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MIA News For 2008

Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:36 pm

Just some news on airlines at MIA for those interested. Lots of it has been discussed, but here's a complete review of what's going on for 2008 by airline.

AeroGal

Newest airline at MIA. Daily service to Guayaquil begins on 7 December. They will be using a specially configured 737-400 that will seat 136 passenger in a single-class layout with 35" of seat pitch and PTVs at every seat.

Aerolineas Argentinas

Daily A310 service to Buenos Aires is finally here after many delays, though 5w daylight flights to Sao Paulo have been put on hold.

AeroMexico

One additional weekly flight on the Miami-Merida route effective this spring, total 4x weekly 73G.

AeroRepublica

Have applied to begin two daily flights to Miami from Colombia, with Colombia's aviation authorities.

AirTran

Recently began new non-stops Kansas City and resumed non-stops to Baltimore, in addition to Atlanta and Chicago Midway flights.

Alitalia

If the move to the Rome hub becomes reality, daily Miami-Milan service will be replaced with daily Miami-Rome service at the end of March. Until then, they are still accepting bookings on MIA-MXP this summer.

Alitalia Cargo

Launched one weekly MD11 cargo flight to MIA earlier this year. The flight has done so well that the service is now operating at 4w less than eight months after launching: 2w MXP-MIA-MXP and 2w MXP-MIA-ATL-MXP.

American Airlines

Launching on 13 December are new, daily non-stop flights to Barranquilla and Phoenix, both with 737-800s, and new 3x weekly non-stops to Santa Cruz de la Sierra, with 757-200s (this is in addition to daily one-stop service to Santa Cruz via La Paz). Winter ski service to Eagle County, Colorado will operate 3w this year, with a new Monday flight. Another new destination, Antigua in the Leeward Airlines, will begin on 19 November 2008, with five non-stop flights a week.

Also, frequencies increases on 13 December:

MARKET (ADDITION) (TOTAL FREQUENCY)

Bogotá (+1x) (1x AB6, 1x 763, 1x 757) (year-round addition)
Boston (+1x) (5x 757, 1x 772) (seasonal addition)
Chicago (+1x) (8x 757, 1x 763) (year-round addition)
Detroit (+1x) (2x 738) (seasonal addition)
London Heatrow (+1w) (9w 772) (seasonal addition)
Medellin (+1x) (2x 738) (year-round addition)
Montevideo (+2w) (5w 763) (seasonal addition)
Providenciales (+1x) (3x 738) (seasonal addition)
Rio de Janeiro (+5w) (12w 763) (seasonal addition)
Santiago de Chile (+3w) (10w 763) (seasonal addition)
Santiago de Los Caballeros (+4w) (11w 738) (seasonal addition)
Sao Paulo (+5w) (21w 772, 5w 763) (seasonal addition; 01Dec07 through 31Jan08)

Some notable aircraft up-gauges:

Bridgetown: Daily 763 service during peak Carnival period, late February/early March.
Boston: New daily 772 service, year-round.
Panama City: Daily A300 service recently began.
Sao Paulo: Three daily 772 flights all winter long.

American Eagle

New non-stop service on ATRs to Sarasota (new AA destination) and Savannah begins 13 December 2007, with 2x daily to Sarasota and daily to Savannah. Two daily ERJ flights to Tallahassee (another new AA city) start on 2 March 2008. Service to Fayetteville, Arkansas will be retimed to connect with deep South America flights. Service to Indianapolis reduced to 1x daily at the end of February (they need those planes to start TLH from somewhere), but rumor is MIA-IND will become a daily 738 in the summer.

Aviacsa

Had daily MIA-CUN-MTY service in booking systems for a short time earlier this fall, but those plans are on hold again.

Avianca

Service on the MIA-CTG-PEI route becomes daily this winter, year-round.

Avior

Recently added a fourth weekly flight to Miami, non-stop to Barcelona. Still have an application pending with the U.S. DOT to start Miami-Valencia.

Delta Airlines

LaGuardia service ends in mid-December, but JFK service will increase to 2x daily MD88 service. Also, new third daily to Cincinnati this winter, and fourth daily to Tallahassee.

Icaro

Have applied with DOT to fly to Miami from Manta and Quito.

Insel Airways

Recently received US DOT approval to fly to Miami from Curacao. Let's see if it happens...

LTU/Air Berlin

Service to Miami will be daily starting in May 2008. 5w to Düsseldorf, 2w to Munich.

Lufthansa

Six weekly non-stop flights to Düsseldorf start next fall, 26Oct08, A340-300.

Northwest Airlines

Winter schedule is 3x daily each to Detroit and Minneapolis, 1x daily to Memphis.

SAM

A subsidiary of Avianca, they have applied with Colombia's authorities to begin two daily flights to Miami, one each to Barranquilla and Cartagena.

Swiss

Daily Zürich flight is upgraded to a year-round A340-300 on 11Jul08. This also brings back First Class service on the Miami route.

Sun Country

Operating six weekly flights on Miami-Minneapolis this winter: 1x Fr/2x Sa/3x Su.

TAM

MIA-GIG non-stops keep getting pushed back, now looking at July 2008 or so. During June and July they will also operate scheduled non-stops to Fortaleza, Natal, and Recife, as it's a busy travel period for Brazilians to Florida.

TransAero

Announced plans to fly to Miami starting next fall, non-stop from Moscow/DME. Have not applied with DOT yet.

United Airlines

Mainline service returns to the Miami-Dulles route on 13Feb08, 2x daily 733.

US Airways

Saturday non-stops to Pittsburgh just resumed; daily non-stop, year-round service to Las Vegas resumes in December. It had been operating 3-4w for the past year or so.

Varig

No exact date has been set, but service to Miami is tentatively set to resume in early March. Varig will operate two daily flights on the Miami-Sao Paulo route, with a daylight and a redeye. They also are planning to launch non-stops between Miami and Rio de Janeiro around July 2008, also at 2x daily, so, yes, that means four daily Varig flights to Miami.

Virgin America

Unconfirmed rumours are they've started hiring for their MIA station.

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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sat Nov 24, 2007 9:42 pm

Nothing new from Bahamasair either, as they consolidate themselves into a carrier for Bahamians only  Embarrassment
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:18 pm

Thanks, Mark. I have noticed that LAN and BA have moved out of concourse A. When is A-C scheduled to close? Also, is concourse H fully operational?

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Virgin America

Unconfirmed rumours are they've started hiring for their MIA station.

If they start SFO-MIA I may jump on them. Sick and tired of AA's packed flights.

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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):

Thanks for the information.

As a MIA lover, I find it quite interesting.
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sat Nov 24, 2007 10:54 pm

What about Korean? There were rumors about them starting IAH and MIA
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting LVTMB (Reply 2):
Thanks, Mark. I have noticed that LAN and BA have moved out of concourse A. When is A-C scheduled to close? Also, is concourse H fully operational?

A has closed, IIRC. C will close mid-2008, possibly earlier. Even though it's only five gates, AA needs those gates right now because of the closure of A, and they will stretch out keep C open for as long as they can until it needs to be demolished to let construction move forward.

Concourse H is fully operational, except for the new Delta Crown Room Club opening next month.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 4):
What about Korean? There were rumors about them starting IAH and MIA

They weren't rumors. Korean Air's President COO said so himself, but they gave no strict timeline:

http://www.fly2houston.com/0/25615/0/1906D1934/

Their cargo service at MIA, launched last summer, has been doing very well, which will only help MIA-ICN becoming reality. And, FWIW, Korean Air is very good about keeping it's promises. They "announced" service to Las Vegas, Madrid, and Seattle in a similar fashion, nearly two years before each began.

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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Daily Zürich flight is upgraded to a year-round A340-300 on 11Jul08. This also brings back First Class service on the Miami route.

Thats great news . Nice to see the A340 on the MIA route .
 
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Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:25 pm

You can add Cargo operators Tesis and MK/British Global as airlines that have filed to begin B74F
to MIA. Tesis from KHV then ferry out to Quito. MK/British Global from Manston and Prestwick.
What about MaxJet which has announced their intention to start MIA service as well, all though their
route network is under review due to operating losses.
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:27 pm

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 7):
What about MaxJet which has announced their intention to start MIA service as well, all though their
route network is under review due to operating losses.

It was supposed to start in mid-February, but, as you said, they have put their entire network under review. They still plan on launching MIA, though, as their next destination when (or if) they get back on their feet. The capacity that was to go to MIA is going to beefing up their current stations.

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 7):
You can add Cargo operators Tesis and MK/British Global as airlines that have filed to begin B74F
to MIA. Tesis from KHV then ferry out to Quito. MK/British Global from Manston and Prestwick.

Awesome news. Any details on when this should start. A non-stop KHV-MIA cargo light? Sounds very interesting.

MIA has been seeing a nice boost in cargo carriers the past year or so, especially long-haul ones.

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Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:38 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Awesome news. Any details on when this should start. A non-stop KHV-MIA cargo light? Sounds very interesting.

Tesis is taking delivery of some freighters shortly. The routings will be via ANC inbound and then ferry
outbound to UIO.
Yes the cargo market in MIA is one the rise again. I would imagine with weakness of the Dollar, this
will increase for the near future. Factor in the natural link between South Florida and Latin America
and you have a natural link between Asia and Latin America. First China, then KE, I would expect
SQ and/or BR will be looking at the market quite seriously in the next year
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:40 pm



Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 9):
SQ and/or BR will be looking at the market quite seriously in the next year

Hasn't SQ been operating some cargo charters to MIA on/off for the past year or so? Do you know how consistent they've been?
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Sat Nov 24, 2007 11:48 pm

Any news of an AA ASU-MIA flight or AV ASU-BOG-MIA for 2008?
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:24 am



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Hasn't SQ been operating some cargo charters to MIA on/off for the past year or so?

It wouldnt surprise me in the least. SQ has been discussing MIA for over 20years. It is well within their
standard to operate charters into a market for evaluation purposes, then if it proves viable, switch it to
scheduled service. The bilateral between the U.S. and Singapore is open skies for cargo, so they can operate
as many charters as they want.
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:30 am

Mark,

Do you have any info on Arrow Air?. I hear they are in severe financial difficulties and they are
kind of spinning their wheels as to what they need to do to solve the problem. I've heard a
varied spectrum of solutions anything from liquidation to merger to sell-off.
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:07 am

Another news item I forgot to leave off on the first thread is that Air France is now offering daily A320 service between Miami and Port Au Prince, increased from 3x weekly. The service continues on to a combination of Cayenne, Fort de France, Pointe Pitre, and St. Maarten, depending on the day.
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Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:51 pm

MIA-Quayaquil on a 737-400?? Does that airplane have enough range to perform this mission?
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:59 pm

OK, I know the answer is "nothing yet" but have you heard anything about the MIA-LHR daylight flight on AA, Mark?
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:29 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Recently began new non-stops Kansas City and resumed non-stops to Baltimore, in addition to Atlanta and Chicago Midway flights.

Whats the chance of BWI going year round?
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Quoting John (Reply 15):
MIA-Quayaquil on a 737-400?? Does that airplane have enough range to perform this mission?

Yes, especially in the low-density configuration that AeroGal's 734 will be in.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 17):

Whats the chance of BWI going year round?

Both MIA-BWI (daily) and MIA-MCI (weekend) are scheduled to operate year-round.
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:02 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
Hasn't SQ been operating some cargo charters to MIA on/off for the past year or so? Do you know how consistent they've been?

There's little cargo market for SQ on the outbound leg from Miami. The SQ cargo flights were charters 1x every two weeks during the fall last year. There were about 3 charter flights during one or two days in October this year, one of them continued on to Brazil, but that's it.

Surprised so few latin cargo-only airlines are operating to MIA these days. Must be that between Arrow, Centurion and foreign ones like Cielos, Tampa and LAN have latin america covered pretty well, using higher capacity widebodies vs the older narrowbodies that were the staple of MIA cargo planes.

As an example Mexico which has quite a few rreighter airlines none of which fly to MIA. Aerounion has been the only one bur rarely flies to MIA.

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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 19):

As an example Mexico which has quite a few rreighter airlines none of which fly to MIA. Aerounion has been the only one bur rarely flies to MIA.

Estafeta Cargo flies to MIA, IIRC. It's their only U.S. destination.
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Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:18 pm

Yes I forgot about Estafeta but that's about it. Mexico had quite a few airlines flying cargo to Miami years ago and other countries like Colombia have several freighter-onlly airlines that never fly to Miami for whatever reasons.

Transportes Aereos Bolivianos (TAB) Cargo is the latest all-cargo airline flying to Miami, not sure the frequency but it's supposedly scheduled with their recently acquired DC-10.
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:20 pm



Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 7):
You can add Cargo operators Tesis and MK/British Global as airlines that have filed to begin B74F
to MIA. Tesis from KHV then ferry out to Quito



Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 9):
Tesis is taking delivery of some freighters shortly. The routings will be via ANC inbound and then ferry
outbound to UIO.

very interesting... well the flight return from UIO to KHV... or will it send via europe loading perishable cargo... any chance that they will ferry the flight to UIO via CCS with full rights on MIA-CCS leg... this flight could be filled without any problem... but in generally I have big doubs about that they will fill the space from KHV to MIA...
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 22):
very interesting... well the flight return from UIO to KHV... or will it send via europe loading perishable cargo... any chance that they will ferry the flight to UIO via CCS with full rights on MIA-CCS leg... this flight could be filled without any problem... but in generally I have big doubs about that they will fill the space from KHV to MIA...

The Tesis flights will ferry empty to UIO non-stop. They will have no traffic rights on the flights ex-MIA.
Where the flights stop from UIO to KHV has not been specified.
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Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:03 am

I am very excited about the prospect of DME / Moscow flights from Miami. I think it would be a much needed link between Russia/CIS and Florida/ South America.
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Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 21):
Transportes Aereos Bolivianos (TAB) Cargo is the latest all-cargo airline flying to Miami, not sure the frequency but it's supposedly scheduled with their recently acquired DC-10.

and they do a hell of money on the route down to Bolivia from MIA, including many many interline agreements... and very high rates!

Quoting GARUDAROD (Reply 23):
The Tesis flights will ferry empty to UIO non-stop. They will have no traffic rights on the flights ex-MIA.
Where the flights stop from UIO to KHV has not been specified.

well still have my big doubts they will make money on the route... but hey very interesting.!
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
Have applied with DOT to fly to Miami from Manta

There's nada in Manta...especially with Correa wanting to kick the gringo military out of the country. I wonder why Icaro thinks there's a market for Miami-Manta.
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 26):

There's nada in Manta...especially with Correa wanting to kick the gringo military out of the country. I wonder why Icaro thinks there's a market for Miami-Manta.

There's tons of cargo, U.S. military traffic, chemical and tuna industries, a quickly growing tourism industry, and Ecuador's third largest economy outside of GYE and UIO.

IIRC, the plan is to fly Manta-Miami only 1x a week, if Icarao ever even launches Miami. Though the Ecuadorian government is pushing hard for a weekly flight to Miami from Manta for tourism. Regardless, a weekly Miami-Manta flight could probably make a killing just on cargo. Manta is becoming a very important cargo hub for central South America.
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 27):
There's tons of cargo, U.S. military traffic, chemical and tuna industries, a quickly growing tourism industry, and Ecuador's third largest economy outside of GYE and UIO.

That may be so, but the passenger demand between Manta and the entire North America is currently between zero and zilch.
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Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
United Airlines

Mainline service returns to the Miami-Dulles route on 13Feb08, 2x daily 733.

Thanks as always for all your insight!!


Why is UA reinstating mainline service and more importantly, why mainline and not Ted? I'm thinking UA is gradually phasing out Ted, but perhaps there are other reasons for UA's move. Whlie there's too much competition with AA at ORD, I've always thought UA could add more MIA-IAD frequencies and do very well. Any chance we might see UA bring back MIA-SFO or MIA-LAX?
 
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Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 29):
why mainline and not Ted?

Whoever is in charge at UA probably paused his reruns of the Golden Girls long enough to realize that in addition to Blanche, Rose, et al there are actual business people in MIA and making them fly a piece of, albeit orange, [email protected] was probably nothing more than a good way to tell them to fly AAnother airline Yeah sure
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Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 30):
Whoever is in charge at UA probably paused his reruns of the Golden Girls long enough to realize that in addition to Blanche, Rose, et al there are actual business people in MIA and making them fly a piece of, albeit orange, [email protected] was probably nothing more than a good way to tell them to fly AAnother airline

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Yep, there should still be sizeable number of Mileage Plus members from the times when MIA was UA's Latin America gateway. I just hope that we're seeing the integration of Ted into mainline and the eventual death of Ted.

Do you think UA could support additional MIA-IAD frequencies?
 
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Quoting Ualcsr (Reply 31):
Do you think UA could support additional MIA-IAD frequencies?

I've never understood why UA is so thin to anywhere in FL other than MCO, particularly from IAD and less so from ORD. Maybe the routes don't do well because the fare is so low.
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Mon Nov 26, 2007 2:09 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
That may be so, but the passenger demand between Manta and the entire North America is currently between zero and zilch

I don't think your appreciation of the issue is accurate. There is a market for flights from Manta to the US, albeit a small one, but there sure is one. Currently, everyone from Manta and cities nearby who travel to the US drive 3 hours to GYE because they don't have any other option (and they sure represent a decent percentage of total travelers between GYE-US).
Most people that think that all who travel from GYE or UIO are O/D pax, when in reality is not the case. There are a lot of pax that come from all over the country and have to use one or the other. If Icaro has the intention of flying from Manta, is because they have made a study and consider that there is enough to warrant at least a 1x weekly flight, not to mention cargo as MAH4546 stated. Manta currently has developed beyond any expectations, and tourism is soaring. Due to Ecuador-Brazil route plans, the seaport may become Ecuador's #1 in the future, meaning a lot more development on the way. Also, there are plans to open Manta as a hub for asia-south america flights.
If Icaro starts it, it may very well prove to be a very smart move. All I can say is that Manta will be in the international radar in the near future.
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Quoting Atnight (Reply 33):
I don't think your appreciation of the issue is accurate.

All I said is that bookings between Manta and the US currently are pretty much zero, which is true. People may very well be driving to other locations but with up to five daily flights to UIO you'd think you'd at least see *some* bookings between MEC and anywhere in North America. That said, there are many other reasons to believe why MEC-MIA will be a lost cause but that's just my opinion.
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Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:52 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 34):
All I said is that bookings between Manta and the US currently are pretty much zero, which is true. People may very well be driving to other locations but with up to five daily flights to UIO you'd think you'd at least see *some* bookings between MEC and anywhere in North America. That said, there are many other reasons to believe why MEC-MIA will be a lost cause but that's just my opinion.

There is a logical reason why bookings might be zero if you were to look at traffic data. Ecuador's domestic travel market is small and made up of a variety of small, private airlines that lack interlining agreements. What you largely might have are passengers flying from Manta to Quito on one itinerary, and connecting to LAN Ecuador (which only flies to GYE and UIO and is not allowed to carry domestic passengers on UIO-GYE unless they are connecting internationally) and American Airlines flights in Miami on another one.

I doubt the market is at all significant, but I'm sure we are looking at 15-20 passengers a day. Ecuador's third largest economy, large chemical, military, and tuna-processing operations (including Bumble Bee Tuna), and a population that is, on average, the wealthiest in Ecuador.

That being said, the only reason Icaro is looking at MIA-MEC, which would operate MIA-MEC-UIO, is to pick up cargo.
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:03 pm



Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 28):
That may be so, but the passenger demand between Manta and the entire North America is currently between zero and zilch.

Even if this is true right now, Manta is becoming "la ciudade de Moda" (the In / Fashionable city) in Ecuador. Not that it says much but I've met people from Manta here in florida. If Icaro starts the route I'd like to go to Manta in the near future myself. It's cheap, one of the few areas of warm water in the S. American pacific, and not overcrowded. If they do a good advertising campaign in both Manta and Miami beforehand, the flight could do well.

Can someone explain to me what would Icaro lose by operating say a 1x or 2x weekly flight to Miami? If there's little demand can't they just drop it?


Speaking of Ecuador, just noticed two LAN Ecuador flights to Miami actually appeared as "Aerolane" (never seen that before, is this new?) with flight numbers LNE 7602 and LNE 518.
 
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:56 pm



Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 36):
Can someone explain to me what would Icaro lose by operating say a 1x or 2x weekly flight to Miami? If there's little demand can't they just drop it?

They really wouldn't lose out on much. The proposed route is UIO-MCE-MIA, and if the cargo they pick up in Manta can't justify the expense, they would just end the Manta stop.

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 36):
just noticed two LAN Ecuador flights to Miami actually appeared as "Aerolane" (never seen that before, is this new?) with flight numbers LNE 7602 and LNE 518.

LAN Ecuador's full name is "LAN Ecuador Aerolane SA."
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:21 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 35):
There is a logical reason why bookings might be zero if you were to look at traffic data. Ecuador's domestic travel market is small and made up of a variety of small, private airlines that lack interlining agreements.

There are a lot of things wrong with looking at bookings, but even with that in mind there's still close to zero demand. There's some interlining going on, but on a per day basis the total traffic between MEC and the US is less than 0.1.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:28 am

FYI: Ribbon cutting ceremony at MIA on Friday morning at 10.30AM to "officially" open Concourse J.
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:31 am

Aerolineas Argentinas will start Miami-Sao Paulo, after all, assuming they don't change their mind. It was supposed to launch in September, then pushed back to December due to lack of aircraft, then it was canceled, again, because of lack of aircraft (while it was to be a daylight flight and they had a plane to fly the MIA-GRU-EZE daylight; they had no aircraft available to do the EZE-GRU-MIA daylight to arrive in MIA and operate the MIA-EZE redeye) and now it's back on again for March. Though that's around the same time Varig is returning with two daily flights.

And some MIA news stories (in Spanish):

Air Peru to Miami in early 2008, operated by Primaris, 4x weekly to Lima, if it gets off the ground...
http://agenciaorbita.com/index.php?o...ontent&task=view&id=1808&Itemid=59

It will be interesting to see if this gets off the ground. Air Peru has taken the steps to secure aircraft, and that's a good sign.

Government of the Mexican state of Veracruz is hoping to establish flights to Miami...
http://www.elgolfo.info/elgolfo/index/op/noticia/id/24529.html

I can see direct flights to Veracruz in the future as it grows into a more popular east coast beach destination.

Government of the Canary Islands is hoping to establish flights to Miami. Miami has the largest immigrant community form the Canary Islands in the U.S., many of who have come by way of Cuba...
http://actualidad.terra.es/nacional/...lmas_miami_ny_canarias_2076306.htm

While it would be nice, who would fly it? I bet AA could make a killing flying 3-4x weekly 757 service (easily within 757s range), but they just aren't the type to think outside the box like that. There is a significant amount of traffic between the Canary Islands and South America and parts of the Caribbean, especially Caracas and Buenos Aires. However, nowadays it is served with one weekly Santa Barbara flight to Caracas. AA could try to tap into the market.

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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:20 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 40):
There is a significant amount of traffic between the Canary Islands and South America and parts of the Caribbean, especially Caracas and Buenos Aires. However, nowadays it is served with one weekly Santa Barbara flight to Caracas. AA could try to tap into the market.

That would be severely weakened by the fast growing reluctance (if not outright hositlity) for passengers to transit through US if it can be avoided, MIA being the least populare place to have to land on an in-bound intl flight.. In case of CCS it can be avoided as there are flights to Canaries..
 
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Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:03 pm



Quoting CayMan (Reply 41):
That would be severely weakened by the fast growing reluctance (if not outright hositlity) for passengers to transit through US if it can be avoided, MIA being the least populare place to have to land on an in-bound intl flight.. In case of CCS it can be avoided as there are flights to Canaries..

That "fast growing reluctance" is anything but, as transit between Europe and the U.S. to Latin America continues to increase after it's sharp falls after 9/11. And with MIA's new terminal facilities, transferring is becoming a whole lot easier.

I think you should write a letter to AA about this fictional reluctance, because they have built an entire hub out of Latin Americans connecting at MIA, and they don't about it.
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:32 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 39):
FYI: Ribbon cutting ceremony at MIA on Friday morning at 10.30AM to "officially" open Concourse J.

Is the shopping mezzazine and the other components of the terminal not-yet-open finally operational?
 
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RE: MIA News For 2008

Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:37 pm



Quoting OB1504 (Reply 43):
Is the shopping mezzazine and the other components of the terminal not-yet-open finally operational?

Stores and restaurants open independently as they are complete. They are not all complete, and won't be until early 2008. I don't know details of the shopping mezzanine, but I'm quite sure that the major retailers in the terminal like McDonald's, Brookstone, and Hugo Boss, are not open yet.
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