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Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:50 pm
by LAXintl
Some good news for Mesa these days.

Quote:
go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger With Tadd Fujikawa and Its $29* 'Thanks a Million!' Fare Sale

HONOLULU, Nov. 14 /PRNewswire/ -- go!, Hawai'i's Low Fare Airline, today flew its 1,000,000th passenger and marked the milestone with a vibrant celebration at Honolulu International Airport. Hawai'i's rising golf star, Tadd Fujikawa, joined go! customers and employees as the Master of Ceremonies. This afternoon the millionth passenger was named onboard go!'s 12:30pm flight from Kona to Honolulu. The recipient, Queenie Ventura Dowsett, of Waimea, Hawai'i, was spectacularly greeted on arrival in Honolulu with a gift of one million go!Miles and a $200 gift certificate to the restaurant of her choice. Queenie remarked afterward, "I love go!, competition is good for Hawai'i and we need go! here." Queenie, a loyal go! customer, is a long time resident and rancher from the Big Island and was in Honolulu to attend the International Waikiki Hula Conference.

"Flying our 1,000,000th customer today is an outstanding and very special milestone for us," said Jonathan Ornstein, Mesa Air Group Chairman and CEO. "go! has received incredible support over the past year and a half as our low fares enabled the friends, families and business people of Hawai'i to travel affordably and more frequently throughout the islands. We look forward to welcoming our next million customers as we continue to serve the people of Hawai'i with our Aloha spirit and market-leading low fares," he continued.

"Flying 1,000,000 passengers in such a short period of time is a testament to the need in Hawai'i for high quality, low cost, interisland transportation," said Joe Bock, go! Chief Marketing Officer. "In addition to our five primary markets, we've recently added the islands of Moloka'i and Lana'i to our go!Express network, operated by Mokulele Airlines, and our passengers can look forward to the further growth of our services throughout Hawai'i," he added.

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...es/prnewswire/LAW22014112007-1.htm

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:30 pm
by HALFA


Quoting Laxintl (Thread starter):
Some good news for Mesa these days.

Why is this good news? They had some bogus celebration and gave away 1,000,000 Go! miles to some poor woman that wont be able to use them this time next year and this is good news for Mesa? They'll be forking over 80 Million dollars soon to HA, they will get hammered in court by AQ next spring, and they will be history in Hawaii very soon. Good riddance.


HALFA

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:39 pm
by B747forever


Quoting HALFA (Reply 1):
Why is this good news?

Because they carried their 1.000.000th passenger.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:56 pm
by LAXintl


Quoting HALFA (Reply 1):
Why is this good news?

Shows that go! has accomplished something in its 15months in the market.

Regardless of your personal feelings about go!, Hawaiian residents and visitors have enjoyed unprecedented fare competition and discounts since go! entry into the market June 2006.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 1):
They had some bogus celebration and gave away 1,000,000 Go! miles to some poor woman that wont be able to use them this time next year and this is good news for Mesa?

As the woman expressed their clearly are many many people whom are extremely thankful for the presence of go! in the market.

go! also took the opportunity in launching "Thanks a Million!" sale in conjunction with its 1,000,000th passenger celebration offering $29 fares for travel thru the end of January.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 1):
They'll be forking over 80 Million dollars soon to HA, they will get hammered in court by AQ next spring, and they will be history in Hawaii very soon.

Hawaiian is not about to get anything soon.

As you know they are working on an appeal which they they will get either directly thru the bankruptcy court or thru the Appellate process. The BK judge has indicated such an appeals trial could very well take 3 years to process. So HA can twiddle its thumbs in the mean time.

Quote:
Good riddance.

Obviously your opinions are tainted by your association with HA.
Why don't you go ask how those 1,000,000 passengers feel about go!?  praise 

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:21 pm
by HALFA


Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
Shows that go! has accomplished something in its 15months in the market

Accomplished something? Go!, despite their predatory pricing in the Hawaii Inter-Island market, has the lowest load factor of the three main carriers here, has the worst on-time performance of the three main carriers here, has seen their stock plummet since they entered service here, and they just had their clock cleaned in court by HA. That's quite an accomplishment.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
As the woman expressed their clearly are many many people whom are extremely thankful for the presence of go! in the market.

If I flew inter island on a regular basis, I would be very happy too. Who wouldn't be? I'd be thrilled to fly round trip to Maui for $2.00 + taxes. But you and the other short term thinkers don't want to see the big picture. The $1.00 fares will come at a steep price if they are allowed to continue. If they are successful and knock AQ out of the market, those $1.00 fares will be looooooooong gone, and you and all of the rest of the Go! praisers will be crying about high fares and no competition, with crappy Go! service on crappy old CRJ's.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
go! also took the opportunity in launching "Thanks a Million!" sale in conjunction with its 1,000,000th passenger celebration offering $29 fares for travel thru the end of January.

Maybe you should go into marketing for Mesa. Or are you already employed with them? Perhaps I'm not the only one with tainted opinions due to my association. For the record, as they always have, HA has matched the $29.00 fares.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
Why don't you go ask how those 1,000,000 passengers feel about go!?

No thanks, I have much better things to do with my time.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:30 pm
by T prop
Here's Mesa's stock quote for today The share holders can't be to happy.

go isn't helping Mesa's bottom line, 1,000,000 pax and no money made yet. How much more of this will the board take before they tell JO to take a hike?

[Edited 2007-11-16 11:34:27]

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:52 pm
by LAXintl
*1

Quoting HALFA (Reply 4):
Or are you already employed with them? Perhaps I'm not the only one with tainted opinions due to my association.

Nope, never have had any business or employment association with Mesa.

I do however feel Mesa plays a important role providing lift for mainline carriers, and if they want to explore other flying such as Hawaii or China, the more power to them.

Quoting T prop (Reply 5):
Here's Mesa's stock quote for today

The entire industry is down along with regional's last few weeks. Many are trading at or enar their 52 week lows.
In addition today many regional's were downgraded by analyst leading to a further drop

For example, here is how others are fairing as of 2:50pm Eastern,
Republic - Down 4.51% today
Skywest - Down 5.23% today
ExpressJet - Down 5.07% today

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:55 pm
by Cubsrule


Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
go! also took the opportunity in launching "Thanks a Million!" sale in conjunction with its 1,000,000th passenger celebration offering $29 fares for travel thru the end of January.

How much money has Go lost? The CASM for a CRJ on segments that short must be north of 20 cents...

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:05 pm
by phxpilot
I am thinking that Laxintl sounds suspiciously like Jonathan Ornstein.  blockhead 

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:19 pm
by HALFA


Quoting Phxpilot (Reply 8):
I am thinking that Laxintl sounds suspiciously like Jonathan Ornstein.

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Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
Nope, never have had any business or employment association with Mesa.

You appear to have some sort of association with Mesa/Go!. Normal people don't place pictures of Go! advertising in their profile on a.net like you did.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:36 pm
by LAXintl


Quoting Phxpilot (Reply 8):
I am thinking that Laxintl sounds suspiciously like Jonathan Ornstein

You're too kind. The man is a wealthy and successful business man.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 9):
You appear to have some sort of association with Mesa/Go!. Normal people don't place pictures of Go! advertising in their profile on a.net like you did.

Nope. Just think what they had done in pretty neat and have greatly benefited travelers flying within the islands, a market I know quite well and have dealt with in the past.

And no, I have no grudges against AQ or HA. Actually think they are good products, just have gotten away with duopoly for far to long before being challenged by a meaningful competitor.

So until SWA or even a legacy mainline carrier comes and set up shop in Hawaii one day, nothing wrong with go! in my eyes as a consumer managing to stir the pot in the sky.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:37 pm
by Cubsrule


Quoting Laxintl (Reply 10):
So until SWA or even a legacy mainline carrier comes and set up shop in Hawaii one day, nothing wrong with go! in my eyes as a consumer managing to stir the pot in the sky.

So you think Go ought to run AQ or HA into the ground with unsustainable fares and then raise prices in the face of reduced competition?

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:49 pm
by LAXintl


Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
So you think Go ought to run AQ or HA into the ground with unsustainable fares and then raise prices in the face of reduced competition?

There have been 101 discussions to date on a.net about this. If AQ or HA go bye'bye -- c'est la vie

Just like how go! sensed an opportunity, someone else can do the same and enter the market. Business is very much a survival of the fittest.

In the mean time however since June 2006, millions of consumers have enjoyed reduced fares on their interisland travel whether on go!, AQ, HA, Islandair etc.. Its definitely been a win for them and saved tens if not if hundred of millions of dollars to the public. So that in my book is that is a huge plus.

Now if Mesa ultimately is found to have gotten sloppy and used illegal practices it will get punished. However even then if they wish to continue running a business offering $9, $19, $29 fares -- good for them -- and thank you as a consumer  Smile

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 8:53 pm
by Cubsrule


Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
In the mean time however since June 2006, millions of consumers have enjoyed reduced fares on their interisland travel whether on go!, AQ, HA, Islandair etc.. Its definitely been a win for them and saved tens if not if hundred of millions of dollars to the public. So that in my book is that is a huge plus.

So let's say AQ and HA go bust in June, 2009 as a result of Go. Go then triples fares. Consumers have saved for three years but then must pay more after... That's a win?

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:05 pm
by aloha73g


Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
In the mean time however since June 2006, millions of consumers have enjoyed reduced fares on their interisland travel whether on go!, AQ, HA, Islandair etc.. Its definitely been a win for them and saved tens if not if hundred of millions of dollars to the public. So that in my book is that is a huge plus.

During the same time HA and AQ and go! have all lost MILLIONS of Dollars....$80,000,000 just for HA. Tjis money could have been used to:

1. Increase employee wages
2. Market flights to Hawai'i and Hawai'i Vacations
3. Buy new aircraft; larger aircraft
4. Add new routes which would increase tourism traffic to Hawai'i

All of the above would benefit Hawai'i much more than cheap interisland fares.

-Aloha!

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:12 pm
by HALFA


Quoting Laxintl (Reply 10):
And no, I have no grudges against AQ or HA.

Your posting history regarding HA says otherwise. You have taken repeated pot shots at HA over the years, and today you are starting a topic in praise of Mesa/Go!, because they gave some woman from Waimea some worthless bonus miles. I'm not convinced you have no vested interest in the survival of Go! other than a general consumer benefit.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 10):
just have gotten away with duopoly for far to long before being challenged by a meaningful competitor.

You act as if HA and AQ were gouging consumers here, and they clearly were not. You should know that as I know you follow their financial reports.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
So you think Go ought to run AQ or HA into the ground with unsustainable fares and then raise prices in the face of reduced competition?

Yes, he does.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
If AQ or HA go bye'bye -- c'est la vie

Nice.

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
Now if Mesa ultimately is found to have gotten sloppy and used illegal practices it will get punished.

They did and they are and will again next spring by AQ, who actually have a more compelling argument than HA had, and HA was given 80+ Million Dollars. AQ's impending financial judgement against Mesa will be the death of Go!, if they aren't gone already.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:15 pm
by FutureFO
There is no money in the market for SA)">YV. Regardless of carrying 1 million passengers. The Board has all ready taken a no confidence vote on JO. And they have no confidence in him. MESA is cancelling Vacations for pilots throught the foreseeable future. They are tanking. No ifs ands or buts about it. GO is a bad experiment to screw the legacy carriers in HI. MESA will pay both HA and AQ in the long run and then declare BK to try and stay alive.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 9:17 pm
by c172pic
Personally, I'm not cool with Virgin America entering the already congested US airline market... mis 2 centavos...

If the beautiful people of Hawaii are getting lower fares, then oh well, that's a crying shame... shame on Go!

El DE

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:16 pm
by itsnotfinals
Go! can certainly be proud to have paid up 60 dollars to each passenger to fly them  Smile

(The breakeven cost for Go! was reported at about 70 dollars per average OW fare)

Let's hope the courts restore moral business practices soon to Hawai'i.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:39 pm
by AirTranTUS


Quoting HALFA (Reply 4):
If they are successful and knock AQ out of the market, those $1.00 fares will be looooooooong gone

Proof? Oh right, that's just speculation.

Why does AQ have a case again? I thought Mesa only looked at HA's finances.

Anyway, boo-hoo there is another carrier in Hawaii, get off your high horse!!

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:51 pm
by LAXintl


Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
Consumers have saved for three years but then must pay more after... That's a win?

Certainly -- for 3 years consumers will have enjoyed added travel options and fares.

If fares would rise too much afterwards, and assuming the market is an efficient one's without barriers for entry some other carrier could smell and opportunity and enter Hawaiian skies.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 15):
You act as if HA and AQ were gouging consumers here, and they clearly were not. You should know that as I know you follow their financial reports.

HA's and AQ's poor financial performance certainly pre-date go!

The fares HA & AQ charged on inter island routes were certainly not "cheap" pre go! particularly when I compare them to an airlines like SWA which offers $39 regularly for even longer stage lenghts here in CA. If we go back in time a bit SWA fares used to actually be $29 even.

The real crux of HA's (and presume AQ's as their financials are private) problem has been a historical one of cost, and a lack of revenue diversity being stuck with pedling in leisure market while paying higher union wage cost base very much comparable to mainline carriers which had significant revenue premiums by the nature of their models.

Quoting HALFA (Reply 15):
They did and they are and will again next spring by AQ,

Its pretty apparent that YV will get an appeal one way or the other, particularly considering the size of the award. There is no guarantee what a future revised award could be or if HA would even prevail in any retrial (particularly if held off the islands as Mesa could request).

Time will tell. But we could be discussing this case for many years to come.


In the mean time, lets enjoy the low fares. Speaking of which I'm waiting for some $9 or $19 fares to be announced for a trip I am planning --- 100times better then trying to non-rev! (probably on AQ as I have since the 80s)

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:52 pm
by aloha73g


Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 19):
Why does AQ have a case again? I thought Mesa only looked at HA's finances.

Mesa also looked at AQ's finances during their bankruptcy. During HA's trial the judge wrote in one of his opinions that Aloha had a stronger case than HA because of the email where someone told JO that go! only made sense if AQ went of business, and that they (Mesa) could give them the last push. Don't forget JO's assertion during a investors conference call that Mesa had the benefit of viewing both AQ and HA's books during their bankruptcies.

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 19):
Anyway, boo-hoo there is another carrier in Hawaii, get off your high horse!!

We have always had other carriers in Hawai'i. Pre go!, Island Air was flourishing, Pacific Wings was expanding, and FlyHawai'i (a Low Cost Startup) was getting ready to launch. The idea that HA and AQ have a monopoly/duopoly, price gouge and collude to harm the traveling public are MYTHS.

-Aloha!

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:03 pm
by AirTranTUS


Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 21):
The idea that HA and AQ have a monopoly/duopoly

I didn't say that, I just don't understand the extreme support for two carriers who seem to me to be average at best.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:32 pm
by Cubsrule


Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
If fares would rise too much afterwards, and assuming the market is an efficient one's without barriers for entry some other carrier could smell and opportunity and enter Hawaiian skies.

Why in the world would you assume that the interisland market is efficient? Most carriers stateside do not have suitable aircraft for interisland operations.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:52 pm
by LAXintl


Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 23):
Why in the world would you assume that the interisland market is efficient? Most carriers stateside do not have suitable aircraft for interisland operations.

Lets see -- SWA, Airtran, Jetblue, most legacies, other regionals like Horizon, Republic, Skywest etc.. could one day show up. They certainly are not held back due lack of aircraft types.

Now if you mean that Hawaii is a difficult place to do business for mainland firms, yes there is some truth to that indeed and not just in the airline field.

Speaking of difficult environment, anyone recall in the late 80s/early 90s UA came extremely close to basing 737-200s on the island to supplement its service to the mainland, Asia and South Pac? As I recall many including the esteemed Hawaii US Senator blew a gaskets afraid this was going to be the end of local airlines.

Also another unique not often unadvertised protectionist fact is that Hawaii carriers to this day are exempt from the Stage-III US noise regulations which took effect in various stages dating back to 1985, again thanks to blocking actions by Hawaii's Congressional delegation whom had the Aviation Safety and Noise Abatement Act written to be applicable only to "operations in the contiguous United States".

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 11:55 pm
by Cubsrule


Quoting Laxintl (Reply 24):
Lets see -- SWA, Airtran, Jetblue, most legacies, other regionals like Horizon, Republic, Skywest etc.. could one day show up. They certainly are not held back due lack of aircraft types.

WN? What would they operate? 2nd and 3rd generation 737s don't do so well on interisland routes...

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:17 am
by N1120A


Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 25):

WN? What would they operate? 2nd and 3rd generation 737s don't do so well on interisland routes...

I am not convinced that this is actually true. While AQ had trouble, WN has run Classic and NG 737s on comparable short hauls for years.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:25 am
by Cubsrule


Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
While AQ had trouble, WN has run Classic and NG 737s on comparable short hauls for years.

It's not exclusively the short hauls, though. 2 things to keep in mind:

1) Hawaii short hauls are shorter than WN short hauls. WN has just a handful of flights under 200 miles (I think it's about 40/day, but I may be wrong). A flight like MDW-DTW, which is fairly short even by WN standards, is longer than every interisland route.

2) The majority of the sub-200 mile routes are in Texas. With the exception of the intra-Florida flying, WN is not doing these short hauls in hot, humid conditions. Those are what really harm the aircraft.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:25 am
by 777ER


Quoting HALFA (Reply 4):
For the record, as they always have, HA has matched the $29.00 fares.

Mostly because if they want to keep their market share then they have to

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 12):
Just like how go! sensed an opportunity, someone else can do the same and enter the market. Business is very much a survival of the fittest.

Totally like the NZ domestic market here. Pacific Blue (DJ) saw the perfect time to start domestic ops between WLG, CHC and AKL and fares have dropped $20 since their announcement to starts ops in August. With their $39 launch fares and then a $9 fare special a few weeks later, it has allowed more people to travel, and that is a good thing as it helps to boost the economy in WLG, CHC and AKL. I know a family who couldn't afford to travel, but when DJ came out with $9 fares, they booked flights to AKL instantly. The same thing has happened in Hawaii, and everyone should be happy that they can save money and take more flights and increase the economys of each Island instead of crying like little babys who have throwen their toys out of their cots!

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 20):
Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
Consumers have saved for three years but then must pay more after... That's a win?

Certainly -- for 3 years consumers will have enjoyed added travel options and fares.

If both HA and AQ go out of business then another airline will step up, like one of the smaller regional airlines. It will always happen in every market

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:28 am
by aloha73g


Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
I am not convinced that this is actually true. While AQ had trouble, WN has run Classic and NG 737s on comparable short hauls for years.

Not really. Find 100nm stage length routes and planes other than 732s and DC9/717 variants that can operate 16 of them reliably and ontime every day. There are few (if any) routes in any airline's network like this. I have not come across any market in the world which is similar to Hawai'i interisland in length and volume of traffic.

-Aloha!

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:28 am
by modesto2


Quoting Laxintl (Reply 6):
I do however feel Mesa plays a important role providing lift for mainline carriers

They also play an important role in the deterioration of the regional airline industry. I don't know another regional that elicits utter hate and distaste as Mesa. Just mentioning the name to any pilot will make him/her cringe. Thanks, Mesa. Thanks, J.O. Thanks for making such valuable contributions towards the race to the bottom. You're still in business, but that's about it. To say that you lack respect in the industry is an understatement.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:35 am
by N1120A


Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 27):


2) The majority of the sub-200 mile routes are in Texas. With the exception of the intra-Florida flying, WN is not doing these short hauls in hot, humid conditions. Those are what really harm the aircraft.

Since when is Texas neither hot nor humid?

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:41 am
by Cubsrule
Quoting N1120A (Reply 31):
Since when is Texas neither hot nor humid?

Ever been to LBB or MAF? Keep in mind too, and I should have probably said this originally, that it's more the ocean air than the humidity that poses the operational problems.

[Edited 2007-11-16 16:42:38]

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:22 am
by HUbsnotDubs


Quoting HALFA (Reply 4):
praisers will be crying about high fares and no competition, with crappy Go! service on crappy old CRJ's.

I flew on Go last July and was impresed with everything including the plane. I know its not a 717 but it beats AQ's 737's that I have been on hands down....and I am not a huge CRJ fan but the plane was clean, everyone friendly and the fare was awesome! Granted I have only flown on AQ intra-island once and it was on this same trip but I was not impressed. I do however fear that this HA lawsuit will spell the end fo go!...thoughts?

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:27 am
by itsnotfinals


Quoting HUbsnotDubs (Reply 33):
I do however fear that this HA lawsuit will spell the end fo go!...thoughts?

The Mesa shareholders want it gone based on the declining share price.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:40 am
by kstatepilot


Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 34):
The Mesa shareholders want it gone based on the declining share price.

But the people of Hawaii do not. When I flew on go! a while back, people said go! was there. Just because HA and AQ have some competition everybody has to cry.

Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 30):
Just mentioning the name to any pilot will make him/her cringe

Who?? I know many pilots that love YV.

But not to get into an argument about YV, good job for go!

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:50 am
by HUbsnotDubs
On a side note if go! does go down where will the CRJ's go? I was under the impression that eariler this year 700's where in the works to be brought out to increase capacity and even the idea of the 900's coming out was being tossed around.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:52 am
by kstatepilot


Quoting HUbsnotDubs (Reply 36):
On a side note if go! does go down where will the CRJ's go?

China. All of the 200's are going over there.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:52 am
by freshlove1


Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 19):
Anyway, boo-hoo there is another carrier in Hawaii, get off your high horse!!

Exactly. When GO! leaves the prices will skyrocket. HA and AQ can't handle compitition besides does anyone really care about HA or AQ? Let them stay out on the islands and leave the real flying to the airlines who don't go run and cry when someone else enters their market. Just imagine if WN went to HI. I bet HA and AQ would yet again run to the judge and cry about the low prices WN is charging. WN could put HA or AQ under in about 3 seconds with their pricing and routes if they enter that market.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 1:53 am
by itsnotfinals


Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 35):
Just because HA and AQ have some competition everybody has to cry.

Sure you can enjoy a cheap ticket, but if everyone goes bankrupt, then what do you do? get on a boat?

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:04 am
by HUbsnotDubs


Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 39):
Sure you can enjoy a cheap ticket, but if everyone goes bankrupt, then what do you do? get on a boat?

C'mon don't be crazy AQ really shouldn't even still be here and if one of the two "legacy hawaiian" carriers do fold its only a matter of time before someone else steps in....one can only imagine the day that WN looks out over the pacific...

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:09 am
by aloha73g


Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 38):
Just imagine if WN went to HI. I bet HA and AQ would yet again run to the judge and cry about the low prices WN is charging. WN could put HA or AQ under in about 3 seconds with their pricing and routes if they enter that market.

WN enters markets which are underserved and over priced. The interisland market was neither before go!

I think most of you would be shocked in that WN's prices would probably be in the range of what AQ and HA charged pre go! ($60-80). The only difference is that WN used to have $39 sales.....AQ and HA usually went for $49 sales (pre go! ofcourse).

Compared to similar routes on the mainland (PDX-SEA, OAK-RNO, DAL-AUS, MCO-FLL, JFK-BUF, ATL-CLT) the pre-go! interisland fares were lower than the fares charged on all of those routes. OMG....AQ and HA must have been UNDERcharging people!!

-Aloha!

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:21 am
by freshlove1


Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 41):
AQ and HA must have been UNDERcharging people!!

I don't believe HA or AQ knows what the definition of that is.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:35 am
by aloha73g


Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 42):
I don't believe HA or AQ knows what the definition of that is.

They must know because people want to compare to the mainland and when comapred to short mainland routes, AQ/HA fares are (were) generally cheaper.

-Aloha!

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:11 am
by HALFA


Quoting Laxintl (Reply 24):
Also another unique not often unadvertised protectionist fact is that Hawaii carriers to this day are exempt from the Stage-III US noise regulations which took effect in various stages dating back to 1985, again thanks to blocking actions by Hawaii's Congressional delegation whom had the Aviation Safety and Noise Abatement Act written to be applicable only to "operations in the contiguous United States".

Absolutely correct and for very good reason. Both HA and AQ are not making huge profits flying inter island, despite what Ornstein and some posters here would like everyone to believe. They never have, and probably never will, and they certainly were not charging outrageous sums of money even pre-Go!. Despite this, they have both provided safe and most importantly, essential air service within the Hawaiian Islands for 78 years. The Stage III noise regulations would have been excessively costly for both carriers and unnecessary, as all of the major airports here in Hawaii have approaches over water, and noise is not a huge problem here. In HA's case, this point is mute. HA flies very quiet 717's.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):
Mostly because if they want to keep their market share then they have to

Uh, yah.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):
Totally like the NZ domestic market here. Pacific Blue (DJ) saw the perfect time to start domestic ops between WLG, CHC and AKL and fares have dropped $20 since their announcement to starts ops in August.

You cannot compare DJ's entrance into the domestic NZ market with what has taken place here in Hawaii. DJ did not have access to secret information about Air New Zealand's finances before they started their operation, they did not use privileged information to inaugurate service there, and further more, their is nothing wrong with an airline such as DJ having a steep fare sale to announce and promote a new service. They aren't having fare sales to drive another established carrier out of business like Go! has done. They are doing it to bring attention to their service and product. Nothing wrong with that.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):
The same thing has happened in Hawaii, and everyone should be happy that they can save money and take more flights and increase the economys of each Island instead of crying like little babys

Again, you are missing the point. Go! entered the market using confidential information obtained while both HA and AQ were in bankruptcy. They were caught cheating, in the process they caused financial harm to both established carriers, and will pay dearly for it. You are another one here that thinks on a short term basis and doesn't look at the big picture. Had Go! been successful, fares would have sky rocketed here.

Quoting Modesto2 (Reply 30):
They also play an important role in the deterioration of the regional airline industry.



Absolutely

Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 35):
But the people of Hawaii do not.

Yes, people here in Hawaii have enjoyed very low fares for over a year now. I can assure you, had Go! been successful in their mission to drive out AQ, they would have immediately raised fares and people here in Hawaii would raise hell!

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 38):
Exactly. When GO! leaves the prices will skyrocket. HA and AQ can't handle compitition besides does anyone really care about HA or AQ?

Very interesting comments. I'm always amused by people here on A.net that bash other airlines yet hide behind anonymous titles, as your profile states "work for major airline". Please tell us, which "major" airline do you work for?
You aren't the only one either. The thread starter states his occupation as "Airline Management". We are all curious, which airlines do you two work for?

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:34 am
by kstatepilot


Quoting HALFA (Reply 44):
Had Go! been successful, fares would have sky rocketed here.

How do you know this? You say all this about being proper, but you have no idea what YV would do in HNL.

Also what is wrong with one airline trying to kick another out? HA and AQ are trying to kick YV out, how come nobody is calling unfair??

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:35 am
by 777ER


Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 39):
Quoting Kstatepilot (Reply 35):
Just because SA)">HA and SA)">AQ have some competition everybody has to cry.

Sure you can enjoy a cheap ticket, but if everyone goes bankrupt, then what do you do? get on a boat?

In June (I think it was) a new Inter Island fast ferry service started with a massive boat which takes vehicles and even offers a Y+ style cabin

Quoting HALFA (Reply 44):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 28):
Totally like the NZ domestic market here. Pacific Blue (DJ) saw the perfect time to start domestic ops between WLG, CHC and AKL and fares have dropped $20 since their announcement to starts ops in August.

You cannot compare DJ's entrance into the domestic NZ market with what has taken place here in Hawaii. DJ did not have access to secret information about Air New Zealand's finances before they started their operation, they did not use privileged information to inaugurate service there, and further more, their is nothing wrong with an airline such as DJ having a steep fare sale to announce and promote a new service. They aren't having fare sales to drive another established carrier out of business like Go! has done. They are doing it to bring attention to their service and product. Nothing wrong with that.

There is also nothing wrong with Go! having sale fares. Its always about survival of the fittest. You just have to re-adjust your business plan to survive. Since Go! can afford several years of running at a loss its because of excellent management at MESA for getting massive profits in the first place to afford it.. The reason airlines enter BK is because of sub standard management, so SA)">HA and SA)">AQ had management in HQ who couldn't maintain a good profit, so HQ and SA)">AQ can only blame themselfs for their financial problems. What Go! is doing is just pure businesses, hell even other business try and force others out, like clothes retailers, WalMart, K-Mart. Yes it might be unfair in your books but its just a way of live so get use to it

Quoting HALFA (Reply 44):
Had Go! been successful, fares would have sky rocketed here.

Had Go! been successful, then another airline would have moved up a few steps, most likly a regional Hawaiian Airline, like Pacific Wings or Island air

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:40 am
by kstatepilot


Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
Since Go! can afford several years of running at a loss its because of excellent management at MESA for getting massive profits in the first place to afford it.

I wouldn't call it "excellent management", but financially wise management.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:32 am
by hawaiian717


Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
In June (I think it was) a new Inter Island fast ferry service started with a massive boat which takes vehicles and even offers a Y+ style cabin

Superferry has spent the last several weeks docked in Honolulu Harbor. A judge just cleared them to start sailing again, but it will be a couple weeks before they do so as they have to ramp their operation back up.

Quoting Freshlove1 (Reply 38):
When GO! leaves the prices will skyrocket.

If Go goes away, fares go up. If Aloha goes away, fares go up. Personally, I'd rather have the airline that isn't in the market based on illegally using their competitors' proprietary information, who doesn't take their supposedly on-administrative-leave CFO on business trips to China, who doesn't have a CEO whose ego is so inflated that he sues people who dare say anything less than nice about him.

Go up, yes. Skyrocket, no? Fares will merely return to a level that makes the flights a sustainable product. Airlines are for profit corporations, not charities.

Quoting HUbsnotDubs (Reply 36):
I was under the impression that eariler this year 700's where in the works to be brought out to increase capacity and even the idea of the 900's coming out was being tossed around.

Lots of talk but this has gone nowhere. And for good reason too, with Go's loads their performance would look even worse with the bigger planes.

Quoting HUbsnotDubs (Reply 33):
I flew on Go last July and was impresed with everything including the plane.

You do know that the planes are only as nice as they are because they're more or less unchanged from the way Independence Air had them? Mesa's native fleet is rather more typical of a CRJ.

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 34):
The Mesa shareholders want it gone based on the declining share price.

I do think the lawsuits will hurt Mesa, but I do think it's the shareholders and/or board of directors that are going to have to force JO's hand before Go is gone.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 26):
While AQ had trouble, WN has run Classic and NG 737s on comparable short hauls for years.

In addition to what everyone else has said, Southwest has the ability to balance out these shorter hauls with longer segments. While Aloha could conceivably do that with the -700s, the scheduling for that would be rather difficult as the interisland service frequencies really require a dedicated fleet and I'm not sure how you'd time it to work in mainland flights.

RE: Go! Celebrates Its 1,000,000th Passenger

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:42 am
by av8rphx
Ok what is with all the pro Mesa folks here? My guess is management trolls or people who have never worked in the airlines. That being said, the judge has said that MAG may now have to post a 98M bond in the HA lawsuit.