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LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 12:39 am

This former Lan Chile is on its way to its last destination, where it will be transformed into a pub. Cheers!


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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 1:05 am

Any info on where the pub will be?
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:14 pm

There's a pub here in Santiago, not too far from the airport, called 'Aeropuerto'. It could be going there, though I'm not sure yet.

Edit: The coordinates of the place are 33°26'26.13"S , 70°50'29.27"W so you can Google-Earth it if you want.

[Edited 2007-11-19 09:17:29]
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:57 pm

They should make great pubs--they seem to do well as restaurants.....  Wink

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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:09 pm

Well this is the end of this B732 CC-CYC. The pub will be located in the South of Santiago (San Bernardo District) and will be called "Charlie -Yanqui"
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:15 pm

Seems to be an ex-ANZ bird:


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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:19 pm

They should bring in one of this aircraft pubs into Ireland.  Wink
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:40 pm

Cool! Will check it out next time I'm in SCL.

Slightly off-topic, but when will the last LA B732 be retired from the fleet?

According to this post, there should be 4 or 5 A318s already in Chile, which I'm guessing will serve as 1-1 replacements for the B732s: LAN First A318 Will Enter Into Service On June 1st (by RJ_Delta May 8 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Will the domestic fleet also have A319s/A320s?
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:42 pm



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Quoting SABE (Reply 7):

According to this post, there should be 4 or 5 A318s already in Chile

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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:48 pm

Will the No Smoking rules still apply after it has been turned into a pub?
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:57 pm



Quoting SABE (Reply 7):
Slightly off-topic, but when will the last LA B732 be retired from the fleet?

LAN will retire the last B737-200Adv by March or April 2008.

Quoting SABE (Reply 7):
there should be 4 or 5 A318s already in Chile, which I'm guessing will serve as 1-1 replacements for the B732s

Actually LAN has in service 3 Airbus A318 CC-CVA, CC-CVB and CC-CVF. During the next day LAN will receive its 4th A318 CC-CVG and the 5th in December.

Comparing with the retirement of the B732, today LAN has seven B732 in service (plus 5 stored or waiting its future with a new owner) and 3 A318.

Quoting SABE (Reply 7):
Will the domestic fleet also have A319s/A320s?

Yes of course, LAN uses all A320s family on domestic routes, according with the demand of each flight. Generally A320 operates in flight with a high demand and the rest with A319 and A318.

In other things but according with the retirement of the B732 and the A318, LAN has decided to maintain the order of the rest A318, receiving the rest 15 A318 during the next year.
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:09 pm



Quoting Csturdiv (Reply 9):
Will the No Smoking rules still apply after it has been turned into a pub?

I guess it will. Smoking rules are pretty strict down here, so, unless they separate the plane in smoking-non-smoking zones (something rather hard considering the 737-200 isn't that big after all), this will be a regular non-smoking 'flight'.  Smile
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:14 pm



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 10):
LAN will retire the last B737-200Adv by March or April 2008.

NOOOO! I plan a LAN run in march/april 2008 ... any chance for an exact date or the last flight?
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:57 pm



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 10):
LAN will retire the last B737-200Adv by March or April 2008.

Thanks for the info. So, once it's all said and done, what will the final breakdown be between 318/319/320/321 for LA?

4M is only operating A320s, right?

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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:56 am

Very interesting that they appear to be towing the 737 on its landing gear. Very cool. Glad to see that's one less bird to go to the scrapper.
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:39 am



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 10):
Actually LAN has in service 3 Airbus A318 CC-CVA, CC-CVB and CC-CVF. During the next day LAN will receive its 4th A318 CC-CVG and the 5th in December.



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 10):
In other things but according with the retirement of the B732 and the A318, LAN has decided to maintain the order of the rest A318, receiving the rest 15 A318 during the next year.

Then all the troubles with CVA and the engines are solved? finally LAN went satisfied with the 318?

Any news about the 340 status? Are there any more to come in known date? Ex AC as well? What about the IFE in CQG?

Gracias!

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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:37 am

Quoting SABE (Reply 13):

Thanks for the info. So, once it's all said and done, what will the final breakdown be between 318/319/320/321 for LA?

A318 x 20
A319 x 22
A320 x 26
A321 x 0

(I think LAN has a very high degree of flexibility to make last-moment adjustments to the mix of planes, I can imagine they swap some A318's for larger frames or introduce the A321 for SCL-LIM, SCL-GRU/GIG and SCL-EZE flights).

Source: Airbus Orders and Deliveries Spreadsheet October 2008

Quoting SABE (Reply 13):
4M is only operating A320s, right?

Yes, domestically and to SCL and GRU. 4M also has the Boeing 767-300ER and is expected to receive more.

[Edited 2007-11-20 00:39:17]
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:16 am



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 16):
A318 x 20
A319 x 22
A320 x 26
A321 x 0

I always thought that LAN could use A321s for the SCL-EZE run and even for longer (thin) routes such as SCL-LIM-CCS or SCL-LIM-BOG. Any chance of that happening?

Also, is it true that LAN is not happy about their A318s?
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:07 am



Quoting Arcano (Reply 15):
What about the IFE in CQG?

Just flew to EZE on COG (pictures of interior will follow!). No IFE in it, as it looks like it has a hybrid interior, more like the new ones in the 767s but with less sophistication and no IFE. I suspect that they just wanted to fit something quickly, and wait until next year for the refitting. In any case, Ricardo should have more info.
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:27 pm

Quoting LH526 (Reply 12):
NOOOO! I plan a LAN run in march/april 2008 ... any chance for an exact date or the last flight?

At this moment there is not an exact date for the last flight. I will try to get this information as soon is possible.

Quoting SABE (Reply 13):
4M is only operating A320s, right?

Yes LAN Argentina operates 5 A320 LV-BET, LV-BFO, LV-BFY, LV- BGI and LV-BHU.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 15):
Then all the troubles with CVA and the engines are solved? finally LAN went satisfied with the 318?

The problems with the PW6000 are finally solved. However LAN are not satisfied 100% with its A318 for two reason: first the engines (now solved) and in the second place the very small cargo compartments forced to LAN to carry less payload than the B732 being a problem specially when there is a full flight.

LAN selected the A318 years ago to replace the B732 in domestic market with a low demand. Now with LASER the domestic and regional market are changed 180 degrees and most of the routes are suffering a high demand.

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 16):
4M also has the Boeing 767-300ER and is expected to receive more

Actually the investment in LAN Argentina are stopped until further advise because there is not guarantees to invest in the Argentinian air market specially with the regulations in the domestic fares, there is not a clear policy from the Government and the conflict between Marsans-Aerolíneas- Argentinian State.

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 16):
I can imagine they swap some A318's for larger frames or introduce the A321 for SCL-LIM, SCL-GRU/GIG and SCL-EZE flights



Quoting Ogre727 (Reply 17):
I always thought that LAN could use A321s for the SCL-EZE run and even for longer (thin) routes such as SCL-LIM-CCS or SCL-LIM-BOG. Any chance of that happening?

The A321 are not considered into LAN fleet because they prefer to put a B767 in short/medium routes with high density to carry more passengers and cargo.

[Edited 2007-11-20 04:36:52]
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 12:33 pm

Quoting Arcano (Reply 15):
Any news about the 340 status? Are there any more to come in known date? Ex AC as well? What about the IFE in CQG?

The rest of the A343 (all ex AC) will be introduced from the next year, no dates at this moment. Actually the CC-CQG has not IFE system   . All A343 will receive new interiors during the next year. Only the CC-CQA has new seats in Economy Class.

[Edited 2007-11-20 04:35:46]
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:12 pm



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 19):
LAN selected the A318 years ago to replace the B732 in domestic market with a low demand. Now with LASER the domestic and regional market are changed 180 degrees and most of the routes are suffering a high demand.

So, why is LAN still taking the A318? I imagine they have the right to convert these orders into A319.

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 19):
Actually the investment in LAN Argentina are stopped until further advise

Thanks for your interesting and highly accurate insight in LAN Airlines as usual RJ_Delta. I understand the reasons for doing so. LAN has a very strong product on the Argentinean market on paper, however I realize it is much harder in practice to turn 4M in a money maker. It is indeed wiser to invest your money somewhere else if you are hindered so much.

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 19):
The A321 are not considered into LAN fleet because they prefer to put a B767 in short/medium routes with high density to carry more passengers and cargo.

Odd. I would think the A321 is a very versatile plane in the LAN fleet; it has crew and MX commonality with the A32S fleet, and A321 can be used on both domestic and international flights. It's easier shifting an A321 around at peak times on SCL-PMC or SCL-PUQ than sending an B763 to these destinations.
Off course the cargo and pax capabilities of the B763 are attractive, but LAN is seriously underusing the long legs of the 763 or routes like SCL-EZE and SCL-GRU (I can understand SCL-LIM is useful for rotating frames throughout the LAN network). You have additional fuel burn as penalty, and you are building up cycles on your long-haul frames pretty fast. I have the impression LAN is filling those planes by fare-dumping anyway; they fill those additional seats by offering very attractive prices. I flew EZE-SCL for a walk-up fare that was hardly more expensive than the web-special fare. This low fare was only available on the A340 flight; reducing the number of seats leads to higher yield. Competition is limited anyway, AF has just left the route and AR is using small 735's that even filled to the brim can't cover even half of the market I reckon. Just my  twocents 
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 1:55 pm



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 21):
So, why is LAN still taking the A318? I imagine they have the right to convert these orders into A319

One option was convert the rest 15 A318 into A319 but probably Airbus can't guarantee the delivery of 15 A319 in one year according with the schedule. In LAN thinks that the A318 could work better in some regional flights with a not great demand and to open nonstop routes to many destinations in Chile or Argentina specially when LAN considers that 70% of its network will be nonstop routes by the end of 2008.
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:19 pm



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 19):
However LAN are not satisfied 100% with its A318 for two reason: first the engines (now solved) and in the second place the very small cargo compartments forced to LAN to carry less payload than the B732 being a problem specially when there is a full flight.

Let us remind here, something you and I have talked a lot about. LAN knew this was going to happen. They knew that the A318 would carry less payload than the 737-200. At the time LAN ordered those planes it didn't matter as the LASER buisness model was not in effect. But with GOL's entrance to the regional market, LAN was forced to improve its route profitability by adding lots of cargo to the mix, something the A318 is not very capable of doing in high density routes.

All in all, the A318s will remain in low density chilean domestic routes and some red-eye low density regional flight, is that right?

Quoting PHKLM (Reply 21):
Odd. I would think the A321 is a very versatile plane in the LAN fleet; it has crew and MX commonality with the A32S fleet, and A321 can be used on both domestic and international flights. It's easier shifting an A321 around at peak times on SCL-PMC or SCL-PUQ than sending an B763 to these destinations.

Actually that doesn't matter, the extra profit that the 767-300/ER provides is much greater than the savings that the commonality the A321 could give. What would you prefer, save a buck or earn a lot more money in cargo?  Smile

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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:50 pm



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 23):
Let us remind here, something you and I have talked a lot about. LAN knew this was going to happen. They knew that the A318 would carry less payload than the 737-200. At the time LAN ordered those planes it didn't matter as the LASER business model was not in effect. But with GOL's entrance to the regional market, LAN was forced to improve its route profitability by adding lots of cargo to the mix, something the A318 is not very capable of doing in high density routes.

Exactly, perfectly explained! There was a mistake in their plans not considering the successful of the LASER model.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 23):
All in all, the A318s will remain in low density chilean domestic routes and some red-eye low density regional flight, is that right?

At this moment yes.
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:33 pm



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 22):
One option was convert the rest 15 A318 into A319 but probably Airbus can't guarantee the delivery of 15 A319 in one year according with the schedule

Why not? They're all built on the XFW production line in the same time frame IMHO.
I've been there last year and it's a very impressive plant. From what I've seen the A318, A319 and A321 don't have to be built in particular order, they just move through the factory at a constant speed (it's a moving production line).
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:54 pm



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 24):
Exactly, perfectly explained! There was a mistake in their plans not considering the successful of the LASER model.

The thing is... was it even planned back when the order was made?  Smile

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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:45 pm

Thank you all for the very informative posts. May I ask what is the LASER model?

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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:51 pm



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 26):
The thing is... was it even planned back when the order was made?

The order for 20 A318 was decided by the end of 2005 and the LASER model was launched in August 2006 and the first A318 was build in November or December 2006 so LAN could be modified it order consider the succesfull 6 six months of LASER.

Quoting SABE (Reply 27):
Thank you all for the very informative posts. May I ask what is the LASER model?

Here is a complete review about LASER model (only in Spanish)

What is LASER?

http://aeroblogs.aeropuertosarg.com....short_haul_pr&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

One year after LASER:

http://aeroblogs.aeropuertosarg.com....forma_de_viaj&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

Business Express Product:

http://aeroblogs.aeropuertosarg.com....su_nuevo_prod&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
 
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RE: LAN 732 Transformed Into A Pub!

Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:31 pm



Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 19):
Actually the investment in LAN Argentina are stopped until further advise because there is not guarantees to invest in the Argentinian air market specially with the regulations in the domestic fares, there is not a clear policy from the Government and the conflict between Marsans-Aerolíneas- Argentinian State.



Quoting PHKLM (Reply 16):
4M also has the Boeing 767-300ER and is expected to receive more

After the elections process in Argentina and the solution of the conflict between Marsans- AR employees- Argentinian State, LAN has decided to send the thirdd 763ER to LAN Argentina after December 10 2007. The aircraft will be CC-CEK and will be the first LAN Argentina B763 with the new Premium Business and Economy Class, also with the premium IFE System.

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