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CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:31 am

Just wondering... With all this new Boeing metal CX is buying what are their future expansion plans for N. America? Is ORD or DFW in the picture? I know they will use the 77W to JFk what about LAX? I know they do 3x daily...

What is their plans for Canada or even Europe in the future or are they just looking at frequency vs expansion?

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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:35 am

If you ask me, ORD is just a no-brainer. I still honestly can't believe they don't already fly it. It's a route just begging for AA and/or CX flying, and it would be a winner: the oneworld connections at either end alone would be massive. I wish DFW would happen, and I think it eventually will, but its probably still at least 5-10 years off.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:05 am



Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
If you ask me, ORD is just a no-brainer. I

With what a 77W or a 744? Yeah a Oneworld HUB and direct flight to HKG from ORD... = profit!
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:07 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 2):
Yeah a Oneworld HUB and direct flight to HKG from ORD... = profit!

Agree with you and Joe. Either AA will launch ORD-HKG or CX will announce a DFW or ORD flight.

CX is an awesome company with a great amount of expansion ahead of them.

Great idea for a thread.

  

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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:57 am

I don't think its in CX immediate expansion plans, but I'd be pretty happy if CX flew to Seattle.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:01 am

Aren't the 77W's a 744 replacement?
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:08 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):
What is their plans for Canada or even Europe in the future or are they just looking at frequency vs expansion?

We're still waiting in MAN for a resumption of CX service - the last one departed in 2002. They had intented to start MAN-SVO-HKG earlier this year, but it stalled due to some sort of licensing glitch on the part of the Russian authorities.

So MAN is pretty much in the same basket as ORD.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
If you ask me, ORD is just a no-brainer.


[Edited 2007-11-13 01:08:54]
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:23 am



Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
I wish DFW would happen, and I think it eventually will, but its probably still at least 5-10 years off.

Problem with DFW is that though it's an AA hub, you'd be going back on yourself if you connected from there to most other flights in the US. ORD is much better positioned for US connections.

Like NYC it's 7000nm too.

Maybe as part of a double legged flight.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:24 am



Quoting MainMAN (Reply 6):
So MAN is pretty much in the same basket as ORD.

N. America is not Russia... glitch with what for ORD?
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:32 am



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 8):
glitch with what for ORD?

 confused 
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:04 am



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 8):
glitch with what for ORD?

I was referring to the fact that it's a NO-BRAINER.......nothing to do with Russians, and everything to do with North Americans (so it would seem)  duck 
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:44 pm

Cathay to ORD and DFW are the only new N. American cities I see CX flying to. It could be possible when the new 77W they just ordered start to arrive. They just added the second SFO-HKG flight which I have heard no reports on. It doesn't seem out of line of a possible 4th LAX flight in a few years. But the majority of CX new fleet I imagine will be headed towards the growing regions of India and the Middle East.

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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:16 pm

I think ORD and SEA would be most likely.

ORD however would compete with UA. UA flies 1-2 flights per day.

SEA has no competition. SEA has a six airlines flying to Asia, with two airlines to each ICN, NRT and TPE. HKG would logically make sense. SEA's economy has a heavy Asian influence. However CX flies to YVR, but there probably still is a market. China Airlines, Eva, and Korean all fly to both SEA and YVR.

DFW doesn't make that much sense. Yes there is feed, but feed doesn't make a flight profitable unless there is a large O/D segment. Is Dallas that big of a market to Asia?
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:25 pm



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
ORD however would compete with UA. UA flies 1-2 flights per day.

AA/CX could effortlessly fill that plane profitably - they would have absolutely no problem at all competing with United. The connections alone at both end are absolutely massive, and it would open up tons of new cities along the East Coast to one-stops to HKG, and two-stops to basically everywhere in Asia via the AA/CX codeshare network over HKG. In addition, the enormous AA FF base at ORD would also contribute heavily to filling the plane, as it would be quite an attractive option over connecting through NRT or along the west coast (LAX/SFO).

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
SEA has no competition.

And, I think, no market, either.

I believe most of the traffic from SEA to Asia is going to China and Korea, and what traffic is going to China is going to China, and not Hong Kong. I think Hainan or some airline is starting SEA-PEK next year.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
DFW doesn't make that much sense. Yes there is feed, but feed doesn't make a flight profitable unless there is a large O/D segment. Is Dallas that big of a market to Asia?

There is some O&D. Trade and traffic between DFW/Texas and China is growing extremely rapidly. And, beyond this, longhaul routes can succeed based primarily on connecting traffic. Domestic and shorter-haul routes need more O&D, but longhaul can sustain itself on connections successfully: just look at 75% of Emirates' flights out of DXB.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:34 pm

Cathay does fly to ORD. Or don't freighters count  Smile
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:07 pm



Quoting AS739X (Reply 11):
It doesn't seem out of line of a possible 4th LAX flight in a few years.

perhaps, but with UA bringing its flight back in the short term; and DL possibly resuming its flight in the long term (who knows), not sure if CX would want to dump that much capacity into the market.
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:38 pm

Interesting thing about CX coming into SEA. In the Early 80's CX announced they would fly to SEA as an extension of their HKG-YVR service, but pulled out at the last minute, though I can't remember why.

That being said, both UA and NW have, at various times, tried a SEA-HKG service, but it was a habitual money loser and so did not last. NW was flying 742's on the route, as I recall, and UA was first flying DC-10 30's leased from CP Air, and then switched to 747SP's with the aquisition of Pan Am's pacifc routes.

Now, if CX has a strategy for making the route profitable, it would be a nice addition and I'd love it, but I'm not holding my breath.

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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:00 pm

I would think the CX ORD would make cents (ha ha) for multiple reasons. One, as so many have said, OW connections -- throughout the US and Canada (after of course dealing with getting into the US). Second, major connections into Asia. Third, I can't see CX having a problem getting premium customers to fly them. We need only think about their reputation. In addition, if they could bill the route to ORD continue to (fill in blank) I think they could make a real go.

Just a thought.

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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:12 pm

That's more of an argument for AA to fly DFW-HKG than for CX to fly it. CX already codeshares on AA flights from LAX.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 13):
I believe most of the traffic from SEA to Asia is going to China and Korea, and what traffic is going to China is going to China, and not Hong Kong.

They why are there two airlines flying SEA-TPE? I personally am surprised that two airlines will fly to TPE, but none to HKG. Is TPE that much bigger of a market? UA and NW would struggle to HKG because they have no feed on either end. CX has feed on top of the O/D which will help.
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:14 pm

I've only been stating HKG-ORD since I joined A.net.. biggrin 

That being said, I look to see O8 starting HKG-ORD before CX does...

HKG-MIA would be an interesting route...but it would only be done with a B787/A350 (no -200LR's for CX)....

Now does the O&D warrant it? I don't know..also, I assume MIA offers more AA South America connections than JFK does...again, I don't know if there is a large enough market for HKG-South America.

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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:19 pm

Quoting RJ111 (Reply 7):
Problem with DFW is that though it's an AA hub, you'd be going back on yourself if you connected from there to most other flights in the US. ORD is much better positioned for US connections.

Like NYC it's 7000nm too.

Maybe as part of a double legged flight.

To the west you'd be backtracking, but AA out of LAX or the AS codeshares can get people most places. To the northeast, JFK handles most destinations. Thus, DFW is actually a better choice than ORD as it provides easier connections to the southeast AND to the Latin American/South American destinations that aren't served out of ORD.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
DFW doesn't make that much sense. Yes there is feed, but feed doesn't make a flight profitable unless there is a large O/D segment. Is Dallas that big of a market to Asia?

Perhaps not Dallas proper, but that flight would have feed from Miami north to about Atlanta and west to, oh, DEN perhaps? DFW is a far better place to connect than JFK or LAX. I was amazed that DEN-LAX is a *longer* flight than DEN-DFW! Even within Texas I suspect the feed could make the flight a success. Also, as PHX no longer has *O service to LAX or SFO DFW would provide access to that market as well with less backtracking for those that're *O loyal.

[Edited 2007-11-13 08:39:45]

[Edited 2007-11-13 08:40:59]
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:47 pm

Personally, I think that AA would be a better fit for ORD-HKG despite CX's presence in oneworld and the fact that AA and CX could codeshare on ORD-HKG in a nanosecond. AA has repeatedly stated that they want to grow their presence in Asia with their own metal and not codeshare metal. With NRT, DEL, PVG, and (from 2009) PEK served from ORD on AA silverbirds, I see no reason why AA would not want to serve HKG using their own metal.

Still, the labor troubles brewing between AA and the APA might be an issue preventing AA from starting the route... which might mean that we could be seeing a CX 773ER at ORD sooner than we think.
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:54 pm

Given the demand on a 777 fleet I don't see HKG in their horizon.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:55 pm



Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 15):

Just going by what CX personnel have told me in LA. That loads/Yeild are very good. Now this was not long after United announced flight, so decisions may have changed. And as we know you don't believe an airline till the route is launched. But I will tell you first hand that CX has been discussing it.

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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:57 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 22):
Given the demand on a 777 fleet I don't see HKG in their horizon.

Did you mean AA or CX's 777s? IIRC, AA's widebody fleet (including the 777s) is currently quite underutilized.

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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:11 pm

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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:45 pm



Quoting Bill142 (Reply 5):
Aren't the 77W's a 744 replacement?

They are for expansion. Also replacement for some A 340-300s and all A 340-600s
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:40 pm



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 2):
With what a 77W or a 744?

I'd see CX putting a 777-300ER on that route rather than a 747-400. UA uses a 744 (sometimes a 772) on this route, and if I'm not mistaken, this flight has to be weight restricted on the 744 pretty often has its near the max limit of its range. CX would probably have the same problem; most of their 744's have RR RB211's (some have the PW4056 like UA), which have slightly less range (about 7150nm. compared to nearly 7300 for the PW) than UA's birds. The 77W can fly over 7500nm. with no headwind, so it should theoretically have no problem operating this flight with a full or near-full payload. By the way, ORD-HKG is about 6700nm. without a headwind, which the out of ORD usually has.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:20 pm



Quoting United Airline (Reply 26):
They are for expansion. Also replacement for some A 340-300s and all A 340-600s

Ok since this was finally answered... What routes and when "if you know" would CX expand their trans-pacific ops to N. America? If I recall they have (19) firm 77W? Replacing the (3) leased A340-600's and how many of the A343's?
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:40 pm



Quoting Kanebear (Reply 20):
To the west you'd be backtracking, but AA out of LAX or the AS codeshares can get people most places. To the northeast, JFK handles most destinations. Thus, DFW is actually a better choice than ORD as it provides easier connections to the southeast AND to the Latin American/South American destinations that aren't served out of ORD.

Ok, only because of DFW's greater scheduling however. In reality ATL, DEN, MIA even MCI are shorter via ORD. The only major cities in the US which have a shorter distance to HKG via DFW are IAH and PHX.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:05 pm

I think the thing to remember is that the market to HKG is not necessarily the same as the one to greater China or Taiwan, which would explain why SEA has two carriers to TPE (mainly Taiwanese in the Seattle area, along with business ties) and none to HKG. Obviously, it's only a matter of time before SEA gets a flight to either PEK (on Hainan) or PVG (on FM), but I don't really see a HKG flight happening and especially not from CX.

CX traffic tends to be people either travelling directly to HKG or people making onward connections to points in Southeast Asia (SIN, KUL, CGK, MNL, BKK, etc) or to India and Pakistan. I just don't see the demand for a HKG-SEA flight. As a Hong Konger myself, we as a place have never had the same closeness to the United States that, say, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea do.

Basically, if CX expands in North America, it's most likely ORD. I still think DFW is doubtful, but wouldn't be surprised if it happened. You also have to remember that CX is very conservative with its route planning.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:10 pm



Quoting Commavia (Reply 13):
And, I think, no market, either.

True. With CX's presence in YVR, I doubt they will expand to SEA. The market between HKG and YVR must be much stronger than SEA, witness O8's decision to fly there vs SEA, despite well-established competition.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:23 pm

There is one thing that DFW can accomplish that ORD cannot and that is DFW can serve as a connector from South America to Asia. DFW has a good position to do just that and they have the flight bank to do it as well.

AA would put its numbers on the flight no doubt.

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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:55 pm



Quoting ZONKS (Reply 31):
CX traffic tends to be people either travelling directly to HKG or people making onward connections to points in Southeast Asia (SIN, KUL, CGK, MNL, BKK, etc) or to India and Pakistan. I just don't see the demand for a HKG-SEA flight. As a Hong Konger myself, we as a place have never had the same closeness to the United States that, say, Taiwan, Japan and South Korea do.

NW served SEA-HKG for many years but the 742 they were using was just too big and inefficient for the route, not to mention the lack of connecting feed. CX could be very successful if they used a smaller and more efficient plane (such as the 343 or 777) and focused on marketing to business pax. Part of the problem with the existing flights on KE, OZ, BR, and CI is that they cater heavily to ethnic VFR and low yield connecting pax, and don't offer the best in terms of connectivity to business pax. CX with a daily frequency could help relieve the overloaded NW flights which are filled mainly with business pax.

If CX doesn't come along, I would see NW considering this route again with a 787 - seems like the perfect plane for it.

Quoting Multimark (Reply 32):
True. With CX's presence in YVR, I doubt they will expand to SEA. The market between HKG and YVR must be much stronger than SEA, witness O8's decision to fly there vs SEA, despite well-established competition.

Hongcouver is named that for a reason - a huge wave of immigration in the mid 1990s from HKG to YVR and that continues to drive demand today. However, the two markets are very different - both can support multiple dailies to Europe and Asia. Right now the highest quality SEA-Asia service would be NW in terms of connecting opportunities and frequency. We need another daily carrier that has good connections throughout Asia and I think if CX was smart about their marketing they could do well. Obviously though, I would expect ORD to be a higher priority for them.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:33 pm



Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
I wish DFW would happen, and I think it eventually will, but its probably still at least 5-10 years off.

I hope you're right Commavia, but I hold out hope that it will be sooner than that (or maybe we'll get QF in 1-2 years, followed by CX 2 years later).
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:00 pm



Quoting Ctbarnes (Reply 16):
That being said, both UA and NW have, at various times, tried a SEA-HKG service, but it was a habitual money loser and so did not last. NW was flying 742's on the route, as I recall, and UA was first flying DC-10 30's leased from CP Air, and then switched to 747SP's with the aquisition of Pan Am's pacifc routes.

Not only has the asian population grown substantially since the 90's, CX would also be able to offer feed on both ends (AS in SEA and of course, their hub in HKG). This is an advantage that neither NW or UA had at that time, despite their larger operations out of SEA at the time (which still does not compare to the level AS is at now).
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:15 pm



Quoting BoeingFever777 (Thread starter):

Here is the info I am getting from the "In the know people"

*Chicago- Will happen soon

*Seattle- Not Going to Happen

*Dallas- Not Going to Happen

*Los Angeles- As I was told will see a 4th flight next year

All U.S. flight will be 77W when all is said and done!

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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:22 am

They should fly to IAH. IAH is sooooooooo boring these days!
We all know IAH is the most prestigeous destination out there  Wink
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:22 am



Quoting Multimark (Reply 31):
True. With CX's presence in YVR, I doubt they will expand to SEA. The market between HKG and YVR must be much stronger than SEA, witness O8's decision to fly there vs SEA, despite well-established competition.

Rumour in YVR is that CX will go to thrice daily (up from 17 weekly now).
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:41 am



Quoting AS739X (Reply 36):

All U.S. flight will be 77W when all is said and done!

..that's certainly possible, as CX's Tyler stated their B773ER's are 22%-24% more fuel efficient/seat than their B744's....not to mention, with less seats, there is the possibility of better RASM/yields and more flexibility for pax....
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:53 am



Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 37):
They should fly to IAH. IAH is sooooooooo boring these days!
We all know IAH is the most prestigious destination out there Wink

A definite pipe dream, but I agree they should serve IAH just for the hell of it . CK has to understand that local IAH spotters need something new to gawk at and that should take precedence over such silly matters as profits  cheeky   wink  .

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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:19 am



Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 12):
DFW doesn't make that much sense. Yes there is feed, but feed doesn't make a flight profitable unless there is a large O/D segment. Is Dallas that big of a market to Asia?

The DFW metroplex is home to more than 6 million people. If we took 4% of that for the Asian population we would get 240,000 people more than enough for o/d. In addition all the one stop traffic from the south east and east US along with Latin America traffic CX with an AA codeshare would be a perfect fit.
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:46 am

As Lufti has mentionned, CX already do fly to ORD.

Passenger services to ORD are slated for Spring 2009. This has already been expressed to employees internally.

Other destinations in NA are Mexico City and Miami for the freighters which they are looking into.

The 77Ws will be flying almost exclusively to NA and Asia. We currently have 3 of them and by the end of the year will have 5 of them. By Jan 1st, both daily non-stops to JFK will be flown by the 77W. By 1st Jan YYZ will be daily non-stop and 3x a week all A340s. By April 1st, the daily YYZ non-stop will also be 77W. By the end of next year we will have 10 of them in service to a third NA destination. At the moment it hasn't been announced yet but rumours are for the 2nd daily SFO flight which currently operates with a 744......or, to LAX, either replacing a current flight or an additional (Probably the latter).

We now have 30 77Ws on firm order with a few more options which we will undoubtedly take up. Expect more 77W orders in the works for next year I think.

By 2014 or so, there will be no more A340s of any kind in CX operations and most of NA will be flown by 77Ws on passenger services.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:14 am



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 42):
or, to LAX, either replacing a current flight or an additional (Probably the latter).

Wow, that's amazing.

The level of business CX does to LAX is amazing - not quite QANTAS-level capacity, but still quite impressive. Filling 3x 747s daily to HKG is quite a lot.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:15 am



Quoting YVR1968 (Reply 38):
Rumour in YVR is that CX will go to thrice daily (up from 17 weekly

No rumour, this has already been confirmed by CX in Vancouver.
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:45 am



Quoting Commavia (Reply 43):
The level of business CX does to LAX is amazing - not quite QANTAS-level capacity, but still quite impressive. Filling 3x 747s daily to HKG is quite a lot.

What are actual numbers for CX and QF at LAX for the respected hubs (SYD and HKG)? I'd bet it's very close.

Would love to see CX at DFW!
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:57 am



Quoting FXramper (Reply 45):
What are actual numbers for CX and QF at LAX for the respected hubs (SYD and HKG)? I'd bet it's very close.

QF is more.

CX has 21 744s/week to HKG.

QF is 16x 744 to SYD, 7x 744 to MEL, 5x 744 to BNE, and 7x 744 to AKL (soon to be downgraded to 333, I think).

CX is still massive, though.
 
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:59 am



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 42):
Other destinations in NA are Mexico City and Miami for the freighters which they are looking into.

That's awesome that they might send their freighters to MIA. MIA's been seeing a fair amount of new cargo airlines lately. Hope to see CX decide to join them.
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:48 am



Quoting DYK (Reply 44):
No rumour, this has already been confirmed by CX in Vancouver

With the strong business ties between HKG and YVR and the growing Chinese population and with the excellent connections that CX can now offer through HKG with Dragonair and such, I would not be suprised if CX eventually made the YVR market, 4x or 5x daily in the future. It's already a big capacity growth in the past year. Somedays are now triple daily by CX, Oasis is flying 6x weekly, and Air Canada. I am wondering if AC would increase flights on this sector as well when they get more longer ranged aircrafts than the B767-300ER.
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RE: CX To Expand, N. America?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:11 pm



Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 42):

We now have 30 77Ws on firm order with a few more options which we will undoubtedly take up. Expect more 77W orders in the works for next year I think.

That is a fairly open secret.

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 42):

By 2014 or so, there will be no more A340s of any kind in CX operations and most of NA will be flown by 77Ws on passenger services.

I am sure the 777 fleet office has wishful thinking along those lines, but the first operating lease that will expire on the A340-300 fleet is in 2011, the 346 will go back over a 3 month period next year only after setting up a new direct service to Toronto. To meet expansion, and to replace the 340 fleet (as you are suggesting), CX would need to order over the double the current amount of 777s.

A lot of what happens in the next 5 years is very flexible, and will be driven by a number of things, some of them internal, some macro issues like proposed building of HKG freight terminal and the CA/CX freight hub up north, new city pairs, the state of the industry, etc.

I would not be surprised at all to see A340s still flying beyond 2014, they are the smallest and best aircraft CX has for setting up new long haul city pars and/or frequencies, and since we own a lot of them, they are a lot cheaper to run than a brand new 773ER (unless Boeing gives them away for nothing). If we have an industry downturn (as many are predicting within 3 years), we will delay delivery of some aircraft, and operate more aircraft we own.

The 773ER will not replace the 744 everywhere, if anything some current routes will see an increase in 744 services, up to 4-5 times daily.
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