CO Summer 08 Schedule To Europe

LIPZ · Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:40 am

Today CO has updated its long-haul schedule for the next summer season with some interesting changes. Although something might still change, this is likely a pretty much finalized schedule regarding flights to Europe.

NEWARK

CO 70 EWR AMS 764 daily
CO 102 EWR AMS 757 daily
CO 68 EWR ARN 757 daily
CO 104 EWR ATH 764 daily
CO 120 EWR BCN 757 daily
CO 94 EWR BFS 757 daily
CO 26 EWR BHX 757 daily
CO 76 EWR BRS 757 daily
CO 60 EWR BRU 764 daily
CO 56 EWR CDG 777 daily
CO 138 EWR CDG 757 daily
CO 54 EWR CDG 757 daily
CO 110 EWR CGN 757 daily
CO 122 EWR CPH 757 daily
CO 22 EWR DUB 757 daily
CO 126 EWR DUB 757 daily
CO 36 EWR EDI 757 daily
CO 108 EWR EDI 757 daily
CO 40 EWR FCO 777 daily
CO 42 EWR FCO 762 daily
CO 50 EWR FRA EQV daily (3xw 777 4xw 762)
CO 16 EWR GLA 757 daily
CO 80 EWR GVA 764 daily
CO 74 EWR HAM 757 daily
CO 114 EWR LGW 757 daily
CO 116 EWR LGW 757 daily
CO 18 EWR LHR 762 daily
CO 28 EWR LHR 777 daily
CO 64 EWR LIS 757 daily
CO 62 EWR MAD EQV daily (6xw 762 1xw 757)
CO 144 EWR MAD 757 daily
CO 20 EWR MAN 757 daily
CO 100 EWR MAN 757 daily
CO 44 EWR MXP 764 daiy
CO 38 EWR OSL 757 daily
CO 24 EWR SNN 757 daily
CO 96 EWR TXL 757 daily
CO 78 EWR ZRH 762 daily

HOUSTON
CO 58 IAH AMS 762 4xw
CO 46 IAH AMS 764 daily
CO 10 IAH CDG 777 daily
CO 34 IAH LGW 764 daily
CO 4 IAH LHR 777 daily
CO 32 IAH LHR 762 daily

CLEVELAND
CO 134 CLE CDG 757 daily
CO 66 CLE LGW 757 daily

The most important mid-summer '08 vs '07 highlights are (as things stand at the moment) :

EWR-ATH upgrading to 764 from 762
EWR-BRU downgrading to 764 from 777
EWR-DUB (1st flight) change of equipment, 757 instead of 762
EWR-FCO (1st flight) upgrading to 777 from 764
EWR-FRA downgrading from daily 772 to a mix 772/762 service
EWR-GLA downgrading from 10xweek to daily
EWR-LGW downgrading of equipment due to starting of EWR-LHR services
EWR-LHR new route
EWR-LIS (2nd flight) dropped
EWR-MAD (1st flight) downgrading from 764 to 762
CLE-CDG new route
IAH-LGW downgrading of equipment due to starting of IAH-LHR services
IAH-LHR new route

kaitak · Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:43 am

Disappointed to see DUB get two 757s instead of last year's 767/757, but I can see the 767s are being used on the new LHR routes, which "probably" take priority.

There's always 2009!

OA412 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
EWR-ATH upgrading to 764 from 762

Nice to see the upgrade to ATH. Looks like the route is doing well for them.

WesternA318 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:24 am

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
EWR-FCO (1st flight) upgrading to 777 from 764

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
EWR-LHR new route

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
CLE-CDG new route

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
IAH-LHR new route

All VERY beautiful. I assume the addition of the last two 772ERs helped this out? Also, any rumours on what 2009 will bring for CO in Europe?

Osprey88 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:54 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 3):
Also, any rumors on what 2009 will bring for CO in Europe?

Honestly, I am quite surprised that CO didn't try EWR-VCE, seeing as how DL has ATL/JFK-VCE and US has PHL-VCE both with 763ERs and 762ERs. GCM shows EWR-VCE as 4169 miles, which could be done by a 752, but it would have to have severe weight restrictions. On the other hand, they could do it with any 767 as well. Maybe this is a future 787 route?

CALMSP · Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:14 am

i'd like to know what our contingency plan is for our EWR-PVG service is going to be. Confused

justloveplanes · Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:26 am

CO has 20 777's...how many destinations do they have for these (I am guessing the 6 Europe routes plus the IAH Narita and EWR to Narita, Hong Kong, Peking, Dehli and Mumbai)?

It appears a total of 12 routes (6 Europe, 6 Asia and India).

How do these 20 planes fill 12 routes? That's less than 2 planes per route. Looks like they need those 789's pretty bad.

klwright69 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:59 am

Weren't we told that CLE-CDG was a no go? Is that just a seasonal route??

Fly2CHC · Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:06 am

Wow...does any other US carrier have such extensive own-metal coverage in Europe???

Very impressive. Excellent use of their B757s (although perhaps not for the customers).

OA412 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:15 am

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 8):
Wow...does any other US carrier have such extensive own-metal coverage in Europe???

DL is the other US airline with extensive coverage of Europe. In fact, DL is actually larger than CO across the Atlantic and, if I'm not mistaken, offers both more destinations and more flights. Nevertheless, both airlines offer very impressive US-Europe service.

WesternA318 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:19 am

Quoting OA412 (Reply 9):
In fact, DL is actually larger than CO across the Atlantic and, if I'm not mistaken, offers both more destinations and more flights

Not too sure about that, although they are both very close, and Im also wondering, if PA was ever this big in Europe?

calpsafltskeds · Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:44 am

Quoting Osprey88 (Reply 4):
Honestly, I am quite surprised that CO didn't try EWR-VCE, seeing as how DL has ATL/JFK-VCE and US has PHL-VCE both with 763ERs and 762ERs. GCM shows EWR-VCE as 4169 miles, which could be done by a 752, but it would have to have severe weight restrictions. On the other hand, they could do it with any 767 as well. Maybe this is a future 787 route?

First, you have to understand that CO is short of 752 and widebodies and the schedule shows it. Where is this info available and is it final?

But, CGM shows EWR-VIE at 4253, almost 300 miles more than TXL-EWR. However, I don't see why CO doesn't consider flying fly 752 aircraft in the summer to PRG, MUC and VIE. With less headwinds, they could fly with 752 aircraft daily in the summer and switch to something like 5 per week with 762 aircraft in the winter. Two 762's could operate 5 per week to three destinations if you use a Saturday aircraft to provide the 15th weekly frequency with the two units. To release 762 aircraft, CO would need to reduce some markets to less than daily in the off-season and downgrade MAD to 752 aircraft. There sure aren't many widebodies flying on 752 capable routes except BRU (F loads) 1 CDG and 2 LHR.

Of course, there have been big time delays in EWR on many summer days. To minimize the impact on 752 aircraft arriving in EWR, CO should time these flights as early as possible to ovoid as much ATC and thunderstorm delays as possible.

If the 739ER or 738 deliveries are releasing 752 aircraft from domestic, it isn't much as the only added frequencies are CLE-CDG, EWR-LHR/LGW net 1 RT, IAH-LHR/LGW net 1 RT while EWR-LIS loses a flight. That's a net of only 2 roundtirps TATL and only 1 aircraft needed as HNL-NGO will provide a unit..

SESGDL · Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:55 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
Not too sure about that, although they are both very close, and Im also wondering, if PA was ever this big in Europe?

DL does by far actually, (and no PA never had that big a network) here's DL's 08' summer schedule (in same format as posted above):

ATLANTA

DL 38 ATL AMS 764 daily
DL 138 ATL ATH 763 daily
DL 114 ATL BCN 763 daily
DL 124 ATL BRU 763 daily
DL 68 ATL CPH 763 daily
DL 176 ATL DUB 763 daily
DL 24 ATL DUS 763 6xw
DL 14 ATL FRA 763 daily
DL 20 ATL FRA 763 daily
DL 12 ATL LGW 763 daily
DL 58 ATL LGW 763 daily
DL 178 ATL LHR 763 daily
DL 108 ATL MAD 763 daily
DL 64 ATL MAN 764 daily
DL 74 ATL MXP 764 daily
DL 46 ATL SVO 763 daily
DL 130 ATL MUC 763 daily
DL 28 ATL CDG 763 daily
DL 22 ATL CDG 764 daily
DL 62 ATL PRG 763 4xw
DL 70 ATL FCO 763 daily
DL 172 ATL ARN 763 daily
DL 116 ATL STR 763 daily
DL 180 ATL VCE 763 4xw
DL 40 ATL VIE 763 4xw
DL 66 ATL ZRH 763 daily

CINCINNATI

DL 36 CVG LGW 763 daily
DL 44 CVG CDG 763 daily
DL 48 CVG FRA 763 daily
DL 42 CVG AMS 752 daily
DL 32 CVG FCO 763 daily

NEW YORK-JFK

DL 80 JFK AMS 763 daily
DL 132 JFK ATH 763 daily
DL 92 JFK BCN 763 daily
DL 78 JFK TXL 763 daily
DL 140 JFK BRU 752 daily
DL 134 JFK OTP 763 4xw
DL 98 JFK BUD 763 4xw
DL 112 JFK DUB 763 daily
DL 96 JFK EDI 752 daily
DL 106 JFK FRA 752 daily
DL 72 JFK ATH 763 daily
DL 88 JFK KBP 763 4xw
DL 3 JFK LGW 763 daily
DL 5 JFK LHR 763 daily
DL 1 JFK LHR 763 daily
DL 174 JFK LYS 752 4xw
DL 126 JFK MAD 763 daily
DL 162 JFK AGP 752 daily
DL 154 JFK MAN 752 daily
DL 84 JFK MXP 763 daily
DL 30 JFK SVO 763 daily
DL 82 JFK NCE 763 daily
DL 118 JFK CDG 752 daily
DL 54 JFK ORY 752 daily
DL 136 JFK PSA 763 5xw
DL 148 JFK FCO 763 daily
DL 160 JFK FCO 763 daily
DL 102 JFK SNN 752 daily
DL 150 JFK VCE 763 daily

SALT LAKE CITY

DL 170 SLC CDG 763 daily

DL's quite a bit larger than CO over the Atlantic, with 61 flights to CO's 46 daily. DL also serves 35 airports in Europe to CO's 28, though taking out different airports DL serves 33 destinations to CO's 27. Still, both definitely now have the largest Atlantic networks of all American airlines, with DL's being the largest Atlantic network period.

Jeremy

calpsafltskeds · Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:58 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
Quoting OA412 (Reply 9):
In fact, DL is actually larger than CO across the Atlantic and, if I'm not mistaken, offers both more destinations and more flights

Not too sure about that, although they are both very close, and Im also wondering, if PA was ever this big in Europe?

DL has more flights out of ATL and more widebodies, so I think they would win out on ASMs. Maybe CO has more flights and/or more airports served. And DL has several airports in Asia and Africa that do not count as Europe.

WesternA318 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:10 am

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 13):
DL has more flights out of ATL and more widebodies, so I think they would win out on ASMs. Maybe CO has more flights and/or more airports served. And DL has several airports in Asia and Africa that do not count as Europe

I was just going for TATL from the NYC area, lol, I forgot about ATL and CVG, and now SLC. But then youd also have to add in IAH TATLs and the one or two from CLE.

masseybrown · Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:10 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10):
Im also wondering, if PA was ever this big in Europe?

Not in absolute rpm/asm, but at PA's peak, their share of the whole transatlantic market was almost 40%. Neither CO nor DL comes close to that.

OA412 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:46 am

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12):
DL 72 JFK ATH 763 daily

That should read JFK IST Wink

brissedk · Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:00 am

That is two quite impresive schedules!

When will we see DL move in on JFK-CPH? JFK is the 3rd largest destination from CPH not currently being served non-stop by any scheduled carrier according to http://www.cph.dk/cph/go.aspx?MsmGo....470336&query=top+25&hiword=25+top+

Regards,
BJ

ScottishLaddie · Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:12 am

With regards to EDI, talk of daily B764/4x weekly B752, or 2x daily B752 from end of March instead of beginning of May don't appear to have materialised yet. CO109 showing a slightly earlier departure time of 1230 as opposed to 1240 that it's been the past few of years.
I wouldn't be surprised to see furthur changes though.

[Edited 2007-11-25 02:13:06]

dutchjet · Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:20 am

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
Today CO has updated its long-haul schedule for the next summer season with some interesting changes. Although something might still change, this is likely a pretty much finalized schedule regarding flights to Europe.

Good research, but CO's Summer 2008 transatlantic schedule is far from final. CO is not done, just yet, and there are a few announcements to come.....including a few surprises as far as routes and airplanes. CO will continue to update schedules: CO's late winter schedule is still being reviewed and updated at this time, thus, we will see more changes for the Summer 2008 especially when it comes to aircraft allocations which are subject to lots of changes.

Quoting CALMSP (Reply 5):

i'd like to know what our contingency plan is for our EWR-PVG service is going to be.

There is a creative and unexpected solution.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 11):
But, CGM shows EWR-VIE at 4253, almost 300 miles more than TXL-EWR. However, I don't see why CO doesn't consider flying fly 752 aircraft in the summer to PRG, MUC and VIE. With less headwinds, they could fly with 752 aircraft daily in the summer and switch to something like 5 per week with 762 aircraft in the winter

CO really does not want to go beyond 4000 miles with the 752, its an operational headache even during the summer when winds are less of an issue (generally) but Newark weather and ATC issues become more problematic. That being said, we could see an ""exception"" to this rule when new routes for Summer 2008 are announced.

Quoting Klwright69 (Reply 7):
Weren't we told that CLE-CDG was a no go? Is that just a seasonal route??

I guess that you were told wrong. (There was an a.net rumor about this, started by posters that do not think highly of CO....but it was just nonense.) CLE-CDG is certainly a go, and it will be seasonal, at least for the first year of operation.

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 8):
Very impressive. Excellent use of their B757s (although perhaps not for the customers).

Being that the 757s go out filled everyday with satisfied pax, I guess that the 757 is not a problem....isnt it time that we give the 757 across the Atlantic discussion a rest?

Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 18):
I wouldn't be surprised to see furthur changes though

You wont be disappointed.

Fly2CHC · Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:59 am

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 19):
Being that the 757s go out filled everyday with satisfied pax, I guess that the 757 is not a problem....isnt it time that we give the 757 across the Atlantic discussion a rest?

And you are basing this on emperical research I take it? I.e. that these passengers have a higher repurchase intent and propensity to recommend than those on other airlines (after all, this is the true measure of customer satisfaction)?

LIPZ · Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:06 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 19):
we could see an ""exception"" to this rule when new routes for Summer 2008 are announced.

Any rumors about the new routes? I wish CO is at least considering flying to VIE.

dutchjet · Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:06 pm

Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 20):

And you are basing this on emperical research I take it? I.e. that these passengers have a higher repurchase intent and propensity to recommend than those on other airlines (after all, this is the true measure of customer satisfaction)?

Full airplanes, profits, and customer satisfaction ratings, and the like at CO all seem to indicate that flying the 757 on TATL flights is a rather good idea.....especially considering that 757 operations give customers more choice and, in many cases, allow nonstop service to be financially viable and allow pax to avoid connections and hubs. While the a.net crowd is obsessed with widebodies and IFE, real world passengers look for convenience and nonstop flights, thus, 757 TATL services are a very good thing.

dutchjet · Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:08 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 21):
Any rumors about the new routes? I wish CO is at least considering flying to VIE.

I really cant share that info, sorry, there are plans for new routes for Summer 2208. CO has been considering flying to VIE for years.

[Edited 2007-11-25 04:10:15]

DiscoverCSG · Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:41 pm

Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 6):
CO has 20 777's...how many destinations do they have for these (I am guessing the 6 Europe routes plus the IAH Narita and EWR to Narita, Hong Kong, Peking, Dehli and Mumbai)?

EWR-TLV-EWR 2x daily

ContinentalEWR · Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:11 pm

Interesting to see both MXP and FCO upgraded to 764 and 777 from EWR. CO flew the 777's into both cities when they first started operating the 777's and long before they had HKG, PEK, DEL, and BOM, all of which have helped fuel the 777 expansion at CO from 16 to 20 aircraft. That said, I believe CO is seeing the demise of AZ and the end of EWR ops for the troubled Italian carrier, at least as far as the EWR-MXP-EWR route goes. Italy is also a very popular destination so I am not surprised to see it go to larger capacity. Surprised at MAD though. CO has used the 764/777 intermittently there and the 764 to GVA is also a surprise.

worldtraveler · Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:13 pm

note that DL's list does not include any domestic configured 764s operating to Europe for the summer as it has done for the last couple years. DL will still have enough domestic 764s in its fleet to fly the necessary routes for those aircraft (Hawaii) so they could add a couple more 764 domestic configured aircraft flights.

DL also has not fully scheduled its 15 ex-TW 757s.

Between the two aircraft types, DL still has the capability for add'l flights - which is likely since international flights for all carriers are doing well because of the weak dollar which makes the US a favorable place to visit. While it makes international destinations more expensive for Americans, more and more US carrier traffic is VFR related which is less dependent on the dollar.

B747forever · Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:14 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
CO 68 EWR ARN 757 daily

Great to see that CO will go daily to ARN.

Someone83 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:13 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 27):
Great to see that CO will go daily to ARN.

Did they not go daily this summer?

On both CPH and OSL, CO flies daily in th summer and 4x weekly (CPH) and 5x weekly (OSL) in the winter

triley1057 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:14 pm

I assume nothing new is coming from IAH?

brissedk · Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:21 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 28):
On both CPH and OSL, CO flies daily in th summer and 4x weekly (CPH) and 5x weekly (OSL) in the winter

CPH is also 5x weekly during winter. Only wed and sat without service departing CPH.

Regards,
BJ

B747forever · Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:28 pm

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 28):
Did they not go daily this summer?

I cant remember actually.

maybe CO goes daily during the summers and 5x weekly during the winters.

horvik89 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:28 pm

I was just wonderng, CO was seeking to start flights from EWR-DME (moscow) last summer. Then they pushed it back to April 2007, then all went quiet. Now seems like AA is starting the route from JFK. Does anyone have any news on this? Co seems to do great and still remains my Number One Airline Big grin

dutchjet · Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:04 pm

Quoting Horvik89 (Reply 32):
I was just wonderng, CO was seeking to start flights from EWR-DME (moscow) last summer. Then they pushed it back to April 2007, then all went quiet. Now seems like AA is starting the route from JFK. Does anyone have any news on this? Co seems to do great and still remains my Number One Airline

Moscow will start-up just as soon as a 767 is available.

horvik89 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:13 pm

At the moment Moscow is an extremly good oppertunity for CO, especially from IAH due to the oiling industry. The traffic between Moscow and IAH is huge, alot transfer through CDG with AF and FRA with LF, and DL via JFK etc.... Why wont they for example just take a 762 from one of the new LHR routes and add a larger aircraft, wouldnt this seem more logical. If not, when about will a 762 become available?

Confused

calpsafltskeds · Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:14 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 33):
Moscow will start-up just as soon as a 767 is available.

Dutch: Is there at least one 762 tied up in EWR-IAH services that can be released by new 738/739ER deliveries so that EWR-DME or another longer European market can start? Is cargo or maintenance routings required to have the 762 EWR-IAH?

Do you know if that EWR-FRA 4 day 762 and 3 day 772 routing is correct? I've wondered why the second AMS-IAH isn't daily? The IAH-AMS 762 (plus EWR-MAD 1/week) looks like it's being used on EWR-FRA). I think last year all 772 routings were daily. What's up with the other 4 days of the 3 day EWR-FRA 772?

nyskymasters · Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:47 pm

Quoting Horvik89 (Reply 32):
Now seems like AA is starting the route from JFK.

Actually, AA is going to be operating Moscow from Chicago, not JFK.

horvik89 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:50 pm

Really? From ORD? I must have been misinformed... This yet again gives a bigger reason to start flight to DME then. When would a 762 be freed up?

dutchjet · Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:52 pm

Quoting Horvik89 (Reply 34):
At the moment Moscow is an extremly good oppertunity for CO, especially from IAH due to the oiling industry

If launched, Moscow will be served from EWR, not IAH.

Quoting Horvik89 (Reply 34):
Why wont they for example just take a 762 from one of the new LHR routes and add a larger aircraft,

Simple, CO does not have a larger aircraft available for the LHR routes.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 35):
Dutch: Is there at least one 762 tied up in EWR-IAH services that can be released by new 738/739ER deliveries so that EWR-DME or another longer European market can start? Is cargo or maintenance routings required to have the 762 EWR-IAH?

Hi. Its my understanding that one or more 762ER flights are required between EWR and IAH to move cargo, thus a 738/739ER is not the answer here. Also the 762s rotate between the EWR and IAH hubs with respect to the IAH-AMS and IAH-EZE services.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 35):
Do you know if that EWR-FRA 4 day 762 and 3 day 772 routing is correct?

Look for changes here.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 35):
I've wondered why the second AMS-IAH isn't daily?

I have no real answer for you......except that the CO has no plans to operate the second IAH-AMS flight on a daily basis for the Summer 2008 timetable.

Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 35):
What's up with the other 4 days of the 3 day EWR-FRA 772?

There are gaps in the schedule, I hate being cryptic, but all that I can say is that it will make more sense when additional announcements are made.....and the schedule is still a work in progress. From what I have heard, its very likely that the EWR-FRA and EWR-MAD will revert back to 764 service when schedules are finalized....with Madrid using the ""pacific"" configuration aircraft with less biz-first seating.

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Consider that its only November......a lot can and will happen. Keep an eye on the London schedules. Wink

STT757 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:08 pm

Where's the 767-400 from HNL-Nagoya, is that already factored in?

dutchjet · Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:11 pm

Quoting STT757 (Reply 39):
Where's the 767-400 from HNL-Nagoya, is that already factored in?

Its not factored into the on-line schedules as currently posted....look at the schedules posted above, dont see many flights scheduled with the 764 just yet......

STT757 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:41 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 40):
Quoting STT757 (Reply 39):
Where's the 767-400 from HNL-Nagoya, is that already factored in?

Its not factored into the on-line schedules as currently posted....look at the schedules posted above, dont see many flights scheduled with the 764 just yet......

There's another one now, LAX-Honolulu loses the 767-400 in March, goes to a 757-200. So now there are two 767-400s that have been freed up, neither of which has been factored into these '08 Trans-Atlantic schedules yet.

I can see taking the 767-400 off LAX-HNL, as CO can make much more revenue filling those Business First seats on International routes from EWR (compared to the reward and heavily discounted Hawaii vacation travelers). What I don't get is replacing the 767-400 on LAX-HNL with a 757-200, why not the 757-300?

airportugal310 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:02 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter):
EWR-LIS (2nd flight) dropped

This saddens me a just a little bit.
I was hoping that LIS has some more potential, but TP's two daily in the summer (and a flight to OPO ?)and CO's two daily in the summer probably was a little overkill...

note the word "little"

LIPZ · Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:03 pm

Quoting ContinentalEWR (Reply 25):
Interesting to see MXP upgraded to 764 from EWR

If I'm right CO has already operated with 764 to MXP the past summer.

Quoting B747forever (Reply 27):
Great to see that CO will go daily to ARN.

All CO's european destinations are served daily (or more) during the summer, Stockholm as well.

Quoting Horvik89 (Reply 32):
CO was seeking to start flights from EWR-DME (moscow) last summer.

DME has been rumored for years, I wish this will finally come true one day.

One more question on a side note, does not exist a range issue for the 767-400 flying to Athens?

CALMSP · Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:03 pm

is it finally in the schedule now?? this has been known internally for quite some time, as was the LAX-NGO a/c..........I would like to see a 75B and two 738's make up for the w/b loss, as we move so much cargo b/t LAX & HNL. But, of couse, we are not a cargo airline Sad

CALMSP · Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:05 pm

Quoting LIPZ (Reply 43):
One more question on a side note, does not exist a range issue for the 767-400 flying to Athens?

coming out of ATH during the middle of the summer?? Yes!!

L1011Lover · Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:27 pm

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 15):
Not in absolute rpm/asm, but at PA's peak, their share of the whole transatlantic market was almost 40%. Neither CO nor DL comes close to that.

And if you take into account PA's huge intra-Europe and intra-German services combined with their transatlantic operation they definitely had a more extensive European network than both DL and CO.

Best regards

L1011Lover

FlyCaledonian · Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:27 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 38):
Consider that its only November......a lot can and will happen. Keep an eye on the London schedules.

I'm sure there is a chance CO may be able to snatch extra slot pairs, or if bookings are good look at doing something to increase capacity at LHR.

On the DL schedules, the Barcelona flight is DL94 (not 92) and on what days is LYS being served by the 752 from JFK, as it doesn;t appear to be in the online schedules yet?

Mir · Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:49 pm

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 23):
I really cant share that info, sorry, there are plans for new routes for Summer 2208. CO has been considering flying to VIE for years.

By 2208, CO will probably be flying Boeing 949 hypersonic transports on the EWR-VIE route. Travel time: 2 hours. Wink

horvik89 · Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:19 pm

"So now there are two 767-400s that have been freed up"

now as stated that they are freed up, why cant they just add a 764 to the ewr-lhr route instead of the 762. Then put the 762 to the EWR-DME route....?

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