quoting AC747 (Reply 43):
Not sure, but I do remember their office on Dawson Street in Dublin.

I remember the first FR timetable I got lol..... It was a mini cardboard printed on all sides oblong in size!!! Blue and white print. Seems like an eternity ago.

ac747 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:51 pm

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 45):
And to think we are all alcoholics in Ireland and spend our time in the pub.....

Hey, pubs have Wi-fi access too, don't they ?!?

B747forever · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:52 pm

Quoting AC747 (Reply 47):
Hey, pubs have Wi-fi access too, don't they ?!?

They have to need Wi-fi access.

ac747 · Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:54 pm

Quoting OA260 (Reply 46):
I remember the first FR timetable I got

That actually rings a bell.
Go further back - I can remember seeing an early Avair timetable printed on one sheet (both sides). I guess they were for their flights to Derry and Blackpool / Isle of Man?

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