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Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:26 pm

 
eha
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:40 pm

5 injured reported, the A340-600 for Etihad, hit a concrete wall, the A/C is now with nose up against the wall (10m high), could be heavily damaged...Hope people (9 people on-board) are not seriously injured...saw the A/C when leaving for home...Really weird...

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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:41 pm

Any pics of the 346 nose upagainst the wall?
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:46 pm

Ground test engine run-ups - she must have jumped the chocks. I recall TG having this happen to a nearly new MD11 in BKK and writing off the A300B4 it hit.

Hope she is not too badly damaged. Would be so sad to have two A346 writeoffs in one week!  Sad

Also I'm booked to fly two legs on an EY A346 in December and January, and its probably safe to say she'll be delayed - hope to God I dont get a crappy wet-leased Iberworld A330 or something....
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:54 pm

saw it around 5.45pm local time....it was dark...but could see it was Etihad one. can't say if this major incident can be repaired...one Air France shuttle take-off delayed (although it happened on Airbus site, on the opposite of the airport runways.). I am sure we will know more tomorrow via Airbus communication staff...will be interested to know if the A/C will be put back on ground shortly...does not look too good this way right now....

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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:00 pm

a few more info available (in french) on ladepeche.fr, local newspaper....confirm the A/C seems heavily damaged. 1 guy on ground 9 people on-board involved, including 9 from Etihad airways. A/C (MSN856) was meant to be delivered within 8 days. Happened after 5pm. 80 firefighters on site shortly after, no explosion, no fire...

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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:39 pm

 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:47 pm

This says only 5 were injured.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8SU8OU80&show_article=1

I hope none of the injuries are serious.

[Edited 2007-11-15 11:48:23]
 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:49 pm



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 3):
Would be so sad to have two A346 writeoffs in one week!

Second one they wrote off this week... I assume you are reffering to the IB accident?

Quoting Eha (Reply 5):
Would be so sad to have two A346 writeoffs in one week!

So being that... Is it still in Airbus's or EY hands as far as insurance and who is getting the bill for the damages.
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:59 pm

Are there anymore updates on this with pics please?

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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:00 pm



Quoting Eha (Reply 4):
it was dark...but could see it was Etihad on

Could you tell if the engines were still running ?
 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:01 pm

Sebring's post (no 6) said 3 of the 9 injuries were serious but not life threatening.
 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:12 pm

PICTURE OF THE ACCIDENT:

No more flight deck.
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...thiad-a340600-severely-damage.html

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[Edited 2007-11-15 12:13:16]
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:12 pm

Im glad that the injuries are not serious... Its sad to see such a beauty in a ground accident. I am sure some people are going to get into major trouble because of this. Will Airbus compensate Etihad for the delay in delievery because of the collision?
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:19 pm



Quoting IAD787 (Reply 12):
No more flight deck.
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl....html

Jeezes. The entire front part of the plane is simply gone!
 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:19 pm

I must think of a word that starts with F and end with three other letters. I hope the injured recover soon.

Looks like a complete write-off to me, given the damage to the forward fuselage. Is this something that is covered by insurance?
 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:21 pm

Quoting IAD787 (Reply 12):

Ooooooohhhhhh. That looks really wild.

Does anybody think this can be salvaged? Might be a total write-off, it might have some parts of the fuselage broken.

Airbus' statement:
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...15_industrial_accident_airbus.html

[Edited 2007-11-15 12:26:44]
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:22 pm



Quoting IAD787 (Reply 12):
No more flight deck.
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...thiad-a340600-severely-damage.html

That photo is just sick!
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:24 pm

Thats a real mess. Shame to see such a nice new A/C like this.
 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:26 pm



Quoting Thorben (Reply 16):
Does anybody think this can be salvaged? Might be a total write-off, it might have some parts of the fuselage broken.

Total write-off if I had to guess....... Hope the guys are okay.
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:29 pm

Flightglobal.com has the latest information and pics:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ps-chocks-hits-wall-5-injured.html
 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:33 pm

The other thread title was much more relevant but it seems its been erased so let's all continue here.

Now I know what all those fire trucks were that I saw heading into the site this evening...

Hope the injured recover well. Anyone know waht exactly happened?

Press release is out:

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...15_industrial_accident_airbus.html
 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:33 pm

I can't see the cockpit section anywhere.
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:33 pm



Ouch, that looks *bad*.
 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:35 pm

Two A346 written-off in one week...

It sucks for the A340 dept @ Airbus...

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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:36 pm

Pardon my obviously uninformed speculation -

I'd say thats a write off - cockpit gone and huge inertia forces on the front frames before the wing where it is resting on the jagged concrete. If the frames are warped or bent its all over.

I know they replaced the whole front fuselage section and nose on that E170 a while back and she flew again but this is a much bigger job. One would assume the front gear would have been ripped off or forced up into the bay - the eletronics bay is above that and any damage there would be catastophic I would think.

Very sad.  Sad
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:37 pm



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 24):
Two A346 written-off in one week...

Are we 100% sure that both are written off?

I dont think the IB one is considered w/o yet.

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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:38 pm

Im sure that Airbus can find a replacement for Etihad sometime soon

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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:40 pm



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 25):

I'd say thats a write off - cockpit gone and huge inertia forces on the front frames before the wing where it is resting on the jagged concrete. If the frames are warped or bent its all over.

By the look of it both the left engines would have impacted the wall or floor, and the outer right engine possibly also, plus damage to the tail and possibly compression damage right the way down the fuselage, not jsut to the front portion as you suggest.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 24):
Two A346 written-off in one week...

It sucks for the A340 dept @ Airbus...

Not really, this will be insured and the other A340 write off was by a customer - that will need replacing  Smile
 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:42 pm



Quoting Moo (Reply 23):
Ouch, that looks *bad*.

Yikes  Wow!
After reading the press announcement from Airbus, it seems that everyone survived: thank God. This could have been pretty bad.

Lets hope for a swift recovery for the injured and a fix to make sure this never happens again. Its amazing the power in the engines on that large bird; once spooled up and the plane broke free, there was probably nothing anyone could have done except hold on.

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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:42 pm

This leaves EY short in the rosters until they can find a replacement - no spare A346s floating round so may have to be a wet-lease. I'm going to be seriously upset if I get a charter config Novair A332 or a manky Air Atlanta Icelandic 747 classic LHR-AUH on Boxing day....
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:44 pm



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 30):
This leaves EY short in the rosters until they can find a replacement - no spare A346s floating round so may have to be a wet-lease.

Why a wet lease - this would have no impact on crew so they could dry lease something they already have in their fleet.
 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:45 pm



Quoting Iwok (Reply 29):
Quoting Moo (Reply 23):
Ouch, that looks *bad*.

Yikes
After reading the press announcement from Airbus, it seems that everyone survived: thank God. This could have been pretty bad.

Lets hope for a swift recovery for the injured and a fix to make sure this never happens again. Its amazing the power in the engines on that large bird; once spooled up and the plane broke free, there was probably nothing anyone could have done except hold on.

iwok

Just read you post and realised - there would have been engineers in the cockpit when she jumped the chocks....

F*cking hell.... How scary is that? I hope they got out of the cockpit section before impact.
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:45 pm

I read nose up against wall, but didn't expect to see nose through wall! What a mess.
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:47 pm

Anyway, the plane may be written off, but the people seem to be able to recover. I read the injuries were not life-threatening, I just hope nobody will have permanent physical damage. Planes are nice, but they are things and can be replaced. Human life and health are really important.
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:50 pm



Quoting Moo (Reply 31):
Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 30):
This leaves EY short in the rosters until they can find a replacement - no spare A346s floating round so may have to be a wet-lease.

Why a wet lease - this would have no impact on crew so they could dry lease something they already have in their fleet.

I'm assuming they wouldnt be able to find a spare 77W, A340 or A332 on short notice like this so would have to go for a 747, which they dont have type rated crews for.

Depends I guess - Hadj is over, so loads of 767s available one would assume, and perhaps a charter A330 - although most of those will be busy over the Christmas period I would think. Easy answer would be a 747 though.

I wonder how soon Airbus can replace the airframe given how backed up the A330/340 line is?
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:54 pm

Another pic here:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=300539

Look at the top and see where the Arabic writing is and then see where the fuselage stops in the post-accident pics - thats a good 25-30 feet of fuselage missing - did it drop down the other side of wall or just get stoved in?
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:57 pm

Quoting Moo (Reply 23):
Ouch, that looks *bad*.

Its amazing the power in the engines on that large bird; once spooled up and the plane broke free, there was probably nothing anyone could have done except hold on.[/quote]

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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:59 pm



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 36):
thats a good 25-30 feet of fuselage missing - did it drop down the other side of wall or just get stoved in?

I was wondering the same thing. How close is the building to the plane? Is the forward section inside the buidling, or gone altogether?
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:59 pm



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 36):
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Its in A340 Heaven now, by the look of it  Sad
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:00 pm

http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p217/Thorben81/accident-avion-a340-toulouse-241940.jpg

The front is surely missing. Not really useful to debate whether it is 5 or 8 or 10 meters - it is just gone!
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:01 pm



Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 24):
Two A346 written-off in one week...

Not yet...

Quoting KL808 (Reply 26):
I dont think the IB one is considered w/o yet.

Correct, IB, insurance people are still deciding at UIO today. The Etihad plane seems pretty much a goner though.
 
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:08 pm

ohhhhhhhhhhhh that plane is FUC*ED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn thats going to be expensive to fix
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:11 pm



Quoting Panaman (Reply 42):
ohhhhhhhhhhhh that plane is FUC*ED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn thats going to be expensive to fix

Yeah, like US$210m for a new one.

Still, at least nobody died, although looking at the pics you'd have to say that was a minor miracle.

Can you imagine if this had been an A380? *shudder*
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:11 pm

Is this the 346 in Picture 1292105? It was one of the top pictures yesterday. Sad news.
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:13 pm

Ok, a question.....

Why was a full power run being done facing a blast wall?

Logic dictates the blast wall is to the rear and to the front there is clear space, at least in every run bay or facility I've seen.

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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:15 pm

Yikes! I am amazed that the pilots and engineers survived this. It looks like you can see the tip of the nose protuding from inside the fuselage in one of the pictures. I could be wrong. And also, as pointed out by Thorben, theres a good 10 meters at least that has either crumpled or fallen to the ground.

It looks to me like the aircraft went nose first into the metal structure after hitting the wall, yet the metal structure seems to have stood firm.

I keep my fingers crossed for those injured in the accident.

Quoting ViasaMSY (Reply 44):
Is this the 346 in Picture 1292105? It was one of the top pictures yesterday. Sad news.

I was thinking the same thing.
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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:17 pm

Well at least the engines worked....  duck 

It is sad to yet another A340 accident. I hope that all the injured will recover ASAP. If this is w/o is Airbus insured for such industrial accident?

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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:18 pm

Hi,

In this pic you can see the Etihad A340-600 one month ago:

https://www.airliners.net/open.file/1292105/L/

The aircraft was ready to delivery

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RE: Airbus Ground Test Accident

Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:18 pm

Holy God....

Check out the pic below!

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