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| Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 19): CO really does not want to go beyond 4000 miles with the 752, its an operational headache even during the summer when winds are less of an issue (generally) but Newark weather and ATC issues become more problematic. That being said, we could see an ""exception"" to this rule when new routes for Summer 2008 are announced. |
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| Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 55): Are there any 773's on the market looking for a new home? |
| Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 15): Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 10): Im also wondering, if PA was ever this big in Europe? Not in absolute rpm/asm, but at PA's peak, their share of the whole transatlantic market was almost 40%. Neither CO nor DL comes close to that. |
| Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 59):
If I recall correctly, TW was the largest US-Europe operator in total capacity for quite a few years. |
| Quoting CALMSP (Reply 45): Quoting LIPZ (Reply 43): One more question on a side note, does not exist a range issue for the 767-400 flying to Athens? coming out of ATH during the middle of the summer?? Yes!! |
| Quoting SESGDL (Reply 12): NEW YORK-JFK DL 80 JFK AMS 763 daily DL 132 JFK ATH 763 daily DL 92 JFK BCN 763 daily DL 78 JFK TXL 763 daily DL 140 JFK BRU 752 daily DL 134 JFK OTP 763 4xw DL 98 JFK BUD 763 4xw DL 112 JFK DUB 763 daily DL 96 JFK EDI 752 daily DL 106 JFK FRA 752 daily DL 72 JFK ATH 763 daily DL 88 JFK KBP 763 4xw DL 3 JFK LGW 763 daily DL 5 JFK LHR 763 daily DL 1 JFK LHR 763 daily DL 174 JFK LYS 752 4xw DL 126 JFK MAD 763 daily DL 162 JFK AGP 752 daily DL 154 JFK MAN 752 daily DL 84 JFK MXP 763 daily DL 30 JFK SVO 763 daily DL 82 JFK NCE 763 daily DL 118 JFK CDG 752 daily DL 54 JFK ORY 752 daily DL 136 JFK PSA 763 5xw DL 148 JFK FCO 763 daily DL 160 JFK FCO 763 daily DL 102 JFK SNN 752 daily DL 150 JFK VCE 763 daily |
| Quoting STT757 (Reply 41): There's another one now, LAX-Honolulu loses the 767-400 in March, goes to a 757-200. So now there are two 767-400s that have been freed up, neither of which has been factored into these '08 Trans-Atlantic schedules yet. I can see taking the 767-400 off LAX-HNL, as CO can make much more revenue filling those Business First seats on International routes from EWR (compared to the reward and heavily discounted Hawaii vacation travelers). What I don't get is replacing the 767-400 on LAX-HNL with a 757-200, why not the 757-300? |
| Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 61): ATH-EWR 4956 What's the runway situation at ATH with 100F temperatures? |
| Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 63): Is the LAX-HNL route going 752 for sure? |
| Quoting STT757 (Reply 41): I can see taking the 767-400 off LAX-HNL, as CO can make much more revenue filling those Business First seats on International routes from EWR (compared to the reward and heavily discounted Hawaii vacation travelers). What I don't get is replacing the 767-400 on LAX-HNL with a 757-200, why not the 757-300? |
| Quoting LIPZ (Thread starter): CO 104 EWR ATH 764 daily |
| Quoting Nuggetsyl (Reply 66): Only the ata aircraft can do it since ours 757-300 do not have etops. I would not be surprised to see cal try to get etops ratings for our 757-300s. Since only the ata birds can do the route, that would create a scheduling nightmare. |
| Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 62): What about Cairo, Amman, Tel Aviv and Istanbul ?? |
| Quoting STT757 (Reply 57): There may be some Leasing companies with early '08 777-300ER delivery slots |
| Quoting FFlyer (Reply 50): Just let the "exception" mean that HEL might still happen! |
| Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 72): It bothers me that IAH-MAD is still not a scheduled flight. CO still hasn't figured out how to take advantage of all that traffic from Latin America that comes into IAH. |
| Quoting ManchesterMAN (Reply 56): What happened to the second BHX flight? Did they have 2 flights this year or was the second flight dropped earlier? |
| Quoting Diesel33 (Reply 58): Anyone with any ideas as to why ship 130 (AVOD in Y) does not fly beyond the UK? Are there some weight issues that prevent it from flying to their more farther destinations? |
| Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 47): On the DL schedules, the Barcelona flight is DL94 (not 92) and on what days is LYS being served by the 752 from JFK, as it doesn;t appear to be in the online schedules yet? |
| Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 46): And if you take into account PA's huge intra-Europe and intra-German services combined with their transatlantic operation they definitely had a more extensive European network than both DL and CO. |
| Quoting LIPZ (Reply 21): Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 19): we could see an ""exception"" to this rule when new routes for Summer 2008 are announced. Any rumors about the new routes? I wish CO is at least considering flying to VIE. |
| Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 22): Full airplanes, profits, and customer satisfaction ratings, and the like at CO all seem to indicate that flying the 757 on TATL flights is a rather good idea.....especially considering that 757 operations give customers more choice and, in many cases, allow nonstop service to be financially viable and allow pax to avoid connections and hubs. While the a.net crowd is obsessed with widebodies and IFE, real world passengers look for convenience and nonstop flights, thus, 757 TATL services are a very good thing. |
| Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 72): It bothers me that IAH-MAD is still not a scheduled flight. CO still hasn't figured out how to take advantage of all that traffic from Latin America that comes into IAH. |
| Quoting B752OS (Reply 76): and I am sure MIA sees a good amount of connectiong pax on their IB and AA MAD flights. |
| Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 73): doing very very well... |
| Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 78): profitable to run a half empty flight to BRS than two full flights to BHX |
Seriously....is there proof of this..I don't think CO would run it daily to BRS if loads were that bad.| Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 69): ith just a mental headcount of routes, DL probably has the advantage in routes outside of Europe but CO might generate more ASMs |
| Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 78): Poor old BHX has got the short straw again as they did have a 2 flight operation then limited days ands then dropped. I suspect that CO would really like to have 2 xBHX but the aircraft is linked to BRS and they must be having a lot of " assistance" on that route so it is more profitable to run a half empty flight to BRS than two full flights to BHX |
| Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 80): Seriously....is there proof of this..I don't think CO would run it daily to BRS if loads were that bad. |
| Quoting BY738 (Reply 81): Its a similar story at GLA and EDI albeit loads are always good from both. DL JFK from EDI will no doubt break the camels back in some form or other though. |
| Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 80): are you figuring in the Express flying to every strip of concrete in Mexico.... |
| Quoting CO787EWR (Reply 53): The EWR-BRU downgrade was expected because CO told us that it would be heading to India once they were allowed to fly there |
| Quoting LO231 (Reply 84):
The CO rep visited our office and told the same thing, they need 777 there more, but BRU hopes for 777 to come back, as it went packed all the time from BRU in the summer. |
| Quoting LO231 (Reply 84): The CO rep visited our office and told the same thing, they need 777 there more, but BRU hopes for 777 to come back, as it went packed all the time from BRU in the summer. |
| Quoting Rdwootty (Reply 78): Poor old BHX has got the short straw again as they did have a 2 flight operation then limited days ands then dropped. I suspect that CO would really like to have 2 xBHX but the aircraft is linked to BRS and they must be having a lot of " assistance" on that route so it is more profitable to run a half empty flight to BRS than two full flights to BHX |
| Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 83): Delta Connection does quite a bit of Mexico service too. Not sure on balance who "wins" that contest. |
| Quoting CODC10 (Reply 88): In terms of daily departures and ASMs, CO is the largest US-based carrier to Mexico. American is also ahead of Delta in most categories to Mexico as well. |
| Quoting RedEye (Reply 90): CO is definitely #1 in total destinations. |
| Quoting RedEye (Reply 90): I think AA is still #1 to Mexico in terms of ASMs (someone please correct me if I'm wrong - but I think the #s have been posted before proving it), due to mostly mainline heavy frequency, but CO is definitely #1 in total destinations. |
| Quoting Panamair (Reply 75): Quoting L1011Lover (Reply 46): And if you take into account PA's huge intra-Europe and intra-German services combined with their transatlantic operation they definitely had a more extensive European network than both DL and CO. Pan Am never had as many daily nonstops between the US and Europe as DL and CO currently do. PA did fly bigger planes so maybe from an ASM perspective it could be close. However, PA did serve more cities in Europe than either DL or CO currently do, especially since PA did use its IGS operation out of TXL to many smaller cities such as Kiel, Dortmund, Westerland/Sylt, Hanover, Strasbourg, in addition to the usual HAM, STR, FRA, NUE, MUC, etc. |
| Quoting ScottishLaddie (Reply 82): It's not true BRS loads are normally pretty healthy, certainly not half empty. |
| Quoting CALPSAFltSkeds (Reply 63): Is the LAX-HNL route going 752 for sure? PC timetable doesn't show it. If that happens HNL goes from a 767 maintenance base to one with a trhu flight and 3 turns per day with the longest being 4:30 and the other two turns under three hours. How would that affect the 764 that rotates thru GUM for GUM-NRT (2 roundtrips)? |
| Quoting CODC10 (Reply 88): In terms of daily departures and ASMs, CO is the largest US-based carrier to Mexico. American is also ahead of Delta in most categories to Mexico as well. |
| Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 83): The reality is that DL is a larger airline overall and serves more cities worldwide - largely driven by its domestic system. In terms of total international system traffic, CO and DL are very close to the same size for the year to date. Based on next summer's schedule, DL should pass CO. Depending on what CO does with its 787s and depending on how many more 777s DL buys (recent exec comments are that they want more than the 8 on order but they are not interested in the 787 for now), CO and DL could flip flop back and forth in total international size for the next several years - probably to be ended only by consolidation in the industry. |
| Quoting ThePalauan (Reply 96): Although I feel nuts for suggesting it, I say take that one 767 for NRT, return it to CO for Europe service and have 2-4 752s make their way back here. That way, we can probably add some flights to HNL, augment Japan routes, and maybe even return to Noumea! Then again, that's just wishful thinking on my part |
| Quoting ThePalauan (Reply 96): Although I feel nuts for suggesting it, I say take that one 767 for NRT, return it to CO for Europe service and have 2-4 752s make their way back here. That way, we can probably add some flights to HNL, augment Japan routes, and maybe even return to Noumea! Then again, that's just wishful thinking on my part. |
